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[07:37] techrights-sec[2] This one got truncated in gemini:

[07:37] techrights-sec[2] gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/26/when-digital-systems-fail/

[07:37] techrights-sec[2] Rather than modify the code, it might be more useful to fix the HTML

[07:37] techrights-sec[2] fixed

[07:37] techrights-sec[2] there were too many redundant div elements

[07:37] techrights-sec[2] the tree has to stay rather flat

[07:37] techrights-sec[2] s/redundant/redundant, nested/

[07:37] schestowitz-TR2 yes, the divs came from the original html

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[07:48] schestowitz-TR2 oh, good, you find something in reuters that validates what I said about twitter losing a ton

[07:48] schestowitz-TR2 of activity. it makes up for it by funnelling remaining users into emotional trips.

[07:48] schestowitz-TR2 musk and the head choppers waste money, no idea why, but I can guess

[07:58] techrights-sec[2] ack

● Oct 27

[08:00] schestowitz-TR2 optimal time to leave was, when the threats started

[08:00] schestowitz-TR2 I think early 2021

[08:00] schestowitz-TR2 up until then I had to spend almost no time on it

[08:00] schestowitz-TR2 but in 2019 there was already this 'cancel culture' thing

[08:00] schestowitz-TR2 that led me to not reply to anything

[08:00] schestowitz-TR2 it would take time before I received threats over my speech

[08:23] schestowitz-TR2 "Health is the most important aspect of your life!" gemini://snonux.land/gemfeed/2022-10-27-if-health-isnt-there.gmi

[08:24] techrights-sec[2] The threats are tolerated by the management there and even encouraged if they

[08:24] techrights-sec[2] support particular agendas or suppress specific topics

[08:25] schestowitz-TR2 you would think after posting nearly a million tweets I would NOT wans it to crash and burn

[08:41] schestowitz-TR2 [topic] Twitter is Concerned That Its Most Valuable Users Quit in Droves

[08:41] schestowitz-TR2 Musk and the Saudis still want a dying platform, FB shares fell to 100 dollars (from almost 400)

[08:41] schestowitz-TR2 trying to cling onto Microsoft for survival, like Netflix

[08:41] schestowitz-TR2 we need about 4-6 topics, then I can record efficiently

[08:41] techrights-sec[2] If the Unified Patent Court (UPC) is illegal because a) it strictly requires

[08:41] techrights-sec[2] the UK to be within the EU to sign and b) there are various consitutional

[08:41] techrights-sec[2] issues confirmed by courts, then which source for a) and b) ?

[08:41] techrights-sec[2] ^ topic ?

[08:41] techrights-sec[2] [citations for a and b are super important]

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[08:46] schestowitz-TR2 "Election Denial" is what Bill Gates-bribed Pro Publica collectively calls rejection of back-doored Windows voting machines https://www.propublica.org/article/uline-uihlein-election-denial

[08:46] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.propublica.org | How the Uline Box Empire Has Fueled Election Denial ProPublica

[08:50] techrights-sec[2] https://www.jordanharbinger.com/harri-hursti-the-cyber-war-on-americas-elections/

[08:50] techrights-sec[2] (old)

[08:50] techrights-sec[2] US is ignoring the 'long' game

[08:50] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.jordanharbinger.com | Harri Hursti | The Cyber War on America's Elections | The Jordan Harbinger Show 405

[08:53] techrights-sec[2] old https://estoniaevoting.org/team/

[08:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-estoniaevoting.org | The Team | Independent Report on E-voting in Estonia

[08:55] techrights-sec[2] unfortunately that topic is one which is banned from twitter and other social

[08:55] techrights-sec[2] control media and only pits cover it -- so far

[08:55] techrights-sec[2] https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/man-buys-michigan-voting-machine-off-ebay-the-secretary-of-state-has-questions

[08:55] techrights-sec[2] ^ topic ?

[08:55] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fox2detroit.com | Man buys Michigan voting machine off EBay. The Secretary of State has questions

[08:59] techrights-sec[2] many reasons not to use "webmail" in place of e-mail:

[08:59] techrights-sec[2] https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/spam/PhishViaFiletypeConfusion

[08:59] techrights-sec[2] a case for commodity services, open standards, and free choice of client sofrware

[08:59] techrights-sec[2] ^ topic ?

[08:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-utcc.utoronto.ca | Chris's Wiki :: blog/spam/PhishViaFiletypeConfusion

● Oct 27

[09:01] techrights-sec[2] https://scheerpost.com/2022/10/25/what-if-journalism-disappeared/

[09:01] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-What if Journalism Disappeared? - scheerpost.com

[09:01] techrights-sec[2] ^ topic ?

[09:02] schestowitz-TR2 ok, got 5 topics now

[09:02] schestowitz-TR2 that's enough for now :D

[09:06] techrights-sec[2] ack

[09:08] schestowitz-TR2 lunduke has just uploaded another new youtube to a fanfare of 150 viewers

[09:08] schestowitz-TR2 those sem bland and have no actual topic, just a mishmash

[09:16] techrights-sec[2] Bryan's decline has been sad

[09:16] schestowitz-TR2 i still see all his blog posts

[09:17] schestowitz-TR2 maybe 1 in 10 has some real value, so it's a low yield

[09:17] schestowitz-TR2 anyway, I will record shortly, got some material

[09:17] schestowitz-TR2 I'll try to keep videos shorter

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[09:48] schestowitz-TR2 OTA

[09:48] schestowitz-TR2 long, many

● Oct 27

[10:44] schestowitz-TR2 donex5

[10:44] schestowitz-TR2 now text...

[10:45] schestowitz-TR2 productive so farf today

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[10:54] schestowitz-TR2 draft

[10:58] techrights-sec[2] ack

[10:58] techrights-sec[2] checking

[10:58] techrights-sec[2] some stats would help, you have several links from a few years ago showing

[10:58] techrights-sec[2] in real numbers the actual decline

[10:59] schestowitz-TR2 good thinking, I think we should do a followup with numeric data

[10:59] schestowitz-TR2 I can do some at my end too

[10:59] schestowitz-TR2 later on..

[10:59] schestowitz-TR2 I've just added a long footnote to the summary

[10:59] schestowitz-TR2 (video still processing, it's all unscripted, but that helps prepare me for the text)

● Oct 27

[11:02] techrights-sec[2] right but the current draft needs some real numbers even if a followup is

[11:02] techrights-sec[2] done later

[11:02] techrights-sec[2] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/07/13/u-s-newsroom-employment-has-fallen-26-since-2008/

[11:02] techrights-sec[2] https://academic.oup.com/book/9680/chapter-abstract/156813089?redirhttps://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2022/06/

[11:02] techrights-sec[2] newspapers-close-decline-in-local-journalism/

[11:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.pewresearch.org | U.S. newsroom employment has fallen 26% since 2008 | Pew Research Center

[11:02] techrights-sec[2] https://www.poynter.org/business-work/2022/how-we-end-local-news-deserts/

[11:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-academic.oup.com | The Decline of Journalism since 1945 | Making News: The Political Economy of Journalism in Britain and America from the Glorious Revolution to the Internet | Oxford Academic

[11:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.poynter.org | How we end local news deserts - Poynter

[11:02] schestowitz-TR2 thanks, adding......

[11:03] techrights-sec[2] np

[11:03] techrights-sec[2] plus the others you already have on file ...

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[11:46] techrights-sec[2] https://www.techrepublic.com/article/military-intelligence-dod-finally-finally-bans-html-e-mail/

[11:46] techrights-sec[2] https://aty.sdsu.edu/bibliog/HTML.html

[11:46] techrights-sec[2] https://www.networkworld.com/article/2333079/html-e-mail-not-worth-the-risk.html

[11:46] techrights-sec[2] http://archive.birdhouse.org/etc/evilmail.html

[11:46] techrights-sec[2] http://www.asciiribbon.org/

[11:46] techrights-sec[2] https://web.archive.org/web/20010824052537/http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml

[11:46] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Military Intelligence? DoD finally (FINALLY) bans HTML e-mail | TechRepublic

[11:46] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-aty.sdsu.edu | Why NOT to use HTML in e-mail

[11:46] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.networkworld.com | HTML e-mail not worth the risk | Network World

[11:46] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-archive.birdhouse.org | Why HTML in E-Mail is a Bad Idea

[11:46] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.asciiribbon.org | The Ascii Ribbon Campaign official homepage

[11:46] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | 7 reasons why HTML email is a bad thing

[11:46] schestowitz-TR2 draft

[11:46] schestowitz-TR2 adding...

[11:59] schestowitz-TR2 dradft

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[12:28] schestowitz-TR2 dradft

[12:28] schestowitz-TR2 i am paraphrasing at the moment for the blank summary

[12:28] schestowitz-TR2 thanks

[12:28] schestowitz-TR2 next post will take longer, it's the upc thing

[12:28] schestowitz-TR2 video already processing

[12:36] schestowitz-TR2 rianne just posted in TM

[12:36] schestowitz-TR2 when when it reached the gemini stage it presented a ton of output in the CLI

[12:36] schestowitz-TR2 I checked see see html and it's fine

[12:36] schestowitz-TR2 in gemini I noticed the 'refresh'-like character does not show up correctly in recent notes

[12:36] schestowitz-TR2 but shows up OK in order pages

[12:38] techrights-sec[2] np

[12:38] techrights-sec[2] oops

[12:38] techrights-sec[2] checking, probably debug material got left in

[12:38] techrights-sec[2] fixed

[12:38] techrights-sec[2] thanks for spotting it

[12:38] techrights-sec[2]

[12:38] schestowitz-TR2 no worries, she caught it very fast :-)

[12:38] schestowitz-TR2 we had another tech issue this morning when she could not find her ebay text file

[12:39] schestowitz-TR2 but we located it OK :-)

● Oct 27

[13:52] schestowitz-TR2 draft

[13:52] schestowitz-TR2 thanks to irc being quiet I've been a lot more productive this past day

[13:52] schestowitz-TR2 even managed to sleep more!

[13:56] techrights-sec[2] checking

[13:56] techrights-sec[2] graft or grift ?

[13:56] techrights-sec[2] "because of a legal commitmemnt" -> citation needed

[13:56] techrights-sec[2] what is the connection to kaynewest?

[13:58] schestowitz-TR2 i think grifting and graft are the same

[13:58] schestowitz-TR2 but not grafting

[13:58] schestowitz-TR2 I've just reworded it

[13:58] schestowitz-TR2 i clarified why kanye mentioned

[13:59] techrights-sec[2] Both sleep and productivity !

[13:59] techrights-sec[2] there are big differences both are unethical and/or illegal though

[13:59] schestowitz-TR2 (graft/grift)

● Oct 27

[14:01] techrights-sec[2] thanks

[14:02] schestowitz-TR2 the link provided covers both the uk issue and hungary issue (2018)

[14:02] schestowitz-TR2 two in one

[14:06] techrights-sec[2] which link ?

[14:06] techrights-sec[2] Can it be highlighted with an illuminating sentence?

[14:07] schestowitz-TR2 I will emphasise these points better in the next part of the series

[14:07] schestowitz-TR2 I still don't show all the cards

[14:07] schestowitz-TR2 also, I think sending links to MEPs gives them "more work"

[14:07] schestowitz-TR2 better to first touch baser and check their interest

[14:07] schestowitz-TR2 *base

[14:23] techrights-sec[2] [citatin needed]

[14:25] schestowitz-TR2 said the Wikipedia article, groomed with many "reputable" law firms as citations ;-)

[14:25] schestowitz-TR2 they get paid a lot per hour, so they MUST be right

[14:26] schestowitz-TR2 rianne found only 2 links

[14:26] schestowitz-TR2 slow news again, it must be weekend already for site editors ;-)

[14:28] techrights-sec[2] ack

[14:30] schestowitz-TR2 this means I need to let it pile up a bit, then get creative with clustering to make the stories more ponent

[14:30] schestowitz-TR2 by quantity

[14:30] schestowitz-TR2 I took a peek, it's dry like weekends

[14:30] schestowitz-TR2 it's a miiracle that things just magicallyh "stopped happening" in the worlsd

[14:30] schestowitz-TR2 when journalism died

[14:30] schestowitz-TR2 like in china...

[14:30] schestowitz-TR2 "no news is good news; now go back to work, the price of food will double soon"

[14:50] schestowitz-TR2 -

[14:50] schestowitz-TR2 if you check recent entries in tuxmachines over gemini://

[14:50] schestowitz-TR2 you will see that headlines struggle with "special" chars

[14:50] schestowitz-TR2 I checked older pages and they worked correctly

[14:50] schestowitz-TR2 maybe type or char def somewhere?

● Oct 27

[15:24] techrights-sec[2] ack

[15:24] techrights-sec[2] checking

[15:24] techrights-sec[2] playing whac-a-mole with utf-8 quirks

[15:26] schestowitz-TR2 I still have not solved all the urf woes at my end

[15:26] schestowitz-TR2 and rely a lot of substitution hacks

[15:26] schestowitz-TR2 so much for standards

[15:26] schestowitz-TR2 and handling of "universal" languages

[15:26] schestowitz-TR2 html is much of the same

[15:26] schestowitz-TR2 kiss would have prevented at least some of this chaos

[15:26] schestowitz-TR2 in librewold i still have some utf-8 issues

[15:26] schestowitz-TR2 and they probablky struggle to fix those

[15:26] schestowitz-TR2 as the firefox codebase is vast

[15:29] schestowitz-TR2 (NEW): The GNOME Project is closing all its mailing lists http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/27/The_GNOME_Project_is_closing_all_its_mailing_lists.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/27/The_GNOME_Project_is_closing_all_its_mailing_lists.gmi

[15:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines The GNOME Project is closing all its mailing lists

[15:30] schestowitz-TR2 abandoning email for "web" (JS crap, bloat, hard to maintain in the long run -> data loss)

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[15:32] techrights-sec[2] The core of the problem is that bytes were misused as being synonymous with

[15:32] techrights-sec[2] characters back in the day. Now 20+ years later, we are still dealing with

[15:32] techrights-sec[2] the cruft and legacy.

[15:32] techrights-sec[2] The good part in the TM work flow is that the problems have nearly all been

[15:32] techrights-sec[2] in the last step or very close to it. Most importantly of all the data has

[15:32] techrights-sec[2] been getting into the database in the correct encoding. So far.

[15:32] techrights-sec[2] Not enough time is spent in most projects to remove or clean up old code.

[15:32] techrights-sec[2] There are a lot of merits to even "just" updating to the current writing style

[15:32] techrights-sec[2] because old mistakes will surface through that process. However, in the

[15:32] techrights-sec[2] specific case of FF and TB you have the proble of it looking like Baker is out

[15:33] techrights-sec[2] to slowly destroy the project from within on behalf of the "donor" Google

[15:33] techrights-sec[2] Not just data loss but financial loss since HTML mail in general and web mail

[15:33] techrights-sec[2] in particular make it not just feasible but easy to phish at the same time

[15:33] techrights-sec[2] it makes it all but impossible to avoid phishing other than by acting on

[15:33] techrights-sec[2] hunches or clues because all the real information is hidden. Beyond hiding,

[15:33] techrights-sec[2] your old friend javascript can be used to obfuscate the true destination

[15:33] techrights-sec[2] of various embedded links. So "hovering" over them will give a false message.

[15:35] matteobin That's sad, I really like mailing lists. :(

[15:38] techrights-sec[2] tbh, I was never a fan

[15:38] techrights-sec[2] I liked knode for newsgroups better

[15:38] techrights-sec[2] but some mail clients handle mailing lists well

[15:38] techrights-sec[2] not the web based ones

[15:38] techrights-sec[2] but email is "old"

[15:38] techrights-sec[2] NNTP is "old"

[15:39] techrights-sec[2] I wonder whose decision it was to go "CMS'

[15:39] techrights-sec[2] with simple discussions

[15:39] matteobin I use mutt: it's old and it rocks. So does email. Who cares if it's old?

[15:41] techrights-sec[2] theory:

[15:42] techrights-sec[2] people who cannot master "old" things try to impose "new" on the elders

[15:43] matteobin Maybe

[15:43] matteobin But I'm not old.

[15:43] matteobin I'm 27. I was born when mutt was created.

[15:43] schestowitz-TR2 reasons to like simpler tools:

[15:44] schestowitz-TR2 1) they don't change too much

[15:44] schestowitz-TR2 2) archiving can be simpler, portability too

[15:44] schestowitz-TR2 I still use Palm PDA of the old generation

[15:44] matteobin Indeed

[15:44] schestowitz-TR2 "modern" stuff changes too fast and too often

[15:44] schestowitz-TR2 even wordpress

[15:44] schestowitz-TR2 because of imaginiary users

[15:45] schestowitz-TR2 they say they make it easier for "n00bs"

[15:45] matteobin Life's short and hard. There is no value in learning new shiny tools if it's not really worth it.

[15:45] schestowitz-TR2 but actually they tend to further complicate the UI

[15:45] schestowitz-TR2 and..

[15:45] matteobin Damn noobs! :D

[15:45] schestowitz-TR2 they make ito harder for people who trained for the old UI

[15:45] schestowitz-TR2 matteobin: did you read the article from Andy?

[15:46] schestowitz-TR2 gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/26/How_Digital_Systems_Fail_Our_Institutions_By_Dr_Andy_Farnell.gmi

[15:46] schestowitz-TR2 gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/26/when-digital-systems-fail/index.gmi

[15:46] schestowitz-TR2 it covers those points

[15:46] schestowitz-TR2 how his students (he's a university teacher) struggle because they keep "improving" the system

[15:46] matteobin I don't have a gemini client.

[15:47] schestowitz-TR2 ok, wait

[15:49] schestowitz http://gemini.techrights.org/proxy?url=gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/26/when-digital-systems-fail/index.gmi

[15:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-gemini.techrights.org | Gemini Proxy for Techrights

[15:49] schestowitz ffs, firefox just fired ADS at me!

[15:58] matteobin I'll read it. Thanks.

● Oct 27

[16:03] schestowitz-TR2 sorry, i messed up :(

[16:03] schestowitz-TR2 i also need to delete firefox I think

[16:03] schestowitz-TR2 see post from 30 secs ago

[16:03] schestowitz-TR2 germany is priority atm because they have not ratified but MIGHT in nov of dev

[16:03] schestowitz-TR2 *dec

[16:03] schestowitz-TR2 we want to delay or prevent this

[16:03] schestowitz-TR2 as we succcessfully did in 2017

[16:03] schestowitz-TR2 they were ABOUT to ratify

[16:03] schestowitz-TR2 france ratified

[16:03] schestowitz-TR2 uk cannot ratify

[16:03] schestowitz-TR2 3 are a MUST

[16:03] schestowitz-TR2 (re upc)

[16:03] techrights-sec[2] Checking

[16:03] techrights-sec[2] not sure what the post is about but it seems related to ryan's?

[16:04] matteobin Why do you want to delete FF?

[16:04] schestowitz-TR2 ryan did not focus on the ads aspect

[16:06] schestowitz-TR2 Mozilla Keeps Changing Users Settings to Blast Misinformation (or Present Dishonest Ads) at Them in New Tabs | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/27/mozilla-adware/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/27/mozilla-adware/

[16:06] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Mozilla Keeps Changing Users Settings to Blast Misinformation (or Present Dishonest Ads) at Them in New Tabs | Techrights

[16:12] matteobin That article is great!

[16:12] matteobin THANK YOU!

[16:12] matteobin You made my day.

[16:12] schestowitz-TR2 :-)

[16:12] schestowitz-TR2 I will tell Andy

[16:12] matteobin Whenever I read thinkgs like that I feel not alone.

[16:12] matteobin Sometimes I fear to be paranoid or mad.

[16:12] schestowitz-TR2 he wrote many other good articles

[16:12] schestowitz-TR2 that you can find in TR

[16:13] matteobin At least I'm not the only one.

[16:13] schestowitz-TR2 no, i am the same

[16:13] schestowitz-TR2 techrights-sec[2] also

[16:13] matteobin I should definetely change job.

[16:13] schestowitz-TR2 "too much" fake "tech"

[16:13] schestowitz-TR2 they're pioured out mustard all over the steak

[16:14] matteobin Indeed. I've recently started learning C, reading The C Programming Language and it's so much better.

[16:15] matteobin I'm touched by its simplicity yet its usefulness.

[16:16] matteobin People keep telling me "modern" systems are good, but I don't see why FOR ME they should be great.

[16:21] schestowitz-TR2 techrights-sec[2]:

[16:21] schestowitz-TR2 re breyer

[16:21] schestowitz-TR2 i want to be amici to him

[16:21] schestowitz-TR2 not inbox nuisance

[16:21] schestowitz-TR2 so no URLs yet

[16:21] schestowitz-TR2 just preliminary chat

[16:21] schestowitz-TR2 he knows TR already

[16:21] schestowitz-TR2 and knows the issues

[16:21] schestowitz-TR2 he hates swpats

[16:21] schestowitz-TR2 matteobin: I sent to andy your feedback

[16:21] schestowitz-TR2 by email

[16:21] schestowitz-TR2 (just now)

[16:21] schestowitz-TR2 matteobin: we still use irc

[16:21] schestowitz-TR2 born 1988

[16:21] schestowitz-TR2 I adopted it when I was 14 or 13

[16:22] schestowitz-TR2 i still use it

[16:22] schestowitz-TR2 it still works, even better than before

[16:22] schestowitz-TR2 but it is compatible with 1980s systems

[16:23] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/08/24/techrights-backward-compatible/

[16:23] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Techrights Compatible With Computers From 30+ Years Ago | Techrights

[16:23] matteobin I've started using IRC recently, because I wanted to know people who valued the same things I value.

[16:24] schestowitz-TR2 you can still use this channel with an old clunker from the 1980s

[16:24] schestowitz-TR2 and the site with 1990s browsers

[16:24] matteobin It's so refreshing to talk with people like you, really. It's hard to be the only "strange" IT guy.

[16:25] matteobin Even my friends think I'm kind of mad.

[16:25] schestowitz-TR2 no, we are not few

[16:25] schestowitz-TR2 many like us

[16:25] matteobin They don't understand, they usually think in shorterm.

[16:25] schestowitz-TR2 but the media discards us

[16:25] schestowitz-TR2 we're not good for its advertisers

[16:25] schestowitz-TR2 I'm a c programmer also

[16:26] matteobin Nice!

[16:26] schestowitz-TR2 it's not the only domain where the people who know the trade reject a lot of its products

[16:26] schestowitz-TR2 as insufficiency good

[16:26] matteobin You're right.

[16:26] schestowitz-TR2 those who follow the herd out of insecurity are ill informed

[16:26] schestowitz-TR2 because they are ill-equipped to know the impact

[16:27] schestowitz-TR2 like what happens when they pay with ID

[16:27] schestowitz-TR2 (card, loyalty card, credit card)

[16:27] schestowitz-TR2 and what happens to this data

[16:27] schestowitz-TR2 or what that phone in the pocket does

[16:27] schestowitz-TR2 and how much electricity it takes

[16:27] schestowitz-TR2 and the impact of radiation

[16:27] schestowitz-TR2 (a suppressed issue)

[16:27] schestowitz-TR2 I'd listen to the chef, not the cook

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[16:28] schestowitz-TR2 and certainly not the person at the till

[16:28] schestowitz-TR2 they just want to maximise sales

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[16:28] matteobin I host my own mail, XMPP, FTP, VoIP and web server. Some or VPS, others not. But that's the way schools or businesses should do it.

[16:28] schestowitz-TR2 and would even inject water into the chicken to fake its size

[16:28] matteobin Many chefs are seduced by this world.

[16:28] matteobin Because it pays a lot of money.

[16:28] schestowitz-TR2 > But that's the way schools or businesses should do it.

[16:28] schestowitz-TR2 that is how they used to do it

[16:29] schestowitz-TR2 before "clown computing" hype

[16:29] schestowitz-TR2 like you are left behind if you don't outsource all your systems

[16:29] schestowitz-TR2 were were there before

[16:29] schestowitz-TR2 ICBM mainframes

[16:29] schestowitz-TR2 and then servers got cheaper

[16:29] schestowitz-TR2 and now we're meant to become mere "subscribers" for servers

[16:29] schestowitz-TR2 and for phones, PCs

[16:29] schestowitz-TR2 "enter your gmail account to start using this laptop..."

[16:30] matteobin Yes, exactly. My high school website praises itself because they use the G-Suite. Really?! Information Freedom...

[16:30] schestowitz-TR2 gulag is slavery

[16:30] schestowitz-TR2 or rather

[16:30] schestowitz-TR2 more politely, colonialism

[16:30] schestowitz-TR2 and you can see who bankrolls this

[16:30] schestowitz-TR2 the same country that put like 40 military bases in your country

[16:30] schestowitz-TR2 even 80 years after the war

[16:31] matteobin I concur!

[16:31] matteobin You are so right.

[16:32] matteobin It's hard to express how I feel traped by all this madness.

[16:32] matteobin *trapped

[16:32] schestowitz-TR2 things changed

[16:32] schestowitz-TR2 because some european countries vote for fascists

[16:32] schestowitz-TR2 and the media cannot stop this

[16:32] schestowitz-TR2 nor can I

[16:33] schestowitz-TR2 because they are fed up with colonial economy

[16:33] schestowitz-TR2 but the people fail to see the real issue is not "the immigrants"

[16:33] schestowitz-TR2 and we're decades to late to change it

[16:33] schestowitz-TR2 a lot of italian [sic] cars are made in parts abroad

[16:33] schestowitz-TR2 then assembled locally

[16:34] schestowitz-TR2 relying on cheap labour abroad

[16:34] matteobin Don't tell me. We've had elections recently... :'(

[16:44] techrights-sec[2] Alex Jones' business model was actually lying. He apparently never had any

[16:44] techrights-sec[2] other intention.

[16:44] schestowitz-TR2 in the past, some politicians leaked material to TR

[16:44] schestowitz-TR2 but I cannot name them or give pointers

[16:44] schestowitz-TR2 as that can expose who they were

[16:44] schestowitz-TR2 TR is one of those "dirty" sites some people never want to publicly admit they read

[16:44] schestowitz-TR2 but they read it

[16:44] schestowitz-TR2 and it is demonised

[16:44] schestowitz-TR2 that almost all epo workers at least habitually read it says a lot

[16:44] schestowitz-TR2 because they know how to assess veracity of sources

[16:44] schestowitz-TR2 based on their actual track record

[16:44] schestowitz-TR2 alex jones got in deep shit because he lies

[16:44] schestowitz-TR2 we're ok after 16 years

[16:45] schestowitz-TR2 no lawsuits filed, nothing to sue over

[16:45] schestowitz-TR2 but we're demonised for truth

[16:45] schestowitz-TR2 he's demonised for bullshit

[16:45] schestowitz-TR2 and dog whistles

[16:45] schestowitz-TR2 apropos, john the dr. from carlyle is demonised by the cartel in youtube

[16:45] schestowitz-TR2 and they try to deplatform him

[16:45] schestowitz-TR2 I don't expect to ever be "popular" with everyone

[16:45] schestowitz-TR2 pocock failed to protect his name, imho

[16:45] schestowitz-TR2 partly because of some tasteless thing he did in fact publish

[16:45] schestowitz-TR2 matteobin: posted in block chunks as we use ytalk over ssh

[16:45] schestowitz-TR2 very old school

[16:48] techrights-sec[2] ack

[16:49] matteobin What is TR? And what does ACK mean?

[16:51] schestowitz-TR2 techrights

[16:51] schestowitz-TR2 and "acknowledged"

[16:51] schestowitz-TR2 New NHS data: COVID-19 TESTS are down. Yay!! VICTORY! We're not checking infections.

[16:51] schestowitz-TR2 Soon 210,000 COVID-19-linked deaths in the UK. About 2000 EXTRA deaths each WEEK, not attributed to COVID-19 because we're not properly testing or checking the root causes.

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[16:53] schestowitz-TR2 To know what's going on with COVID-19 in the UK follow ONS for estimates of fatalities/victims/casualties of the surge of COVID-19. It's about 2000 more people PER WEEK (than before pandemic). That's almost 10,000 EXTRA deaths PER MONTH. The media doesn't talk about this.

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[16:56] matteobin How do you talk via SSH? What does EPO stand for?

[16:59] matteobin Oh... talk is a program. I didn't know that.

● Oct 27

[17:00] schestowitz-TR2 talk or ytalk

[17:00] schestowitz-TR2 EPO is European Patent Office

[17:00] schestowitz-TR2 we posted about 4000 articles about EPO this past decade

[17:00] schestowitz-TR2 it is the elephant in the room

[17:00] schestowitz-TR2 super corrupt

[17:01] schestowitz-TR2 and europe's SECOND-LARGEST org

[17:01] schestowitz-TR2 selling monopolies to foreign firms

[17:03] matteobin Oh... I see.

[17:05] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/EPO

[17:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights

[17:13] techrights-sec[2] ack

[17:14] schestowitz-TR2 some evil tongue about PP and Breyer also

[17:14] schestowitz-TR2 UPC boosters got very aggressive

[17:14] schestowitz-TR2 and they are bulldozing the law atm

[17:14] schestowitz-TR2 hoping not to get caught

[17:14] schestowitz-TR2 after decade of lying to client

[17:14] schestowitz-TR2 *clients

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[17:16] techrights-sec[2] ack

[17:17] schestowitz-TR2 iow, epo/megacros/law firms (upc) discredit europe, eu, and "the systems" (several of them)

[17:17] schestowitz-TR2 but the media goes out of its way to not explain what goes on

[17:17] schestowitz-TR2 so f* them

[17:18] schestowitz-TR2 wait, better to say, today's media is PART of "the system"

[17:18] schestowitz-TR2 hence, it does not eat its own

[17:18] schestowitz-TR2 and it tries to deplatform the opposition

[17:20] matteobin Gotta go. Thank you again for the article.

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[17:28] techrights-sec[2] ack

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● Oct 27

[19:12] schestowitz-TR2 yesterday was nice and calm

[19:12] schestowitz-TR2 today started on the right track

[19:12] schestowitz-TR2 irc is the sum total of the people in it

[19:12] schestowitz-TR2 for now, I keep out until it settles

[19:12] schestowitz-TR2 focusing on news

[19:16] schestowitz-TR2 there is no safer alternative to coexistence

[19:16] schestowitz-TR2 not saner, safter

[19:16] schestowitz-TR2 *safer

[19:16] schestowitz-TR2 I'm reading rss links now

[19:16] schestowitz-TR2 time wasted: 0 seconds

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[19:28] techrights-sec[2] https://birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/

[19:28] techrights-sec[2] "I once preached peaceful coexistence with Windows. You may laugh at my expense -- I deserve it."

[19:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-birdhouse.org | He Who Controls the Bootloader

[19:28] schestowitz-TR2 that was about Microsoft ;-)

[19:33] schestowitz-TR2 I'm more like Ray Noorda

[19:33] schestowitz-TR2 Microsoft is... unique

[19:33] schestowitz-TR2 anyway, I look away and get shit done

[19:33] schestowitz-TR2 irc has beena round for ages

[19:33] schestowitz-TR2 it won't end without someone 'pulling a Lee'

[19:34] schestowitz-TR2 rianne is leaving tomorrow around noon

[19:34] schestowitz-TR2 that won't affect anything I do

[19:34] schestowitz-TR2 I'll try to do more videos later tonioght

[19:34] schestowitz-TR2 if you have any topics

[19:34] schestowitz-TR2 I can see some in 'the news' but they're not "novel" or exciting

[19:36] schestowitz-TR2 ----

[19:36] schestowitz-TR2 rianne's mom keeps reminding her to make lots of food and prepare

[19:36] schestowitz-TR2 and she keeps joking about it

[19:36] schestowitz-TR2 anyway, there is fresh cooked food, a fridge and freezer full already

[19:36] schestowitz-TR2 and the house is very clean

[19:38] schestowitz-TR2 ----

[19:38] schestowitz-TR2 poor brian fagioli, unable to attract comments

[19:38] schestowitz-TR2 he starts provoking aqndf baiting

[19:38] schestowitz-TR2 a very short-term strategy

[19:38] schestowitz-TR2 nestor hates his guts for it

[19:38] schestowitz-TR2 and really likes how TR is having a go at his drama

[19:38] schestowitz-TR2 nestor never covers corporate/LF shit

[19:38] schestowitz-TR2 and almost never write provocative headlines or covers controversial topics

[19:41] schestowitz-TR2 afew hours ago I joked with rianne about how some trolls try to mess with people's temper and

[19:42] schestowitz-TR2 cause impatience a

[19:42] schestowitz-TR2 and how with me, unlike her, they are largely unsuccessful

[19:42] schestowitz-TR2 I learned from a mistake I made like 18 years ago when responding to a super-nasty troll

[19:42] schestowitz-TR2 and then got quoted without the context

[19:42] schestowitz-TR2 anyway, with upc too, it is a political strategt

[19:42] schestowitz-TR2 taking breaks from irc is as easy as moving to another virtual desktop on that screen and coming back

[19:42] schestowitz-TR2 later on

[19:42] schestowitz-TR2 with annoying news, food or exercise breaks help as well

[19:42] schestowitz-TR2 and never typing an actual article whilst angry

[19:42] schestowitz-TR2 because emotion and facts are separate

[19:42] schestowitz-TR2 I learned that from OOXML saga

[19:42] techrights-sec[2] ack

● Oct 27

[21:03] schestowitz-TR2 https://nitter.it/planert41/status/1585662371586101250#m

[21:03] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-PPE (@planert41): "Someone just wrote about this http://techrights.org/2022/10/26/when-digital-systems-fail/"|nitter.it