Ancestors

Written by Laxystem on 2025-01-01 at 06:20

To the new year in Jerusalem rebuilt.

Though funnily enough I've been in Jerusalem this year, six times, more than my entire life (just twice or thrice...)

But I haven't been to the Muslim quarter. Well, not above ground. The city of peace is now a city of walls.

As a wise guy on YouTube once said, my country is now a shadow of its former self, under a coat of normalcy.

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Written by Laxystem on 2025-01-01 at 06:36

I have a lot of thoughts regarding Jerusalem. The city is an archaeological treasure trove. The entire Muslim quarter is built on top of another city—Israelite Jerusalem.

Al-aqza (the silver "kipa", i.e. a 3D arch) and the Golden "kipa" (sorry, blame my country's MoE; I only know the Hebrew names for those) are built quite literally on top of the actual Temple, with the Golden arch on top of the most holiest.

I hope we will one day be able to reach mutual agreement, to not destroy Al Aqza—as beyond religion, you just don't destroy ancient, important buildings, that'd be against everything the State of Israel stands for—and yet still have the Temple, with some miracle of architecture and diplomacy (there shall be no church on top of the home mountain though; on my dead body).

Tolkien has made his dwarves into his world's Jews. Would be ironic if the third Jewish Temple would then be mostly underground, no?

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Written by Jackie on 2025-01-01 at 06:40

@laxla

you just don't destroy ancient, important buildings, that'd be against everything the State of Israel

"On 19 October, an Israeli air strike destroyed a building in the compound of the Saint Porphyrius Greek Orthodox Church in the heart of Gaza’s old city, where an estimated 450 internally displaced members of Gaza’s small Christian community were sheltering. The strike killed 18 civilians and injured at least 12 others.

Ramez al-Sury, who lost his three children and 10 other relatives in the attack, told Amnesty International: 'My heart died with my children that evening. All my children were killed: Majid, 11, Julie, 12, and Suhail, 14. I have nothing left. I should have died with my children.'"

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-nowhere-safe-in-gaza-unlawful-israeli-strikes-illustrate-callous-disregard-for-palestinian-lives/

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Written by Jackie on 2025-01-01 at 06:44

@laxla I understand where you are coming from, and I do think that wanting to preserve ancient buildings is noble.

I just think that maybe the state of Israel doesn't quite stand for what you think it does. Just as the United States doesn't stand for what I was originally taught it stood for.

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Written by Laxystem on 2025-01-01 at 06:51

@burnoutqueen "Maybe the state of Israel doesn't stand for what you think it does?"

It fucking does. The State of Israel stands for rebuilding, not destruction. This is not what my country stands for.

How rude of you to suggest the entire essence of my culture, people, and country is war, and killing.

Is your country's essence ecocide, and capitalism for the sake of capitalism, and xenophobia to no end? No, it's not, it's that of freedom, of equality, and of one's ability to succeed based purely on their skill.

This is incredibly rude, especially of an American, of a westerner.

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Written by Jackie on 2025-01-01 at 06:53

@laxla

I don't like the American state either.

This is not an attack on you. I am not implying anything about you or your values.

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Written by Laxystem on 2025-01-01 at 06:56

@burnoutqueen yes, it is, and yes, you are, actually.

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Toot

Written by Jackie on 2025-01-01 at 06:59

@laxla

If you told me about what America did in Korea or Chile, I would not feel offended like this.

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Descendants

Written by Laxystem on 2025-01-01 at 07:10

@burnoutqueen I'm offended by you saying my country stands for violence and nothing else.

You haven't visited the Kotel Tunnels. You haven't visited the Museum of Israel. You haven't visited the Gamla Synagogue. You weren't here. You don't know the culture, the people, what we do during peace, and yet, you judge.

The State of Israel stands for restorative archeology. Yes, we have a legacy of violence. But that legacy does not change what Israel stands for. Collecting knowledge and preserving it ad infinitum. The People of the Book. Including this bloody, bloody legacy. The Bible itself details the exact crimes that were committed to first gain control of this land, and history books will detail what we've done to live in it the second time.

So, please. Stop this nonsense. Think what you're standing for. Think what point you're even trying to make.

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Written by Jackie on 2025-01-01 at 07:15

@laxla

I disagree with anarchists on many issues, but I would say their assessment of the nature of the state has many merits.

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Written by Jackie on 2025-01-01 at 07:17

@laxla

I am specifically talking about a state, a government and its associated military. I'm talking about the ideology of that state.

I'm not talking about the Jewish people. I'm not talking about ancient structures built by dead civilizations. I'm not talking about you or your specific beliefs.

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