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[03:14] schestowitz-TR Most of these are Microsoft Windows, but CISA fails to say so https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/11/08/cisa-adds-seven-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

[03:14] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cisa.gov | CISA Adds Seven Known Exploited Vulnerabilities to Catalog | CISA

[03:15] schestowitz-TR currently testing hypothesis about load and ram usage as culprits in system crashes

[03:15] schestowitz-TR just testing that possibility

[03:28] Techrightssec fwiw: http://techrights.org/2022/11/08/accounting-fraud-short-term-vision/

[03:28] Techrightssec where is the link pointing to the 80% drop in MSFT share prices?

[03:28] Techrightssec The headline makes that assertyion but it is not backed up in the body

[03:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsofts Accounting Fraud and the Clown Computing Bubble Will Make It the Next Facebook (Share Price Collapsed by 80%) | Techrights

[03:28] schestowitz-TR FDB share price

[03:28] schestowitz-TR *FB

[03:32] Techrightssec Ok the headline is wrong then, since it says MSFT is down 80% and the article

[03:32] Techrightssec focuses on m$ all the way through.

[03:32] Techrightssec Running out of both RAM and swap should only kill userland processes first

[03:32] Techrightssec if I understand correctly.

[03:33] schestowitz-TR I read my headlines 5 time and did not think it would be confusing

[03:33] schestowitz-TR will correct...

[03:33] schestowitz-TR re "vonick" crashes, let me observe a bit more

[03:33] schestowitz-TR I run it in a more "minimalist" mode atm and check the behaviour

[03:34] schestowitz-TR I think a priority atm is figuring out the root cause

[03:34] Techrightssec Thanks

[03:45] Techrightssec How small is the swap file?

[03:45] Techrightssec In comparison how much RAM is there?

[03:45] Techrightssec Is there a core dump with the crash?

[03:45] schestowitz-TR 8gn and 8gb

[03:45] Techrightssec ack

[03:46] schestowitz-TR lately quiterss started eating up vastly more ram and I am not sure why

[03:46] schestowitz-TR not a linear increase

[03:46] schestowitz-TR i thought I got this under control in the attention sense

[03:46] schestowitz-TR but this is one theory I have anyway

[03:46] schestowitz-TR though it's probably not that

[03:47] Techrightssec QuiteRSS locks up very frequently, not sure what triggers it but I have to

[03:47] Techrightssec quit and save very often to keep using it.

[03:47] Techrightssec Anyway, is swap filling up prior to the crashes?

[03:47] Techrightssec free -m

[03:51] Techrightssec or sar

[03:51] Techrightssec or vmstat

[03:51] Techrightssec in a loop redirecting to a file

[03:51] schestowitz-TR thanks!

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[04:07] Techrightssec np

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[04:23] schestowitz-TR thanks for your patience

[04:23] schestowitz-TR anyway, I may soon have to shuffle around machines and alter workflows

[04:23] schestowitz-TR that's always a difficult task except when you look back whereupon it seems "obvious"

[04:23] schestowitz-TR optimisations are simple only in hindsight

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[08:08] schestowitz-TR Academics strike as wage theft spreads, uni executive salaries soar - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/academics-strike-as-wage-theft-spreads-uni-executive-salaries-soar/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/academics-strike-as-wage-theft-spreads-uni-executive-salaries-soar/

[08:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-michaelwest.com.au | Academics strike as wage theft spreads, uni executive salaries soar - Michael West

[08:20] schestowitz-TR tech is moving faster with the economic conditions arm

[08:20] schestowitz-TR *atm

[08:20] schestowitz-TR as companies that were never viable simply perish

[08:20] schestowitz-TR I wonder what replaces some of them

[08:20] schestowitz-TR maybe nothing

[08:36] Techrightssec Hopefully those that wash out are not replaced by other scams but then

[08:36] Techrightssec you have loads of "angel investors" with money burning holes in their pockets

[08:36] Techrightssec around to force bad ideas afloat long enough to bail via an IPO

[08:44] schestowitz-TR run and geese in a min

[08:44] schestowitz-TR bbl

[08:44] schestowitz-TR PC stable so far, will assume the worst at all times

[08:46] Techrightssec ack

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[10:11] schestowitz-TR testing to see if I can be in several network at the same time in mumble

[10:12] schestowitz-TR seems not

[10:12] Techrightssec ok

[10:12] Techrightssec I think you'd need separate instances of the client for that

[10:23] schestowitz-TR based on logs, I think I can see a correlation between nvme errors and times that the PC gives up

[10:23] schestowitz-TR although not every instance results in it

[10:23] schestowitz-TR so far today everything got "Corrected"

[10:23] schestowitz-TR but I can at least start to point the finger at that

[10:24] schestowitz-TR ok, now always on top in all desktops I have tail -f grep for drive warnings

[10:24] schestowitz-TR so maybe I can be forwarned

[10:25] schestowitz-TR I also want to be able to correlate activity with errors of this kind

[10:25] schestowitz-TR like, what triggers this more

[10:34] Techrightssec ack

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[11:48] schestowitz-TR thanks for Links

[11:48] schestowitz-TR hypotheis: LF not writing much, and there is a reason

[11:48] schestowitz-TR how to prove/method: show lack of output

[11:48] schestowitz-TR reason: cannot prove reason without insiders leaking out info

[11:52] schestowitz-TR ok, seems no blog posts in nearly 20 days

[11:52] schestowitz-TR but... I think they also broke their RSS feeds

[11:52] schestowitz-TR investigating a bit...

[11:55] schestowitz-TR omg, they breoke rss

[11:55] schestowitz-TR moved away from wordpress, I think

[11:55] schestowitz-TR I want to find "Generators"

[11:55] schestowitz-TR maybe they moved to proprietary

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[12:08] Techrightssec ack

[12:13] schestowitz-TR draft

[12:13] schestowitz-TR (still in progress, no preview yet)

[12:13] schestowitz-TR maybe you can double-check the claims

[12:13] schestowitz-TR if true, it is a BIG deal

[12:13] Techrightssec ack

[12:13] Techrightssec They're still self-hosted: https://sitereport.netcraft.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flinux.com

[12:13] Techrightssec but here they are using "hubspot":

[12:13] Techrightssec https://sitereport.netcraft.com/?url=https://www.linuxfoundation.org

[12:13] Techrightssec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HubSpot

[12:13] Techrightssec "freemium"

[12:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-sitereport.netcraft.com | Site report for https://linux.com | Netcraft

[12:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-sitereport.netcraft.com | Site report for https://www.linuxfoundation.org | Netcraft

[12:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | HubSpot - Wikipedia

[12:13] schestowitz-TR they are only sort of self-hosted

[12:13] schestowitz-TR i forgot the details

[12:13] schestowitz-TR but they use CF of fastly

[12:13] schestowitz-TR or some cdn that is proprietary

[12:13] schestowitz-TR so they hide behind something else

[12:13] schestowitz-TR last I checked

[12:14] schestowitz-TR no iis yet ;-)

[12:14] Techrightssec "freemium"

[12:14] Techrightssec linux.com is encumbered by cloudflare

[12:14] schestowitz-TR fixed some typos

[12:14] schestowitz-TR way back in the days we had real press that reported such "small" changes

[12:14] schestowitz-TR now, at least, someone might "TWEET" about it

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[14:07] schestowitz-TR (productive so far today; also no icidents; got a few potential topics, aiming to have 4 in total before

[14:07] schestowitz-TR recording)

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[17:04] schestowitz-TR fb 11k layoffs

[17:04] schestowitz-TR (just in)

[17:08] psydruid excellent news

[17:08] psydruid the job won't be done until every employee is gone

[17:20] schestowitz-TR zuck will shut down the lights

[17:34] Techrightssec Yes there are multiple articles about FB layoffs. How much did they padd

[17:34] Techrightssec the staffing last year though? If the size is the same as two years ago

[17:34] Techrightssec then there was really no net loss if the extra people recently added were

[17:34] Techrightssec fired. So it may be just for show.

[17:34] Techrightssec Hire'em to be able to fire'em and give the illusion of 'downsizing' which

[17:34] Techrightssec would pump the stock prices.

[17:34] schestowitz-TR we reckon it's first wave of several

[17:34] schestowitz-TR maybe 11k x 3

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[17:40] schestowitz-TR almost 24 hours now, without crash

[17:40] schestowitz-TR it is encouraging as I was worried the gaps between crashes decreased only

[17:40] schestowitz-TR I can see a few storage-related things in syslog in real time

[17:40] schestowitz-TR I cannot correlate them to any particular activity

[17:41] schestowitz-TR rianne speaks to cousin on mumble now

[17:41] schestowitz-TR it's very good for multi-person chats

[17:41] schestowitz-TR like with gemini, the hard part is helping people install and use a client

[17:46] Techrightssec ack

[17:46] Techrightssec The Mumble client also has noise cancellation for VistaX and GNU/Linux versions.

[17:46] Techrightssec That is important to have turned on in systems without headsets.

[17:48] schestowitz-TR right, yes, we are still adjusting that

[17:48] schestowitz-TR some trial and error

[17:48] schestowitz-TR and setting thresholds

[17:48] schestowitz-TR I really should re-invoke the wizard

[17:48] schestowitz-TR rianne uses the headset that has long been broken just for its microphone

[17:48] schestowitz-TR because her build-in mic never semed to work well at alkl

[17:48] schestowitz-TR maybe defective

[17:49] schestowitz-TR te headphones she uses at the moment is some old set I had 20+ years ago, IIRC

[17:49] schestowitz-TR only one side works, but that is how she uses them anyway

[17:49] schestowitz-TR we try to use things unless they have no value left

[17:49] schestowitz-TR even old clothes become rugs

[17:50] Techrightssec

[17:50] Techrightssec Ok. As long as headphones are used.

[17:51] schestowitz-TR no, laptop speakers are used

[17:51] schestowitz-TR so the microphone needs to be distanced physically

[17:51] schestowitz-TR I think with phones there is a lot of capability to deal with microphone and speaker phone

[17:51] schestowitz-TR as there was lots of demand for it

[17:51] schestowitz-TR maybe even the on-chip DSP does it at hardware level

[17:51] Techrightssec :/

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[18:35] schestowitz-TR I am looking for a few more topics

[18:35] schestowitz-TR have not seen any url yet on fblayoffs

[18:35] schestowitz-TR someone posted the original from liarberg

[18:35] schestowitz-TR but that's not much to "go by"

[18:39] schestowitz-TR Can you smell the smoke where there is fire?

[18:39] schestowitz-TR if there a very obvious and odourous lie passing across the media atm?

[18:39] schestowitz-TR like, obv. fake storytelling?

[18:40] Techrightssec the influx of people from Twitter will be somewhat similar to

[18:40] Techrightssec the September That Never Ended in terms of problems brought in to the

[18:40] Techrightssec Fediverse. The lessons learned from The September That Never Ended

[18:40] Techrightssec could well be applied both correctively and proactively

[18:40] Techrightssec ^ topic ?

[18:42] schestowitz-TR DT published a video about this hours ago

[18:42] schestowitz-TR but I meant FB as that is the latest

[18:42] schestowitz-TR FB is also a much more menacing machine

[18:42] schestowitz-TR social control media going away is historically important (if that happens fully)

[18:42] Techrightssec His take was lacking in quite a few ways. Though I guess you and him are both

[18:43] Techrightssec the same generation and missed the hey days of Usenet, pre-spam, pre-AOL

[18:44] schestowitz-TR the qeuivalent that he used was gnu/linux

[18:44] schestowitz-TR and what happens when 'n00bs' come over and try to change it

[18:44] schestowitz-TR to suit their interests and they are the large numbers

[18:44] schestowitz-TR like canonical with snaps and omg!ubuntu

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[18:52] Techrightssec It would not be reasonable or appropriate for all people from Twitter to

[18:52] Techrightssec settle into the Fediverse, or at least not into the first instance they

[18:52] Techrightssec happen to log into. However, the Fediverse could do well and has it in its own

[18:52] Techrightssec interest to try to steer people to the relevant instances where they would have

[18:52] Techrightssec the greatest chance at integration. That has to be accompanied by orientation.

[18:52] Techrightssec The mistake that Usenet made was not taking into account that the community

[18:52] Techrightssec was outnumbered by the noobs and thus the traditional approach of letting

[18:52] Techrightssec time grind off the rough edges would no longer work. Same for the Fediverse

[18:52] Techrightssec and excessive application ofthe ban hammer helps no one, not even the instance

[18:53] Techrightssec doing the banning. Most people could probablly be sorted into an appropriate

[18:53] Techrightssec instance where they could thrive and benefit the comminity through their

[18:53] Techrightssec interaction. A very tiny few could even be motivated to set up their own

[18:53] Techrightssec servers, just like Leenode's implosion lead to an increase in independent

[18:53] Techrightssec IRC networks. However, running a Fediverse server of any kind neither scales

[18:53] Techrightssec nor is a reasonable amount of work even when just looking at the technical side

[18:53] Techrightssec and not taking into account the sheparding needed. See:

[18:53] Techrightssec https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/hey-elon-let-me-help-you-speed-run-the-content-moderation-learning-curve/

[18:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Hey Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run The Content Moderation Learning Curve | Techdirt

[18:53] Techrightssec for the non-technical side(s)

[18:55] schestowitz-TR from his video that I saw, DT gave up on distro.toot now so much due to the admin

[18:55] schestowitz-TR requirements

[18:55] schestowitz-TR but moderation and babysitting

[18:55] schestowitz-TR which then expands to CROSS-instance bickering

[18:55] schestowitz-TR "I'll block you instance if you don't ban X for Y"

[18:55] schestowitz-TR you'd have to be a noob not to first consider what it means to set up

[18:55] schestowitz-TR some "hello world" and then wiring it with others'

[18:55] schestowitz-TR RSS is not the same

[18:55] schestowitz-TR because the polling is relaying directly to individuals

[18:55] schestowitz-TR planets are a thorny issue

[18:55] schestowitz-TR you have to suck up to a bunch of "can't code but I have brown shits"

[18:56] Techrightssec Yes there is a f-ton of bullying going on between instances.

[18:56] Techrightssec Yep

[18:56] Techrightssec and there are many wearing brown shirts of various cuts.

[18:59] schestowitz-TR for me, personally (I alwats say "i" in this article), the real solution is,

[18:59] schestowitz-TR abandon those platforms

[18:59] schestowitz-TR don't plead for people to use the "lesser s*"

[18:59] schestowitz-TR liberate them from all the s*

[18:59] schestowitz-TR but that's just me

[18:59] schestowitz-TR based on my own experience

[18:59] schestowitz-TR "nobody will give a shit what you TWEETED at 2pm 12 years ago and the 12,000 "likes" it got"

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[19:00] schestowitz-TR -hypothetical stuff i could say

[19:00] schestowitz-TR if your book sells 100,000 copies, or 100k download it from the Web/p2p,

[19:00] schestowitz-TR that's a lot more "access" than a tweeet with 10 words and 1 emoji

[19:00] schestowitz-TR that will be offline years later

[19:00] Techrightssec Yes, abandoning all forms of social control media is probably the optimal

[19:00] Techrightssec solution but the above points still stand especially as it might take some

[19:00] Techrightssec time and several iterations for many of the public to come to the conclusion

[19:00] Techrightssec It's not about communication it is about dopamine

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[19:04] Techrightssec again social control media is about addiction and farming behaviors from useds

[19:04] Techrightssec not about actual communication. If communication were a factor, then

[19:04] Techrightssec algorithmic sorting would be unplugged and chronological sorting restored

[19:06] schestowitz-TR there are competing interests

[19:06] schestowitz-TR 1) advertisers (maximise screen time)

[19:06] schestowitz-TR 2) useds (give them what they want, inform them)

[19:06] schestowitz-TR twitter hardly ever made a profit

[19:07] schestowitz-TR even after it prioritised (1), as YouTube does morw and more each month

[19:07] schestowitz-TR spamnil hardly makes videos anymore

[19:07] schestowitz-TR but still sends his bots to cheat

[19:07] schestowitz-TR imagine today I saw one video dated 3.5 weeks ago with 9 views

[19:07] schestowitz-TR he forgot to to 'bot the shit out of it'

[19:07] Techrightssec AFAIK it only made a profit one or two quarters and has been losing millions

[19:07] Techrightssec per month the rest of the time

[19:20] schestowitz-TR it made a profit briefly while milking off trump to become the warzone

[19:20] schestowitz-TR and when shutting out third parties/apis around august 2018 (iirc)(

[19:20] schestowitz-TR to shift from useds (2) to REAL CUSTOMER (1) [above]

[19:20] schestowitz-TR brb

[19:20] schestowitz-TR rianne finished call

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[20:12] Techrightssec ack

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