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Written by Anders Puck Nielsen on 2024-11-06 at 07:18

How many European countries will have nuclear weapons in four years?

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Written by Simon Gray on 2024-11-06 at 07:46

@anderspuck Hasn't the Ukraine war sort of showed us that nukes don't really matter?

What would Ukraine or some other power having nukes change?

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Written by Anders Puck Nielsen on 2024-11-06 at 07:50

@simongray On the contrary. The Ukraine war has shown us that nuclear weapons are game changers. If Russia had not been a nuclear power, NATO would have stopped the war a long time ago.

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Written by Simon Gray on 2024-11-06 at 07:57

@anderspuck True, but I also find this somewhat paradoxical.

What would it change for Ukraine? I don't see a situation where they would use them, just like Russia isn't using nukes now.

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Written by Simon Gray on 2024-11-06 at 07:58

@anderspuck I'm probably desensitised from the constant nuclear threats we've been hearing on Russian TV.

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Written by Anders Puck Nielsen on 2024-11-06 at 08:06

@simongray There is an asymmetry in the perception of escalation risks right now, which has led to reduced help for Ukraine. The U.S. and Germany are just much more concerned about what Putin might do than about Ukraine. If Ukraine had nuclear weapons there would paradoxically be a stronger incentive to help them.

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Written by chris@strafpla.net on 2024-11-07 at 01:28

@anderspuck @simongray This is a very interesting point, thanks!

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