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● Jan 19

[00:55] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC has pinned down a number of affected MSFT divisions

[00:55] DaemonFC I was happy to see Microsoft Edge on there.

[00:55] DaemonFC They're still gutting it and this is the second batch of firings of CHROMIUM EDGE.

[00:55] DaemonFC They already fired about 90% of their Web browser division when they got rid of IE and EdgeHTML as "supported browsers".

[00:56] DaemonFC It's important to mention that Chromium Edge was already a skeleton crew compared to IE or EdgeHTML Edge.

[00:56] DaemonFC And now they're laying into these people pretty hard.

[00:56] schestowitz-TR must have been a very small team

[00:56] schestowitz-TR maybe 100

[00:56] schestowitz-TR out of 11,000?

[00:57] DaemonFC They're not making enough money on Edge to justify employing people except to keep it working.

[00:57] schestowitz-TR so I want to see where the 1000s are

[00:57] DaemonFC You figure they'll cut the "Linux" version soon?

[00:57] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: yesterday we tried to find ingo

[00:57] DaemonFC How many people could possibly be using that?

[00:57] schestowitz-TR info

[00:57] schestowitz-TR in this channel

[00:57] schestowitz-TR about which parts of MSFT were affected

[00:57] schestowitz-TR Edge is ALMOST the OS part

[00:57] schestowitz-TR it's "cross platform"

[00:57] schestowitz-TR not because"microsoft loves l;inux

[00:58] schestowitz-TR but because it is chromium

[00:58] schestowitz-TR either way, azure is impacted

[00:58] schestowitz-TR but we need to know more

[00:58] schestowitz-TR it hurts microsoft A LOT when the media says Azure is a fialure

[00:58] schestowitz-TR the shareholders walk away

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[01:51] psydruid It's important to keep emphasising the failure of Azure

[01:51] schestowitz-TR yeah

[01:51] schestowitz-TR part of the attack on linux

[01:51] psydruid as it will cut off their oxygen supply

[01:52] schestowitz-TR we are clown company -> WE ARE HEY HI company

[01:52] schestowitz-TR they keep shifting

[01:52] schestowitz-TR as the gaming takeover seems blocked

[01:52] schestowitz-TR US and EU

[01:52] schestowitz-TR maybe UK also

[01:52] psydruid they'll have nowhere to go and will essentially have to cannibalise their products and eventually their organisation

[01:53] schestowitz-TR imagine after all those layoffs they say they spent a fortune buying a gaming company

[01:53] psydruid I think in the end the takeover will be blocked

[01:53] schestowitz-TR that might not turn up any profit

[01:53] schestowitz-TR psydruid: precisely

[01:53] psydruid this is going to be an Nvidia/ARM story

[01:54] psydruid although that one made more sense

[01:55] psydruid I think the combined company would have become the top dog within a few years replacing Intel and AMD

[01:55] psydruid the gaming takeover is just for cooking the books

[01:59] schestowitz-TR makes sense

[01:59] schestowitz-TR biab, have deadline (bulletin cutoff)

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● Jan 19

[04:13] schestowitz Re: Fwd: You called it

[04:13] schestowitz > Yes, it was even on the local m$ fanboi radio here. I'm wondering what

[04:13] schestowitz > the 1000s of frauds here who have bluffed their way through their

[04:13] schestowitz > careers behind m$ products will do. On one level I do not care, on

[04:13] schestowitz > another level they will cause trouble and have no other skills than

[04:13] schestowitz > causing trouble...

[04:19] psydruid they got their paycheck, so it did pay off for them while it lasted

[04:20] psydruid but they should have invested time into learning the "competitor's" products to last in the field

[04:24] schestowitz > I got the issue, and, although Ralph's associate xxxxxxxxxxxxxx- he's

[04:24] schestowitz > the Corporate Crime Reporter - said back in November that my story was

[04:24] schestowitz > "fascinating" and he wanted to write about it for the January issue, he

[04:24] schestowitz > didn't. Several corporate crime bills were introduced in Congress, and

[04:24] schestowitz > he wrote about them. Of course, they're more important.

[04:24] schestowitz >

[04:24] schestowitz > I sent him an e-mail to maybe get some feedback as to whether he would

[04:24] schestowitz > write about it in the future, and I've not yet gotten a reply.

[04:24] schestowitz >

[04:24] schestowitz > Just yesterday, his website wrote about "corporate capture of the legal

[04:24] schestowitz > system." But, if Microsoft/IBM capture the patent office - which is a

[04:24] schestowitz > legal system - it doesn't matter.

[04:24] schestowitz >

[04:24] schestowitz > The simple fact is that nobody cares about inventors and patents - too

[04:24] schestowitz > complicated and obscure - so they won't write about them. Even if the

[04:24] schestowitz > story relates to a pet issue of Ralph Nader.

[04:24] schestowitz >

[04:24] schestowitz > The Patent Office can be as incompetent and corrupt and malicious as

[04:25] schestowitz > they want, and rip-off inventors with impunity, and nobody will do

[04:25] schestowitz > anything about it.

[04:25] schestowitz >

[04:25] schestowitz > https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/

[04:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.corporatecrimereporter.com | Corporate Crime Reporter

[04:25] schestowitz > https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/

[04:25] schestowitz I think you're right.

[04:25] schestowitz Having said that, Nader rarely writes about patents.

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● Jan 19

[10:37] schestowitz-TR good morning!

[10:37] schestowitz-TR did I miss anything in the buffer?

[10:37] techrigthssec gm

[10:37] techrigthssec probably not

● Jan 19

[11:00] techrigthssec The tens of thousands of microsofters unleashed on the market will be posing

[11:00] techrigthssec as skilled IT staff and naive and/or wishful thinkers will go along with

[11:00] techrigthssec that no matter how unfounded that posture is

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[11:02] schestowitz-TR 30,000 laid off 'softers' (see latest post.; more expected to go or proactively go) is a little

[11:02] schestowitz-TR in an ocean of unemployed techs and millions of them who compete for a job

[11:02] schestowitz-TR better this than them staying inside the company

[11:02] schestowitz-TR it was always a concern we had and expressed in irc

[11:02] schestowitz-TR better this than the other

[11:02] schestowitz-TR (still digesting today's good news; won't be "productive" today)

[11:23] schestowitz-TR the coconut cake is delicious and we have 4 more on the way

[11:23] schestowitz-TR we got 5 bags, 1kg each, for 20 pence each

[11:23] schestowitz-TR condensed milk, shredded coco, and butter as main ingredient

[11:23] schestowitz-TR rianne checked in "yewtu.ve"

[11:23] schestowitz-TR tomorrow we'll buy a lot of stuff, also gifts to the lawyer and paralegal

[11:26] schestowitz-TR rianne has gemini running in emacs now (rpi400)

[11:26] schestowitz-TR I think it is sweetened (wayyyyyy toooo sweet) condensed milk

[11:26] schestowitz-TR i will share with her recipes later

[11:26] schestowitz-TR she has collections of them

[11:26] schestowitz-TR we also have recipe books ;-)

[11:26] schestowitz-TR with more spare time = more cooking

[11:39] schestowitz-TR thanks, i will be slow to respond today and not "productive"

[11:39] schestowitz-TR also checking covid rules for flights (ceremony)

[11:39] schestowitz-TR gonna try to chase links+rss feeds as matter of priority

[11:39] schestowitz-TR still very happy to see the situation at MSFT

[11:39] psydruid I see whole conversations about workers' rights after these Microsoft layoffs on Tweakers, whereas I've never seen anything similar for other companies

[11:39] psydruid and some people hoping the fired employees will find work again

[11:40] psydruid I don't understand why everyone is so Microsoft-minded over here

[11:41] psydruid these people need to be retrained and un-brainwashed before they can even hope to enter the job market again

[11:44] techrigthssec M$ is on the edge and could pass a tipping point; remember that historically

[11:44] techrigthssec most of its money has come from monopoly rents in two markets and have lost

[11:44] techrigthssec money everywhere else. There was also that massive loss registered in 1999 or so

[11:45] schestowitz-TR psydruid: could be astroturfing

[11:45] schestowitz-TR Microsoft does lots of it in forums

[11:45] schestowitz-TR and sometimes gets caught

[11:45] schestowitz-TR sometimes the "partners" do this

[11:45] psydruid hundreds of comments of astroturfing

[11:46] psydruid it looks like a way to distract from the fact that it's about Microsoft

[11:46] techrigthssec The "former" microsofters will remain unsuitable for IT for the remainder of

[11:46] techrigthssec their lives and the retraining should focus on work outside of IT where ther

[11:46] techrigthssec is a lower risk of recidivism

[11:46] psydruid "let's generalise and make this about IT workers' rights in general"

[11:47] psydruid I'm wondering if we are indeed at the tipping point

[11:48] psydruid on my resume I have listed minimum knowledge and skills for Microsoft technologies

[11:48] psydruid and yet someone on LinkedIn sent me a message about exactly those

[11:49] psydruid when they could reach out to anyone else who actually has those skills

[11:51] psydruid I only learn Microsoft technologies for legacy purposes in order to migrate systems to GNU/Linux and the web

[11:55] techrigthssec The recidivism is not the only problem. They just have way too manhy fundamental mistakes in their training to h

[11:55] techrigthssec for it to be feasible to retrain them in IT --

[11:55] techrigthssec even if they have the prereqisite mindset. The employment process at m$

[11:55] techrigthssec continuously weeds out people with those prerequistes.

[11:57] psydruid I'm just glad I realised it early and stopped using anything Microsoft in the early 2000s

[11:58] techrigthssec m$ always tries to make things bigger than they are; Windows problems are

[11:58] techrigthssec spun as computer problems; Abuse of their shit bag "employees" is spun as

[11:58] techrigthssec a general IT workers rights problem, even though m$ has nothing to do with

[11:58] techrigthssec actual IT

[11:58] psydruid and I started using PCs in the era where GNU/Linux was becoming viable

[11:59] psydruid yeah, that's what it is

[11:59] psydruid it makes sense now

[11:59] psydruid no wonder the entire topic gets derailed

● Jan 19

[12:00] schestowitz-TR going to check some rumour mills in a sec

[12:00] schestowitz-TR to give further insight

[12:07] schestowitz-TR apologies upfront again for slowness, it's chaotic here in terms of train of thought (for good reasons)

[12:07] schestowitz-TR but not much will get done today

[12:07] schestowitz-TR looking for "gossip" re layoffs

[12:07] schestowitz-TR we can get more "scoops"

[12:07] schestowitz-TR need to know more about which divisions, esp. 'azure'

[12:07] schestowitz-TR i don't search that often enough

[12:07] schestowitz-TR but to hurt the company you know more or less what needs discovering

[12:08] techrigthssec my advice...

[12:09] schestowitz-TR psydruid: don't waste time there tbh

[12:09] schestowitz-TR you would be better off spending time in a place not infested with "damage control" goons

[12:09] schestowitz-TR don't dance in their own "platform"

[12:09] schestowitz-TR find your own

[12:09] schestowitz-TR make some noise there

[12:10] psydruid I am not responding, I just read and noticed the tendency

[12:10] schestowitz-TR they can just demoralise and downvote people to oblivion

[12:10] schestowitz-TR making them feel like they said something "wrong"

[12:10] schestowitz-TR it's like going to gab to "fight" nazis

[12:10] psydruid and it seems way off compared to what it should be

[12:10] schestowitz-TR you are outnumbered and outgunned

[12:10] schestowitz-TR aggi cannot even stay in irc long

[12:10] schestowitz-TR because he is "loner"

[12:10] psydruid so I am wondering if it is downplayed in anglophone media too

[12:10] schestowitz-TR and nobody agrees with him

[12:10] schestowitz-TR except crows

[12:11] schestowitz-TR psydruid: people in Microsoft noticed the same

[12:11] schestowitz-TR I quoted one example

[12:11] schestowitz-TR they criticise the media

[12:11] schestowitz-TR some in the forums criticise that

[12:11] schestowitz-TR but someone replies

[12:11] schestowitz-TR it's "paid-for"

[12:11] schestowitz-TR IBM and Microsoft still have a lot of control over media, also online

[12:12] schestowitz-TR and they 'bury' bad news

[12:12] schestowitz-TR same playbook

[12:26] techrigthssec Made progress in processing the tm-gallery archive but finding some deep

[12:26] techrigthssec pages which are not yet harvested. Using the RAM disk for the work saves

[12:26] techrigthssec waiting by about an order of magnitude

[12:28] techrigthssec Now trying to ennumerate the missing URLs

[12:30] schestowitz-TR my dad used some of those distros and versions

[12:30] schestowitz-TR with firefox

[12:31] schestowitz-TR back when tuxmachines was in the firefox bookmark thingie in the toolbar

[12:31] schestowitz-TR in PCLinuxOS

[12:31] schestowitz-TR maybe one day these reference pages will help explain how the platform evolved

[12:31] schestowitz-TR I do not myself do disro reviews as I learned frome xperience it take aLOT

[12:31] schestowitz-TR of work to do PROPERLY

[12:31] schestowitz-TR like using it for weeks, installing a ton of things

[12:31] schestowitz-TR just for one article

[12:31] schestowitz-TR not even counting screenmshots, text, proofreading

[12:31] schestowitz-TR many reviews were done in the past

[12:31] schestowitz-TR when the www brought more traffic

[12:31] schestowitz-TR because "sound bites" of social control media

[12:34] techrigthssec Yes, a proper review takes a lot of time and work. It'd probably take a whole

[12:34] techrigthssec weel for each one, or at least two or three days even if done quickly.

[12:35] schestowitz-TR not enough

[12:35] schestowitz-TR some "pretend" to do review

[12:35] schestowitz-TR checking wallpapers, clicking things

[12:35] schestowitz-TR that's NOT a review

[12:35] schestowitz-TR you need to install many things with the package manager

[12:36] schestowitz-TR I've stopped using Fedora after 14, Moondhine

[12:36] schestowitz-TR some crucial packages were not properly handled

[12:36] schestowitz-TR so I wasted time in the lab

[12:36] schestowitz-TR stuff like gnuplot

[12:36] schestowitz-TR for octave

[12:36] techrigthssec That's not a proper review and does not fool people, or at least it does not

[12:36] techrigthssec fool them for long.

● Jan 19

[13:44] techrigthssec ok, I think the gallery archive has all links working and might have all files

[13:44] techrigthssec present. The next step will be to remove unused files and hardlinks from the

[13:44] techrigthssec directory hierarchy

● Jan 19

[15:03] schestowitz-TR Welcome to Open Source Watch https://opensourcewatch.beehiiv.com/p/welcome-to-open-source-watch has SJVN quit Microsoft ZDnet yet?

[15:03] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-opensourcewatch.beehiiv.com | Welcome to Open Source Watch | Open Source Watch

[15:06] techrigthssec We'll see what kind of short leash he will be on. What is the source of

[15:06] techrigthssec funding for that site?

[15:09] schestowitz-TR i wodnered the same

[15:09] schestowitz-TR maybe left zdnet

[15:09] schestowitz-TR maybe twitter also

[15:09] schestowitz-TR he joined pluspora after gulag+ collapsed

[15:09] schestowitz-TR then pluspora collapsed too

[15:09] schestowitz-TR his site lacks rss feeds

[15:09] schestowitz-TR I even scanned source for atom, xml, rss, did some url guessing

[15:09] schestowitz-TR nothing!

[15:09] schestowitz-TR unless you have more creative ways to find feeds

[15:09] schestowitz-TR 20 years ago I wrote bash programs to track changes in sites that lacked feeds

[15:09] schestowitz-TR because I loved RSS

[15:09] schestowitz-TR even edge.org was in my list

[15:09] schestowitz-TR before it went to ****

[15:09] schestowitz-TR so far all 5 stories in this new site are mostly ok

[15:09] schestowitz-TR except rust shilling

[15:09] techrigthssec "The newsletter platform built for growth"

[15:09] techrigthssec https://www.beehiiv.com/

[15:09] techrigthssec It's not his own site unless he is really branching out from journalism and\

[15:09] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-beehiiv The newsletter platform built for growth

[15:09] techrigthssec writing.

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● Jan 19

[23:32] techrigthssec gallery:

[23:32] techrigthssec $ find . -type f -print | wc -l

[23:32] techrigthssec 107990

[23:32] techrigthssec $ du -sh .

[23:32] techrigthssec 2.2G .

[23:32] techrigthssec Many of those files are hard links, it is the screen shots which take

[23:32] techrigthssec up the space afaik

[23:32] techrigthssec There are a lot of them, documenting the appearance of various distro

[23:32] techrigthssec components (desktop of course)

[23:33] schestowitz-TR well done, you have killed a lot of technical debt