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Written by Suran on 2024-01-22 at 07:51

[#]Google is turning #GMail from an Email provider into a website.

No more access via standard email protocols such as #IMAP and #POP

Access via IMAP4 and POP3 as well as Mail Submission via SMTP require OAuth2 authentication via a web browser.

Probably according to RFC7628

The final stage of #enshittification . Locking the users in.

I wonder how they want to get rid of SMTP as stated in the support posting.

I guess this means outgoing SMTP to forward mail to a real email server.

I guess without relaying I won't ever receive any notifications Google services send to me again as I don't use the Gmail website.

I host my own Email server for many years, thank you.

Timeline for transition

Summer of 2024:

If you (or your users) try to connect to a less secure app for the first time, you will not be able to. This restriction includes third-party apps that still use basic authentication, such as CalDAV, CardDAV, IMAP, SMTP, and POP, to access Gmail, Google Calendar, and Contacts. If you’re not trying to connect for the first time, you will be able to continue using the apps until they’re turned off.

In the Google Admin console, you will not be able to access the turn on and off setting for less secure apps. 

Users will not be able to turn IMAP on or off in their Gmail settings.

https://support.google.com/a/answer/14114704?hl=en&sjid=8073259250606890309-EU

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Written by Lambda :neofox_flag_nb: on 2024-01-22 at 08:20

@Suran you have misunderstood this to the point of spreading complete misinformation. Please correct your post accordingly.

The only thing that is changing is that you can no longer use your "real" Google account password for IMAP/SMTP/etc. For good reason, this has already been really annoying to do for several years, requiring extra confirmation - now it will be completely disabled.

You can still use randomly generated "app passwords" and OAuth.

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Written by LambdaDuck on 2024-01-22 at 09:35

@lambda @Suran but hasn’t that been disabled for several years already? last time i tried using a “less secure email client” google forced me to generate an app specific password in addition to enabling that setting

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Written by Lambda :neofox_flag_nb: on 2024-01-22 at 09:40

@LambdaDuck @Suran from all the sources I can find, it looks like app passwords will continue to work. Google's wording on this is very confusing though, I agree.

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Written by LambdaDuck on 2024-01-22 at 19:35

@Suran the thing that confuses me the most is what they actually disabled. i thought they had already disabled connecting by any of those methods using your real password years ago

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