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Written by ASRG on 2025-01-21 at 17:00

Sabot in the Age of AI

Here is a curated list of strategies, offensive methods, and tactics for (algorithmic) sabotage, disruption, and deliberate poisoning.

🔻 iocaine

The deadliest AI poison—iocaine generates garbage rather than slowing crawlers.

🔗 https://git.madhouse-project.org/algernon/iocaine

🔻 Nepenthes

A tarpit designed to catch web crawlers, especially those scraping for LLMs. It devours anything that gets too close. @aaron

🔗 https://zadzmo.org/code/nepenthes/

🔻 Quixotic

Feeds fake content to bots and robots.txt-ignoring #LLM scrapers. @marcusb

🔗 https://marcusb.org/hacks/quixotic.html

🔻 Poison the WeLLMs

A reverse-proxy that serves diassociated-press style reimaginings of your upstream pages, poisoning any LLMs that scrape your content. @mike

🔗 https://codeberg.org/MikeCoats/poison-the-wellms

🔻 Django-llm-poison

A django app that poisons content when served to #AI bots. @Fingel

🔗 https://github.com/Fingel/django-llm-poison

🔻 KonterfAI

A model poisoner that generates nonsense content to degenerate LLMs.

🔗 https://codeberg.org/konterfai/konterfai

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Written by Mr Salteena is not quite a gentleman on 2025-01-21 at 20:24

@asrg @aaron @marcusb @mike @Fingel I have been doing something primitive with fail2ban and a "trigger" URL. But. What I see is that the latest in scraping is to use a rotating set of IPs or proxies so requests never seem to come from the same IP number, and with plausible user agents. I'm struggling with this because although I can see the overall behaviour, it's not clear until after a request is made that's part of a scrape session, and blocking that IP number won't block the remaining scrapes. Firms are offering this kind of service commercially and there are plenty of writeups on how to do it.

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Written by Aaron on 2025-01-21 at 20:49

@stephen A medium term plan for Nepenthes is to coordinate data amongst instances to conclusively identity crawlers, and hopefully allow people to ban them preemptively.

Still thinking through it. No ETA.

@asrg

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Written by GhostOnTheHalfShell on 2025-01-22 at 03:34

@aaron @stephen @asrg

It’d be really funny if you know, we’re too bad if somehow the trunk line emanating from these data centers I don’t know got water in them or something

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Toot

Written by Aaron on 2025-01-22 at 04:18

@GhostOnTheHalfShell This would create a lot of collateral damage, disrupting other innocent sites and computer systems, and be rapidly repaired.

I say this as a veteran of both the colocation/datacenter and telecom industries.

Please focus your enthusiasm on something that isn't likely to result in jail time.

@stephen @asrg

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Descendants

Written by GhostOnTheHalfShell on 2025-01-22 at 04:26

@aaron @stephen @asrg

I am voicing frustration more than anything else. I’d like to see these mobile surveillance platforms, taken down a notch. All the electronics we carry around now to have this disturbing ability.

When an auto company CEO can unlock a car and provide video feeds from the car, you begin to appreciate the depth of intrusion they engage in

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Written by GhostOnTheHalfShell on 2025-01-22 at 04:31

@aaron @stephen @asrg

And by the way, I’m not thinking about taking out a tower. I just like T disable the array of snooping everywhere. Do you understand how irritating it is to be taking the same morning walk of a decade and some idiot has installed a Nest, that shouts” You are being monitored!” in an aggressive tone?

Why am I being automatically issued a threat in my own neighborhood, I’ve lived here for decades?

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Written by Aaron on 2025-01-22 at 04:58

@GhostOnTheHalfShell Consider talking to your neighbor about it. They may be able to lower the sensitivity of that device or at least exclude the public sidewalk.

In addition, if you can establish a friendly rapport with them, that's exactly the kind of community building that hurts fascists.

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