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Written by Craig Groeschel on 2025-01-20 at 17:46

A pardon requires 1. a [confession or finding of guilt], and 2. a conviction. I would say that without these conditions precedent, the regent-executive has no standing to issue a pardon. Obviously no one agrees with me, and is instead in favor of a broad pardon power, one that short-circuits the entire judicial process of fact-finding, trial by jury in open court, and the rule of law.

The other thing I want to say is that pardoning the man who said, "You don't need a mask," and, "Some will fall by the wayside," is a diabolical act of pure evil.

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Written by Subjacent Banana on 2025-01-20 at 20:52

@craig_groeschel Supreme Court ruled in 1915 that a Pardon is an admission of guilt.

So, legally speaking... :bobross:

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Written by Craig Groeschel on 2025-01-20 at 21:18

@subjacentish

Interesting. They said, in dicta, that acceptance of a pardon was a confession of guilt. Later cases have questioned this.

Good to see that Burdick's arguments were similar to mine. Again, though, not part of the holding.

It's a good opinion.

236 U.S. 79 (1915)

https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep236/usrep236079/usrep236079.pdf

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Written by Subjacent Banana on 2025-01-20 at 21:21

@craig_groeschel It's the only common sense position to take imo.

How can you be pardoned for something you aren't convicted or charged w/?

A pardon w/ no crime is like a get-out-jail free card, I guess?

Not a great precedent in any sense. Biden's admin has been a total shitshow.

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