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[05:00] TechrightsBN Hello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.75

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[12:34] Techrights-sec excellent, the rate is picking up

[12:34] Techrights-sec Is there a convenient API for Drupal which the FSF could use easly to

[12:34] Techrights-sec extract content and convert to Gemtext?

[12:34] Techrights-sec IIRC TuxMachines is Drupal.

[12:34] schestowitz-TR sorry, was recording

[12:35] schestowitz-TR yes, I thought about tuxmachines, but with almost 170k pages and not much original among them I would not consider gemini for it

[12:35] schestowitz-TR those pages link to http

[12:35] schestowitz-TR I do not know of drupal-specific gemini tools and mind you, I watch these tools closely to see new things

[12:36] schestowitz-TR re distro.tube at gemini

[12:36] schestowitz-TR for half a year I've repeatedly tried to access it

[12:36] schestowitz-TR hoping that DT would restore the service/capsule

[12:36] schestowitz-TR seems he took too much

[12:36] schestowitz-TR like distrotoot

[12:36] schestowitz-TR and it now cutting down

[12:36] schestowitz-TR maybe gulagtube also deranks him

[12:36] schestowitz-TR I did not check

[12:37] schestowitz-TR as I cite him as yewtu.be

[12:37] schestowitz-TR of odysee when you send me the corresponding URLs

[12:37] schestowitz-TR odysee is its OWN jar of worms

[12:43] Techrights-sec ack

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[13:34] schestowitz-TR now running piclone ont he rasp400, usb to microsd

[13:34] schestowitz-TR that backup will also contain all the gemini pages, even though the system accoun

[13:34] schestowitz-TR t "gemini" was removed

[13:34] schestowitz-TR so a bit of an insurance policy, given that rianne is not likely to

[13:34] schestowitz-TR use up 32gb of storage anyway

[13:34] Techrights-sec odysee only works with an account because you have to spend a week or two

[13:34] Techrights-sec blocking cranks and whackdoodle accounts before you start to see anythig of

[13:34] Techrights-sec either use or interest in the UI

[13:34] Techrights-sec The experience with Drupal might help give tips to the FSF about how t

[13:34] Techrights-sec they can export to Gemtext. TM has nothing to gain from a Gemini presence,

[13:34] Techrights-sec from what I can see. But it has given familiarity with Drupal.

[13:38] schestowitz-TR i have just tralled to the front page of odysee

[13:38] schestowitz-TR ido not have an ccount there

[13:38] schestowitz-TR it is not much distateful content

[13:38] schestowitz-TR not judging by the front page

[13:38] schestowitz-TR no worse than gulagtube

[13:38] schestowitz-TR in gulagtube you feel like they follow you around and profiule you

[13:38] schestowitz-TR maube odysee does the same,but it feels generic

[13:38] schestowitz-TR the interface does not feel like a web page

[13:38] schestowitz-TR and videos are not video files per se

[13:38] schestowitz-TR so that kind of suck

[13:38] schestowitz-TR *sucks

[13:46] Techrights-sec ack

[13:46] Techrights-sec As mentioned the majority needs to be culled using blocking heavily in order

[13:46] Techrights-sec for it to be useful.

[13:46] schestowitz-TR i have just attempted to play some videos

[13:46] schestowitz-TR as in the past some would not even load

[13:46] schestowitz-TR I don't know exactly how lbry works

[13:46] schestowitz-TR but to me it misses the point that

[13:46] schestowitz-TR 1) people should self-host and

[13:46] schestowitz-TR 2)KEEP IT SIMPLE

[13:46] schestowitz-TR spinning off loated shit like mastodon will cause complication, like new PHP

[13:46] schestowitz-TR versions and database going all w0nky

[13:47] Techrights-sec It sucks, but it sucks slightly less than Youtube. :/

[13:50] schestowitz-TR If they do not have a business model and are riding someone's bank account,

[13:50] schestowitz-TR as joindiaspora did,

[13:50] schestowitz-TR tnen

[13:50] schestowitz-TR 1) they will turn evil

[13:50] schestowitz-TR 2) they will shut down

[13:50] schestowitz-TR so you often need to assess whether they are sustinable

[13:50] schestowitz-TR when I looked into them in 2020 it was LBRY

[13:50] schestowitz-TR where is LBRY as a domain today?

[13:50] schestowitz-TR this is far too volatile and new

[13:50] schestowitz-TR LunK00k put lots of stuff there

[13:50] schestowitz-TR and shilled them to death

[13:50] schestowitz-TR now EVEN HIS RANT ABOUT THEM is offline

[13:50] schestowitz-TR I spent ages trying to retreive it,

[13:50] schestowitz-TR but odysee is JS

[13:51] schestowitz-TR so gulag and IA has no copies

[13:51] schestowitz-TR *had

[13:51] schestowitz-TR only thing >I had left was poortions in TR Daily Links

[13:51] schestowitz-TR So I was not anble to explin what wernt wrong there

[13:51] schestowitz-TR ther reason itself vanished

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[14:03] Techrights-sec The business model is crytpocurrency. The videos are just a front.

[14:03] Techrights-sec I figure option #2 sometime.

[14:03] Techrights-sec Videos are ephemeral anyway.

[14:12] Techrights-sec """

[14:12] Techrights-sec Usenet died for four reasons:

[14:12] Techrights-sec It got spammed to death.

[14:12] Techrights-sec It lost control over its culture, and that culture was crucial to its functio

[14:12] Techrights-sec ning.

[14:12] Techrights-sec It was too problematic for ISPs (or others) to provide ready access to it: sp

[14:13] Techrights-sec am, harassment, child pornography, and copyright violations all posed massive con

[14:13] Techrights-sec cerns.

[14:13] Techrights-sec There was no viable business model for providing the service.

[14:13] Techrights-sec """

[14:13] Techrights-sec Points 1 and 2 especially.

[14:13] schestowitz-TR https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896

[14:13] schestowitz-TR https://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/049bdfc06cd7013a2d24448a5b29e257

[14:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@podmin@joindiaspora.com: # Hello JoinDiaspora there is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services. JD will also be shut down on 1 March. This is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service. If you think you can handle the task please contact us via hq@feneas.org. You can find the original post below or via https://git.feneas.org/feneas/

[14:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt master Feneas / association GitLab

[14:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt master Feneas / association GitLab

[14:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | Feneas GitLab

[14:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-diaspora.glasswings.com | Social Control Media is a Bubble and JoinDiaspora Might be the Next...

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[15:30] schestowitz-TR I know you have not played around with piclone

[15:31] schestowitz-TR but I think they host only in shithub

[15:31] schestowitz-TR and there are some bugs

[15:31] schestowitz-TR it's not something they give much love to

[15:31] schestowitz-TR it neeeds to run with a bunch of options

[15:31] schestowitz-TR and if run from the CLI you see the rough edges

[15:31] schestowitz-TR at the moment I run it over ssh with x-forwarding

[15:31] schestowitz-TR it's GUI only

[15:31] schestowitz-TR so I cannot run it in a screen session

[15:31] schestowitz-TR this is progressing (rianne's machine)

[15:31] schestowitz-TR but may take another 3-5 hours

[15:31] schestowitz-TR that includes all the oibjects that were in other accounts although I deleted

[15:31] schestowitz-TR the accounts and disabled all the syst5emd services that are not needed

[15:31] schestowitz-TR bottom line: piclone can be powerful, and can be very simple to use

[15:31] schestowitz-TR but under the hood it's a bit crude

[15:31] schestowitz-TR yes, I saw the source code last time

[15:31] schestowitz-TR when trying to assess when the progress bar was not progressing for line 4 hours

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[18:16] schestowitz-TR ---

[18:16] schestowitz-TR rianne's pi is now backed up to microsd, labeled

[18:16] schestowitz-TR the gemini etc. server is now halfway through making a complerte snapshot

[18:16] schestowitz-TR to usb, 32GB, as before...

[18:16] schestowitz-TR atm I work on part 50 for tomorrow, epo

[18:16] schestowitz-TR today and tomorrow I will asssess whether to delete some or all gulag noise feeds

[18:16] schestowitz-TR , except maybe "linux" things because of tux machines

[18:16] schestowitz-TR rianne's pi is now backed up to microsd, labeled

[18:16] schestowitz-TR the gemini etc. server is now halfway through making a complerte snapshot

[18:16] schestowitz-TR to usb, 32GB, as before...

[18:17] schestowitz-TR atm I work on part 50 for tomorrow, epo

[18:17] schestowitz-TR today and tomorrow I will asssess whether to delete some or all gulag noise feeds

[18:17] schestowitz-TR , except maybe "linux" things because of tux machines

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[18:33] schestowitz-TR ---

[18:33] schestowitz-TR i really love how the pis are working

[18:33] schestowitz-TR I also love how easy they are to offload to a fingernail-sized thing

[18:33] schestowitz-TR I wonder,

[18:33] schestowitz-TR back on the ol' days we had sueme linux

[18:33] schestowitz-TR we could, in principle, convert the nginx/gemini cambo into a .osi

[18:33] schestowitz-TR one that lets people surf the site 'offline'

[18:33] schestowitz-TR using gemini or http

[18:33] schestowitz-TR the logistics would not be hard

[18:33] schestowitz-TR *.iso

[18:36] schestowitz-TR alternatively, a tool COULD be developed (I know of no wuch tool)

[18:36] schestowitz-TR which converts a gemini basedir into a surfable thing like Xanadu

[18:36] schestowitz-TR and make it downloadable as a compress archive for offline access or

[18:36] schestowitz-TR fopr longterm preservation

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[21:52] Techrights-sec it would be easy enough to have a tarball of any Gemini site. Gemtext is

[21:52] Techrights-sec highly compressible, too.