Guys idk what language level this equates to but in Dutch I'm now able to understand most tw and radio programs or at least most of it, same with written news, sarcastic tweets about culture and news (like zwarte piet or vuurwerk), I love Lubach, I can listen to singers interviews, translate songs, read (non)fiction like
Bijna niets gebeurt toevallig or De Avonden by Gerard Reve. My mum told me my Dutch sounded better, too!
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@pitrouillesque Nice! Do you live in Netherlands or have you accomplished that level remotely, not hearing Dutch in your every day life?
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@Elias Hi, It's say 2/3 remotely and 1/3 living in the Netherlands, which helped a great deal with culture! I lived in the Netherlands for 9 months consecutively and then went back for the equivalent of two months to visit friends I had made there and holidays, my former roommates and landlord (helped too). I met new friends online I plan to visit! :) But we don't speak dutch a lot together because my friend is learning french and really needs it for work, she helps me though.
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@pitrouillesque Interesting! Thank you!
My reason for asking: I grew up in a small bilingual (swedish - finnish) coastal town in Finland. My native language is finnish. Even though it was a very pleasant method to complete my swedish "studies" in a relationship with a swedish speaking girl, the most valuable skill is metacognitive: hearing and using more than one language as a child alters your cognition and thus makes it easier to learn new languages.
I had a good luck in this. :)
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@Elias Oh I heard so, interesting story! I started "late" with english like 13yo I think? Swedish is one of my next target languages I'm starting norwegian. I will agree with you, and I also think it's why dutch people don't switch when they do it with flemish people who share basically the language: you pick up things native say more easily, the way they speak, the way they ask for things, and how things work there. Knowing the little tricks and paraphrasing help a lot
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@Elias I didn't have it as a kid but now I find also that the metacognitive skills are priceless, learning languages seems so much easier the most you learn. Dutch was my fourth taught language and second self taught, first was korean i forget everything of but was way more difficult. Seeing ressemblances and differences with english, french (sometimes swedish lol), german made it easier to later also add these languages to the list
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@pitrouillesque You are doing much better than me. :P
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@Elias I'm not sure, I still have trouble with complicated material. I forgot almost all my spanish, I can read it but not speak it, it's so frustrating! I almost lost all my Korean, I have only basics of German I just started and same with Norwegian I ended picking as main next target because of how similar it is with dutch to me that I understand native people speaking or tweets (maybe with the other languages too?) and I thought it was frustrating, but I also have no job currently!
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@pitrouillesque This is exactly why I have lost my ability of speaking German and Italian. I really don't have possibilties to use thos languages in Finland. Everyone wants to use English which is OK generally speaking but not very fruitful if one wants to learn languages.
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@Elias Yeah, I'm lucky enough to have Dutch friends else I would be cooked. I also think it's easier to get dutch or norwegian material in France than German or Italian material in Finland, even with internet, because of import costs and shipping right? Also knowing native people is easier to find good material. It's what I aim to do online for dutch learners. Also it requires so much time and dedication, for me it has always been a hobby, but with a job I struggle to maintain a good level
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@pitrouillesque Years ago a read about a "club" in Helsinki. It was called Imbisstube: a group of people gathered weekly in a restaurant and spoke German.
I copied the idea as I noticed that here in Turku there were many italian carpenters working in a shipyard. I have to confess that we did not eat that much but drank beer in a pub, and shouted into each other's mouths in italian style....
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@pitrouillesque Thank you for an interesting discussion. Now my dog wants to take me outdoors.
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@Elias Have a nice walk!!! pat the dog for me please <3
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@pitrouillesque Martta remercie et salue toutes les personnes sympathiques.
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