The Jung-Koch-Quentell wall charts Wikipedia page is still a draft. But Koch has his own Wikipedia page now:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottlieb_von_Koch
Lots of work by @bewo001 went into it.
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@faassen The article received a grade 'C' on the talk page. Not great, not terrible.
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@faassen I just returned from the library where I had access to the member list of the "Naturwissenschaftlicher Verein zu Darmstadt". von Koch and Jung were members from the start, Quentell was not (at least before 1900).
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@bewo001 cool! Though Quentell was already definitely part of the partnership for a long time by then. Did he live close enough? I know the wall charts were published in Darmstadt but his biography has him based in other towns, are they nearby?
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Quentell's bio mentions that von Koch recommended him for an 8 weeks' stay at the stazione zoologica in Naples. And the reports of that research station mention him, 2.4.1889 - 3.6.1889.
Michelstadt, Friedberg, and Worms are about an hour and a half away from Darmstadt by train, probably more in the 19th century.
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@faassen It's really puzzling how someone like Jung got into closer contact with people like v Koch and Quentell. Teachers like Jung had a very limited education: 8 years elementary school, 2 year of preparatory class, then 3 years at a teachers' seminary. They really took 16 year olds to make teachers out of them. Unlike Quentell and v Koch, who studied at a number of different universities.
Interestingly, even with that limited education, school teachers were exempt from military draft.
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Jung joined Naturwissenschaftlicher Verein zu Darmstadt. And Koch co-founded that (I can't find this founding in Koch article by the way). So maybe Jung saw it advertised? Jung may simply be interested in nature and met Koch through natural history cabinet?
Alternatively Koch is interested in teaching children, so could have contacted Jung through a school. But I think Jung being self motivated makes this more likely
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@faassen this is all quite possible, but I always pictured the Kaiser Wilhelm era as one where people were really particular about their social standing.
The Verein had like 200 members, many teachers like Jung, but also people like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Merck. Wonder if and how they mingled during meetings..
A teacher like Jung would had classes of ~50 pupils! To attend meetings after a day of that, and working on educational charts..
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It's an interesting anthropological question. Did a Verein reinforce existing social boundaries or was it actually a form of escape valve where people were allowed to cross boundaries?
It also depends on the personalities. You could imagine someone like Von Koch who is very interested in children and informal with them also being less insistent on other social conventions.
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@bewo001 Social hierarchy in the Netherlands in that era might be different, but here's an example of a teacher who broke into the educated classes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerard_Bolland
He started as a teacher, was mostly self-taught but made it to professor in Leiden. If I remember well he was in communication with a professor there during his teacher years, also through a lot of letters.
(he had unpalatable views; I know about him as I'm interested in Dutch radical criticism of the New Testament)
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@faassen I guess it was a question of money. Bolland must have made money or found someone to pay his university visit.
One entry in the library catalogue says with regard to the charts: "painted and edited by H Jung himself" Maybe von Koch and Quentell let him do that so he could get more money (Jung had 3 kids if I read the death notice correctly).
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I need to consult his biography but I think it was connections rather than money.
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