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Written by morrowind@lemmy.ml on 2024-09-17 at 19:40

Meet DAVE: Discord’s New End-to-End Encryption for Audio & Video

https://lemmy.ml/post/20406991

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Written by GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 2024-09-17 at 19:42

Huh

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Written by velox_vulnus@lemmy.ml on 2024-09-17 at 19:46

These people provide outdated, bloated Electron. As if I am going to trust them.

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Written by yonder@sh.itjust.works on 2024-09-18 at 01:58

bro, just use firefox or Librewolf or something.

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Written by velox_vulnus@lemmy.ml on 2024-09-18 at 04:37

I am content with Matrix and IRC. Discord is a privacy nightmare.

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Written by Autonomous User on 2024-09-17 at 20:52

False, this is a lie. Discord is anti-libre software. We do not control it. It fails to include a libre software license text file.

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Written by thesmokingman@programming.dev on 2024-09-17 at 22:02

Interesting. I was able to access the linked whitepaper and repositories without trouble and the 3rd party stuff too. Do you have local config preventing you from downloading the source code to review?

While I can respect your distaste for non-libre software, you’ll need to back up the malware claim. There are real security concerns out there in common non-libre; labeling things that are not libre as malware solely because they are not libre muddies the waters and makes your message much less palatable.

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Written by Autonomous User on 2024-09-17 at 23:10

You think the whole app is one lib? While it keeps banning us from proving its claims, they’ll never infect my devices.

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Written by morrowind@lemmy.ml on 2024-09-17 at 23:20

what the hell are you doing that you keep being banned from discord?

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Written by Autonomous User on 2024-09-17 at 23:25

It’s anti-libre software. We do not control it.

It bans us from modifying its source code, sharing exact and modifies versions, using it for any purpose, etc.

You’ve never heard of copyright law?

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Written by toastal@lemmy.ml on 2024-09-18 at 06:40

Why put the effort into such a hostile service?

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Written by Autonomous User on 2024-09-18 at 10:04

You replied to the wrong comment?

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Written by toastal@lemmy.ml on 2024-09-18 at 12:52

Responding broadly to the thread of folks talking about userScripts & add-ons. This effort would be better put to getting folks to a different protocol where client modification & alternate clients are the norm.

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Written by Autonomous User on 2024-09-18 at 13:37

Trying telling the other guy.

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Written by Blxter on 2024-09-18 at 10:54

I’ve been using a modified client for about 2 and a half years now without being banned.

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Written by Autonomous User on 2024-09-18 at 11:03

Show us Discord’s whole source code.

Discord bans us from modifing its source code and more. We don’t control it.

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Written by thesmokingman@programming.dev on 2024-09-18 at 01:34

The claim is that audio and video are E2EE. I’m not sure how you’re unable to disprove that using the linked code, audit report, and COTS debugging tools. Can you expand on that? I see a lot of FUD without anything more than “they’re not libre” which, again, doesn’t do a great job of selling your point.

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Written by Autonomous User on 2024-09-18 at 10:02

Do you think anyone will wsste their lifr going knee deep in disassembled binaries for on every update of every app on all their devices? 🚩

It has shown it’s openly hostile. How stupid and gullable do you think I am?

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Written by thesmokingman@programming.dev on 2024-09-18 at 12:45

In another post you’re actively looking at purchasing GPS systems. The satellites you’re sending info to are not available to dissect and I highly doubt the firmware of the devices you’re looking at is publicly available much less libre. Your trolling is not internally consistent so it’s clear you don’t have any clue what you’re on about. Good luck with that.

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Written by Autonomous User on 2024-09-18 at 13:01

Do you think I own a satellite?

They are bound by software licenses of their software on their devices. I am bound by my software on my devices. Their software licenses are their problem.

Are you deliberately conflating Anti-Libre Software with Service as a Software Subtitute (SaaSS) or are you trying to teach me copyright law you don’t even know?

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Written by Grey Cat on 2024-09-20 at 20:41

I don’t think you need to send info for a GPS client to work. You are just a receiver, no data sent.

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Written by Eeyore_Syndrome@sh.itjust.works on 2024-09-17 at 21:10

If you believe anything you write or say on discird is private or even would be encrypted, I want whatever you’re smoking please.

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Written by LostXOR on 2024-09-17 at 22:45

Yeah, Discord is not a privacy preserving service in the slightest. Honestly I'm only using it because of the network effect at this point.

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Written by yonder@sh.itjust.works on 2024-09-18 at 01:56

That and it has full functionality in the browser. No bullshit “download the app”.

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Written by als@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 2024-09-17 at 21:43

But not for text?

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Written by ɐɥO on 2024-09-17 at 21:51

nah, selling messages is way easier

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Written by dyc3@lemmy.world on 2024-09-17 at 22:10

It’s interesting that the threat model also includes participants. They take into account that when a user leaves, it should be impossible for them to continue listening.

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Written by Possibly linux on 2024-09-17 at 23:00

screams in Matrix

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Written by Hal-5700X on 2024-09-17 at 22:51

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Written by Possibly linux on 2024-09-17 at 22:59

How will they comply with the US government?

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Written by acockworkorange@mander.xyz on 2024-09-17 at 23:08

That can deliver the days that they do have, which will be encrypted. Though I doubt they were ever recording calls anyway.

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Written by Possibly linux on 2024-09-17 at 23:25

How would the US government be able to see the messages? They need to monitor for young people leaking data from the Pentagon. /s

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Written by Quail4789@lemmy.ml on 2024-09-17 at 23:27

Their TOS says they don’t record but who knows…

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Written by ryannathans@aussie.zone on 2024-09-17 at 23:27

End to end directly to ccp

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Written by Quail4789@lemmy.ml on 2024-09-17 at 23:29

Am I too harsh in believing that if you claim to have E2EE but I can’t verify a) your source code b) my client was built from that source code (i.e. reproducible builds) then you don’t have E2EE? The whole point of encrypting my traffic on the client is I don’t trust you. Why would I believe you aren’t sending the encryption keys off to your server if I didn’t trust you before?

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Written by ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org on 2024-09-18 at 01:28

you aren’t. to me this is just PR

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Written by warmaster@lemmy.world on 2024-09-18 at 02:41

They just mean you now really have to pay to get private data. 🤣

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Written by Chais@sh.itjust.works on 2024-09-18 at 05:15

Am I too harsh […]?

No. If there’s no way to verify anything then all we have to go on is their word.

The word of a company generally isn’t worth a whole lot. Same with Telegram.

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Written by jeffhykin@lemm.ee on 2024-09-18 at 05:25

The clients are source available for telegram though

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Written by Quail4789@lemmy.ml on 2024-09-18 at 09:45

Which is how we know their self-rolled encryption is shit.

There’s a reason why Telegram CEO can be arrested when Signal’s can’t. Because Telegram has information they can give but refuse to whereas Signal give everything they’ve got, which is basically nothing.

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Written by jeffhykin@lemm.ee on 2024-09-18 at 05:24

I mean technically the client is verifiable if you use discord in a browser tab… and verify it every time you load the web page…

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Written by Autonomous User on 2024-09-18 at 11:31

You said it better then me here. I’m stealing your line. 🤣🤣🤣

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Written by JustMarkov@lemmy.ml on 2024-09-18 at 05:04

Welp, better than nothing, right?

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Written by Etterra@lemmy.world on 2024-09-18 at 10:59

No I’m not.

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Written by dingdongitsabear@lemmy.ml on 2024-09-18 at 11:18

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Written by mat@linux.community on 2024-09-18 at 12:16

but why?

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Written by OR3X@lemm.ee on 2024-09-18 at 13:16

Hey Discord, give us the ability to stream audio when sharing our screen on Linux ffs.

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Written by MashedTech@lemmy.world on 2024-09-18 at 13:26

No. 😡

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Written by Lemongrab on 2024-09-18 at 14:50

Vencord/Vesktop supports audio streaming on Linux and is just a generally better experience compared against the Discord official app. Free and open source.

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Written by Blxter on 2024-09-18 at 15:01

+1 for vesktop works great for me

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