Windows 10 only has a year of support: 12 months left to keep Copilot off your desktop or learn Linux
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You think the US govt will let MS drop 2/3rds of US citizens laptops from support?
I think some senators will hold a hearing to grandstand about security and forced obsolescence and MS will be shamed into extending the support window a couple more years.
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They only switched from XP what, less than 10 years ago?
I think the hospital my mother works at was using XP for all of their computers until like 2018-2019
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But most hospital computers won’t be exposed to internet right? And they probably run a bunch of propriety software that only supports xp so makes sense it took them a long time.
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Windows 10 is over 10 years old at this point. Microsoft learned from XP It can’t live forever.
Businesses typically lease their machines for 2-3 years so they all support 11. And do you really think the government cares about regular citizens? lol.
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Meanwhile the US govt:
says nothing because it has its mouth full of corporate cock
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i doubt any of the dinosaurs in congress even know what an operating system is
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What will the government do themselves? I think they are still running 10, and I haven’t heard of any announcements from agencies switching.
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Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019 has a 10 year support window, and subsequent LTSC versions, 5 years. If you can get your hands on one of these licences you would presumably continue to receive security patches. If the US government is somehow not running on this kind of licence, it would be pretty funny, but I’m sure Microsoft would be lenient and let them jump onto whatever compatible LTSC version given its an American company.
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I’m waiting for Microsoft to inevitably be forced to keep supporting 10 for free[^1] longer than they planned, because 11 uptake just isn’t fast enough.
What happened with 7 will happen with 10, and they’ll end up supporting it for another year or two.
Microsoft is trying damn hard to not care about consumers, but the consumer market still matters, so I suspect angry customers will force their hand.
[^1]: They already plan on charging money to keep supporting 10 past it’s end-of-life date, but I suspect this will have a lot of angry pushback that will result in at least a year or two of free updates.
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Most likely an unpopular opinion, but I took this opportunity to try something new and make the switch to macOS at home as my daily device. If I do end up gaming, I’ll probably just get myself a Steam Deck.
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You’re already closer to using Linux by doing so. Lots of people are unaware that macOS continues to be Certified UNIX. Lots of the command line tools function very similarly to their Linux counterparts.
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This is actually why I use macOS at work - I wasn’t able to get a Linux box approved by IT but they happily support macOS and I get to use basically all the same software I do on Linux.
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Which ironically also requires you do buy a new device
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The irony isn’t lost on me!
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And Apple is also pushing its own omnipresent AI.
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After switching to Mac OS I have 0 interest in using Linux on my actual conputer. I still have windows machine for work, and my servers are all Linux. But any machine I want to use is gonna run Mac.
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to keep Copilot off your desktop or learn Linux
For me it’s one year to keep Windows Mixed Reality working. I’m still miffed that they pulled the plug with no alternative other than putting my headset in the bin and get a new one…
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If you haven't looked into it Monando might be what you need to keep your headset running. May not work for your headset (doesn't for mine but mines not WMR and is because of my 8kx's driver)
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I already did back when Microsoft announced they would drop WMR, but it was (and still is) pretty experimental, with no controller support and 6DoF requiring external tracking.
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There is experimental 6dof tracking now IIRC. LVRA is a great place for VR linux info.
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All I need is a native, feature complete, Nvidia GeForce Now Linux client. It is literally the only reason I keep a Windows installation around.
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Native? Isnt it a web app?
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The web app that runs on browsers, Linux, etc., only supports 1080p/60fps. The native client for Windows and Mac can run at high resolution and max settings and fps.
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“Learn” linux not even a requirement, a lot of distros work fine as a normal-person-os out of the box (Ubuntu & any of its spin-offs, Manjaro, Deepin, etc), with maybe some minimal youtube/forum troubleshooting, probably comparable with the amount you would do on windows.
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Eh, I’d say the biggest learning curve is updates and how they’re generally password protected.
It’s actually not straightforward to a new Linux user how to bypass entering your password every time there are updates, and with how often Linux updates, this can create headaches and confusion for new users.
Especially with coming from Windows and being used to Microsoft arbitrarily forcing updates in the background. They are confused because Microsoft gave them zero control, while Linux actually gives them full control, and that can be confusing when you’re used to updates being forced on you in the background.
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KDE Discover does my updates without passwords just fine
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only flatpaks
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my ostree updates fine
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Sorry, little experience with immutable systems, I didn’t know they could update without a password.
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Gnome Software does updates without a password. On my fedora machine, it will even download updates automatically.
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I wish this was true, but that’s not the reality. If things are not exactly the same, people lose any common sense they may have had.
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The last time I had to troubleshoot windows I was running 98 or XP I believe.
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Win10 gets Copilot as well. Pushed without consent. Likewise if you use a program like InControl to lock W11 to 22H2, you can keep copilot at bay. For a time.
Switching to any other platform is better though. Screw them.
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There are many many business customers that can’t use copilot. They are not going to tell them to just lock into an old insecure version. You’ll be able to disable it, at the very least, on a Pro license using Group Policy.
Like everything else Microsoft does that has legal implications regarding PII.
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I use O&O ShutUp
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Yes, Chris Titus tool did it for me.
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Christ Titus the comedian?
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Chris Titus the Linux mastermind
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Are these the same person or is there two Chris Titus’s
I’m so confused :(
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Two different people
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I got this joke lol
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Lol, that’d be good
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Completely bullshit, garbage clickbait title.
Windows 10 is near EoL, however that’s for Home/Pro/Enterprise versions, you can move to one of those for more time:
To be fair I don’t really believe that Microsoft will kill it when they say they will. And even if they do it, porting security updates from those LTSC versions into the regular ones might be doable.
Now on Windows 11:
You can just disable copilot and all the other garbage using group policy, now that hard and you’ll end up with essentially Windows 10.
xda-developers.com/how-disable-microsoft-copilot/
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They hated him because he spoke the truth.
porting security updates from those LTSC versions into the regular ones might be doable.
The way will likely be to just adjust some registry keys to force Windows Update to pull from the LTSC update channel. That’s been the solution for ages, no “porting” needed.
Group Policy
I’ve lost count of how many of these articles have been posted on Lemmy screaming that the sky was falling over something you can switch off with three clicks and a scroll (Start, Settings, Personalization, scroll to the bottom and click the final switch). Group policy may be beyond the general skill level, which makes the constant Linux suggestions even more laughable.
Like you, I regularly direct people to group policy (and even how to safely activate Windows with a fake Pro license so they can get Group Policy). Fighting an uphill battle.
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Group policy may be beyond the general skill level, which makes the constant Linux suggestions even more laughable.
Ahaha yeah, I’ve said that SO MANY times. People have issues setting a few toggles on a point-and-click UI but then it is okay to suddenly move to a entirely different OS that most likely won’t have the software they’re used to and requires terminal skills to deal with most things. Laughable indeed.
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requires terminal skills to deal with most things
Have you actually used linux? Terminal is optional. Most linux users use it because it’s rad, not because it’s necessary.
Digging through the registry or searching ad laden websites to find where a new setting or old menu is buried is more time consuming than typing man or tldr . The latter is to improve my system and the former to prevent a private company from making it worse.
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As a former Windows user: this is true, you can disable most of the features you don’t like. I was doing that for many Windows versions, from 98 to 10.
However it was indeed fighting an uphill battle: there was more and more BS with every update, I felt that I couldn’t trust my computer, I had to check forums in order to know what’s the newest thing to turn off.
I am happier now without Windows, even though I had to learn a few new apps.
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Doesn’t group policy tweaks gets reverted on update or something like that? I heard about this group policy workaround and also heard something that said it wasn’t that great of a solution.
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No, that’s a myth. Registry edits may revert in some cases yes, but group policy is different as it designed exactly to configure machines in a stable way.
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Glad to hear that. After trying to linux and not having a great experience, I am forced to comeback to Windows. Will try these out next time.
On that note, do we have some good Windows forks/builds which remove the bloat for us? I heard about lot of them, not sure which one is actually worth trying.
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You should not trust those builds. Everything you need to know is documented here: …microsoft.com/…/manage-connections-from-windows-…
Windows 10/11 Enterprise is recommended as that’s the version where Microsoft can’t fuck up.
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I’ve used Linux on and off for a long time but I’m stuck with Windows for now because redoing my Plex library would be a huge ball-ache.
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Why would switching require redoing your Plex library?
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Probably because it’s hosted on a Windows machine.
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It’s probably a me problem, but I ran into some issues with the mount points resetting on reboot.
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Can’t you export your library / media settings and only have to change file paths or mnt points?
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Probably gonna keep my desktop running win10 by then because I’ll hopefully have a new desktop by then that I can easily set up Linux on. Got too much on my desktop to move over and I certainly don’t know any tools able to make the process any easier.
Probably gonna just use it as an experimental PC that I can test out server related things on.
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You could just add another hard drive, install Linux on it, than access all your files on the old hard drive exactly where they are.
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If nothing else, I might look into something like that.
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I’m adding debian to the drive on a ten plus year old laptop as we speak. It’s taking forever because I have to do part of it manually but usually it takes less than an hour and is mostly idiot proof (my current project is on its 3rd week so I am just a special kind of idiot) but a small lightweight distro alongside the windows partition is an easy way to give old hardware new life without migrating data.
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