Pluralistic: Bluesky and enshittification (02 Nov 2024) – Cory Doctorow
https://feddit.uk/post/19449926
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Thanks for sharing. Reminds me of a few memes on !fedimemes@feddit.uk with their fake federation
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I wouldn’t call Bluesky’s federation fake, we’d need a working definition of ‘federation’ for that, but I would say it lacks meaningful federation.
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It’s probably more fair to call its claim of being decentralized fake or disingenuous. There doesn’t seem to be any way to participate in the ecosystem without going through the Bluesky relay, a central point of failure with strong incentives to eventually do something shitty.
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If only one could move old posts etc over to a new account and truly migrate servers on Mastodon
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Sharkey allows it
can import your exported posts from Mastodon and most of its forks, Pleroma / Akkoma, Misskey / Firefish and forks, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, including attachments (threading may not work perfectly, and other people’s replies to your posts may not get imported)
docs.joinsharkey.org/docs/comparison/misskey/
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This is exactly why I’m also not that interested in Bluesky. It’s not decentralized in a way that makes it resilient to a Musk-style takeover.
PDSs are cool, Mastodon can learn something from Bluesky’s tech stack. But Mastodon made the right choices from the beginning to be decentralized for resiliency.
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I don’t want to sound like I’m just correcting you for the sake of it, but it’s actually important. Mastodon is the most popular right now, but Mastodon actually wasn’t around at the beginning! Before that was StatusNet, and before that was identi.ca and laconi.ca
So those services already existed, they were the ones built for federation, and so Mastodon was started as another compatible implementation of an existing network protocol. All of that is to say that Mastodon didn’t need to make the right choices at the beginning, and they have already benefitted from this kind of network dynamic! The system has already worked once!
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It’s not outside capital that leads to enshittification, it’s leverage that enshittifies a service.
Technically more precise, but for companies the leverage doesn’t really exist without the outside capital. Musk taking over twitter was the use of capital to get the leverage.
I can’t think of any business where the owner did a 180 without catering to outside capital or the company being bought out by outside capital.
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Did something specific already happen with Bluesky, or are people just expecting it because VC vultures now have their claws in it?
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The entire protocol design of BlueSky reeks of bait&switch, but yes right now it is mainly the intensified expectation that it will happen sooner or later.
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Gotcha. Yeah I choose to use Mastodon, I’d much rather support the open community built option than the option built by a company with a profit motive, I just try to stay in the loop about stuff
Thanks for the answer :)
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No, but the whole point of Doctorow’s Enshittification essay is that it inevitably will. In the same way animals keep evolving into crabs, social media companies will keep turning into shit because the market incentives push them that way.
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But here’s the thing: all those other platforms, the ones where I unwisely allowed myself to get locked in, where today I find myself trapped by the professional, personal and political costs of leaving them, they were all started by people who swore they’d never sell out. I know those people, the old blogger mafia who started the CMSes, social media services, and publishing platforms where I find myself trapped. I considered them friends (I still consider most of them friends), and I knew them well enough to believe that they really cared about their users.
They did care about their users. They just cared about other stuff, too, and, when push came to shove, they chose the worsening of their services as the lesser of two evils.
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My god it doesn’t have to be so “on or off”! There are plenty of ways to create a post and it sends it directly to Mastodon AND Bluesky. Build both audiences because there’s a good chance that you’ll be connecting with very different groups of people.
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It’s really funny because Cory always champions POSSE. Post (on)own site, share everywhere.
And it’s funny because he mostly does that.
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What does that have to do with Cory’s concerns? They don’t want to build an audience on Bluesky because that promotes Bluesky, a dangerous place to build up, in the view given by the article. It would be neglectful to let it gain enough power to become a Twitter 2.0, we have an opportunity to prevent us repeating history.
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I’ll use it for now while it’s good and ditch it if/when it enshittifies just as I ditched Reddit and Twitter. The mistake I won’t repeat is relying on it. If I have to bail, it won’t be difficult this time.
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Blusky has 13 millions registered users but what about their monthly active users?
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Looks like stats are posted here: bsky.jazco.dev/stats
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So around 10%?
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The switching cost point is profound and real. You might just see that same dynamic at your place of employment.
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One of the big turning points for Facebook for them to increase the difficulty of switching was cutting off RSS as a way to syndicate content into Facebook. After that, content had to be manually created in Facebook, instead of automatically imported from a third party source based on standard protocols. This forced people away from their chosen content authoring system into Facebook’s opinionated, inflexible, ad infested walled garden.
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