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[09:15] Techrights-sec scraping 2007 - 2020 without page requisites:

[09:15] Techrights-sec real 5012m20.930s

[09:15] Techrights-sec user 24m58.637s

[09:15] Techrights-sec sys 15m57.343s

[09:15] Techrights-sec jsut the text, for Gemini

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[16:07] Techrights-sec The EU digitization funds are being spent at a bad time since committment to

[16:07] Techrights-sec open standard seems low at the moment. Indeed even the very definition is

[16:07] Techrights-sec now shakey and something not quite actaully open.

[16:07] schestowitz-TR2 spending on "clown computing" is all the rage now

[16:14] Techrights-sec Not just clown but unmaintainable, browser-specific javascript monstrosities.

[16:14] Techrights-sec And "apps" for spyphones

[16:14] Techrights-sec Things are alread starting to break and fall apart around the web in very

[16:14] Techrights-sec different sectors.

[16:14] schestowitz-TR2 Flash did not due

[16:14] schestowitz-TR2 *die

[16:14] schestowitz-TR2 it was replaced by the same in browser-level code

[16:14] schestowitz-TR2 inc. DRM (EME)

[16:24] schestowitz-TR2 https://nitter.eu/DataAugmented/status/1453740252992917521#m

[16:24] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | SyntaxError (@DataAugmented): "Escuelas Linux 7.2 Released with Support for Linux Kernel 5.14, Updated Apps http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/157280 Escuelas Linux 7.2 comes two months after Escuelas Linux 7.1 with updated internals and applications. Its based on the Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS (Focal Fossa) p" | nitter

[16:27] Techrights-sec TBL did a nasty turn against the WWW with his endorsement of EME.

[16:27] Techrights-sec It probably would have died without his push.

[16:27] Techrights-sec Or at least if he pushed back against that move.

[16:28] schestowitz-TR2 There was already more to the www and w3c issues than just that (by that point)

[16:29] schestowitz https://techrights.org/2013/06/01/w3c-and-drm/

[16:29] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2010/11/14/the-w3c-and-fake-authority/

[16:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Techrights Calls for Tim Berners-Lee to Drop DRM Support, Regain Control of (Currently Corporations-run) W3C | Techrights

[16:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | The W3C and Fake Authority | Techrights

[16:29] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2010/03/08/jeff-jaffe-w3c-workgroup/

[16:29] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/08/28/html-working-group-impact/

[16:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | W3C Poisoned by Promoters of Software Patents Who Attack GNU/Linux | Techrights

[16:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) Detoxicated from Microsoft Influence, But Regains Microsoft and Apple Presence | Techrights

[16:29] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/04/26/w3c-iso-lesson-xaml-ooxml/

[16:29] schestowitz https://techrights.org/2010/11/20/msft-and-sql92-level-sqllite/

[16:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsofts Death Row of Standards and Why W3C Must Be Careful | Techrights

[16:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Allegation: W3C (Microsoft) Kills Web SQL | Techrights

[16:29] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2010/05/03/apple-msft-pr-swpat-standard/

[16:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Behind the Open Codec FUD Attack, W3C Captured by Microsoft, Apple, Nokia and So On? | Techrights

[16:30] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2011/07/10/casting-shadow-on-w3c/

[16:30] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Developers Against Patents to Start Attacking Patent Trolls; World Wide Web Threatened by Apple Patents | Techrights

[16:31] Techrights-sec Yes, Google, Facebook, and the others were ignoring the W3C by then and

[16:31] Techrights-sec walking all over the standards.

[16:31] schestowitz-TR2 I will make a wiki page to spare time searching next time :-)

[16:37] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web_Consortium

[16:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | World Wide Web Consortium - Techrights

[16:38] schestowitz-TR2 one day we might need to refoctor and improve the wiki, it's just taking a lot of time and thinking how to do it right

[16:39] Techrights-sec The method works well in the beginning but does not scale over size or time.

[16:39] Techrights-sec "tags" are the way to go, but that includes going back and adding

[16:39] Techrights-sec keywords to older relevant stories.

[16:40] schestowitz some tags are short lived, relevance is hard to foresee e.g. http://techrights.org/category/astrum/ and "OSDL"

[16:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Astrum | Techrights

[16:41] Techrights-sec Yes, keywords come and go, but at least new ones are easy to add and the

[16:41] Techrights-sec existence of irrelevant ones does not interfere with retrieval using

[16:41] Techrights-sec the new ones.

[16:42] schestowitz-TR2 you end up with a whole sea of them, fragmented with overlaps

[16:52] Techrights-sec yes, but that can be managed

[16:52] Techrights-sec and it does help if there is a little curation of the keywords over time

[16:52] Techrights-sec with occasional refactoring

[16:52] Techrights-sec but the effort needed is much less in scale and frequency as opposed to the

[16:52] Techrights-sec list-based approach

[16:52] Techrights-sec some databases keep the number and topic range limited for just that reason

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