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Written by javi@goblin.band on 2024-12-20 at 17:47

If you don't work in the WordPress ecosystem, you may not understand how HUGE this post is

https://joost.blog/wordpress-leadership/

Joost is probably the second biggest figure in the entire WP ecosystem, only after Matt M himself. He is the biggest voice from the "Enterprise WordPress" world.

This is not anymore open source contributors complaining about governance. This is the Business WordPress demanding a leadership change and suggesting it either happens or a hard fork, backed by big business, is on the way.

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Written by javi@goblin.band on 2024-12-20 at 19:18

To be clear, Joost doesn't mention a hard fork, but one of the things he demands is moving from WordPress' centralized plugins and themes repository to a "federated and independent" repositories, and he mention this needs AND CAN be done whether MM agrees or not. I don't see any way to do this against MM wishes that doesn't end in a fork

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Written by Korrupt on 2024-12-20 at 18:43

@javi I think i get maybe some of the implications and know a* little bit* about the backgrounds, but nevertheless i'm actually undecided on "heh, cool", "well, shit" or "hm, popcorn".

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Written by movation on 2024-12-21 at 08:15

@korrupt @javi why not all of that (feel ya)

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Written by The Nexus of Privacy on 2024-12-20 at 18:50

@javi wow. Really great point about this signalling where Enterprise Wordpress is. Looks like Matt's got a lot to think about on his holiday break.

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Written by René Seindal on 2024-12-20 at 19:04

@thenexusofprivacy @javi

He's already refused to collaborate in a comment.

He clearly wants control more then he wants community.

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Written by The Nexus of Privacy on 2024-12-20 at 19:13

Yeah. But he's not going to get what he wants here, so has to decide between burning it down and taking another strategy.

@seindal @javi

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Written by Steve Herrick on 2024-12-20 at 19:12

@javi I can't tell if this is good news or bad. I don't like the idea of corporate control of OSS, but I do like the idea of corporations contributing time and/or money to OSS. So, maybe it's a question of any one corporation having an outsized voice. If the power balance is roughly equal, they will be incentivized to create code that favors transparency and interoperability. Hopefully.

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Written by javi@goblin.band on 2024-12-20 at 19:21

Honestly, neither do I. It's a escalation of the situation, for sure. No idea what's going to happen next

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Written by Steve Herrick on 2024-12-20 at 23:22

@javi It's enough to make one examine one's options.

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Written by ophiocephalic 🐍 on 2024-12-20 at 21:44

@javi

Just noting: Interesting that he's calling for a decentralized network of federated repos; not as an ideological abstraction, but because it can be the practical solution to a problem, which originates as a centralization of power

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Written by Darnell Clayton :verified: on 2024-12-21 at 13:18

@javi I wonder if @joost will do a “soft” fork instead‽ Basically it would reduce friction with the #WordPress community & they could introduce ideas that were desired albeit ignored by the community.

But yeah, with this lawsuit going on, I do not see @WordPress changing their board anytime soon.

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Written by javi@goblin.band on 2024-12-21 at 16:16

My guess is that would be his first choice. But with Matt being against it, I don't see it being a feasible option: WordPress core is full of hardcoded references to the centralized repo, it's hard to change that without breaking compatibility.

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Written by Darnell Clayton :verified: on 2024-12-21 at 16:38

@javi Yeah, after reading through the comments on @joost post, it is clear that @photomatt is encouraging a fork (for better or worse).

A fork might be a good idea. It could also end the silly legal drama between WP Engine & @wordpressdotcom, as the former will probably pivot towards using the fork.

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Written by javi@goblin.band on 2024-12-21 at 16:22

Also, in the comments of the post MM himself tells Joost he is free to do it, but be better calls it something else. The moment the brand changes, if some of the big hosting companies decide to go with the new brand (and after WPE they have all the incentives), WordPress can find itself being the smaller part of the fork soon.

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Written by Darnell Clayton :verified: on 2024-12-21 at 16:30

@javi Well, WordPress itself is a fork of B2, & they surpassed them. Something similar could happen here as well.

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Written by Andrew on 2024-12-21 at 18:56

@javi i feel like mattt is still thinking of the wordpress brand as worth what it was worth in August

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Written by Seth :rebel: :fist_raised: ⁂ on 2024-12-21 at 20:14

@javi @dusoft Yea, this is huge

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Written by Reinder Dijkhuis Does Art on 2024-12-23 at 08:26

@javi TIL that the second-most important person in WordPress is a guy who asks ChatGPT things. The project is doomed.

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Written by javi@goblin.band on 2024-12-23 at 08:29

Oh the MOST importantv person in the project is an AI maximalist that believe even the smaller piece of hype on the field, so asking chatGPT for a servicing l definition is nothing 😂

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Written by Mystery Babylon on 2024-12-23 at 10:41

@javi 👀

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