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Written by Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 on 2024-08-30 at 23:05

Now that #Brazil has banned Xitter, where are Brazilian people going?

Based on Google Trends, they’re mostly interested in #Bluesky, and to a (much) lesser extent, in #Threads

[#]Mastodon is nowhere to be found, which should immensely worry pro-Fedi people

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Written by Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 on 2024-08-30 at 23:09

[#]Mastodon has been losing users for a long time

Many of us warned that the app was too complicated, the culture too toxic, the economic model not strong enough to sustain a fast-paced development

In just a few months, #Bluesky shipped DMs, major moderation features, third-party moderation, and will soon ship video

The last major Mastodon update was 11 months ago. An eternity.

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Written by Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 on 2024-08-30 at 23:12

It pains me to see #Mastodon in such a dire state

Meta is building and growing #Threads quickly, and Mastodon can only acts as a powerful counterweight if the platform itself is in good shape

Today, it is not

It’s not catastrophic, but the writing is on the wall

And what’s virtually certain is that Mastodon has definitely missed the unique window that Elon Musk opened when he bought Twitter

Such a window won’t reopen soon, and possibly will never happen again

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Written by Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 on 2024-08-30 at 23:16

All of this should be a wake up call for #Mastodon as a community

I’m not super optimistic to be honest, which is why I’ve basically deserted the platform and I’m spending my time on #Bluesky these days

The silver lining of today’s events in Brazil is that even if Mastodon is left out of the equation, another open platform is benefiting from this mess

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Written by Mark Stoneman on 2024-08-31 at 00:37

@o_simardcasanova I don't understand your insistence that this is a three-way horse race in which Mastodon bears responsibilities that you have decided to assign it. Criticizing Mastodon for not being the thing you want it to be is fair when evaluating your options. OTOH, shouting the end is near without discussing the fundamental changes upon which the social web is predicated is bound to earn you shrugs or blank looks. 1/

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Toot

Written by Mark Stoneman on 2024-08-31 at 00:45

@o_simardcasanova

(It doesn't help when you add negative generalizations about user cultures to the mix -- generalizations based on your particular experiences with a server, usage scenario, application[s], social contacts, and so on. ) 2/

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Descendants

Written by Mark Stoneman on 2024-08-31 at 00:52

@o_simardcasanova If you want to make serious arguments in good faith, you need to address the underlying assumptions behind the protocol. You need to consider the ideas motivating the developers and companies who are helping to drive the social web forward.

For a crash course, there is the Dot Social podcast. https://dot-social.simplecast.com

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Written by Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 on 2024-08-31 at 00:58

@markstoneman I know Dot Social, I have listened to all its episodes

I have read the specs of both ActivityPub and AT Protocol, I have read multiple academic papers on both protocols, and I’ve been following this space very closely for the past two years

You also have no idea of the contacts I have with people directly involved in this space

Your patronizing tone and your completely unfounded assumptions on what I know don’t put you in any position to lecture me on making "serious arguments"

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Written by Mark Stoneman on 2024-08-31 at 01:10

@o_simardcasanova 😐

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Written by Puffer on 2024-08-31 at 07:52

@markstoneman dude has a lot of gall to call others patronizing,

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Written by Mark Stoneman on 2024-08-31 at 01:03

@o_simardcasanova FWIW, Bluesky might be using a different protocol, but there are already efforts to bridge the two protocols. There are also crossposting tools that make using multiple platforms possible. For ActivityPub there are integrations for blogs, newsletters, aggregators, you name it. This is the space where third parties can get involved and play. 4/

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Written by Mark Stoneman on 2024-08-31 at 01:03

@o_simardcasanova

Sure, many people will still think in terms of a choice between three places, and that's fine. Meanwhile, a different reality is emerging that users of any of these platforms will be able to leverage for their own purposes. 5//

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Written by Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 on 2024-08-31 at 01:09

@markstoneman Is your lecture on a topic I know already well over?

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Written by Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 on 2024-08-31 at 00:52

@markstoneman What makes you think I base my generalizations on my "particular experiences"?

You’re making a lot of completely unfounded assumptions here, and it’s only your second reply…

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Written by Mark Stoneman on 2024-08-31 at 01:06

@o_simardcasanova For starters, your server. Also, the way you argued with another person until they said good riddance and you could say, see, Mastodon users suck. Is that where this is headed. This question suggests as much.

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