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Written by Nicolas Fressengeas on 2025-01-20 at 08:57

Thank you @josemurilo !

Thanks to your post linked below, I finally understood this #bluesky #freeourfeeds thing.

To make it ultra short, here is my understanding :

• #Freeourfeeds asks for $30 million to build a second instance of #bluesky, federated with the only one that exists now, in case of enshittification of the first one.
• This compares with the #fediverse, where zillions of cheap instances already exists and make it billlionnaire proof.

Now this is clear !

https://mato.social/@josemurilo/113852614122857747

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Written by Comunidad bahá´í de Mexicali on 2025-01-20 at 16:12

@fresseng @josemurilo giggle

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Written by Patrick Leavy on 2025-01-21 at 03:34

@fresseng @josemurilo

yeah i don't get it - Bluesky has already enabled federation in beta: https://docs.bsky.app/blog/self-host-federation

So why the need for $30bn to set up a mega server?

Is it to avoid what happened with Mastodon where Mastodon is the only really sizable instance? I thought that ATprotocol was designed to fix the 'small servers cannot see everything' problem, due to its focus on global scale...? See the 'scale' heading here: https://bsky.social/about/blog/3-6-2022-a-self-authenticating-social-protocol

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Written by Nicolas Fressengeas on 2025-01-21 at 07:09

@patrickleavy @josemurilo My understanding is that running another instance of bluesky is really expensive if you want be to be independent of the first one, in terms of investment, contrarily to ActivityPub which you can access to with low-end machines.

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Written by Nicolas Fressengeas on 2025-01-21 at 07:12

@patrickleavy @josemurilo Reading the heading scale, I stumble upon "Existing decentralized social protocols default to local conversations because it’s a natural fit for a decentralized architecture". That is really not my feeling with Mastodon and ActivityPub. I more and more tend to think that #FreeOurFeeds is asking for money to build something that already exists with #ActivityPub

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Written by Patrick Leavy on 2025-01-21 at 11:02

@fresseng @josemurilo I see. Yeah, it does feel like a duplication. The only thing I can think that makes sense is in Corey Doctorow's article yesterday saying that it's about the fact that there's already 25 million users there, so we might as well lean into AT for that reason.

His point was " Don't browbeat people for making the 'wrong choice'. Just enable fire exits and interoperability instead."

Interesting that blue sky might be just fundamentally more expensive to set up....

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Written by Nicolas Fressengeas on 2025-01-21 at 11:11

@patrickleavy @josemurilo

This is really important : " Don't browbeat people for making the 'wrong choice'. Just enable fire exits and interoperability instead."

It happens that interoperability between the Fediverse and Bluesky is already here through the @bsky.brid.gy bridge. It is not yet perfect, but is it improving.

The interoperable fire exit is already there.

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Written by Nicolas Fressengeas on 2025-01-21 at 11:12

@patrickleavy @josemurilo @bsky.brid.gy But I do not buy the argument that we should go to Bluesky because everyone does. The same argument was used to show that we needed to stay on X.

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