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Written by yianiris on 2025-01-20 at 02:54

[#]# Fediverse the ultimate neoliberal social engineering experiment

https://diasporasocial.net/posts/4703586

[#]Fediverse #mastodon #marxism #anarchism #libertarian #Communism #neoliberalism #fascism #censorship #diaspora #friendica

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Written by 🏁⚡Omar Two Tone⚡🏁:verified: on 2025-01-20 at 04:17

@yianiris

could you please share it with us but in a way we can see what it is about,? cause login is required. 🧐

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Written by yianiris on 2025-01-20 at 12:56

Fixed?

https://diasporasocial.net/posts/4704211

@heretical_i @omartwotone

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Written by 🏁⚡Omar Two Tone⚡🏁:verified: on 2025-01-20 at 13:46

@yianiris @heretical_i

yes it's fixed, and here's my opinion:

I've experienced once the deletion of a post which was about vaccines a long time ago, it was from a claiming from a user of another instance I'm on. I get the point that in all servers there are rules by owners, some more permissive than others, the respect is the only and common one. also I've observed that many users here have leftist points of view in many topics, when was the US elections, mastodon was insoportable, but I know it's impossible all people have my way of thinking. even though I don't think it is a complete social engineering experiment because we have the choice of being an owner running our instance or changing to another one with the minimum premise of respect. I've not tried diaspora yet, but certainly I've considered other spaces like the social media "minds" which is also federated where I post even more sensitive things than here in mastodon.

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Written by yianiris on 2025-01-20 at 17:15

You must have heard the saying, "I agree with what you are saying but I will die fighting for your right to say it"

Here we live like in a Chilean democracy, where they might agree with what you are saying but they can make you vanish anyway because they can.

@omartwotone @heretical_i

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Written by Heretical_i on 2025-01-20 at 19:20

About the 'respect' thing... kafeneio.social gets it right. @omartwotone @yianiris

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Written by 🏁⚡Omar Two Tone⚡🏁:verified: on 2025-01-20 at 20:05

@heretical_i @yianiris

🤔 and what about if the admin or a moderator feels extremely insulted just by a complete opposite post or opinion, (that's a point on the original post from diaspora)... should they deliberately delete or ban accounts just for being the owner of the instance? should everyone and each one be an owner to avoid censorship?

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Written by Heretical_i on 2025-01-21 at 00:11

Here I believe the FEW mods on duty are report button bullied from other instances and, as one said in an exchange regarding a takedown, 'youre a pain inthe ass', which is why it's made clear that they dont care about decorum, until the complaints overwhelm. Happens with Gender issues and Vaccine posts. Both have their share of fascists who shout down differing opionions. Exen polite correct ones @omartwotone @yianiris

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Written by yianiris on 2025-01-21 at 10:32

Ownership of a server means that it is much easier and tolerated to delete content and/or the author than debate over a topic. This is why #fediverse appears more intolerant to difference than commercial services who only care about doing a job.

If the model worked we would see more servers and more people, what we see on stats is more servers going off the air than new ones. No attempt to organize and set rules beyond "private ownership".

@omartwotone @heretical_i

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Written by Violet Madder on 2025-01-22 at 12:15

@yianiris

"I have no clue what goes on in most corporate social media, long ago when I used twitter I don’t remember any post of mine being removed."

Yeeeeah, no. It's downright goofy to make big comparisons or conclusions about this when you have no clue how what goes on over there.

And I don't see how we can honestly have anything resembling a true digital commons until we have totally different infrastructure, like mesh networks or something.

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Written by yianiris on 2025-01-22 at 13:26

... how we can honestly have anything resembling a true digital commons until we have totally different infrastructure, ...

Now that is something we can agree on, but few realize this, the digital air we breath here belongs to a handful of telecom multinationals globally.

But as zapatistas repeat, we struggle for autonomy, we have what we constructed, we miss what we are missing. As long as we remain conscious.

@violetmadder @heretical_i @aspensmonster

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Written by Violet Madder on 2025-01-22 at 13:29

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Agreed!

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Written by Preston Maness ☭ on 2025-01-22 at 12:59

@yianiris ^The linked thread is an excellent example of why idealism is a dead-end ideological tool that gets people nowhere.

Somehow, very few people find all this disturbing, and in contrast to social media owned and operated by large corporations, many progressive, democratic, liberal minded people think and act convinced that this is better. I have no clue what goes on in most corporate social media, long ago when I used twitter I don’t remember any post of mine being removed. As far as I can tell, as long as they can sell IDs, cookies, email accounts, and advertising they couldn’t care less what you think. Communists (authoritarian/totalitarian and libertarian/democractic), anarchists of all colors and flavors, never see so much restriction, sensitivity, and censorship as exercised in #Fediverse.

Thinking that corporate social media doesn't care what you think, that there is no restriction or censorship of socialist or communist or anarchist thought, that everything is welcome so long as money is made, is thoroughly ahistorical and a blatant disregard for material reality. Thinking that, somehow, the #fediverse is a better representation of #neoliberalism than corporate social media, betrays a basic misunderstanding of what the word even means.

[#]socialism #communism #marxism #anarchism

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Written by yianiris on 2025-01-22 at 13:13

There is a difference between "corporate media" as in NYT preventing any other expression than their own managed rhetoric, and something like fb/twit/reddit/...

For example you can start a "room" on reddit and critically analyze where and why has Marxist theory failed, or how Marxists treating original theory as holly script have prevented revision of theory when it is needed. On lemmy m-l fediverse servers your material just gets deleted and account banned.

see #Chomsky

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