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Written by Ben Kirton on 2024-08-20 at 00:42

@jsnell I don’t know what to do with this one except send it to you with a few question marks. ???

Mail.app, as best I can tell at a glance, doesn’t record screen or audio.

I literally just hit reply all on an email and it appeared.

Likely just a beta issue, but now I’m questioning what Mail.app is doing and there appears to be no way in macOS to see any details on what this means or why it’s triggered.

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Written by Ben Kirton on 2024-08-20 at 00:47

@jsnell I’m working on the idea that the culture of secrecy at Apple has spread to areas it has no business being in which leads to a lack of documentation ( @caseyliss ) and also no front end for any of these security popups ( @siracusa ) as they refuse to explain anything as they don’t want to be specific in how they work.

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Written by Ben Kirton on 2024-08-20 at 00:54

@jsnell @caseyliss @siracusa I’m a fairly advanced user of PCs as a network and communications engineer who also writes some code for automation and ops, and when presented with almost all of the security dialogs in macOS over the last few years I find I have no way to contextualise the choice they are presenting except:

On = bad, off = good.

OK, but will the app work without that? What features may be impacted?

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Written by Ben Kirton on 2024-08-20 at 00:58

@jsnell @caseyliss @siracusa I 100% agree that we should be able to tell it to just allow it for this app, but I think an enormous missing piece is any way to understand what is happening at all with a combination of a security audit app of some sort combined with developers actively explaining these aspects of their applications.

The Internet Access Policy app in Little Snitch is a good example of a front end to audit and allow developers to explain why the app is trying to do what it is.

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Written by Ben Kirton on 2024-08-20 at 01:03

@jsnell @caseyliss @siracusa A system-wide framework for apps to provide this info on top of an interface that can also maybe shame those that don’t (a la “Apps using significant power”, etc) feels like a win-win for Apple, respectable Mac/iOS developers, and definitely for users.

I’m know there would be avenues for abuse and lying by the not-so-respectable devs, but if the interface shows what they are actually doing, we may have a starting point to figure it out.

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Written by Ben Kirton on 2024-08-20 at 01:07

@jsnell This happen right after hearing in @connected that you are the pop-up guy.

That’s what you said, yeah? Send all popups to you?

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Written by Jason Snell on 2024-08-20 at 02:57

@bjkirton @connected the permissions guy. I give you permission not to send them

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