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Written by Rhys Morgan on 2025-01-12 at 10:23

Can’t believe I’ve only just twigged that Cocoa is named Cocoa in response to Java… The 1999 WWDC is so heavy on Java being the future of development on the Mac, in Cocoa!

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Written by Sam Rose on 2025-01-12 at 10:23

@rhysmorgan TIL!

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Written by Sam Rose on 2025-01-12 at 10:28

@rhysmorgan do you have a timestamp on the keynote where they talk about this?

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Written by Rhys Morgan on 2025-01-12 at 10:28

@samwho I will dig it out for you :)

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Written by Sam Rose on 2025-01-12 at 10:29

@rhysmorgan ty! Version I was flicking through is https://archive.org/details/1999-05-10-wwdc-keynote-bad-audio. Want to add it to https://til.samwho.dev

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Written by Rhys Morgan on 2025-01-12 at 10:36

@samwho I’m watching on https://youtu.be/OC1H0gHFWio

They start talking about Mac OS X at 1:15:09 and, Jobs starts talking about the three main APIs (Classic, Carbon, and Cocoa) at 1:26:13, and he starts talking explicitly about Cocoa at 1:28:44.

He says: “Mac OS X is going to come with what was formerly called Yellow Box. We’re renaming it to Cocoa. We’re renaming it to Cocoa because in addition to its Objective-C APIs, we’ve added full Java APIs on top of Cocoa”

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Written by Sam Rose on 2025-01-12 at 10:38

@rhysmorgan Wikipedia is suggesting that Apple owned the Cocoa name already from a previous project that was a multimedia application for kids, so it feels like it may have been serendipity that this new usage was a funny contrast to Java?

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Written by Rhys Morgan on 2025-01-12 at 10:39

@samwho I wouldn’t be surprised if they already owned the name, but the way Jobs talks about it, he pretty much explicitly says “We named it Cocoa because of Java”

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Written by Sam Rose on 2025-01-12 at 10:42

@rhysmorgan ah, reading a bit more that project itself was a reference to Java! Awesome.

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Written by Rhys Morgan on 2025-01-12 at 10:46

@samwho The history of Objective-C and Java, and their intermingling like this, I find it really interesting. Especially since I’ve got retro Macs now!

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