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● Jan 25

[00:17] schestowitz pi@raspberrypi:~/old/pi $ ls -la /var/log/syslog*

[00:17] schestowitz -rw-r----- 1 root adm 10883849 Jan 25 00:16 /var/log/syslog

[00:17] schestowitz -rw-r----- 1 root adm 13765320 Jan 23 00:00 /var/log/syslog.1

[00:17] schestowitz if you know how to make the rotation happen every 24 hours, such that .1 is always a 24-hour chunk, the stats in our gemini capsule will be corrected. I've not good at logrotate

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● Jan 25

[01:16] schestowitz-TR2 rianne has been checking raspi 400

[01:16] schestowitz-TR2 it is almost 100 pounds now

[01:16] schestowitz-TR2 the idea is,

[01:16] schestowitz-TR2 ipsec on it

[01:16] schestowitz-TR2 she can experiment on it

[01:16] schestowitz-TR2 it's vpn fallbak

[01:16] schestowitz-TR2 to what extent it can nbe used to back up for the main pi I do not know

[01:16] schestowitz-TR2 but I assume they are compatible as it is the same board inside

[01:18] Techrights-sec same CPU IIRC in the recent models but ever so slightly different in the old

[01:18] Techrights-sec models/ The 400 is like a slightly heavy keyboard. It's mostly quite nice

[01:18] Techrights-sec as far as inexpensive keyboards go. The main downside I see is that the

[01:18] Techrights-sec attached keyboard itself uses one of the USB ports internally, leaving only

[01:18] Techrights-sec three on the outside.

[01:18] schestowitz-TR2 regarding logrotate, maybe it is set to weekly rotation?

[01:18] schestowitz-TR2 maybe I am one command away from 'fixing' it?

[01:18] schestowitz-TR2 regarding logrotate, maybe it is set to weekly rotation?

[01:18] schestowitz-TR2 maybe I am one command away from 'fixing' it?

[01:19] Techrights-sec Yes, taking a look at how to modify the the systemd.timer. Take a look in ~

[01:19] Techrights-sec for logrotate for /etc/logrotat.d/rsyslog and logrotate.timer for

[01:19] Techrights-sec /lib/systemd/system/logrotate.timer replacements. Not sure yet how to

[01:19] Techrights-sec reload the "timers"

[01:21] Techrights-sec I guess it is systemctl daemon-reload ; systemctl restart logrotate.timer

[01:24] schestowitz WantedBy=timers.target

[01:24] schestowitz pi@raspberrypi:/home/gemini $ diff logrotate.timer /lib/systemd/system/logrotate.timer

[01:24] schestowitz 7c7

[01:24] schestowitz < AccuracySecs=1us

[01:24] schestowitz ---

[01:24] schestowitz > AccuracySec=1h

[01:24] schestowitz pi@raspberrypi:/home/gemini $ sudo cp logrotate.timer /lib/systemd/system/logrotate.timer

[01:26] schestowitz pi@raspberrypi:/home/gemini $ diff logrotate.timer /lib/systemd/system/logrotate.timer

[01:26] schestowitz pi@raspberrypi:/home/gemini $

[01:31] schestowitz there is no rsyslog where you specified it, I find some find| grep, no luck

[01:31] Techrights-sec YEs, it's already set for daily. Hopefully systemd means that to be at 00:00

[01:31] Techrights-sec exactly, but who knows.

[01:31] Techrights-sec """

[01:31] Techrights-sec Warning: The unit file, source configuration file or drop-ins of logrotate.timer

[01:31] Techrights-sec changed on disk. Run 'systemctl daemon-reload' to reload units.

[01:31] Techrights-sec """

[01:31] Techrights-sec ~gemini/rsyslog

[01:32] schestowitz-TR2 I mean for target file

[01:37] Techrights-sec /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog

[01:37] Techrights-sec changed the order within ~gemini/rsyslog

[01:38] Techrights-sec remember to later do 'systemctl daemon-reload' and 'systemctl restart logrotat.ti

[01:38] Techrights-sec mer'

[01:41] schestowitz-TR2 done

[01:41] Techrights-sec also double check to ensure that there is no logrotate entry in root's cron

[01:41] Techrights-sec thanks

[01:42] schestowitz-TR2 i suppose easiest thing now is, wait till midnight

[01:42] schestowitz-TR2 as this had no immediate effect on existing files, of which there are two only

[01:43] Techrights-sec ack

[01:44] schestowitz-TR2 as you shall see based on irc logs, which I redact as best I can for site-elated

[01:44] schestowitz-TR2 comms, my goal is to make 3 videos a day

[01:44] schestowitz-TR2 ltely we have had lots of technical barriers so a lot of time was lost

[01:44] schestowitz-TR2 i will try to make up this week

[01:44] schestowitz-TR2 I alraeady havbe 6 or 8 days off work next month

[01:44] Techrights-sec ack

[01:44] Techrights-sec the modifications to the above files need to go in the backuos some how, too

[01:45] schestowitz-TR2 can you pls add these to git?

[01:46] Techrights-sec ok no problem

[01:46] schestowitz comments of interest:

[01:46] schestowitz 10x in http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/01/19/upc-provisional-application-period-enters-into-force/#comments

[01:47] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | UPC - Provisional Application Period enters into force - Kluwer Patent Blog

[01:47] schestowitz still open for commenting: http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/01/21/interviews-for-future-judges-unified-patent-court-will-take-place-this-spring/#comments

[01:47] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Interviews for future judges Unified Patent Court will take place this spring - Kluwer Patent Blog

[01:48] schestowitz email caught up with today (after one week of hectic schedule), pasted in irc some searx-related chat. we do huge damage to ddg^h^hrosoft

[01:49] schestowitz vulpes proxy still down???? replaced for now with contingency, which required JS and nodejs (at back end) https://proxy.vulpes.one/

[01:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 502 @ https://proxy.vulpes.one/ )

[01:50] schestowitz https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/ still dead, I wonder if it'll ever come back at all (been ~2 months)

[01:50] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/ )

[01:51] Techrights-sec added to git now

[01:51] Techrights-sec they need to clean up their act; there is a need for a privacy-oriented

[01:51] Techrights-sec search service but they 1) might not be capable 2) might not be allowed

[01:51] Techrights-sec See also recent changes in the EU with the DSA

[01:51] Techrights-sec too bad

[01:52] schestowitz tested gemini again, I think it should be 100% same as before the crash starting next day/midnight, traffic in past 2 days was around 45k requests (just enough to slow down our upstream connection a little bit)

[01:53] Techrights-sec excellent

[01:53] Techrights-sec BTW perhaps the unit file directory in Git should be renamed to something

[01:53] Techrights-sec more generic?

[01:54] schestowitz-TR2 based on drafts I saw, andy will assign gemini projects to students

[01:54] Techrights-sec Awesome! It used to be that writing a HTTP server was the "Hello, World!"

[01:54] Techrights-sec of networking, but Gemini is even better. It's a simpler protocol and

[01:54] Techrights-sec gets them exposed to TLS right away.

[01:55] schestowitz-TR2 i am reluctant to change too much at skeletal level of git as some scripts have

[01:55] schestowitz-TR2 hard-coded in them the names of directories to display, so there will be some

[01:56] schestowitz-TR2 extra work and testing needed for small changes

[01:56] Techrights-sec

[01:56] Techrights-sec :( hardcoding is not safe

[01:56] schestowitz-TR2 yes, you can see the code in question in git by grep -R some-git-dir and then improve that a bit, deploy

● Jan 25

[02:01] Techrights-sec ok

[02:01] Techrights-sec $ grep -l -R 'Unit-files' ./*

[02:01] Techrights-sec ./Gemini/gemini-git-update.sh.orig

[02:01] Techrights-sec just the one legacy script. It is not used I think?

[02:02] schestowitz-TR2 I have just surfed the whole git section to check it's all "sane".

[02:02] schestowitz-TR2 it is working correctly

[02:02] schestowitz-TR2 there is a script that looks for "autorised" (for public viewing) dirs

[02:02] schestowitz-TR2 and then presents them with a friendlier name

[02:02] schestowitz-TR2 and their full contents

[02:02] schestowitz-TR2 from 'cat' iirc

[02:03] schestowitz-TR2 the part which rewrites the names if the dirs

[02:03] schestowitz-TR2 that might be a little barrier to full automation for all dirs

[02:03] schestowitz-TR2 iirc, last week we added another new dir

[02:03] schestowitz-TR2 I cannot recall what it was calledp

[02:03] schestowitz-TR2 you added one

[02:04] schestowitz-TR2 my sister's bday today, 2 years my senior

[02:05] schestowitz-TR2 back to GE in onbe month

[02:05] schestowitz-TR2 it's GE that I mentioned yesterday in relation to still using Vista and very anci

[02:05] schestowitz-TR2 ent Debian

[02:19] Techrights-sec It's bizarre that they started with Vista in the first place, there were

[02:19] Techrights-sec no advantages to it and the migration costs were similar to upgrading to

[02:19] Techrights-sec GNU/Linux

[02:19] Techrights-sec LTS distros are a better fit, if they delay so long. But there needs to be

[02:19] Techrights-sec a budget for upgrades in addition to marking it on the calendar some years

[02:19] Techrights-sec in advance. Otherwise they must choose a rollingrelease distro and deal with

[02:19] Techrights-sec the small amounts of inconvenience very frequently. I'd say that

[02:19] Techrights-sec the LTS route is the way to go but one of the risks is that there will be

[02:19] Techrights-sec turn over in managment long before then and that the budget (both time and

[02:19] Techrights-sec money and staffing) for migration will get looted between now and then.

[02:19] Techrights-sec The migration from Vista to Vista11 will be more than to KDE probably.

[02:19] Techrights-sec There used to be lots of cost-benefit studies showing that even if the gains

[02:19] Techrights-sec were temporary in regards to desktop security, there were still very big savings

[02:19] Techrights-sec to be had by upgradingto GNU/Linux. Since the KDE 3.x days, Windows has had

[02:19] Techrights-sec worse usability than GNU/Linux.

[02:20] Techrights-sec They have to look further ahead than a single financial quarter though.

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[02:24] schestowitz-TR2 oh, wait, this is GE

[02:24] schestowitz-TR2 did I mention these idiots drove away all the *NIX people?

[02:24] schestowitz-TR2 And they now use MS Tgeams for a bunch of Windows wintendo operators?

[02:24] schestowitz-TR2 to be spoonfed commands over the phone etc?

[02:38] Techrights-sec If they are idealogially wed to M$ on the desktop, they will get hit with

[02:38] Techrights-sec ransomware. it is a matter of when not if. The impact of that can be mitigated

[02:38] Techrights-sec by having remote desktops mounted from GNU/Linux or FreeBSD with Samba on top

[02:38] Techrights-sec of OpenZFS. The OpenZFS allows very inexpensive snapshotting which means

[02:38] Techrights-sec it is trival to roll back to last known good files.

[02:38] Techrights-sec So they have /no/ IT staff any more? That's a business heading for failure.

[02:38] Techrights-sec They need to hire at least two IT staff and send the poseurs packing.

[02:38] Techrights-sec M$ Teams (r) is not even third place among the collaboration tools of its kind.

[02:38] Techrights-sec militant ignorance

[02:39] schestowitz-TR2 they offered my sister a lot of money to come back

[02:42] schestowitz-TR2 think of it as Intel/... trying hard to bring back actual geeks

[02:42] schestowitz-TR2 but afaiok mIntel failed to get rid of the saboteurs

[02:42] schestowitz-TR2 who tore down gitlab and drupal in favour of microsoft garbage

[02:42] Techrights-sec money is one thing but if it is the same old mess without a mandate to clean\hous

[02:42] Techrights-sec e then the money might not be enough

[02:46] Techrights-sec yes, the presents of /any/ M$ product is always a staffing problem.

[02:46] Techrights-sec there's not way they can be safely kept on the payroll and trusted not to

[02:46] Techrights-sec do more damage.

[02:46] schestowitz-TR2 another toipic:

[02:46] schestowitz-TR2 wishlist: a dd command that would, as root, over ssh, ISOify the raspi

[02:46] schestowitz-TR2 such that I end up with one file to which I can 'restore' to SD card

[02:46] schestowitz-TR2 the OS has enough space in it to dump its wholem self into a file in /hoome

[02:47] Techrights-sec I'm rather sure dd is the wrong tool for that. Yes, but will the later

[02:47] Techrights-sec target device be small enough ? I'd say to use one of the stock Raspberry Pi OS

[02:47] Techrights-sec images and modifiy that with Rsync.

[02:47] Techrights-sec They can be mounted and then written easily.

[02:48] schestowitz-TR2 ok, but restore and rsync would not cover system-level stuff, unless you literally rsync the whole of root, which would not go down too well

[02:49] Techrights-sec With dd the problem is not

[02:49] Techrights-sec the copying from the source it is the copying to the destination.

[02:50] schestowitz-TR2 either way, it would be nice to havw a routine by which the whole DSD card gets c

[02:50] schestowitz-TR2 lone to another

[02:50] schestowitz-TR2 an OUT-OF-DATE cloe can be brought up to date with rsync

[02:51] Techrights-sec

[02:51] Techrights-sec There is probably an established method documented out there.

[02:51] schestowitz-TR2 that I would love to know about

[02:52] schestowitz-TR2 tonight it won't be perfect or gold standard but close to where we were before, with an LTS with lots of life left in it

[02:54] schestowitz-TR2 if rianne gets another pi, we can ever HA/load-balance something like gemini, tho

[02:54] schestowitz-TR2 ugh with one single IP address (IPv4, no NAT) I doubt it'll be simple

[02:54] schestowitz-TR2 also, main point of failure is just ISP

[02:54] schestowitz-TR2 *one ISP

[02:55] Techrights-sec yes

[02:55] Techrights-sec clustering is a common activity

[02:56] schestowitz-TR2 the spare USB stick I have (32GB) can allow for quick recovery with the bullseye image, then rsync missing bits, maybe recovery time of 1 hour assuming boot from USB

[02:57] Techrights-sec there might be scripts to shrink the partition prior to using dd to copy it.

● Jan 25

[03:08] Techrights-sec That would probablhy work. The dd image would be a copy which would be mounted a

[03:08] Techrights-sec nd then the new installation would be the rsync target from the mounted image

[03:08] Techrights-sec The Raspberry Pi uses a primary partition rather than an LVM

[03:19] schestowitz-TR2 tidying up desk

[03:19] schestowitz-TR2 first time in months

[03:19] schestowitz-TR2 need to learn to use the pen while recording

[03:19] schestowitz-TR2 to keep mental flow

[03:19] schestowitz-TR2 but would not work if camera on face

[03:27] Techrights-sec ack

[03:27] Techrights-sec just tested adding an extra partition to the end of the stock RPi image

[03:27] Techrights-sec to reserve the space. The expansion script can't handle the presence

[03:27] Techrights-sec of an additional partition. Some other approach is needed.

[03:28] schestowitz-TR2 my knowledge of dd and .img file is weak

[03:30] Techrights-sec creating an image from dd is no problem. the solution might be to

[03:30] Techrights-sec do that and then when needed, mount it loopback on your destop annd rsync to

[03:30] Techrights-sec the new image on a new device.

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● Jan 25

[08:33] Techrights-sec http not responding

[08:33] Techrights-sec restarting httpd

[08:41] schestowitz-TR2 thanks!

[08:41] schestowitz-TR2 the downtime must have been short as I did not even receive an alert

[08:41] schestowitz-TR2 email from montanstic afaik

[08:45] Techrights-sec np

[08:46] Techrights-sec My script and montastic are certainly out of sync and check at different times,

[08:46] Techrights-sec which is good, since it increases the coverage. All the bugs are not out of

[08:46] Techrights-sec my script though, due to my unfamiliarity with python's modules and

[08:46] Techrights-sec the slight inconsistency in the documentation. Once it is more tested

[08:46] Techrights-sec I can add it to the Git repository.

[08:46] Techrights-sec Anyway, http was completely unresponsive for a bit but ssh was fortunately ok.

[08:49] schestowitz-TR2 some time soon there will be a storage component migration, causing a downtime ra

[08:49] schestowitz-TR2 ther long

[08:55] Techrights-sec At HV's level?

[08:55] schestowitz-TR2 physical

● Jan 25

[09:10] Techrights-sec ack

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[09:25] schestowitz-TR2 I was going to make some unimportant remark about monitoring

[09:25] schestowitz-TR2 but I forgot what it was

[09:25] schestowitz-TR2 spent over 20 mins trying to recall it lol

[09:25] schestowitz-TR2 in vain

[09:25] schestowitz-TR2 tbh, better not to demand such a recall

[09:25] schestowitz-TR2 I ever reread what triggered the though

[09:25] schestowitz-TR2 but that did not come back

[09:25] schestowitz-TR2 a few times before I reran videos where something I covered made

[09:25] schestowitz-TR2 me feel like after recording I need to do something

[09:25] schestowitz-TR2 but was unable to take notes

[09:25] schestowitz-TR2 the conclusion of it all is,

[09:25] schestowitz-TR2 better not to even try to remember

[09:25] schestowitz-TR2 I am going to record in a few mins

[09:25] schestowitz-TR2 OTA

● Jan 25

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[10:51] schestowitz-TR2 did something happen with the site?

[10:51] schestowitz-TR2 Was it or apache handled?

[10:53] Techrights-sec ack

[10:53] Techrights-sec yes, I saw that the logs stopped flowing up the screen and then checked and

[10:53] Techrights-sec saw that httpd had stopped responding so I restarted httpd. It stopped about

[10:53] Techrights-sec 25/Jan/2022:10:40:05

[10:53] Techrights-sec I restarted it after 10:45

[10:54] schestowitz-TR2 so maybe same issue as last friday

[10:56] Techrights-sec I have no idea where to look at the moment. The error logs continued for

[10:56] Techrights-sec a few minutes longer, but also stopped at Jan 25 10:49:49.009597

● Jan 25

[11:21] schestowitz-TR2 draft

[11:21] schestowitz-TR2 transcoding at the mment

[11:21] schestowitz-TR2 today I keep forgetting things

[11:21] schestowitz-TR2 first in yalk

[11:21] schestowitz-TR2 then while recording

[11:21] schestowitz-TR2 maybe a lack of sleeep and concentration deficit

[11:21] Techrights-sec :/

[11:21] Techrights-sec sign of the times?

[11:30] Techrights-sec looking at more of the logs

[11:30] schestowitz-TR2 excellent, that's very important

[11:31] Techrights-sec [25-Jan-2022 10:40:00] WARNING: [pool www] server reached pm.max_children setting

[11:31] Techrights-sec (50), consider raising it

[11:32] Techrights-sec [25-Jan-2022 10:40:04] WARNING: [pool www] child 25045, script '/home/boycottn/pu

[11:32] Techrights-sec blic_html/index.php' (request: "

[11:32] Techrights-sec GET /index.php") executing too slow (5.410458 sec), logging

[11:32] Techrights-sec preceedes with other errors and preceeded with more 'too slow' errors

[11:32] Techrights-sec in /var/log/php-fpm/error.log

[11:32] schestowitz-TR2 i wonder to what degree the bots are causing this by pushing towards bottlenecks

[11:42] Techrights-sec ack

[11:42] Techrights-sec

[11:42] Techrights-sec What is /var/log/sa/sa25 ? It looks like a binary of some kind.

[11:42] schestowitz-TR2 i am not familiar with it

[11:53] schestowitz-TR2 i have to be honest

[11:53] schestowitz-TR2 i do not know acess patterns

[11:53] schestowitz-TR2 we never used gulag 'anal'iticcs or the likes of that

[11:53] schestowitz-TR2 the way I undrstand it

[11:54] schestowitz-TR2 there are egulars

[11:54] schestowitz-TR2 there are also first times, the ones who retrieve the pertinent files from css

[11:54] schestowitz-TR2 and they stick around, due to the nature of the site, and follow link to binge so

[11:54] schestowitz-TR2 me info

[11:54] schestowitz-TR2 and read the site like an expandable booklet

[11:54] schestowitz-TR2 the real hog issue comes from bopts

[11:54] schestowitz-TR2 they got worse in recent weeks

[11:54] schestowitz-TR2 like swallowing up thousands of the same thing, per 5 minutes

[11:54] schestowitz-TR2 I see this in apachelog

[11:54] schestowitz-TR2 maybe they hit some hard limits

[11:54] schestowitz-TR2 so apache vomits

[11:55] Techrights-sec me neither

[11:55] Techrights-sec # sar -s 10:00:00 -e 11:00:00

[11:55] Techrights-sec system performance logs, probably something RHEL or CentOS

[11:55] Techrights-sec could be

[11:55] Techrights-sec none of Gemini's cron jobs fire at the times when the load was recorded as

[11:55] Techrights-sec heavym so that's not it.

● Jan 25

[12:13] Techrights-sec https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/ericsson-and-apple-escalate-pa

[12:13] Techrights-sec ent-war-in-europe/

[12:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.juve-patent.com | Ericsson and Apple escalate patent war in Europe - JUVE Patent

[12:13] schestowitz-TR2 fosspatents wrote like 8 aerticles about this and is at the cuttign edghe

[12:13] schestowitz-TR2 juve is shite shite shite

[12:15] Techrights-sec that's what I was wondering, should it be added to the spam site list for

[12:15] Techrights-sec automated culling?

[12:16] schestowitz-TR2 no, I am still watching that site for being able to rebut

[12:16] schestowitz-TR2 short story is

[12:16] schestowitz-TR2 they used to do ok journalism

[12:16] schestowitz-TR2 they covered epo scnadals

[12:16] schestowitz-TR2 in german and english

[12:16] schestowitz-TR2 some time along the way they became spamfarm for litigation companies

[12:17] schestowitz-TR2 half of their 'articles' are ads

[12:17] schestowitz-TR2 and most of the site is just a directory for litigaition firms (sponsors)

[12:17] Techrights-sec timeout again on httpd

[12:17] Techrights-sec ok it's a spam site

[12:18] schestowitz-TR2 i am not sure if the site had a real issue or just a surge in traffic due to the new post, but I guess the former, i might need a nap soon

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[12:19] Techrights-sec ack

[12:19] Techrights-sec still timed out, again,

[12:19] Techrights-sec third time over as many minutes

[12:20] schestowitz-TR2 looking at more of the logs

[12:22] Techrights-sec timeout again -- restarting httpd

[12:23] schestowitz-TR2 yes, I saw the same at my end

[12:24] schestowitz-TR2 i do see unusual patterns in apachetop

[12:24] schestowitz-TR2 notably a lot more requests than usual for old media files

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[17:18] Techrights-sec timeout again -- restarting httpd

[17:18] Techrights-sec timeout again

[17:18] Techrights-sec httpd had to be restarted, it seems available again

[17:18] schestowitz-TR2 thsaks, I saw your message while recording

[17:18] schestowitz-TR2 that helped explain why I could not reach ti nwhile rtecoprding

[17:18] Techrights-sec it was probably unavailable for < 10 minutes

[17:19] schestowitz-TR2 last friday the issue lasted less than 24 hours all in all

[17:20] Techrights-sec The script

[17:22] schestowitz-TR2 ty so much

[17:24] Techrights-sec ack

[17:24] Techrights-sec np

[17:24] Techrights-sec the script checks every 10 minutes and then sets off lights on the first failure

[17:24] Techrights-sec and checks again after 1 minute. Every second failed check produces a morse

[17:24] Techrights-sec signal on a piezoelectric buzzer. It needs fine tuning but was quick to write

[17:24] Techrights-sec As such it always needs manual reset, but that is good in this context.

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[18:54] schestowitz-TR2 httpd restart

[18:54] schestowitz-TR2 lol, now the other gateway gemini->html (JS actually) is also down

[18:54] schestowitz-TR2 both down at the same time

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