Ancestors

Written by Talon on 2024-08-15 at 10:07

I still just don't get braille screen input on iOS. I don't get it. In screen away mode, why would you have the dots horizontally and not vertically? My fingers want to automatically press them vertically. Like I would read them. I don't even know how I'd position my hands to do the horizontal inputs. Why not have your fingers from top to bottom? Like am I missing something here? That just feels very natural to do. But holding your phone, screen facing away, and then you have to place your fingers along the entire width of the thing in a straight line? If I hold my phone between two hands, screen facing away, my fingers automatically just orient themselves in two rows from top to bottom. On either side of the screen. Why can't I have it like that?

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Written by Talon on 2024-08-15 at 10:09

The one mode where it is like that is in tabletop mode. Except tabletop mode is just... the wrong way around? I don't know how else to explain this but no matter which way I flip my phone, the dots are never where I expect them to be. What is wrong with me? So many people are doing this just fine but I struggle so much with this. I know braille! I can read and write braille! Why is this so entirely unintuitive to me?

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Written by Talon on 2024-08-15 at 10:12

OK. In settings, you have a toggle to reverse dot positions. So that fixes it? Except that's still tabletop mode. And I have to force it into tabletop mode while holding it as if I'm using screen away mode. This is just... bad? I'm so confused.

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Written by Talon on 2024-08-15 at 10:19

Hahahaha nevermind reverse dot positions reverses them in the exact way that I don't want. It doesn't mirror them. It just swaps the top and bottom dots. I'm going back to the normal direct touch keyboard I think.

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Written by Talon on 2024-08-15 at 10:20

This happens every single time I try this stuff :(

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Written by Talon on 2024-08-15 at 10:22

Oh wait. OK. Reverse dot positions, and then flip the phone the opposite way that people tell me to flip it. That works.

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Written by Talon on 2024-08-15 at 10:23

OK. So. Hold phone in screen away mode, locked to tabletop mode, reversed dot positions, with power button on top. That is my configuration. It's definitely not comfortable, but it works. I was able to type a sentence.

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Written by Sukil Etxenike on 2024-08-15 at 10:53

@talon I... cannot understand why you put it in tabletop mode with reversed dot positions. Have you used a Perkins brailler? Because that does seem like literally typing without reversing them (i. e. left index dot 1, right index dot 4). Seriously, how do you type?

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Written by Talon on 2024-08-15 at 10:55

@sukiletxe the problem is ergonomics. I can type in screen away mode, but definitely not while holding it. I'd have to line my fingers up horizontally next to each other which is really uncomfortable to do, and my fingers naturally don't want to assume that position. They want to go in a row from top to bottom just by the way I'm holding the thing.

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Written by Sukil Etxenike on 2024-08-15 at 10:59

@talon But isn't that the way screen away mode works? In my case indexes at the top near the power button, ring fingers at the bottom near the volume buttons.

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Written by Talon on 2024-08-15 at 11:00

@sukiletxe uh... not for me? Screen away mode has the dots from left to right. Tabletop mode has the dots from top to bottom. But now that I say that, I've been thinking that that somehow feels entirely the wrong way around. Shouldn't tabletop be like the brailler and screen away the other way?

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Written by Talon on 2024-08-15 at 11:02

@sukiletxe yeah I just had to check that I wasn't getting this wrong and it's indeed like that. Screen away is left to right, tabletop is top to bottom. That makes no sense to me.

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Descendants

Written by Sukil Etxenike on 2024-08-15 at 11:08

@talon What happened to your phone? That makes no sense for me either. Tabletop is brailler, screen away is two columns.

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Written by Talon on 2024-08-15 at 11:10

@sukiletxe I um... don't know? Ok I'm so very glad I'm not the problem here it seems 😂

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Written by Sukil Etxenike on 2024-08-15 at 11:13

@talon Can you try recalibrating the regular way (i. e. not your way) and see if it fixes itself? Or try exploration mode, where you put a finger on the screen, wait until the three sounds, then move your finger without lifting it and see where the dots are?

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Written by Talon on 2024-08-15 at 11:15

@sukiletxe The exploration mode is how I figured out I had it wrong all this time. Hang on I can try recalibrating I guess

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Written by Talon on 2024-08-15 at 11:19

@sukiletxe Ok I do not understand why but that works. It used to not work. It seems like I can recalibrate both ways either which way. Is that... normal? lol

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Written by Sukil Etxenike on 2024-08-15 at 11:42

@talon Maybe? For me if I try calibrating it the wrong way some dots are out of place

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