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Written by Christopher Neugebauer on 2025-01-02 at 18:13

Why I, an immigrant, sufficiently satisfied with my life abroad that I have chosen* to naturalise often say "never emigrate":

I don't mean that living in another country is not a worthwhile goal. I mean that the system and side-effects of immigration – no matter where you choose to go – is complicated and scary and dehumanising in ways that you can't explain to someone who hasn't been through the process.

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Written by noname on 2025-01-02 at 18:30

@chrisjrn I’ve been through that process. “Never emigrate” wouldn’t be my universal advice. The price is steep, the road is long, and the end result is far from certain, on that I agree.

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Written by Christopher Neugebauer on 2025-01-02 at 19:41

@noname to be clear, "never emigrate" is not my actual advice, it's a challenge to think about why someone who's been through the process might seriously give that advice.

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Written by Ivan Sagalaev :flag_wbw: on 2025-01-02 at 19:55

@chrisjrn @noname as an educated white Russian who went through USCIS I can confidently state that it's not even close in terms of dehumanizing cruelty to regular Russian bureaucracy. So this advice needs at least a few more variables to depend upon.

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Written by Christopher Neugebauer on 2025-01-02 at 19:58

@isagalaev @noname that is actually my entire point

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