Ancestors

Written by Jay Williams on 2024-08-23 at 19:23

(Emphasis added)

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Toot

Written by Jay Williams on 2024-08-23 at 19:25

I believe this 100%, and have seen it happen time and time again. If we ever want to get to a more sustainable future, we've got to get away from these single use products.

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Descendants

Written by Peter H on 2024-08-24 at 15:31

@jaywilliams It's 100% true. What you buy isn't the device, it's the limited (!) license to use it.

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Written by Lykso on 2024-08-25 at 15:02

@jaywilliams I suspect this involves doing away with capitalism.

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Written by Jay Williams on 2024-08-28 at 15:48

@lykso I'm of the opinion any unconstrained economic system does more harm than good, regardless of it's ideology.

Rater than doing away with capitalism entirely, I think a better solution would be to pass laws and regulations which would incentivize business to build more reusable and recyclable products, and they'll naturally follow the route maximize their profits.

Obviously for something like that to work in the real world, you'd have to have to have some means of validating that the products are actually reusable/recyclable and not just green-washed. Not exactly and easy feat to pull off, but there's enough smart people out there (I hope!) that could figure it out.

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Written by Jay Williams on 2024-08-28 at 15:50

@lykso On that same front, I see the whole "right to repair" movement as a good step in that direction.

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Written by Lykso on 2024-08-28 at 16:29

@jaywilliams I likewise tend to think that quests for ideological purity are wrong-headed. Idealism ignores material conditions and the necessary awkwardness of transitional states and the ambiguity inherent in necessarily always being somewhat wrong. But I tend to think that any system which does not consistently subordinate the profit motive to democratic control (i.e., any system that is not some version of socialism) will eventually find itself captured by rent-seeking profit-maximizers. 1/

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Written by Kevin Russell on 2024-08-25 at 16:44

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There are two kinds of plastics, plastics that can be recycled to use again, and plastics that cannot be recycled.

Make non-recycleable plastics a crime. Tax wealth to clean up old plastic.

Running away from the costs of your enterprise is a moral and ethical crime, and must become a legal crime.

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