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Written by kvistgaard on 2024-12-26 at 14:35

Luhmann's system theory and enactivism have the same roots, cybernetics, and more specifically autopoiesis, but from there they took different paths.

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Written by Paco Xander Nathan on 2024-12-26 at 20:48

Glad to see this reference @kvistgaard

Luhmann was a difficult read for me, and I've only made it through Social Systems. I get the sense that Luhman took a turn which Dave Snowden references in his preference for other frameworks over "system theory", i.e., about embodying elements of right-wing political theory?

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Written by kvistgaard on 2024-12-27 at 17:33

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I haven't heard Dave Snowden mentioning Luhmann. He criticizes system thinking, especially the system dynamics flavour, but also cybernetics.

But anyway, that's not the point. If you are interested in giving Luhmann another chance, I'd suggest first checking out "Laws of Form" by George Spencer-Brown (bonus: you'll enjoy the math there), if you haven't. That's a prerequisite for reading Luhmann. Then "Unlocking Luhmann - A Keyword Introduction to Systems Theory." If those work and make you curious, you may again Luhmann with "Organisation and Decision" and maybe "Theory of Society."

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