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Written by devilish666@lemmy.world on 2024-09-16 at 14:07

Yup...i can confirm that

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Written by HStone32@lemmy.world on 2024-09-16 at 16:33

Sure python may be easier to learn, but it makes learning actual programming more difficult. Ever since the CS department switched to python, my workload as a computer systems TA has doubled.

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Written by Uplink@programming.dev on 2024-09-16 at 20:28

Everybody hating on Java being the de facto language every student learns first (at least back when I was in university) but I think it’s actually a great first language while I don’t think python is for one simple reason: it has types but tries to hide them from you. It is soooo important to understand types early though.

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Written by Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world on 2024-09-16 at 20:53

The main problem with Java (or garbage collected languages in general) as a first language is needing to unlearn the bad habits it ingrains when you move to a systems programming language with manual memory management. Other than that it’s a pretty good first language, though I’d suggest learning a bit of C at the same time just to get a basic grip on things like pointers and stack vs heap.

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Written by BleatingZombie@lemmy.world on 2024-09-16 at 21:35

Strictly-typed languages are the BEST for learning programming. I also like Java for it because there’s a difference between int and Integer (forcing you to learn about objects)

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Written by trainsaresexy on 2024-09-16 at 23:29

The tech school I went to switched from Java to python in the last year and I wasn’t a fan. I think it’s cool how much it assumes but I much prefer the clear structure of Java. There’s so much in python that you just don’t have to think about, but I find thinking about it in Java helps me when I’m stuck.

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Written by acid_falcon@lemmy.world on 2024-09-16 at 23:29

Java was my first language over ten years ago. I haven’t touched it in a decade (I’m mostly a hobbyist). I am grateful that I had to type all that shit out, and grateful that I don’t have to anymore (I’ve been using python since then).

I just recently helped a younger friend with their Java homework. I had to Google the syntax, but otherwise helped them ace it. I’ve mostly used Python since then, but learning java gave me such a good base of the fundamentals

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