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Written by sc_griffith@awful.systems on 2025-01-27 at 20:32

elon musk's obsession with the tic tac toe of video games

https://awful.systems/post/3388357

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Written by L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works on 2025-01-27 at 22:05

There is a concept I was once taught through a very long winded story about a master and his pupils, but thankfully the great Bruce Lee summarized it: “Before I learned the art, a punch was just a punch and a kick was just a kick. After I learned the art, a punch was no longer just a punch and a kick was more than simply a kick. Now that I understand the art, a punch is just a punch - a kick is just a kick.”

One becomes a beginner when they can see the thing. You become a novice martial artist when you can differentiate a punch from a person’s arms flailing around.

One becomes an expert when they can define the thing. When they can lock down what a punch is, and can systematically separate it from other things that aren’t it.

One becomes a master when they can intuit the thing. When you can use, identify, and understand the thing no matter what shape or form it takes.

One becomes enlightened when they can apply their specific masteries as generalization. When they have mastered the art of mastery itself.

Elon is certainly an expert. He can describe things. He can define things. He can reframe things into contexts that he understands. He’s so tantalizingly close to seeing the truth, but is so far away from even comprehending how to begin connecting the dots.

I see where he is coming from regarding gaming and economics or organizational tactics. I have played many games at a competitive level, and a select few at a professional level. I know what he’s trying to get at because I was very similar when I was like ~20 and didn’t realize that the art of mastery of goes so far beyond anything an expert could fathom. I am by no means a master, but I see the trap of expertise and… maaaaannn… It’s just so disappointing to see people in positions of power get stuck running in circles and holding everyone else back.

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Written by Snot Flickerman on 2025-01-27 at 22:09

One becomes a beginner when they can see the thing. You become a novice martial artist when you can differentiate a punch from a person’s arms flailing around.

One becomes an expert when they can define the thing. When they can lock down what a punch is, and can systematically separate it from other things that aren’t it.

One becomes a master when they can intuit the thing. When you can use, identify, and understand the thing no matter what shape or form it takes.

One becomes enlightened when they can apply their specific masteries as generalization. When they have mastered the art of mastery itself.

Thank you for sharing that concept, that’s really good and I will keep that for future reference. It’s a quality way to describe beginner to mastery and the difference at each stage.

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Written by froztbyte@awful.systems on 2025-01-28 at 01:58

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuhari for the specific concept in japanese martial arts (and sometimes applied elsewhere too)

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Written by sc_griffith@awful.systems on 2025-01-28 at 00:21

Elon is certainly an expert. He can describe things. He can define things.

I don’t know what context you are referring to, but I don’t think Elon is an expert at anything

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Written by L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works on 2025-01-28 at 01:08

I am referring to the context in which it was written and defined above, and also inheriting the concepts laid down from the original post regarding the p2w mobile game that he clearly has achieved some level of expertise in.

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Written by sc_griffith@awful.systems on 2025-01-28 at 01:26

it isn’t a p2w mobile game and I see no reason to believe he’s achieved any level of expertise in it

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Written by corbin@awful.systems on 2025-01-28 at 17:07

Elon is an Expert Beginner: he has become proficient in executing the basics of the craft by sheer repetition, but failed to develop meaningful generalizations.

The original Expert Beginner concept was defined here in terms of the Dreyfus model, but I think it’s compatible with Lee’s model as well. In your wording of Lee’s model, one becomes an Expert Beginner when their intuition is specialized for seeing the thing; they have seen so many punches that now everything looks like a punch and must be treated like a punch, but don’t worry, I’m a punch expert, I’ve seen so many punches, I definitely know what to do when punches are involved.

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