Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 29th December 2024
https://awful.systems/post/3120587
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Put this up about 20 minutes late, so I’m starting off by saying Honey got exposed
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ZITRON DROPPED (his last post for the year)
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I knew AI bros were lazy fucks but Jesus Christ
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Holy shit. Managed to never run into them due to sponsorblock but the ways mega corps find ways to extract money out of everyone never ceases to amaze
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I remember when the Dark Reader addon was advertising them years ago, they were doing their shit for a pretty long time
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Making money via stealing commissions from affiliate links, tbf, wasn’t the business model I was suspecting from Honey.
I always thought they were scamming but I thought it was going to be from selling your browsing data or something similar. Then again, they still might do that.
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I must have been living under a rock/a different kind of terminally online, because I had only ever heard of Honey through Dan Olson’s riposte to Doug Walker’s The Wall, which describes Doug Walker delivering “an uncomfortably over-acted ad for online data harvesting scam Honey” (35:43).
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Well-known YouTuber Markiplier also went off on Honey back in 2019, and needless to say he felt pretty vindicated:
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Wow, I’ve been saying for years that this extension is shady as fuck. Nice to see that it’s getting some attention.
I didn’t expect it to steal affiliate cookies, but that they let you control which codes it “finds” isn’t even a secret, and I thought people know this. But every time I mentioned this on Reddit I was downvoted and called a liar.
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As someone who’s never even considered interacting with any part of this whole system, this is really funny honestly. It’s like a matryoshka of shady business practices.
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When I was young I knew people who installed those ‘get money for moving your mouse’ things, and they never got a dime. So I always mentally ignore these things as scams. ‘it is just free money’ is quite the red flag.
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I swear to god there was a video I watched about this years ago that already talked about how they don’t give you the best coupons and that they hijack affiliate links. I couldn’t have made that up in my head.
The most surprising thing to me was that they’re owned by PayPal? How can you have any credibility left when you’re owned by PayPal, wtf, that should’ve been the end of them. Oh, no shit, a service owned by PAYPAL is shady and not above-board?? No way man, those paragons of user centrism, PAY-fucking-PAL.
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the identity-devouring worldcoin sphere ordered to delete user data by a german data protection office over gdpr noncompliance euronews.com/…/german-watchdog-orders-sam-altmans…
On Thursday, the German data protection authority, the Bavarian State Office for Data Protection Supervision (BayLDA), concluded a months-long investigation into World and stated that its identification procedure “entails a number of fundamental data protection risks for a large number of data subjects” that does not comply with the European Union’s General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR).
“With today’s decision, we are enforcing European fundamental rights standards in favour of data subjects in a technologically demanding and legally highly complex case,” said BayLDA president Michael Will.
is it? it’s another fucking crypto scam
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They have enough money to make it complex, no matter how simple the underlying issue.
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I want to say I appreciate when there’s a link to the previous one, as after a week it’s nice to see what substacks were posted since.
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wizz for coading! chapter 17 is out
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMtPzDMB2dg
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They really picked that as the example image, huh
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full service plagiarism! bet you we’ll see whiteglove variant of it next
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Past a certain point it’s easier for people to cut the genAI out of the picture and just actually draw the shit they’re being asked for rather than badger the machine into creating something satisfactory, at which point irony will be well and truly dead.
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yep, have made the same critique. the way people “overcommit” on this is a fascinating interplay of sunk cost fallacy combined with some other shit
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I want someone to take this and run it in a self-feeding loop, I want to see what the limit supremum of AI Imagery looks like
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Do you want agi basilisk anime girls because this is how you get agi basilisk anime girls
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Honestly it’s either that or some rosewattasttone level translation errors which sounds like a pretty good risk to take for me.
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@V0ldek @BlueMonday1984 Habsburg AI
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so openai claims to be doing great on the FrontierMath dataset. I’ve already seen the usual sort of dipshits using this to pump ai on reddit. here’s a post that went to the frontpage on HN:
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(tl;dr only a few problems from the dataset are public but if representative the problems are about 25% survivable by an undergrad; coincidentally this is the % openai says their models are completing.)
this post is by kevin buzzard. he has a let’s say not widely beloved personality, but I don’t think of him as credulous or grifty, and people in his area regard him as an excellent mathematician.
he points out but I think does not focus enough on how discrediting the secretive nature of the dataset is. the fact that you can’t make it public is necessary to run such experiments in a scientifically reasonable way, but also makes it totally impossible to run the experiment in a scientifically reasonable way. an experiment which cannot be examined, looked into or reproduced is actually the opposite of science. it’s pure grift fuel
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If you release the test set, all models magically jump to 87.3% accuracy.
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The ARC scores don’t matter too much to me at 3k a problem. Like the original goal of the prize had a compute limit. You can’t break that rule and then claim victory ( I mean I guess you can, but like not everyone is gonna be as wowed as xitter randos, ensemble methods were already hitting 80% + acc to francois )
And unfortunately, with Frontier math, the lack of transparency w.r.t. which problems were solved and how they were solved makes it frustrating as hell to me, as someone who actually would like to see a super math robot. According to the senior math advisor to the people who created the data set, iirc 40% solved problems were in the easiest category / 40% in the second tier category and 10% were in the “hard” tier, but he said that he looked at the solutions and that they looked like mostly being solved ‘heuristically’ instead of plopping out any ‘new’ insights.
Again, none of this is good science, just pure shock and awe. I’ve heard rumors that OAI is hiring strong competition style mathematicians to supervise the reinforcement learning for these types of problems and if they are letting O3 take the test, then how the hell does that not leak the problem set? Like now the whole test is compromised now right? Since this behemoth uses enough electricity to power a city block, theres no way they would be able to run it locally. Now OAI can literally pay their peeps to solve the rest and surprise surprise O3++ will hit 80%
OTOH, with code forces scores and math scores this high, I can now put on my LW cap and say this model has 2 trillion IQ, so why hasn’t it exterminated me and my family yet like big Yud promised? It’s almost as if there is no little creature inside trying to take over the world or something.
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four thieves collective goes on 38C3 and i groan in anticipation of whatever stupid trick will they pull now fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/…/ASBXWW/ why they even are there
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never heard of them before. from skimming their wikipedia, it seems their grift is glossing over the details in the “science” part?
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From what I heard: Skimming over science, best practices, risks of contamination, risk of producing horror chemicals, problems of sourcing materials, storing materials, storing the final product etc etc.
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interesting read, thanks.
the red pill reference also had me rolling my eyes. i guess it’s more virtue signalling than actually making a change.
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It is a bit weird, it has very high EA vibes to me, started and did some good (epipen in 2017 vs EAs malaria nets), but end up to have some crazy plan for which the other things are more of a smokescreen for their real plans (an easy bake chemical oven make chems at home kit vs EAs stopping our lord and saviour the robotgod) using rethoric aimed at a specific subgroup (2000 anarchist libertarian hackers vs nerdy altruists)
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i’ve complained about them previously awful.systems/comment/2754222
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Governments have criminalized the practice of managing your own health. Despite the fact that for most of human history bodily autonomy, and self-managed health was the norm, it is now required that most aspects of your health must be mediated by an institution deputized by the state.
JFC
go back 200 years before the “gubmint” got involved in public health and tell me that average life expectancy was better than now
before the pandemic it was possible for people to believe that libertarianism was an answer to everything, turns out if it was a tiny minority would have hoarded all the PPE while the people they were gonna sell it to died of the plague. libertarians have not been able to square this circle since
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maybe it’s more of a take acceptable for americans
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The FDA is a response to people just making shit up and selling cough cures full of opium. “Raw milk” pushers are cut from the same cloth.
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idk what went wrong there but village industry of altmed clinics seems to be an actual thing, and from what i understand it’s apparently legal in some of red states
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It also prevented the Thalidomide medication from causing much damage in the usa (compared to the rest of the world) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide_scandal and prob countless more, as it is a bit hard to cause problems if the problems are caught before it being brought to market. And I do worry that the “the fda is too cautious” pushers are actually motte baileying for the total removal of the fda.
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@Soyweiser Thalidomide was mostly a British problem (that led to the UK's CSM getting teeth). The FDA in the USA really got rolling after the Elixir Sulfanilamide poisonings in 1937: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elixir_sulfanilamide
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Ah right, thanks! Weren’t there also a lot of German victims?
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there was austrian wine contamination incident in 1985
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there were also a couple of cases since where DEG replaced glycerine in syrups, either by negligence by manufacturer of syrup, manufacturer of intermediate, or knowingly as a cost cutting measure, last one in 2022
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And I do worry that the “the fda is too cautious” pushers are actually motte baileying for the total removal of the fda.
they absolutely are, see also Scott Alexander stanning for these guys
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NRx people was what I was thinking about. Every city a city state with bespoke medical experimentation going on. And if you don’t like it, just leave and go to a different city state with different crazy medical experiments.
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Yeah, as somebody in the USA, I think that both you and @gerikson@awful.systems are pearl-clutching over laboratory conditions while ignoring the other, more serious safety problems being addressed; the presentation was not exaggerating when they were talking about the lifesaving impact of gender-affirming therapy. Last thread, you sheepishly admitted that part of the synthesis is complicated by criminalization and over-regulation; this thread, I’d like a sheepish admission that about a third of the USA (by population) suffers from restrictions on their reproductive rights.
Like, yes, you shouldn’t brew your own high-proof alcohol at home, because you can go blind from methanol poisoning. But also, there was a time in the USA when high-proof alcohol was over-regulated, and it incentivized a lot of people to homebrew.
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i see this all more as a publicity stunt/attention grab than anything else. i wrote there about naloxone because laufer has put much more information about naloxone than about anything else in question there. he has put naloxone structure on his website all the way back in 2016 with “other molecules” description, suggesting that there’s some work in progress. now he’s talking about “releasing” procedure for naloxone synthesis ripped from a paper that came out in 2013, available on scihub for all to see. it took them so fucking long that since then: 1. availability of black market opioids shifted from genuine perc pills that you can divert from real pharmacy and that can be used to make naloxone, to possibly counterfeit ones containing fentanyl that you can’t. were he releasing this all the way back in say 2018, this still could be marginally useful. 2. since then naloxone has been made available OTC making cooking it on your own obsolete. 3. there’s also an option of using some other antagonists that can use codeine as starting material - i’d like to see this regulated - but these come with more side effects and absolutely zero work has been done in this direction either.
this thread, I’d like a sheepish admission that about a third of the USA (by population) suffers from restrictions on their reproductive rights.
you’re saying this as if it’s american-only problem. diy hrt and diy plan-b were a thing way before laufer and will continue to be a thing until they’re not needed, and these work by diverting legit pharmaceuticals. his miso card thing is possibly okayish if sealed but it works only because there’s no synthesis involved, it’s diverting veterinary drugs, which is fine because it’s likely that these come from the same reactor anyway. if anything i guess he might be harmful in this one by bringing unwanted attention. if you take into attention that he floated an idea of making gene therapy on their own, with aim of introducing extra aromatase so that testosterone is transformed into estrogen almost completely, as an alternative to hrt, and possibly some other gene therapies, i cannot take him seriously. this gotta be a massive, overly long, deeply unserious attention grab. if it’s grift, it’s not a very good one, with $23k (current prices) in crypto donations since 2019 and $5/mo patreon
and btw there’s no methanol in moonshine, at least not in harmful levels. there is methanol in denatured alcohol in countries where regulators don’t give a fuck or where they believe that “morally deficient” people like addicts should suffer, like in US, in EU contaminants are nontoxic. methanol in counterfeit alcohol occurs only as intentional contamination and/or cost-cutting measure, or when whoever is cooking it does not know any better
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The US healthcare system needs to be fixed, and probably others as well.
Synthesizing your own meds is not the fix.
It is, at best, a band-aid. Having transpersons and pregnant women reliant on international drug networks (becuse realistically those are the orgs that are gonna step into this void if needed) is not a good outcome.
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Governments have criminalized the practice of managing your own health.
I have the feeling that they’re not a British trans person talking about the NHS, or an American in a red state panicking about dying of sepsis because the baby they wanted so badly miscarried.
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I think there is value in giving people the tools and knowledge to make more involved decisions about their health, but using that sort of libertarian rhetoric in the covid era is at best really fucking irresponsible.
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why they even are there
(from observation over some years) congress orga more than occasionally fucks up on paradox of tolerance by letting shit like this through
it’s been a thing I’ve noticed and have wanted to actually discuss with some folks, but never really gotten to yet on account of life stuff
there were also the much, much less grey-area instances a couple of years back where they were far too open to a number of abusers (this was around the time the appelbaum shit hit wide daylight), so there is a possibility that the issue runs deeper (in a structural sense, at best; personal sense, at worst) too but I possess insufficient information to know one way or the other what exactly may constitute the problem here
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I don’t wanna pull national stereotypes here but aren’t Germans really quite open about stuff like homeopathy? “be your own pharmacist” sounds like right up that alley
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I haven’t really got enough information about that side of it, the details I have to go on are mostly about things particularly around the values CCC has tried to hold/build (and even there I am absolutely not intimately familiar, for reasons of distance and exposure and such)
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Theres a long rich history of German alt med. also (postwar) witch trials, if I can find the book I read on all this I’ll try to post.
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whoah that looks interesting, how can I access it (semi-)legally?
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Its on annas and amazon.
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also on my fav book torrent tracker - even has an audiobook version!
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Yes, I can confirm this is true. Homeopathy is really accepted here and is even covered by most health insurances.
There is even a passage in the pharmaceutical law that specifically excludes homeopathic shit from having to prove its effectiveness (they only have to prove it’s not hurting anyone, and the rules for that are much laxer than for other medicine). It’s absolutely baffling.
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There also is a lot of homeopathic meds in the Netherlands, dont know about the legal status, do know it didnt help much with my hayfever as a kid.
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update: it’s out and recorded streaming.media.ccc.de/38c3/relive/316 also update on intentionally bricked trains story from year ago streaming.media.ccc.de/38c3/relive/336
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