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Written by gram on 2024-09-18 at 05:55

Modern HTML, CSS, JS, and WebAPI are huge and complicated, and writing your own browser from scratch is almost impossible. It leads to only few alternatives available, and it gives them too much power. We need more diversity. So, here's the deal:

1. We make specs for a small subset of HTML, CSS, JS, and WebAPI that is just enough.

2. You make a browser that can render just that.

3. I make all my websites work in it.

Let's build a truly #IndieWeb.

[#]chrome #firefox

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Written by mgorny-nyan (he) :autism:🙀🚂🐧 on 2024-09-18 at 05:57

@orsinium, just make websites that work in elinks. Problem solved.

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Written by Mark Gardner on 2024-09-18 at 06:03

@orsinium We already have a @w3c standard for that called XHTML Basic: https://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/

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Written by :mima_rule: Mima-sama on 2024-09-18 at 08:28

@mjgardner@social.sdf.org There's also HTML 4.01 for those who don't want to deal with XML, as well as CSS 2.1 and ECMAScript 5. Though for JS in browsers I would probably go for ES6 or ES2017 at least to support pretty much all use-cases out there. But if you're a website developer then opt for the older ES5 instead.

The first step to a truly #openweb is to bring back caring about backwards compatibility.

@orsinium@fosstodon.org @w3c@w3c.social

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Written by Mark Gardner on 2024-09-19 at 00:14

@mima @w3c I think @orsinium wanted less markup, and while it’s true #HTML 4.xx had less than #HTML5 (yay explosion of semantic and multimedia elements), it's still a lot and #XHTML Basic is even more cut down.

The point is that there is a standard for a smaller HTML-based markup language (check https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/SPSD-xhtml-basic-20180327/#s_xhtmlmodules — it's a short list of elements!) and it's better to start there as it's easier to add things to a standard than take them away.

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Written by TenLinuxak on 2024-09-18 at 06:05

@orsinium where can I join XD

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Written by Jak2k 🦀🐧 on 2024-09-18 at 15:14

@orsinium Absolutely great idea! :ablobcathappypaws: Did you already create a Codeberg/Sourcehut-repo? Sourcehut also has mailing lists.

I think it should be:

• Semantic: nav, header, footer, main have a meaning.

• Compatible: Adding additional elements & stuff for full browsers is ok.

• Content first: How it was intended.

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