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Written by Shonalika on 2024-10-09 at 11:14

fascinated from like a sociological perspective at people misgendering me when referencing latest video despite the fact that I very visibly have no tits

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Written by Shonalika on 2024-10-09 at 11:16

NOT that I am implying tit-having should or shouldn't imply any particular gender

but on the flip side, how many body parts do I gotta cut off to get gendered correctly in this place

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Written by Shonalika on 2024-10-09 at 11:18

I'd understand if it was an opaque fabric but like. that's lace. you can literally see through it. there's nothing there. you'd think that would at least make people stop and think for a second

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Written by Shonalika on 2024-10-09 at 11:26

my theory is people make a snap judgement based on outfit and makeup in much the same way as as long-haired men are frequently gendered as women by children

a general presentation which otherwise reads femme is apparently enough to override this one extremely obvious genderfucky element

which is genuinely really interesting to me

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Written by Shonalika on 2024-10-09 at 11:33

P.S I shouldn't have to say this but since this thread has already attracted the attention of some transphobic morons:

when I say 'how many body parts do I gotta cut off to get gendered correctly in this place' I am being facetious.

that is not why I got top surgery. I did an entire video on this for anyone interested

validation from others would not be a good reason given that being automatically gendered nonbinary in the wider world is likely never going to happen

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Written by GunChleoc on 2024-10-09 at 11:18

@shonalika I must admit that I read you as female as well - sorry about that 😅

So, I'll assume your pronouns are he/him from now on.

Maybe it's because I'm not into girls, so I don't stare at tits - which means that I won't notice 🤭

You still have a free profile field - maybe put your pronouns in there? 🤔

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Written by Shonalika on 2024-10-09 at 11:20

@gunchleoc my pronouns are literally the first line in my bio

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Written by GunChleoc on 2024-10-09 at 11:28

@shonalika Oops, I completely overlooked them. One of my brain-farts 😱

they/them it is! 👍

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Written by PMDH-3A29.nico on 2024-10-09 at 11:28

@shonalika I've been having some very weird experiences with gender assumptions as a transfem being who tends recently to bind and present more masc, it's interesting that seems to be confusing to folks when I'd assume the ""obvious"" assumption would be to gender me male. It seems I genuinely am getting less folks assuming I'm a man than when I try and present fem, which is weird and I wish I understood it

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Written by Shonalika on 2024-10-09 at 11:38

@soweliniko idk why but just the 'which is weird and I wish I understood it' at the end is sending me, I feel like that's so much of the trans experience

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Written by Talya (she/her) 🏳️‍⚧️✡️ on 2024-10-09 at 11:51

@shonalika @soweliniko

cis people's understanding of gender is really weird. my working theory is that they tend to have one characteristic they're more predisposed to judge according to (which varies from person to person), and there's also a bias towards the first characteristic they saw.

so for example, since my voice is not that femme, a person who heard my voice before seeing me and a person with predisposition for voice will both be likelier to judge me as male.

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Written by (Matthew)=> 🏳️‍🌈🇿🇦🎮💻📖 on 2024-10-09 at 11:51

@shonalika Not just by children. I get gendered as a woman by adults pretty frequently. I'm not exactly the deepest voiced muscled bound man, I am visibly a queerboat floating on an ocean of zest, but that plus long hair means I get ma'amed on the daily. I don't really mind, but yeah, I imagine if I was transmasc this would be beyond frustrating.

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Written by Off On One on 2024-10-09 at 11:52

@mdstevens0612 @shonalika 'a queerboat floating on an ocean of zest' I love this

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Written by Shonalika on 2024-10-09 at 11:58

@welshpixie @mdstevens0612 strong agree

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Written by undead enby of the apocalypse on 2024-10-13 at 11:13

@shonalika @mdstevens0612 it is… there used to be a time when I even considered getting short hair just because I was so frustrated about the fact that they will always assume me to be female when I have long hair unless I obtain some hypermasculine traits which I don’t want even if I could get them (very visible beard, or being super muscular, stuff like that). But I like having long hair and I refuse to let people’s perception of me / gender norms determine how I present myself. (In fact I delight in gender fuckery. And if they make wrong assumptions about me that is on them, not my responsibility to fix, even though it does hurt a lot)

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Written by undead enby of the apocalypse on 2024-10-13 at 11:56

@shonalika @mdstevens0612 my perspective might be a bit different than that of a binary trans man though, since there’s no way to pass as nonbinary, and so many, not all, nonbinary people, including me, mostly give up on passing (there definitely are a significant number of nonbinary people who choose to pursue passing as one of the binary genders because it feels less wrong than the other binary gender, and/or for safety reasons). I wonder what binary trans men think about all of this. I feel like it’s very rare to see binary trans men who have kept long hair throughout their entire transitions, most get or already have short hair around the start of their transitions, and if they grow it out they often do so well into transition. Which makes sense considering the pressure to pass.

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Written by LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 on 2024-10-09 at 11:23

@shonalika

Did you know:

Men don't need their boobs cut

Men don't use pronouns they/them

Men don't use a woman on profile picture

Men don't complain about misgendering

I am sorry you disfigured yourself in order to mislead people, but there is nothing wrong with being a woman. Just live your life FFS.

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Written by Ellie (batteries not included) on 2024-10-09 at 11:49

@shonalika

okay I'll do my best to reconstruct the logic:

translucent outfits are gay, you don't sound like a stereotypical gay guy, therefore she/her?

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