Ancestors

Written by Brendan Zab on 2024-11-18 at 05:15

Wondering if “Build Systems à la Carte” https://doi.org/10.1017/S0956796820000088 could be used for implementing reactive user interfaces 🤔

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Written by Brendan Zab on 2024-11-18 at 05:26

I’ve been thinking along these lines because I’d like to try using build systems for implementing query-based language tooling (see https://ollef.github.io/blog/posts/query-based-compilers.html), and it would be neat if similar infrastructure could be re-used for other things.

I could be missing some key challenges however – not being an expert in either domain.

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Written by Brendan Zab on 2024-12-02 at 23:12

Does anyone have any context to how things went with the Static DOM and Purview stuff Phil Freeman was working on in Purescript?

• https://blog.functorial.com/posts/2018-03-12-You-Might-Not-Need-The-Virtual-DOM.html

• https://blog.functorial.com/posts/2018-04-08-Incrementally-Improving-The-DOM.html

From what I’ve seen Purview seems relatively lightweight https://github.com/paf31/purescript-purview (including the library it’s based on) and learning about the incremental lambda calculus might be handy, so might be worth a quick experiment… I’m mainly curious to know if there’s any pitfalls to be aware of.

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Written by mb21 on 2024-11-18 at 07:19

@brendan it seems like it should, right? but not sure whether you get “glitch-free” reactivity that way. Have you seen the blog series by Solid.js’ Ryan: https://dev.to/this-is-learning/derivations-in-reactivity-4fo1

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Written by Brendan Zab on 2024-11-18 at 09:59

@mb21 Interesting! Not sure about the glitch free reactivity… will have to think about that.

The phases of reactivity are giving me something to ponder. I guess I was hoping that a better understanding of dependencies between components could help simplify the render effect phase, and possibly avoiding the need for a virtual DOM? Not sure.

The way user effects are executed in a single phase is interesting… I wonder if algebraic effects could help here. I know React was inspired a bit by them, not sure if this is why.

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Written by mb21 on 2024-11-18 at 07:34

@brendan btw. do you know of a static site generator that works in this way? seems that for the final static build it’s usually implemented as a pipeline, but for the dev server (or some dynamic routes you want to server-side-render) you would want a query-based system.

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Written by Brendan Zab on 2024-11-18 at 10:00

@mb21 No idea! I’ve been wanting to make my own, mini SSG based on the build system stuff sometime. I know the 1Lab was using Shake at one stage for generating their pages, not sure if they still are.

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