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[11:07] Techrights-sec Year 16 has begun

[11:07] Techrights-sec This was cited again in the list:

[11:07] Techrights-sec gemini://rosenzweig.io/gemlog/2021-04-04-your-gemlog-may-not-be-accessible.gmi

[11:09] schestowitz c

[11:10] schestowitz # Update (2021-04-07)

[11:10] schestowitz Techrights has corrected the issue here. Thank you to Roy Schestowitz. The considerations still apply to other capsules, of course.

[11:11] Techrights-sec Yep, but the abuse of Unicode persists elsewhere mostly at other sites

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[13:11] Techrights-sec November 8: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swartz,_Aaron

[13:11] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Aaron Swartz - Wikipedia

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[13:18] schestowitz-TR I fixed a little typo in gemini/git

[13:19] schestowitz-TR maybe we need to write a short manual sometime, for beginners, on how to replicate that gemini portal for an existing git repo. git is simple enough that it can attract people to gemini://

[13:20] Techrights-sec $ git pull

[13:20] Techrights-sec Already up to date.

[13:20] Techrights-sec ??

[13:21] schestowitz-TR the change was to a 'static' index file. I noticed the typo while recording a video.

[13:22] Techrights-sec Should the Gemini capsule be in its own Git repository?

[13:22] schestowitz-TR adding about 50k files and directories to git would likely not have much practical benefit, only performance toll

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[13:24] Techrights-sec addin

[13:24] Techrights-sec In it's own, separate repository it would be cloneable.

[13:24] Techrights-sec $ du -sh ~/gemini/

[13:24] Techrights-sec 1.3G /home/gemini/gemini/

[13:24] Techrights-sec Not small. :(

[13:25] schestowitz-TR at the moment git:// direct is access-restricted, but the next step might be figuring out how replicate the capsule across to other nodes (assuming we trust them)

[13:27] Techrights-sec The current one is tr-git or something. A second one could be created

[13:27] Techrights-sec for Gemini, but the size is maybe an issue.

[13:27] Techrights-sec ----

[13:27] Techrights-sec Yes, but there can be multiple, unrelated Git repositories.

[13:27] Techrights-sec The current one is tr-git or something. A second one could be created

[13:27] Techrights-sec for Gemini, but the size is maybe an issue.

[13:28] schestowitz-TR I think pocock wanted to do it that way in case I corrected typos from his posts and he wanted them upstream with diff, but atm pages are edited by CMS (WP and MediaWiki)

[13:30] Techrights-sec $ du -sh ~/gemini/* | sort -hr | head -n 5

[13:30] Techrights-sec 477M /home/gemini/gemini/tr_text_version

[13:30] Techrights-sec 88M /home/gemini/gemini/2020

[13:30] Techrights-sec 77M /home/gemini/gemini/2021

[13:30] Techrights-sec 76M /home/gemini/gemini/2019

[13:30] Techrights-sec 65M /home/gemini/gemini/2016

[13:30] Techrights-sec That first directory can be omitted.

[13:30] Techrights-sec With something as light as Gemini, a version control system like Git has

[13:30] Techrights-sec a lot of advantage for syndication.

[13:31] schestowitz-TR IIRC, that first dir is 100% softlinks

[13:38] Techrights-sec Yes, they are hard links, or so it looks.

[13:38] Techrights-sec $ stat -c "%i %n" tr_text_version/irc-log-010121.html /home/glr/tr_text_version/irc-log-010121.html

[13:38] Techrights-sec 268438 tr_text_version/irc-log-010121.html

[13:38] Techrights-sec 268438 /home/glr/tr_text_version/irc-log-010121.html

[13:38] Techrights-sec Random sample of size one indicates that they are hard links.

[13:39] Techrights-sec They might be hard links but neither the directory itself nor its contents

[13:39] Techrights-sec are soft links as far as I can tell. Looking.

[13:41] Techrights-sec That directory does not have to be included in a new Git repository.

[13:41] Techrights-sec Or should it?

[13:42] schestowitz-TR how often are any of these files likely to be changed? They are not wikis or documentation

[13:43] Techrights-sec True. Probaby Rsync would be more appropriate for syndication?

[13:43] schestowitz-TR wiki and wordpress have version control alrerady

[13:45] Techrights-sec ack

[13:45] Techrights-sec So then Git would only risk confusion. Best then that any syndication process

[13:45] Techrights-sec be distribution only. Rsync may be best/

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[17:11] Techrights-sec Should we put the GNU Manifesto or other similar documents in the Gemini mirror?

[17:11] schestowitz-TR that would be good! It's nowhere else in geminispace... let's accommodate the space... I saw one capsule that archived many historic USENET posts

[17:20] Techrights-sec It's currently hard to find except via Wikipedia.

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[17:41] Techrights-sec gemini://gemini.techrights.org/archive/GNU_Manifesto.gmi

[17:47] schestowitz-TR excellent, I wonder how these articles would be best tied together, IIRC there are now 3 of them in total, not sure what taxonomy suits it best as it's sort of "imported"

[17:51] Techrights-sec I'm not sure there will be enough to warrant a taxonomy. At this point just

[17:51] Techrights-sec an unordered list linked somewhere direcly or indirectly from the main page

[17:51] Techrights-sec will do. The GNU Manifesto is an important historical document, as is

[17:51] Techrights-sec the Cathedral and the Bazaar

[17:51] Techrights-sec The Halloween I document is very important, also, because it outlines

[17:51] Techrights-sec the intentional steps M$ has taken to hold back, damage, and in some cases

[17:51] Techrights-sec destroy the market.

[17:51] Techrights-sec The world of computing would be 30 to 40 years ahead of where it is now

[17:51] Techrights-sec if M$ and BillG had never existed.

[17:53] Techrights-sec The Cathedral and the Bazaar mentions *BSD a lot.

[17:53] Techrights-sec TR can't and oughtn't mirror too much, but some of these core documents are

[17:53] Techrights-sec important to have and to show to 'new' audiences which haven't seen them

[17:53] Techrights-sec yet or which can benefit from looking at them with new eyes.

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[18:33] Techrights-sec gemini://gemini.techrights.org/archive/archive.gmi

[18:33] schestowitz-TR Thanks, I have just done a video about it and I'll link to gemini://gemini.techrights.org/archive/archive.gmi

[18:34] Techrights-sec np

[18:35] schestowitz-TR if it's OK with you, we'll increase focus on gemini and video this coming year?

[18:39] Techrights-sec The 'favicon.txt' file ought to be excluded from:

[18:39] Techrights-sec gemini://gemini.techrights.org/stats/

[18:40] schestowitz-TR that would be easy to implement. the other day I wanted to add total number of UNIQUE requests, maybe one commit can get both things done?

[18:41] Techrights-sec np

[18:41] Techrights-sec Sounds good, just be sure that the videos have enough accompanying text

[18:41] Techrights-sec to be relevant on their own in Gemini.

[18:41] Techrights-sec The 'favicon.txt' file ought to be excluded from:

[18:41] Techrights-sec gemini://gemini.techrights.org/stats/

[18:42] schestowitz-TR I noticed that in the script for states there's some odd line at the very end, with ">>>>" or similar

[18:42] Techrights-sec I think so, AWK or Perl can do that. I'd need read access to the logs for that

[18:45] Techrights-sec No idea, but it is in the non-functional archived code, after the 'exit'

[18:45] Techrights-sec so it never runs. Perhaps it was a paste mistake?

[18:47] schestowitz-TR Do you need access to the log for testing purposes or something else?

[18:48] Techrights-sec Testing.

[18:49] Techrights-sec Testing. I think temporary membership in the adm group ought to give

[18:49] Techrights-sec read access to /var/log/syslog.1

[18:50] Techrights-sec export-stats.sh is the right script?

[18:50] schestowitz-TR yes, I noticed that you has it archive past date's stats, which we can make another page for (index), just like lupa archive stats at the last date of each month

[18:52] schestowitz-TR Ok. export-stats.sh has been tweaked but needs testing, can you take a look?

[18:59] schestowitz-TR I've just run the export script and then updated the stats page too,were the changes 'deployed to the pi/live'?

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[19:12] Techrights-sec Yes,

[19:13] schestowitz-TR I now see why I was confused. There was a copy of that file on the "pi" account, so I was running an old version

[19:14] schestowitz-TR favicon still shows up and total unique is 100 less than the total sum

[19:15] Techrights-sec ack

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[19:29] Techrights-sec Strange. The sum should be ok. I've added a removal for the favicon.txt now

[19:29] schestowitz-TR seems to have fixed it! Ready for git, I guess. Two improvements, one stonethrow.

[19:31] Techrights-sec I see the error now.

[19:31] Techrights-sec Ok. Please retry.

[19:31] Techrights-sec Excellent

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[19:41] schestowitz now with 'git show' I can see with colours the diffs. The cruft is left behind in git history, which I guess is the right way to do is and the advantage of git/source version management (nothing gets lost completely). We really should make a backup of serveerwside git sometimes

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[19:43] schestowitz now with 'git show' I can see with colours the diffs. The cruft is left behind in git history, which I guess is the right way to do is and the advantage of git/source version management (nothing gets lost completely). We really should make a backup of serveerwside git sometimes

[19:47] Techrights-sec I have done it occasionally but can do it again this week. It's not automated.

[19:47] Techrights-sec IIRC

[19:56] Techrights-sec Backed up now as of a few minutes ago.

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[20:15] Techrights-sec ack

[20:15] Techrights-sec It's good that there is a gemini link to the index of archived documents.

[20:15] Techrights-sec Maybe it would have been good to include web links in the post directing people

[20:15] Techrights-sec to the originals?

[20:17] schestowitz-TR at some stage we can create a PAGE, not POST, in WordPress, with an index of all those gemini pages, maybe keep those indices synched somehow...

[20:18] Techrights-sec Maybe too much manual effort with that.

[20:20] Techrights-sec afk

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