●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, January 29, 2023 ●●

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[00:49] schestowitz-TR i had deep thoughts, lateral thinking, coming to the conclusion that today's media is so bad that very seldon

[00:49] schestowitz-TR it inspires me to write an article. first i notcied this in patents and epo, now i can say the same

[00:49] schestowitz-TR about gnu/linux, as many 'reports' are just x version y.z released

[00:50] schestowitz-TR i am still trying to come up with publication strategy

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[01:56] techrigthssec What was the way to apply CamelCase to TM ?

[01:59] schestowitz-TR nothing witty, just create TR Daily Links, then get the links from there, but i could pipe TM page submissions

[01:59] schestowitz-TR through the same pipe

[01:59] schestowitz-TR but atm I am more interesting in converting opml into html sets

[01:59] schestowitz-TR rianne already goes through quiterss, so there is duplication of effort

[01:59] schestowitz-TR also the same feeds at her end

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[02:04] techrigthssec When I checked, there was very little overlap with the host names between

[02:04] techrigthssec the two.

[02:04] techrigthssec Getting OPML into HTML would be for Python: parse XML, build dictionary,

[02:04] techrigthssec save in key-value database, fetch the relevant (by date) feeds, parse XML,

[02:04] techrigthssec build HTML (including details/summary elements), save to temporary file and

[02:04] techrigthssec point a browser at that file.

[02:04] techrigthssec At least that's what I've come up with so far.

[02:07] schestowitz-TR that would be a vast improvement, not doing the next 5 years what i did the past 20

[02:07] schestowitz-TR atm i make some better improvements

[02:07] schestowitz-TR to the setup here

[02:07] schestowitz-TR i'd like to process the opml in a way that is different from rianne's

[02:07] schestowitz-TR because rigth now it is a lot of click and drool and not much inherent alta vista

[02:07] schestowitz-TR like assembling all the howtos in one place or grouping related topic, one by one, from GUI

[02:09] techrigthssec The first and last parts have the Python modules xmltodict and dicttoxml

[02:09] techrigthssec to convert to and from dictionaries, which are Python's closest equivalent

[02:09] techrigthssec to a Perl hash

[02:09] techrigthssec The db is needed to track the datetimestamps: most recent successful fetch,

[02:09] techrigthssec most recent status code, and wait interval specified by the feed

[02:11] schestowitz-TR that would be excellent

[02:11] schestowitz-TR and a departure from the more time-consuming news survey, which like i said above, typically

[02:11] schestowitz-TR does not involve much news, just releases, howtos, pr junk like spamnil

[02:29] techrigthssec At the risk of buzzwords, there are a lot of modules to deal with JSON

[02:29] techrigthssec so it might be possible to get the datetimestamp stuff into and out of

[02:29] techrigthssec the key-value db via JSON more or less automatically. I'm not sure it's

[02:29] techrigthssec efficient to run but looks like it is probably easy to write, given the

[02:29] techrigthssec avialability of modules. From the dictionary, it is easy (given the modules)

[02:29] techrigthssec to convert to XML. Then the slow part comes: XSLT to convert to HTML.

[02:29] techrigthssec The json module for python does not seem to make ordered dictionaries, at

[02:29] techrigthssec least at first glance.

[02:29] schestowitz-TR that would be excellent

[02:29] schestowitz-TR and a departure from the more time-consuming news survey, which like i said above, typically

[02:29] schestowitz-TR does not involve much news, just releases, howtos, pr junk like spamnil

[02:29] schestowitz-TR speaking of buzzword

[02:29] schestowitz-TR andy has a new article re hey hi

[02:29] schestowitz-TR i have 15 mins left to edit it

[02:29] schestowitz-TR brb

[02:29] schestowitz-TR heavilt inspired by what you wrote

[02:29] schestowitz-TR published, still checking it

[02:29] schestowitz-TR he used the unmask meme

[02:33] schestowitz[TR] Re: Hey Hype

[02:33] schestowitz[TR] > With gratitude to the Techrights readers whose comments

[02:33] schestowitz[TR] > inspired this and the meme explanation.

[02:33] schestowitz[TR] That's excellent. The adoption of terms like Hey Hype or Hey Hi Hype helps get across the idea that lots of it boils down to hype. I did lots of ML programming even 20+ years ago. There is a motivation here, like with CLOWN computing; they want to disclaim responsibility for what computer programs do (and take over, centralise if you will, all the services/data).

[02:33] schestowitz[TR] Going to edit now. It'll be in Gemini afterwards.

[02:33] schestowitz[TR] PS - had MASSIVE hardware disaster on Friday. Still recovering from it.

[02:34] techrigthssec There is a work around.

[02:45] schestowitz-TR lots n happening all at once

[02:45] schestowitz-TR just ran ddos protection on tm-old

[02:49] techrigthssec ack

[02:50] schestowitz-TR the automation worked perfectly today!

[02:50] schestowitz-TR need to just proofread andy now

[02:50] schestowitz-TR then recalibrate news reading, will check email and python in the nexthour

[02:50] techrigthssec ack

[02:50] techrigthssec Excellent

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[03:35] techrigthssec ok

[03:37] schestowitz-TR looking

[03:37] schestowitz-TR i have given up on synergy for now

[03:37] schestowitz-TR they are hunting down all 'free'copies

[03:37] schestowitz-TR to sell their blob

[03:37] schestowitz-TR going to look at the python now

[03:37] schestowitz-TR leaving aside 3 sdie tasks

[03:38] techrigthssec ak

[03:38] techrigthssec ack

[03:38] techrigthssec The fetching of the feeds and tracking of intervals would be needed to.

[03:38] techrigthssec The scropts are not even sketches but simply studies of the modules to

[03:38] techrigthssec see that they do indeed work.

[03:44] schestowitz-TR looking

[03:44] schestowitz-TR i have given up on synergy for now

[03:44] schestowitz-TR they are hunting down all 'free'copies

[03:44] schestowitz-TR to sell their blob

[03:44] schestowitz-TR going to look at the python now

[03:44] schestowitz-TR leaving aside 3 sdie tasks

[03:44] schestowitz-TR funny anecdote: debian does not have python by default

[03:44] schestowitz-TR i probably installed about 40 packages yesterday

[03:45] techrigthssec I don't see why Python3 would be in Debian by default anyway. Perl is another

[03:45] techrigthssec matter though since it is essential.

[03:45] schestowitz-TR perl wasthere already

[03:46] techrigthssec Yes, it has to bee.

[03:46] techrigthssec ^be

[03:50] schestowitz-TR that python3 pair is neat

[03:50] schestowitz-TR very few lines

[03:50] schestowitz-TR lots done by modularity

[03:50] schestowitz-TR if i can have feeds converted into html all-in-ones i can find time to also glance at patent news

[03:50] schestowitz-TR it was always a human capacity problem

[03:52] techrigthssec yes it is relatively quick to work with but at the cost of opacity in some ways

[03:52] techrigthssec As mentioned the modules work, now it is "just" a matter of figuring out

[03:52] techrigthssec what to do with them.

[03:52] techrigthssec ack

[03:52] schestowitz-TR good: in-depth

[03:52] schestowitz-TR bad: takes time, cannot weed out chaff

[03:52] schestowitz-TR ugly: sometimes quiterss does not work or shits itself

[03:52] schestowitz-TR a linear list of news is easy to align by topic

[03:52] schestowitz-TR but not if confined to gui

[03:53] techrigthssec QuiteRSS locks up a lot and appears more or less unmaintained; Therefore I no

[03:53] techrigthssec longer consider it a long-term solution.

[03:54] schestowitz-TR many rss feed readers are where newsgroups readers were 20 years ago

[03:54] schestowitz-TR or irc clients in recent years

[03:54] schestowitz-TR or... twitter clients... good riddance!!

[03:55] techrigthssec Typical for many projects.

[03:55] schestowitz-TR knode closed all my bug reports without solution

[03:55] schestowitz-TR as fewer were still using it

[03:55] schestowitz-TR yesterday in torrentfreak they covered usenet provider lawsuit

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[09:46] schestowitz-TR knode closed all my bug reports without solution

[09:46] schestowitz-TR as fewer were still using it

[09:46] schestowitz-TR yesterday in torrentfreak they covered usenet provider lawsuit

[09:46] schestowitz-TR colleague ot in touch today

[09:46] schestowitz-TR i am making preview.sh suitable for OBS Studio

[09:46] schestowitz-TR Webcamoid is OK, but time to love on and consolidate

[09:46] schestowitz-TR *move

[09:46] schestowitz-TR done, tested, i really look forward to this setup

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[10:18] schestowitz-TR i've successfully run both python script on my machine

[10:18] schestowitz-TR nice

[10:18] schestowitz[TR] python3 test-02-read-opml.py > 1.html && firefox 1.html

[10:45] techrigthssec Right but they are studies and don't actually do anything. They verify

[10:45] techrigthssec that the necessary modules exist and work. The hard work will be putting the

[10:45] techrigthssec components together in the right way

[10:45] techrigthssec Checking

[10:45] schestowitz-TR just amended andy's article, might do videos in a bit

[10:45] schestowitz-TR yes, i know the code is just experimental work

[10:45] schestowitz-TR reuse of third party modules is good

[10:45] schestowitz-TR with code, less is more when less means reuse

[10:45] schestowitz-TR all my programs in the past decade were small and simple

[10:45] schestowitz-TR i used to write very large programs

[10:45] schestowitz-TR i found a small bug in my irc stuff this morning and fixed it

[10:45] schestowitz-TR extra whitespace

[10:45] schestowitz-TR but it does two passes, only the second pass was failing

[10:45] schestowitz-TR making a new directory on my local machine for 2 days in a row

[10:45] schestowitz-TR btw, social control media is collpsing fast

[10:45] schestowitz-TR many accounts became inactivee in january

[10:45] schestowitz-TR maybe new year's resolution

[10:49] techrigthssec One can hope so.

[10:51] schestowitz-TR regaridng python, rianne studied it

[10:51] schestowitz-TR but atm her job interviews are not for technical jobs, it's town hall

[10:55] schestowitz-TR til many disengage from tech and have no money left to spend

[10:55] schestowitz-TR the "tech layoffs" are just a tiny little symptom of that

[10:55] schestowitz-TR people are getting tired of it

[10:55] schestowitz-TR it made them miserable

[10:55] schestowitz-TR even 1000 "likes" won't pay your rent

[10:55] schestowitz-TR politicians react to this way tooslowly or merely embraced it to "buy time"

[10:55] schestowitz-TR though bailing out corrosive forces only perpetuates the harms

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[12:32] schestowitz-TR as sanity check, not criticism: 2 other links today, one link in manual?

[12:32] techrigthssec Probably. More next pass.

[12:32] techrigthssec Hmm. Links-wise that was not such a productive interval.

[12:35] schestowitz-TR that is good

[12:35] schestowitz-TR as i cannot cope with a lot anway atm ^_^

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[13:49] schestowitz[TR] >> I've just amended the text! Yes! Indeed! What's needed now is for other

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] >> people to repeat these seemingly obvious arguments.

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] > Great thanks for squeezing in a late addition close to deadline.

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] >

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] >> BTW, I found no typos while reading your article. None. Maybe I didn't read

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] >> it slowly enough.

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] > It's in good shape I think. Just this line doesn't seem to go

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] > anywhere:

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] >

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] > "If we could side-step the whole messy, time consuming business of

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] > eating and just take a pill or Soylent Green "Nutrition Bar".

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] >

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] > I would make it a rhetorical barb like:

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] >

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] > "If only we could side-step the whole messy, time consuming business

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] > of eating and just take a pill or Soylent Green "Nutrition Bar",

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] > right?

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] >

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] >> I think I'll do a video on this topic later, having rewritten some code on

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] >> my new setup to process the files.

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] > Amazing. Good you're able to bounce back technically so fast.

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] > Techrights seems robust, but sounds like you maybe should invest in

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] > offline resilience, maybe have a back-up server ready to spin up

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] > etc. I realise these things are time consuming and expensive.

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] >

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] >> It has been a very hectic week for me,

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] >> but I'll come back stronger.

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] > Really sorry to hear of your loss and upheaval. Losing friends and

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] > peers at our age can leave a mood hanging for months or years. I still

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] > hardly got over losing our lead guitarist in my old band 10 years ago

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] > (drugs and alcohol). That hit my creative energies hard. Still, the

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] > show must go on.

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] Yes, I try not to oerthink it and to keep busy.

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] > Thanks for running this piece Roy,

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] >

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] > Please do send me a link to any video discussion etc.

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] It'll be entitled The Hey Hype Machine

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] Still processing/uploading the video, so did not hit publish yet.

[13:49] schestowitz[TR] Reminder: my videos are not scripted or edited.

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[22:41] schestowitz[TR] you might want to consider this for the room to help weed out chatgpt bots... they are coming if they're not here already... https://ericmitchell.ai/detectgpt/

[22:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ericmitchell.ai | DetectGPT

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