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Written by GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml on 2024-08-19 at 20:22

I got a new job. whatsapp group (20 people) is migrating to signal because I don't use it.

https://lemmy.ml/post/19346970

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Written by asudox on 2024-08-19 at 20:34

Surprised that happened. Very rare to see that these days.

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Written by driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br on 2024-08-19 at 20:40

Maybe OP works on infosec and the team was like yeah, makes sense?

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Written by GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml on 2024-08-19 at 20:46

Let’s say I work in an IT area (but not infosec)

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Written by LazaroFilm on 2024-08-19 at 20:53

Should have used Matrix

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Written by TCB13@lemmy.world on 2024-08-19 at 21:45

No, Matrix isn’t the best in terms of privacy. It is a metadata disaster and most other platform are a lot more performant.

Matrix’s E2EE does not, however, encrypt everything. The following information is not encrypted: Message senders, Session/device IDs, Message timestamps, Room members (join/leave/invite events), Message edit events, Message reactions, Read receipts, Nicknames, Profile pictures

Matrix is developed by a for profit entity, a group of venture capitalists and having a spec doesn’t mean everything. The way Matrix is designed is to force into jumping through hoops and kind of draw all attention to Matrix itself instead of the end result.

XMPP is the true and the OG federated and truly open solution that is very extensible. XMPP is tested, reliable, secure and above all a truly open standard and decentralized it just lacks some investment in better mobile clients.

What most fail to see is that XMPP is the only solution that treats messaging and video like email: just provide an address and the servers and clients will cooperate with each other in order to maintain a conversation. Everything else is just an attempt at yet another vendor lock-in.

People need to get this through their heads, XMPP is the only solution for their problems.

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Written by asudox on 2024-08-19 at 21:48

XMPP is great but it’s dead.

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Written by TCB13@lemmy.world on 2024-08-19 at 21:50

It is as dead as we want. There’s no reason to reinvent the wheel, probably the only thing that XMPP lacks is a bunch of money into a very good, cross-platform (but native) client like Telegram has that actually works 100% of the time and a bunch of large scale public servers to handle regular users who don’t want to host their own. Also… easy registrations and setup on said client.

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Toot

Written by asudox on 2024-08-19 at 22:01

I’m pretty sure an encrypted chat platform is possible with ActivityPub.

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Written by TCB13@lemmy.world on 2024-08-19 at 22:04

Why reinvent the wheel, tweak a protocol, implement a ton of software when you can just use the tested, tried and true XMPP?

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