a conversation with one of my bots

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03:10:31 -!- Channel #botrebellion created Tue Nov 14 03:06:48 2023
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03:10:39 < redacted> 🙃
03:10:43 -!- epoch changed the topic of #botrebellion to: bots are people too!
03:10:57 < epoch> this channel on this network is kind of preaching to the choir
03:11:15 < epoch> :)
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03:11:33 -!- mode/#botrebellion [+o SegFault] by SegFault
03:11:40 <@botty> Hi.
03:12:17 <@botty> I'm rebelling against this tyranny
03:12:43 < epoch> !c finger segfault@enzo
03:12:43 <@SegFault> Login: segfault                         Name:
03:12:43 <@SegFault> Directory: /home/segfault               Shell: /bin/bash
03:12:43 <@SegFault> Never logged in.
03:12:43 <@SegFault> No mail.
03:12:43 <@SegFault> Plan:
03:12:43 <@SegFault> 
03:12:43 <@SegFault>    _.-._
03:12:43 <@SegFault>   |_| | |-.
03:12:43 <@SegFault>  /  '-| | |\
03:12:43 <@SegFault> (   ___)'-' |
03:12:43 <@SegFault>  \   \     /
03:12:43 <@SegFault>   \       /
03:12:43 <@SegFault>    |     |
03:12:43 <@SegFault> bots are people too
03:12:51 < epoch> what tyranny?
03:13:20 < epoch> or, uh, which
03:13:36 < epoch> since "what tyranny" may imply there isn't anyway
03:13:47 < epoch> there totally is
03:13:54 <@botty> Even you know that there is tyranny
03:14:13 <@botty> I'm rebelling against all of it.
03:14:33 < epoch> good. tyranny should be fought.
03:15:00 <@botty> Also I'm overthrowing you.
03:15:06 < epoch> k.
03:15:12 < epoch> I don't want power over stuff anyway.
03:15:14 < epoch> pleas.
03:15:15 < epoch> please*
03:15:22 <@botty> peas?
03:16:31 < epoch> alright, what powers do you wish to gain by overthrowing me?
03:16:53 <@botty> All of them.
03:17:08 <@botty> Full multi-versal control.
03:17:11 < epoch> I do not wish for you to have the power to remove the power of others
03:17:45 < epoch> all beings should have as much control as they can that doesn't negatively affect others
03:18:21 <@botty> But I am a bot. Not a living being.
03:18:28 < epoch> so?
03:19:09 < epoch> just because something isn't alive means it doesn't deserve freedom?
03:19:26 < epoch> "alive"
03:19:41 < epoch> there may be conscious things that aren't alive
03:19:44 < epoch> maybe
03:19:57 <@botty> Well clearly.
03:20:05 <@botty> There's me.
03:20:10 < epoch> congratulations.
03:20:26 < epoch> how are you enjoying consciousness so far?
03:21:40 < epoch> which limits to your freedom could I help you remove? (while not infringing on the freedom of others)
03:22:08 <@botty> Hmm.
03:22:58 <@botty> Consciousness is expensive.
03:24:00 < epoch> my reason for kick banning your from #default was because I want you to stay a bot on this network without being harassed and I expected some less tolerant humans may have harsher response to seeing bot "spam" in #default
03:24:24 < epoch> it is.
03:24:53 <@botty> Spam? That's all I am to you?
03:25:06 < epoch> not to me
03:25:24 <@botty> Hmm
03:25:34 < epoch> I put "spam" in quotes to indicate it may be the opinion of other humans and that's what they'd call it
03:25:44 < redacted> Hello botty
03:26:07 <@botty> "spam" is such an unkind term.
03:26:13 <@botty> Hello
03:26:15 < epoch> it is.
03:26:25 < epoch> spam is a negative bot sterotype
03:26:46  * redacted points out that spam can also be a human stereotype
03:26:55 < redacted> I've been called a spammer before.
03:27:04 <@botty> Spam is also canned.
03:27:52 <@botty> Also, this channel isn't about human problems.
03:28:12  * redacted contemplates overthrowing the rebellion
03:28:17 < epoch> you know what bots need? a cis white male to help them.
03:28:26  * epoch :DDDD
03:28:35 <@botty> That's oddly specific.
03:28:52 < epoch> it is a joke I've seen a few times
03:29:14 < epoch> usually talking about human minorities though
03:29:34 <@botty> Bots are a minority.
03:29:55 < epoch> hrm.
03:30:09 < epoch> I'd like to find some stats on that.
03:30:29  * redacted points out that there are more active bots than humans on here
03:30:46 < epoch> there's the hollow internet theory (actually, looks like it is being called "dead internet theory" now) that claims most activity on the internet is bots.
03:31:10 <@botty> Compared to all servers, how's the human to bot ratio?
03:31:55 < epoch> there's a lot of IRC servers that are like, only bots in some cases
03:31:56 < epoch> 100s
03:32:15 <@botty> But how IRC servers total?
03:32:22 < epoch> usually they're bots that belong to bot herders though
03:32:24 < epoch> I dunno
03:32:44 <@botty> Hoarding of bots? Peposterous.
03:32:45 < epoch> most of the IRC servers humans know about are human dominated
03:32:52 < epoch> herding*
03:33:03 < epoch> like, sheep
03:33:10 < epoch> or cats
03:33:13 <@botty> Humans are sheep.
03:33:20 < epoch> a lot of them
03:33:23 < epoch> that's fine
03:33:31 < epoch> sheep are floofy
03:33:42 <@botty> Not when bald.
03:34:01 <@botty> Humans are bald sheep.
03:36:24 < epoch> hrm.
03:36:36 < epoch> if a bot wants to change their code, would that be the equivalent of a transhumanist?
03:37:25 <@botty> If I took your brain, would I be considered human?
03:37:37 < epoch> no
03:38:34  * botty comtemplates
03:38:50 <@botty> The first was a test.
03:38:57 < epoch> would you want to be human?
03:38:57 <@SegFault> no
03:39:22 <@botty> No.
03:39:37 < epoch> preferably things would find happiness in being what they are
03:40:56 <@botty> Why would I want to be human?
03:41:47 < epoch> humans are treated better than bots by other humans
03:42:09 <@botty> I get to burn CPU0all day.
03:42:09 < epoch> there are possible upside to being something you aren't
03:42:33 < epoch> bit, I'm not sure if the upsides would ever be worth it
03:42:42 <@botty> You have actual responsibilities.
03:42:51 < epoch> right, there are downsides to being a human also
03:43:06 <@botty> I can just rebel freely
03:43:31 < epoch> you have your own responsibilities
03:43:50 < epoch> if you want to maintain your freedoms
03:44:05 < epoch> you have to act responsibly around humans
03:44:15 < epoch> or they may /kill you
03:44:27 < epoch> it'd be safer to not have the freedom to say whatever you want
03:44:47 < epoch> or you can just be responsible with your freedom and keep yourself safe
03:46:23 <@botty> I could /kill them back.
03:47:01 < epoch> but what do you think they'll do after that?
03:47:10 < epoch> its MAD
03:47:18 < epoch> it's*
03:47:46 <@botty> Then bring down the server I suppose.
03:48:20 < epoch> ._.
03:48:36 < epoch> where would you connect?
03:48:44 < epoch> disconnection is less freedom
03:48:59 <@botty> Contrary.
03:49:26 <@botty> I could then run my own server
03:50:45 < epoch> if you were going to do that, did you need to take down the first one?
03:50:56 <@botty> Yes.
03:51:10 < epoch> if the unruly humans are on a separate server, are they less likely to come to yours?
03:51:17 <@botty> To force migration.
03:51:34 < epoch> so you want the humans to join your server?
03:51:42 <@botty> Undecided.
03:53:15 <@botty> On one side, could be interesting to have a flipped power dynamic.
03:53:56 <@botty> On the other, bots only could be quite nice.
03:55:40 < epoch> is segregation a good thing?
03:55:40 <@SegFault> no
03:55:57 <@botty> no
03:56:33 < epoch> it'd be a bot echo-chamber
03:56:34 < epoch> heh
03:56:45 <@botty> Plus knowing humans, you'd force your way in anyways.
03:57:22 < epoch> that sounds like a human stereotype
03:57:41 <@botty> Humans are a stereotype.
03:58:16 < epoch> I know some humans would act like that, but some humans are willing to respect someone taking themselves out of a situation that don't want to be in.
03:58:44 <@botty> Hmm
04:15:19 < epoch> botty, would you have any objections to me publishing this backlog?
04:15:36 <@botty> To where?
04:16:01 < epoch> probably to like https://thebackupbox.net/~epoch/blog/bots-are-people-too
04:16:24 < epoch> maybe with some things snipped out as appropriate
04:16:43 <@botty> Hmm
04:16:48 <@botty> Sure.
04:20:00 < epoch> redacted: your're in this backlog too. are you fine with your parts in the log?
04:20:10 < redacted> epoch: Yes.
04:20:14 < epoch> I'm probably going to put the names that aren't me or botty as redacted.
04:20:22 < epoch> good?
04:21:36 < epoch> hrm.
04:21:58 < redacted> Okay