@bascht @moonglum
If you had to pick a new text editor for programming today, what would you pick?
My default after all those years is still TextMate 2 and Xcode for Apple related coding, but I'm looking for an alternative. Tried vim in the past and liked it more than emacs.
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@mkalmes I hear good things about Zed. (Dunno about Apple related stuff though).
For me personally, it would definitely still be Emacs. :)
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@bascht Thank you! Zed has a Language Server Protocol and should help with Apple languages.
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@mkalmes @bascht I don‘t know, to be honest. You want to replace TextMate, right? What do you like about it, what do you dislike about it? 😀
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@moonglum @bascht
Math Mode in TextMate is amazing. Use it all the time for quick calculations.
It’s not seeing many updates in the past couple of years. Would like to invest in an editor that’s still around in a couple of years and available on different OSes.
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@mkalmes @bascht Okay, understood 👍 You want longevity and cross-platform. How much does the „look & feel“ matter to you? TextMate has its own style (I was a TM user back in the day 👴), that is probably closer to Sublime/Fleet/VS Code than emacs/vim/helix. It is also a bit more „batteries included“ than a lot of other editors.
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@moonglum @bascht
Not a high priority for me. As long as it has theming support to customize the colors, I’m good.
vim/emacs do have a higher learning curve, but are the gold standard. They both can be minimal and full fledged IDEs (editing a note with markdown vs. hacking code).
Zed is a modern approach, has LSP support (covers my Apple stuff), and has a GUI (like VSCode). Maybe easier to learn.
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@mkalmes @bascht Okay 👍 I think Zed is interesting, but I‘m not entirely sure the longevity box is ticked here. They want to make money with it, but don‘t charge for it. This… raises questions for me.
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@moonglum @bascht
Good point. 🤔
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@moonglum @bascht
Looked into it: They’ll charge for their collaboration tools.
https://zed.dev/faq#how-will-you-make-money
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@mkalmes @moonglum also - I wouldn't see the effort you put into learning a new editor as sunk cost. Even if you don't stick with it for only a few years, you may enjoy just tinkering with it. And it's not like you black out the rest. I've been on Emacs for about ten years now and I still am reasonably quick in vi(m), if need be. 😁
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@mkalmes @moonglum I wouldn't even call them the Gold standard. It's just that they're a) here for a very long time and b) have a steep learning curve which helps building a cult following. :D
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@bascht @moonglum That’s true! What I’m concerned about is that commercial editors/IDEs can and will be discontinued (JetBrains AppCode, TextMate 1, etc.).
I’m tired of hoping for a better Xcode and looking at open alternatives.
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