In re: some conversations I've had in other places (real and online)
A lot of people in leftist circles seem to begin conversations on step 8 and are surprised when the person they're talking to isn't receptive.
Ya gotta start on step 1.
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There's a whole host of good people out there who - believe it or not! - are still using cold war vocabulary. They have not read the theory and whipping out "capitalism bad" freaks them the fuck out.
They usually want the same thing as you do, but it's your job to help them see it. And it starts with meeting them where they're at. Step 1.
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I'm waiting. Unless you are redefining terms, "capitalism bad," is just ignorant.
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Part of the problem is that, for most people and almost certainly including you, “capitalism” denoted a grab-bag of mutually incompatible ideas.
Capitalism as it actually exists, which is how its proponents intend it to exist, is an atrocity.
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