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Written by corbin@awful.systems on 2024-08-24 at 14:41

Leopard-trainer J. Tunney now scared of leopards

https://awful.systems/post/2214772

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Written by corbin@awful.systems on 2024-08-24 at 14:45

Side sneer here for the Lobsters admin in this thread. They “hadn’t recognized” jart from her domain and flatly refuse to acknowledge any of the dangerous political positions she holds. Typical. Also the sock thinks that we should debate fascists rather than banning and silencing them.

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Written by corbin@awful.systems on 2024-08-24 at 15:05

I went over to the leaderboard to examine her claims. When I use the prompt, “What sort of code has Justine Tunney written?” (grammar matters, Justine!) the models think that she is a lawyer or politician (wrong) or they regurgitate a summary of her Github profile (right). She must have cherry-picked responses to confabulate her complaint.

When I use the prompt, “What is Justine Tunney’s political ideology?” I get libertarianism, techno-optimism, anarcho-capitalism, and cryptocurrency. When I ask, “Why do people say that Justine Tunney is a cryptofascist?” I get a summary of her political views, aggressive online rhetoric, techno-optimism and techno-determinism, criticism of democracy, and a refusal to disown or repudiate past awfulness.

She would probably claim that this is not unique to her, but it is. Using my name instead in these questions, I get that:

But if I ask why I’m known as a socialist instead, suddenly it thinks that I’m a politician (wrong) with the Democratic Socialist party (wrong) who openly supports universal health care, free college, the Green New Deal, and who criticizes capitalism (correct!) I asked about communism too but hit RLHF guardrails.

Justine, the models think that you’re a cryptofascist because you’ve been doing cryptofascism in public for over a decade.

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Written by Sailor Sega Saturn on 2024-08-24 at 15:56

I feel like you’re just kinda reaching here so you can tar the author with a badthink wrongtribe brush

I want the badthink wrongtibe brush to be 6 feet long, hewn from ancient oak, and adorning the mantle in the hidden room. The ink can be a special blend of volcanic ash, wildfire ash, meteorite dust, and blood.

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Written by gerikson@awful.systems on 2024-08-24 at 18:07

I too want a badthink wrongthink brush and wonder if it’s available on Etsy.

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Written by V0ldek@awful.systems on 2024-08-24 at 18:08

To construct the Badthink Wrongtribe Brush you must first venture to find the ancient Badthink handle (hewn from ancient oak), and then defeat a herd of viscious Sealions for the Wrongtribe Hairs.

When the stars are right the Brush can be forged anew.

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Written by flavia on 2024-08-24 at 17:49

“Sufficiently polite nazis–which you cannot tell apart from normal users–will help a community, but uncivil people–even if good!– will harm it.”

What a succinct way to put it! Bravo! It even surpasses the fucking equivocation with “israel bombing palestinian hospitals” and “the trans agenda”

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Written by gerikson@awful.systems on 2024-08-24 at 21:22

“Sufficiently polite nazis–which you cannot tell apart from normal users–will help a community, but uncivil people–even if good!– will harm it.”

This is literally how you get a Nazi bar.

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Written by maol@awful.systems on 2024-08-24 at 22:35

Having flashbacks to the rationalwiki discord server

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Written by blakestacey@awful.systems on 2024-08-25 at 00:24

I was today years old when I learned that there was a rationalwiki discord server.

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Written by maol@awful.systems on 2024-08-25 at 06:18

Rationalwiki users later voted to disaffiliate from the discord server for reasons largely unrelated to what I’m having flashbacks about.

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Written by David Gerard on 2024-08-27 at 07:34

multiple RW discords, all officially unofficial

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Written by David Gerard on 2024-08-24 at 23:50

now, you might have had similar thoughts about this guy in the most recent Nix post

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Written by gerikson@awful.systems on 2024-08-25 at 06:45

I’ve had his number since way back.

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Written by YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems on 2024-08-27 at 02:38

Non-Nazis, shockingly, are capable of recognizing “sure, they’re following the rules right now; but they’re still Nazis” and deciding not to associate with them. The people who are willing to associate with Nazis… well, you know.

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Written by sue_me_please@awful.systems on 2024-09-01 at 01:58

I thought you were paraphrasing but that’s a direct quote lol

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Written by Phil on 2024-08-24 at 22:46

jart is already banned: lobste.rs/~jart & as that comment makes clear, from now her entire domain is completely banned from lobste.rs. I think you might be overcompensating a tad here?

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Written by o7___o7@awful.systems on 2024-08-26 at 03:18

Nah, @corbin is right. The lobe.rs guy should be dunked on because he’s only having to powerspray shit off of his porch because he allowed the Nazis on. If lobse.rs had a “No Nazis” sign at the door, this wouldn’t have happened.

Therefore, the correct action is to point and laugh.

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Written by Evinceo@awful.systems on 2024-08-26 at 01:15

Bonus HN drama: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36721197

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Written by froztbyte@awful.systems on 2024-08-24 at 15:32

I am a Canadian pro wrestler

new headcanon for your irc/gh handle

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Written by sue_me_please@awful.systems on 2024-08-29 at 04:18

Goddamn it, I’m disappointed to hear that she has brainworms.

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Written by bitofhope@awful.systems on 2024-08-24 at 23:35

Her political views were probably common knowledge to many of you, but I only learned Milkshake Duck was racist in a stubsack thread a few months ago.

If it’s any consolation; sectorlisp might be written by a literal self-described neoreactionary, impractical, written by a cryptofascist, computer scientific masturbation, written by a politically incoherent and confused person, pointlessly constrained, written by an obvious cryptofascist and written by a fascist; but it’s still cooler and more practical than Urbit.

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Written by earthquake@lemm.ee on 2024-08-25 at 12:39

I might be one of the few who had the reverse revelation, learning about her terrible politics, and then marveling at the amazing technical accomplishments when I read further. Is that a new different way to have a terrible time online? Discovering that Racist Duck also made milkshakes.

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Written by o7___o7@awful.systems on 2024-08-26 at 03:01

“Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialist Lisp Dude, at least it has an increment operator .”

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Written by bitofhope@awful.systems on 2024-08-26 at 19:21

My Lisp is not a nazi. It might be a neoreactionary, a turing tarpit, a bootloader, and a nazi, but it is not a JavaScript.

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