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Written by hikari 🌟 (falling into the sky) on 2025-01-03 at 11:50

HOLY SHIT THE h.264 PATENTS EXPIRE THIS YEAR LETS FUCKIN GOOOOO

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Written by hikari 🌟 (falling into the sky) on 2025-01-03 at 11:50

i will Always simp for the good enough 20-years-old video or audio format that Just Works and man is h.264 that

we don't need anything else we will just have h.264 + aac .mp4s for everything, the world shall heal

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Written by 9Lukas5 🚂 🐧 on 2025-01-03 at 12:31

@hikari I'm thinking about AV1+Opus in Matroska containers 🙃

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Written by mirabilos on 2025-01-03 at 12:50

@9Lukas5 @hikari too CPU-intensive IIRC (PoV Thinkpads X40 and X61)

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Written by CounterPillow on 2025-01-03 at 14:04

@mirabilos maybe you shouldn't use a laptop from 2004

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Written by mirabilos on 2025-01-03 at 14:08

@CounterPillow but I like it and it works extremely well and it has a better keyboard than later models, no touchpad only the IBM nipple, and a better screen aspect ratio. It’s also more robust and thicker. All plus points.

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Written by CounterPillow on 2025-01-03 at 14:10

@mirabilos evidently they don't work extremely well

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Written by mirabilos on 2025-01-03 at 14:18

@CounterPillow they do, their CPU oomph is just limited.

They can decode H264 when underclocked to 600 MHz at quite less than 100%CPU in top(1). Even upscaling YT format 18 to fullscreen 1024x768 is possible.

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Written by CounterPillow on 2025-01-03 at 14:24

@mirabilos Hey congrats, you can decode a 640x360 video in realtime. What an amazing feat. A random <$10 SoC I did measurements on once can decode a 1280x720 H.264 video at 200fps in CPU alone at less than 5W, and an equal resolution AV1 video also entirely in software at 105 fps.

Stop deluding yourself into thinking your dinosaur is any reason to stop people from using modern codecs.

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Written by mirabilos on 2025-01-03 at 14:28

@CounterPillow I don’t need 1280 as the monitor is just 1024 wide, so less CPU and bandwidth spent, which is useful anyway.

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Written by mirabilos on 2025-01-03 at 14:31

@CounterPillow also, stop being so condescending. I’d like to see you have to wait for the longer video download in countries with bad and slow internet connections while I can get my smaller video, even put it into mfs/tmpfs, and watch it from there before you’re finished.

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Written by CounterPillow on 2025-01-03 at 14:36

@mirabilos but you're getting the less efficiently compressed video because you're relying on ancient codecs? That is the whole point of more advanced codecs, they are more efficient at cramming the same perceived quality into smaller bitrate, or more quality into the same bitrate.

That you're here bragging about fitting an entire video into RAM is quite funny; I can do the same and then some.

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Written by mirabilos on 2025-01-03 at 15:47

@CounterPillow it’s fun you say "less efficient" because the H264-compressed video is more energy-efficient, the AV1-compressed one is merely a smaller download. So, very much no.

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Written by CounterPillow on 2025-01-03 at 15:55

@mirabilos predictable argument twisting semantics because you exposed yourself as an irrational idiot. I'm sure your inefficient (energy) ancient hardware downloading an inefficiently (bandwidth) encoded video is totally efficient, bro. Except I'm sure you'll try shifting the goalposts again towards something else, maybe grey energy.

Just take the L you fefeclone gigaclown.

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Written by mirabilos on 2025-01-03 at 16:25

@CounterPillow I tried serious arguments but you’re apprently only interested in being insulting (and perhaps that’s why you dropped the rest of the people involved in the thread, I should have known). sigh… not worth my time

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Written by 9Lukas5 🚂 🐧 on 2025-01-03 at 14:28

@mirabilos @hikari Encoding is a time pain point, yes.

Viewing works fine with my machines already and the decision is for a long-term plan of archiving.

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Written by mirabilos on 2025-01-03 at 14:33

@9Lukas5 @hikari AIUI the encoding/compression to decoding/decompression point moves in favour of less compression if it’s viewed/transferred a smaller amount of times. With archiving, storage space does become a concern again, but that’s something you’ll have to weigh for yourself then.

(Recompression of an already lossily-compressed thing will also lose quality.)

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