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[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >> fwiw here are some questions for xxxx, he has not responded to past

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > emails so perhaps he can get them via you this time?

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > Hi, Roy if you don't mind forwarding my responses I'd be most

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > grateful, thankyou. Sorry for if I've missed people's questions.

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] I already relay what can/should, trying to omit names if so they prefer :-)

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >> 1. What is the goal of the article?

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > It's to get readers to re-examine their idea about rights and think

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > more about responsibilities.

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > (( A strong feeling that we need to do some painful examination of

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > where "software freedom" stalled as a social/political movement.

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > Daniel Cantarin's painful rebuke to Alexandre Oliva was a

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > spark. Daniel's objections are legitimate, yet they are also

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > self-pitying and angry apologetic that fails to ask the salient

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > technical and political questions. He buys the official "security"

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > narrative hook, line and sinker, apparently accepting violation of his

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > rights as a given, inevitable and unstoppable fact of the world. Then

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > he turns this into a position that necessity makes morals optional,

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > which I experienced as a sad sort of defeatism. Because ironically,

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > Daniel is speaking from a position of responsibility, as a family

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > provider, carer and breadwinner, tormented by poverty and

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > bureaucracy. He is acting in the most moral way while trashing morals

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > as a "luxury". So at the same time he fails to see the responsibility

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > we each have as a technology user to all our fellow beings. ))

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > So the aim of my essay is to ask why we are talking past one another,

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > trying to win the "more oppressed than thou" race. I think the answer

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > is that "rights" are a weak formulation of social relations and that

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > if we try to reposition around "responsibility" it will have more

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > power.

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >> 2. How have the changes to university financing contributed to the

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > current mess?

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > Read Prof. Wendy Brown. I'm no expert and she puts the complex shift

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > from corporatism to global financialism far more eloquently than I

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > could possibly. See "Forum 22: The End of the Corporate University and

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > What We Are Now" youtube:Z5EWYohECRQ

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > In a nutshell global money made everything that is

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > moral/ethical/public unprofitable. One may still have morals, and it's

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > still possible to do humane research or help people, but you will pay

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > for it dearly.

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >> And how is it possible that science and the arts have taken a

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > distant second place to economic profit?

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > I don't quite understand that question. Clearly money /has/ displaced

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > human values, and in a way it doesn't matter "how" or "why". The

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > question of "how?" is if there is any political, social or

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > psychological remedy - because clearly it is pathological to the

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > species.

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >> 3. What are the analyses of the reasons for how we got into the

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > current mess?

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > Again, I'll defer to other smarter authors, Wendy Brown, Benjamin

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > Ginsberg, Noam Chomsky and John Taylor Gatto.

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > Synthesising all their views as if I were an LLM ... Acadmia has been

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > infiltrated and destroyed by vain, shallow, selfish impostors who are

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > complete cowards. They pushed out all the truly intelligent but less

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > aggressive people. Nobody cares, because (eveyone hates eggheads and

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > real geeks anyway) universities are now an "industry" that makes a lot

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > of money selling dreams and limiting class mobility. Soon an enormous

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > cultural and intellectual debt is going to get called-in that will

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > collapse Western society which has no innovation or creativity plan-B

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > to fall back on. "AI" is the last desperate bet of Peter-Pan

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > Capitalism to keep living in Never-Never land.

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >> 4. Who benefits from the current mess?

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > Nobody. It's a complete fucking lose-lose mess.

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > In the short term maybe about 100 financiers. But nobody actually

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > worth mentioning.

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >> 5. Why are IT magazines completely silent about these problems?

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > I don't know much about IT magazines. My friend Daniel James once

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > wrote prolifically for some of them and has given me the impression

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > they are saussage facories just like any other area of journalism that

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > needs to sell advertisement. I also think all tech media is still

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > stuck in "chirpy optimism mode". I mean, I'm an optimist, but that's

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > not the same as living in abject denial. It's like they're obliged to

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > repeat the uncritical mantra about "enormous benefits to society".

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > So, for me they're irrelevant because they're the last place on Earth

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > that would ever print "depressing cruft" from someone like me.

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >> 6. What are possible routes out of the current mess?

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > Personally I'm setting up my own university. It's a long and hard

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > process that's going to be a lifelong work. If I can educate just one

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > student the proper way it will have been worth it.

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > Already I've experienced the pressures and peverse incentives that

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > shape the current shitshow. For example: employers couldn't give a

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > crap about knowledge, creativity, innovation... they just want monkeys

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > to wind the handles. Finding students whose primary motive isn't just

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > getting an entry-level tech worker job is a challenge. The only people

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > who value knowledge are a dwindling minority of intellectuals and

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > philosophers. Besides, students don't really want knowledge

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > either. They want a certificate that says they are OK. It's all about

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > assuaging deep inner insecurity that's been planted in their minds

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > since infant school. If you do challenge their knowledge they fall

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > apart so fast bystanders get by the shrapnel.

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >> ^ also possible topics ?

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] >

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > Yes I think all of these points are wonderful topics to explore

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > further. Some of the conclusions are a bit depressing though. More

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > than the question of "can humans move beyond empty consumerism?" is

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > "can we change /in time/" becasue the clock is clearly ticking now.

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > At some point we won't be able to raise an educate a smart-enough

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] > generation in the remaining time window for survival.

[20:49] schestowitz[TR2] Relayed verbatim to the 'provocateur'. Thank you, very insightful.