I just read those two blog posts with opposite vision on whether we should federate with threads and I have to say that I agree with both. :kare_sad: What's the right way to do this? Anyway, these two posts are great read for people interested in the state of the #fediverse
1-https://txt.lurk.org/on-not-scaling-lurk/
2-https://notes.neatnik.net/2025/01/framing-federation
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@nolwennm I fear I disagree with some points with –you guessed– Adam Newbold’s view. Especially “We’re […] preventing people from connecting with each other. Which is the entire point of a social network.” I don’t think so. More than federation, Archipélisation is a key word in my way of seing the fediverse. We don’t need to share a common global space (fedi != earth), we can live in chosen, carefully crafted, archipelagos. IMO, the post aligns with a #datalove mood I really tend to question. In my younger days, we had an expression (to describe neoliberalism): the freedom of the free fox in the free henhouse. That’s the kind of freedom I hear that this last post is asking for.
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@julienbidoret yes, I totally understand and agree with that political analysis, it also echoes the "embrace, extend and extinguish" history. But on the other hand, on a personal and social level, knowing all that we now know for how hard it is to move from a social network to another, wanting to stay within "us" also feels like militant purity. The one argument I am convinced by for now is the "we don't refuse to talk to people via email because they use gmail".
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@nolwennm Indeed, the loss of old (not so, but rally anchored…) habits and modes of relations can be a huge gap. But I wouldn’t say refusing Meta federation has to do with “militant purity”, and even more not “staying within us”. I met a lot of people being here, I discovered a lot of fields, ideas… Nowadays, the fediverse is really vast.
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@nolwennm The point about e-mail might also be discussed. Gmail came long after e-mails were something, and never achieved to absolutely destroy the previously established e-mail diversity and rules (even if they tried hard). Twitter, or even Facebook did invent some modes of relations (ok, almost, there were older players). They shaped our uses under their conditions far more than Google did with e-mails. Maybe the fediverse has to grow (in maturity more than in size) within its own frame, and better define its own rules, before opening any door to the massive size of Meta, its agenda and voracity.
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@julienbidoret yes, I love it in here too, I definitely like the cozyness of mastodon. But still, I also long for being able to peep at my friends and colleagues' feeds but they just aren't here...
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