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Written by renebekkers on 2024-12-17 at 14:20

Open question: what do you consider as "data"? How would you define "data"?

[#]data #datascience #rdm #fair

Background: I'm on a national committee developing guidelines for data design, collection, sharing and storage. We want an inclusive definition, capturing the full range of traditions in the social and behavioral sciences, from ethnography to RCT #openscience #transparency

We didn't know a common accepted definition - all suggestions are welcome!

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Written by El Duvelle on 2024-12-17 at 14:29

@renebekkers something that is true about the observable world?

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Written by renebekkers on 2024-12-17 at 15:35

@elduvelle thanks! I'd think though that data are not necessarily about observable phenomena. Then we would leave out information about dreams, fears, and the like. Also data are not necessarily true, I would think

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Written by El Duvelle on 2024-12-17 at 15:40

@renebekkers Interesting!

I don't think we have data about our "emotions", instead we get data about what people tell you about their emotions. And if you properly report what they tell you then it's a (true) data point.

False data ... Is not data IMO

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Written by renebekkers on 2024-12-17 at 16:10

@elduvelle Ah, I see. Sometimes people have false impressions about "the observable world". Do I get it right that you'd consider these impressions also as "observable" in their answers to questions about them, e.g. in surveys or interviews?

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Written by El Duvelle on 2024-12-17 at 16:30

@renebekkers yes :) like, a poll contains data about the beliefs of the people answering the poll, right?

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Written by renebekkers on 2024-12-17 at 21:50

@elduvelle agreed. One thing I struggle with is synthetic data, e.g. from simulations. What would be the observable world corresponding to them?

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Written by El Duvelle on 2024-12-17 at 22:02

@renebekkers "Synthetic data" or "simulated data" is pretty good in that case, and the world they describe is defined by the parameters of the simulation?

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Written by renebekkers on 2024-12-17 at 22:14

@elduvelle yes - information about a hypothetical world that is only observable in the simulation

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Written by manisha on 2024-12-17 at 14:38

@renebekkers very good question and thank you for asking others to weigh in! I think the wikipedia article does a decent job of covering lots of bases: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data

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Written by ansuz / ऐरन on 2024-12-17 at 15:10

@manisha @renebekkers

I had to search for a little bit to find where I'd come across the phrase before, but this paper says

"Data Are Socially Constructed for a Purpose"

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/10497323211015960

Similar themes are discussed in

"Data Feminism"

https://data-feminism.mitpress.mit.edu/

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Written by renebekkers on 2024-12-17 at 15:31

@ansuz @manisha thanks for this reference! The article says about data from interviews: "data included not just what was said during an interview, for example, but also how it was told and the conditions under which it was reported". I would think that the things people say, how they say them and in which context are not data themselves. But they can become data when they are captured in photographs, recordings, field notes, and numbers in databases

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