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Written by Z̈oé ⛵ on 2025-01-17 at 18:47

Hey chat can we please publicly shame Siemens for this article https://blog.siemens.com/2025/01/bitcoin-is-energy-2/

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Written by Z̈oé ⛵ on 2025-01-17 at 18:49

Day by day I grow more convinced that what we actually need at this point is damn Planwirtschaft

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Written by neuron on 2025-01-17 at 19:42

@uint8_t I am not entirely convinced. But we should now have the compute power to schedule resource usage and production.

Would be at least worth to build a simulation and try it at a smaller scale.

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Written by Glitzersachen on 2025-01-17 at 20:10

@neuron @uint8_t

That's not a queestion of scheduling, but of ideology.

Also admittedly perhaps rather of strategy: What do you schedule if you don't know/agree where you want to go/arrive? A simulation won't help you there, finding goals.

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Written by Z̈oé ⛵ on 2025-01-17 at 20:15

@glitzersachen @neuron sustainability

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Written by Glitzersachen on 2025-01-17 at 20:33

@uint8_t @neuron

That's probably rather a constraint. The central tenet of capitalism is, that goals sort themselves out (by competition) practically automatically without a central decision mechanism. For the scheduling by simulation it would be necessary to state the goals beforehand, so the simulation parameters can be adjusted so that the goals are reached by the actual execution of the plan later?

Simulation for scheduling doesn't help with the question how to arrive at the goals (as a society). And have some degree of agreement on them.

That was, what I wanted to say.

Capitalism ditches the question altogether (the right goals were what came out in the end because that was what survived the competition).

It's assumed that "growth" and "maximizing value" helps arriving at good goals. So they optimize for that locally and pretend to hope that globally all gets better this way.

Recent developments make me doubt this.

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Written by Z̈oé ⛵ on 2025-01-17 at 20:42

@glitzersachen @neuron make sure everyone is housed, fed, educated, free to pursue personal goals, while the systems providing these goals operate sustainably. also the rest of the market economy should be regulated in a way that ensures emission control at a sustainable rate

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Written by Glitzersachen on 2025-01-17 at 20:44

@uint8_t @neuron

I am pretty sure, it will be difficult this days to get consensus even on that.

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Written by Z̈oé ⛵ on 2025-01-17 at 20:47

@glitzersachen @neuron that’s because we lack a vision, and most the courage to even dream a better world

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Written by Glitzersachen on 2025-01-17 at 20:49

@uint8_t @neuron

No. Homo sapiens brains these days just already run the wrong programs. And it's difficult to bootstrap into a better mindset from that.

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