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[01:20] Techrights-sec There are over a hundred distros based directly on Debian:

[01:20] Techrights-sec https://distrowatch.com/search.php?basedon=Debian

[01:21] Techrights-sec Then if you count the distros based on those, there are hundreds more.

[01:21] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.

[01:26] schestowitz-TR I put that in TM because it's important to give visibility to critics too

[01:26] schestowitz-TR we're not a cult like ICBM or Microsoft

[01:28] Techrights-sec Debian's central position in the ecology (so to speak) makes it a very valuable

[01:28] Techrights-sec target; As it gets taken over, more unscrupulous individuals get involved

[01:28] Techrights-sec and fewer technically skilled; It becomes about exploitation, technical at

[01:28] Techrights-sec first ...

[01:28] Techrights-sec IMHO that is one of the reasons IBM targeted it for systemd. The derivatives

[01:28] Techrights-sec then fell like dominos. Some skullduggery went on with the vote, if you reall,

[01:28] Techrights-sec as systemd wasn't even in the TC's top three choices yet 1) it was chosen by

[01:28] Techrights-sec one person and 2) everyone both in and out of the technical committee,

[01:28] Techrights-sec with few exceptions, drove it home, 3) those few exceptions objecting to

[01:28] Techrights-sec the flawed process or the flawed product were hounded out of the project and

[01:28] Techrights-sec the community.

[01:37] schestowitz-TR need sleep, voting tomorrow around 9am

[01:42] schestowitz-TR bb in a few hours

[01:42] schestowitz-TR doing a full (first) backup of 'bubi', the new PC with OSB on it

[01:42] schestowitz-TR the critical data and files is safe through redundancy

[01:42] schestowitz-TR I trust magnetic more than SD and SSD

[01:42] schestowitz-TR speeds don't matter if the life is short

[01:42] schestowitz-TR it is very time-consuming having to move all the data from one machine to another

[01:43] Techrights-sec ack

[01:43] Techrights-sec yes magnetic is better in many regards, just monitor the output from

[01:43] Techrights-sec smartmonctl occasionally

[01:43] Techrights-sec slow especially if the network is not 1Gb/s or faster.

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[08:39] schestowitz-TR Wow! Campinos with his tamtrum has scored a massive own goal

[08:39] schestowitz-TR It not only hurts him and the Office but also UPC

[08:39] schestowitz-TR The EFF has said nothing for a week

[08:39] schestowitz-TR but not they give assurances and try to keep it "internal"

[08:39] schestowitz-TR (yes, of course there will be leaks, there's no "internal" for EPO anymore)

[08:39] schestowitz-TR great stuff!

[08:39] schestowitz-TR I said EFF, I meant EPO

[08:39] schestowitz-TR this freudian slip says something about EFF

[08:39] schestowitz-TR EFF has blasted reporters like Assange, in a sense, after Barlow (Assange friend) was gone

[08:39] schestowitz-TR although not directly

[08:39] schestowitz-TR then there was thr RMS stance and boosting of Microsoft + proxies

[08:39] schestowitz-TR EFF is another Mozilla

[08:40] Techrights-sec Finally!

[08:40] Techrights-sec Remember that in politics on of the tactics is to get the opponent to lose his

[08:40] Techrights-sec cool.

[08:40] Techrights-sec The EFF has been a cascade of disappointments since Barlow's passing.

[08:40] Techrights-sec Ah. Makes more sense now, but still the EFF has been a cascade of disappointments since Barlow's passing.

[08:45] Techrights-sec Skimming corporate money while swaning around doing the opposite of their

[08:45] Techrights-sec charter?

[08:45] Techrights-sec ^swanning

[08:50] schestowitz-TR It's a short-term, short-sighted "business" model

[08:50] schestowitz-TR you get money from the defection from A to B

[08:50] schestowitz-TR A stops paying

[08:50] schestowitz-TR B pays for thedefection to influence A

[08:50] schestowitz-TR A goes away

[08:50] schestowitz-TR B stops paying because A cannot be infleunced anymore

[08:51] schestowitz-TR the real way to go about is, keep A happy

[08:51] schestowitz-TR That was was you org was for all along

[08:51] schestowitz-TR (ex. OSI)

[08:58] Techrights-sec That's the superficial business model. What the sponsors are really paying for

[08:58] Techrights-sec is for the institution to alienate its userbase, betray its raison d'tre,

[08:58] Techrights-sec and burn bridges with its former community. Once the situation is irrevocable

[08:58] Techrights-sec they will have gotten their money's worth and can withdraw support and

[08:58] Techrights-sec let the institution die. The stenographers will then dutiifully report

[08:58] Techrights-sec that there is not public support for the institution and therefore it has

[08:58] Techrights-sec declined, fully deflecting from the subversion.

● May 05

[09:20] schestowitz-TR EFF covers abortion. I remember when EFF was something rather different... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/digital-security-and-privacy-tips-those-involved-abortion-access | Source: EFF

[09:20] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | Digital Security and Privacy Tips for Those Involved in Abortion Access | Electronic Frontier Foundation

[09:20] schestowitz-TR going to vote in a moment (pen and paper)

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[11:42] schestowitz-TR back but afk

[11:43] schestowitz-TR i was wrongg

[11:43] schestowitz-TR cheap roast 227g is 1.09

[11:43] schestowitz-TR good ones

[11:43] schestowitz-TR 1.49

[11:43] schestowitz-TR soy 1 lit. 55p

[11:43] schestowitz-TR cheaper than i remembered

[11:43] schestowitz-TR got loads of these

[11:43] schestowitz-TR for months

[11:43] schestowitz-TR cooking oil limited to 3 bottles now

[11:43] schestowitz-TR need to ask staff

[11:43] schestowitz-TR bbl

[11:43] schestowitz-TR properly back niw

[11:43] Techrights-sec ack

[11:43] Techrights-sec nice

[11:43] Techrights-sec o/

[11:43] Techrights-sec ack

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[12:41] schestowitz-TR you did not click the billbc link

[12:41] schestowitz-TR I did, saw jkust the summary

[12:41] schestowitz-TR I put my comments in IRC -social

[12:41] schestowitz-TR BBC will die in a prison

[12:41] schestowitz-TR it's like Mozilla and EFF

[12:41] schestowitz-TR they will fall on their sowrd

[12:41] schestowitz-TR savile didn't kill them

[12:41] schestowitz-TR this might

[12:41] schestowitz-TR maybe it'll even become cautionary tale

[12:41] Techrights-sec which is sad becaue decades ago it was a rather good service

[12:41] Techrights-sec at least three decades ago ...

[12:41] Techrights-sec not two or less ...

[12:43] schestowitz-TR I listened as a kid

[12:43] schestowitz-TR it was OK

[12:43] schestowitz-TR nowhere near this cesspool

[12:43] schestowitz-TR gossip, COVID misinformation, whitewashing perverts

[12:43] schestowitz-TR this is the "exist strategy" = sel out

[12:43] Techrights-sec Around 2 decades ago BBC World was utter crap already

[12:44] schestowitz-TR I thought doing some response or meme, or...

[12:44] schestowitz-TR but anything of this kind would give attention to something

[12:44] schestowitz-TR I will just put it deeper in the ashtray

[12:46] Techrights-sec some short response for Gemini

[12:46] Techrights-sec it' already chock full of microsofters, so the writing has been on the wall

[12:46] Techrights-sec and given the trajectory it is on, the demise is unavoidable without culling

[12:46] Techrights-sec management -- i.e. inevitable and just a question of when not if

[12:48] schestowitz-TR they have not been keeping up with the times. I think you saw digi-vegan's comment

[12:48] schestowitz-TR he used to work there

[12:48] schestowitz-TR if they mentioned the savile thing (before it was widely known), they'd risk

[12:48] schestowitz-TR getting sacked

[12:48] schestowitz-TR maybe I should refer to the whole BBC as

[12:48] Techrights-sec yes

[12:48] Techrights-sec gates, savile

[12:48] schestowitz-TR The Bill & Savile Broadcasting Corp.

[12:48] schestowitz-TR people would get the references, I think

[12:49] schestowitz-TR the key point is, remind people what bbc did for savile

[12:49] schestowitz-TR and that it takes bribes from gates

[12:49] schestowitz-TR and has learned no lessons sense

[12:49] schestowitz-TR *since

[12:52] Techrights-sec yes it seems very much so

[12:53] schestowitz-TR https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/05/04/strength-in-numbers | Source:

[12:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-meduza.io | NO TITLE

● May 05

[13:02] Techrights-sec ack

[13:02] Techrights-sec

[13:04] schestowitz-TR my thinking here is,

[13:04] schestowitz-TR get upset less

[13:04] schestowitz-TR do more

[13:04] schestowitz-TR make them pay for it

[13:04] schestowitz-TR I can make them pay for it a little at the time, over the next 5 years

[13:04] schestowitz-TR it adds up

[13:04] schestowitz-TR leah already gets very upset in IRC (at BBC)

[13:04] schestowitz-TR maybe the anger will come out at gates

[13:04] schestowitz-TR not RMS

[13:04] Techrights-sec ack

[13:04] Techrights-sec good approach

[13:04] Techrights-sec keep working away at it

[13:04] Techrights-sec leah does very good work and at very important tasks, from what I read

[13:07] schestowitz-TR I regard a lot of the anti, then pro, than anti-RMS period (all of tyhem AFTER 2014, mind you!)

[13:07] schestowitz-TR to be attention-seeking, based on her own words, too

[13:07] schestowitz-TR basically using the high-profile name to publicise oneself

[13:07] schestowitz-TR the media has this tactic and people who exploit the media too

[13:07] schestowitz-TR even slapping someone at the oscars can make an old "star"

[13:07] schestowitz-TR that nobody has given a shit about for over 10 years suddently

[13:07] schestowitz-TR the most spoken about person, for at least a week

[13:07] schestowitz-TR without having broken any law

[13:11] Techrights-sec ack

[13:11] Techrights-sec the slap was assault but my cynical idea is that it was mostly a publicity stunt

[13:11] Techrights-sec there have been no actual repercussions

[13:11] Techrights-sec not that charges would have been anything more than an inconvenience to someone

[13:11] Techrights-sec as wealthy as he appears to be

[13:11] Techrights-sec anyway, I think that there is growing acknowledgement that RMS was thrown under

[13:11] Techrights-sec the bus, but not publicly nor is there awareness about why -- both the coup

[13:11] Techrights-sec to take over FOSS and the protection of Bill

[13:11] schestowitz-TR it was not just harmful to Rock but to the image of black people

[13:12] schestowitz-TR the White Supremacists benefited a lot

[13:12] schestowitz-TR like "see, they don't belong in this class..."

[13:12] schestowitz-TR the coup and the distraction are not over

[13:12] schestowitz-TR they are still work in progress 3 years on

[13:13] Techrights-sec :(

[13:13] Techrights-sec There were some fediverse posts about HN takeovers too

[13:13] Techrights-sec but social control media in any form is just hearsay

[13:13] schestowitz-TR HN is already taken over by bad actor s(y combinator)

[13:14] schestowitz-TR and is rather useless

[13:14] schestowitz-TR I don't know why anyone would wish get news through that site

[13:16] Techrights-sec I don't. However, I did see one of the former principals' posts complaining

[13:16] Techrights-sec about it but even he did not see what kind of takeover it was and was still

[13:16] Techrights-sec taking it personally

[13:16] Techrights-sec He was naively, like I often do myself, considering things to be technical

[13:16] Techrights-sec rather than the ICt being a menas of power and political control

[13:18] schestowitz-TR we still talk about HN, right?

[13:18] schestowitz-TR (me puts some roast on; bought 7 packs today, different varities/blends)

[13:18] schestowitz-TR to be clearm, HN does bring a lot of traffic

[13:18] schestowitz-TR potenbtially a million hits in a day

[13:18] schestowitz-TR a lot more than any other site, inc. slashdot, where # of comments can mislead somewhat

[13:22] Techrights-sec yes

[13:22] Techrights-sec I don't read HN since it is a garbage site with enforced anti-FOSS bias and

[13:22] Techrights-sec filters

[13:22] Techrights-sec Oh, it is widely read by others, to be sure, but that does not mean it is

[13:22] Techrights-sec a clean site nor unproblematic

[13:27] schestowitz-TR I'll say something foolish on the surface

[13:27] schestowitz-TR there is unwanted or impure traffic

[13:27] schestowitz-TR traffic for the sake of traffic is a bad measure

[13:27] schestowitz-TR there is wanted attention

[13:28] schestowitz-TR and unwanted (Smityh, Reiser... not the same thing, I know)

[13:28] schestowitz-TR Twitter did bring some unwanted attention

[13:28] schestowitz-TR I wrote about it 2 years ago in relation to cancel culture

[13:28] schestowitz-TR they can gang up on people (lawn too for that matter) to stigmatise them

[13:28] schestowitz-TR with labels and all

[13:28] schestowitz-TR I don't want to name examples, but we both know of some

[13:28] schestowitz-TR once you get labeled, behind your back or without your oinvolvement (being ON the platform can worsen things)

[13:28] schestowitz-TR it's hard to shake it off

[13:28] schestowitz-TR if you are not in the platform, it's in absentia

[13:28] schestowitz-TR if you're on there, you can be tagged and then expected to reply

[13:28] schestowitz-TR and a lack of reply too is a reply

[13:28] schestowitz-TR the original UPC complainanty kept his distance

[13:28] schestowitz-TR no public speaking, just his personal site, PDF form publications,

[13:28] schestowitz-TR and submissions to courts

[13:28] schestowitz-TR but occasionally speaking behind the scenes to journalists

[13:28] schestowitz-TR when confronting rogue people in LARGE NUMBER with CURATED platform you cannot win

[13:28] schestowitz-TR it's designed from the onset like that

[13:28] schestowitz-TR so you are doomed to "lose"

[13:28] Techrights-sec yes brigading as it is called is part of the cultre there and in social control

[13:28] Techrights-sec media in general

[13:28] Techrights-sec https://youtu.be/zrzMhU_4m-g

[13:28] Techrights-sec curation is a euphemism for maniupulation most of the time

[13:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Invidious: https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

[13:28] Techrights-sec by filtering timelines it ensured that only the approved viewpoits are

[13:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> inv.riverside.rocks | She's a witch! - Invidious

[13:28] Techrights-sec avilable and it gives a false impression of sentiments being other than they

[13:28] Techrights-sec are

[13:30] schestowitz-TR there is also digital 'doping'

[13:30] schestowitz-TR where you do things to drive up numbers

[13:30] schestowitz-TR in the short term

[13:30] schestowitz-TR at high personal expense

[13:30] schestowitz-TR like publishing untrue things

[13:34] Techrights-sec yes

[13:35] schestowitz-TR right now billbc is doping

[13:35] schestowitz-TR right now leah is doiping, for the third time around

[13:35] schestowitz-TR lunduke is a serial doper

[13:35] schestowitz-TR like saying he'd quit twitter so many times

[13:35] schestowitz-TR (he's probably still there)

[13:37] schestowitz-TR last night I told rianne as I was scrolling down phoronix

[13:37] schestowitz-TR that number of comments had declined a lot

[13:37] schestowitz-TR it's the only way for me to estimate traffic

[13:37] schestowitz-TR months ago he started to included a picture in every post

[13:37] schestowitz-TR as if to price up the site and retain the readers

[13:38] schestowitz-TR just by means as superficials as these

[13:38] schestowitz-TR linutoday also experimented with images a few times

[13:38] schestowitz-TR today (see IRC logs) someone asked me to make a copy of the image

[13:38] schestowitz-TR in TM

[13:38] schestowitz-TR instead of HotLinking

[13:38] schestowitz-TR not sure if it made it before the midnight cutoff

[13:38] schestowitz-TR with TM it's fast because we don't copy files

[13:38] schestowitz-TR after a few days few will still access these pages anyway

[13:38] Techrights-sec pictures waste bandwidth and add nothing unless the contain supplementary

[13:38] Techrights-sec information and even then they need to be described directly or indirectly

[13:38] Techrights-sec in the text, not just ALT attributes

[13:39] schestowitz-TR I will record re epo when I'm done doing the daily links

[13:40] schestowitz-TR i think that team upc anmd others are going to get in a lot of trouble

[13:40] schestowitz-TR but they do so mostly at the expense of the eu

[13:40] schestowitz-TR so they take down with them something bigger

[13:40] schestowitz-TR which is unfair

[13:40] schestowitz-TR abortion is like 30% of all US news now

[13:42] Techrights-sec Hotlining is always a bad idea

[13:42] Techrights-sec ^hotlinking

[13:42] Techrights-sec yes, thanks to the committee that brought in reagan

[13:42] Techrights-sec they distract from other health care issues to prevent any meaningful discussion

[13:42] Techrights-sec of the big picture

[13:42] Techrights-sec the reagan committee also paid kidnappers to hold hostages longer than necessary

[13:42] Techrights-sec committee is not quite the right word

[13:42] Techrights-sec not scotus but reagan

[13:42] schestowitz-TR covid and ukraine wars are over

[13:42] schestowitz-TR thanks scotus

[13:43] Techrights-sec `https://www.vox.com/2019/4/10/18295513/abortion-2020-roe-joe-biden-democrats-republicans

[13:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Abortion in America: how it became a partisan issue - Vox

[13:44] Techrights-sec https://text.npr.org/1096719971

[13:44] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-text.npr.org | Abortion wasn't always the politically charged issue it is today

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[14:15] schestowitz-TR some trans person knocks on door

[14:15] schestowitz-TR "csn I speak to roy?"

[14:15] schestowitz-TR I'm here in the dining room

[14:15] schestowitz-TR obviously it's someone visiting about the election

[14:15] schestowitz-TR "I already voted"

[14:15] schestowitz-TR rianne: he wants to know how you voted

[14:15] schestowitz-TR me: I keep it personal

[14:15] schestowitz-TR (I didn't know it was trans until he left and rianne told me)

[14:15] schestowitz-TR so for weeks we get tons of junk mail

[14:15] schestowitz-TR for campaigns

[14:15] schestowitz-TR and now they come knocking like dehovah witnesses

[14:15] schestowitz-TR maybe even worse than last year

[14:15] schestowitz-TR I didn't see the face of anything, but as soon as the knocking started I guessed it

[14:15] schestowitz-TR was election-related nag

[14:15] schestowitz-TR I think asking me how I voted is too nosy

[14:15] schestowitz-TR even if it was "exit poll"

[14:15] schestowitz-TR plus: we still have a virus passing through millions, I want to minimise exposure to people

[14:15] schestowitz-TR for the time being

[14:16] Techrights-sec definitely

[14:16] Techrights-sec and who knows where they are really from

[14:19] schestowitz-TR rianne and I talk about it at the moment

[14:19] schestowitz-TR she mentions how some are paid by parties to survey people

[14:19] schestowitz-TR I joke "it could be a spy even... LOL"

[14:19] schestowitz-TR ransom person passing by asking to speak to me and, failign that, asking how I vote"

[14:19] schestowitz-TR '

[14:19] schestowitz-TR with my first name on paper

[14:19] schestowitz-TR I don't know election rules, but in recent years even the junk mail was very undesirable

[14:19] schestowitz-TR never mind dooor visits

[14:19] schestowitz-TR those can wake a person up

[14:19] schestowitz-TR or be a false alarm

[14:20] Techrights-sec one can work days and hardly ever get an interruption at the door, but working

[14:20] Techrights-sec nights it can often seem like there is a queue in the hallway waiting to

[14:20] Techrights-sec bother the doorbell or knock

[14:23] schestowitz-TR rianne works weekeend basically, I do nights

[14:24] schestowitz-TR next week we'll do the "meeting" (Meet)

[14:24] schestowitz-TR Gulag I assume

[14:24] schestowitz-TR See what they have to offer and decide

[14:24] schestowitz-TR We already discuss other things we can do, since last week in fact

[14:24] schestowitz-TR TM and TR are run very efficiently, I could spare some time to earn the basics

[14:48] schestowitz-TR next thurs. on Gulag meet (yes, proprietary; I might even point that out on the call!)

[14:48] schestowitz-TR we'll see what's on offer and decide whether to take or or leave it... or outright leave

[14:48] Techrights-sec I hope the meeting goes well. BigBlueButton would be another option, it

[14:48] Techrights-sec is better than googemeet and zoom. Maybe it is easy to host on a RPI these

[14:48] Techrights-sec days.

[14:54] schestowitz-TR the probability of leaving is high because even a week ago we spoke about quitting

[14:54] schestowitz-TR before even knowing of any plans, that was just a coincidence

[14:54] schestowitz-TR because rianne was very unhappy about the embrace of Gulag Voice

[14:54] schestowitz-TR which mostly causes stress as it's not reliable liker Asterisk

[14:54] schestowitz-TR and we're not properly listened to, the decisions are not being made

[14:54] schestowitz-TR transparently

[14:54] Techrights-sec ack

[14:59] schestowitz-TR sorry for the ramble etc. I probably won't make the final decision on the spot. 3 people

[14:59] schestowitz-TR whom I spoke to all same more or less the same, but if I cannot keep this very easy job

[14:59] schestowitz-TR or keep this job very simple, it's time to move

[14:59] schestowitz-TR Outsourcing is part of the ongoing journey towards misery or the 'EFF effect'

[14:59] schestowitz-TR so rianne and I knew it would not last forever, even just days before it finally

[14:59] schestowitz-TR materialised, I believe for totally unrelated reasons

[14:59] schestowitz-TR one element here is also pride and principle; some of these clients I outright refuse to work for

[14:59] schestowitz-TR (like passing to a colleague) and it compromises my belief

[14:59] schestowitz-TR like RMS asking people to do things for him

[14:59] Techrights-sec yes

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[15:00] schestowitz-TR (of note: it's one of the reasons if not THE reason LXO quit ICBM... I think he didn't like them

[15:00] schestowitz-TR imposing clown things on Red Hat staff)

[15:02] schestowitz-TR /me mentally drafts a post like "Leaving My Job to Do Techrighs Full Time" and explaining

[15:02] schestowitz-TR the rationale and ramifications

[15:09] Techrights-sec again I would suggest setting up a tip jar of sorts at patreon or strip or both

[15:09] Techrights-sec ^stripe

[15:09] schestowitz-TR to be clear, I can point out that all the site's producitity was done for 10 years ith 36-hour-per-week job

[15:09] schestowitz-TR on the side

[15:09] schestowitz-TR but if I take money from readers there might be expectations and demand

[15:09] schestowitz-TR like iam dawe in GoL and Larabel at Phoronix

[15:09] schestowitz-TR that pressure if not healthy, rianne often jokes about Larabel having to write to please

[15:09] schestowitz-TR the sponsors

[15:10] Techrights-sec yes he does, but a tip jar is less pressure and none if one is up front

[15:10] Techrights-sec about goals (or am I too naive in that regard?)

[15:12] schestowitz-TR I can certainly give that a go, but no sooner than 7 days from now when I figure out the situation

[15:12] schestowitz-TR and 'translate' the "BS talk" (they're rarely honest with us, one need to read between the lines)

[15:12] schestowitz-TR I am guesing they wish to keep us with another set of tasks. I.e. much higher output. We've long

[15:12] schestowitz-TR been stagnant in NOC, which was good for us... but the outsourcing was mostly a desperate

[15:12] schestowitz-TR measure to cut costs

[15:12] Techrights-sec https://docs.bigbluebutton.org/2.3/install.html

[15:12] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-docs.bigbluebutton.org | BigBlueButton : Install

[15:12] Techrights-sec BBB is Docker :( :( :(

[15:13] schestowitz-TR Docker means "too compplicated to install, we could not bother to make it easier"

[15:13] schestowitz-TR Ubuntu means "can't install Debian" (true if you have nasty firmware, IME)

[15:14] Techrights-sec ack

[15:14] Techrights-sec yep and full of cruft at that

[15:14] Techrights-sec it means they could not bother even a little

[15:14] Techrights-sec it's basically proprietary software; I had mistaken it for FOSS

[15:19] schestowitz-TR funny story and relevant

[15:19] schestowitz-TR last year or in 2020 the company asked us to study docker and kubernetes

[15:19] schestowitz-TR and sent us links, courses etc.

[15:19] schestowitz-TR rianne even installed the darn thing on her laptop, with 4gb of ram, to tinker

[15:19] schestowitz-TR I cautioned her against it

[15:19] schestowitz-TR later she would also add flatpak and snap

[15:19] schestowitz-TR which are persistent as services

[15:20] schestowitz-TR but never mind that

[15:20] schestowitz-TR the point is, we reckon the company false claimed to possible clients that we had

[15:20] schestowitz-TR the skills ane xperience

[15:20] schestowitz-TR and post-hoc asdked us to study that (they did the same with ansible and kafka)

[15:20] schestowitz-TR I did install kafka on my laptop at one point

[15:20] schestowitz-TR IIRC, kafma started in LinkedIn (before Microsoft) and is now apache

[15:20] schestowitz-TR anyhow, I do know a bit of docker

[15:20] schestowitz-TR it's not impressive, it just assumes infinite resources and while prmising to lower

[15:20] schestowitz-TR complexity it makes things less elegant

[15:20] schestowitz-TR throwing cruft and redundancy at things to compensate for bad design

[15:20] schestowitz-TR flatpak leads to many of the same things being on the same system

[15:20] schestowitz-TR even multiple version of the same thing

[15:20] schestowitz-TR debian was (originally) about shared libraries ands meapackages sorting out the made of deps

[15:20] schestowitz-TR appimages, docker, and sll the rest are a departure from ths appaorahc

[15:20] schestowitz-TR out of laziness

[15:20] schestowitz-TR like the "apps" "ecosystem"

[15:20] schestowitz-TR but nowadays it's noy CS lecturers dictating trends

[15:20] schestowitz-TR but "economists"a and marketing people, who ship as soon as something "runs"

[15:20] schestowitz-TR never mind if it has 64k ports open

[15:20] schestowitz-TR and if it barely works

[15:20] schestowitz-TR it's economics to them, not science

[15:20] schestowitz-TR the EPO syndrome :-

[15:20] schestowitz-TR "if it makes more moneyh,, DO IT!"

[15:20] Techrights-sec Jitsi-Meet seems to fare better: https://download.jitsi.org/stable/

[15:20] Techrights-sec but it seems x86-only

[15:20] Techrights-sec ack

[15:20] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-download.jitsi.org | Index of /stable/

[15:20] Techrights-sec yes

[15:20] Techrights-sec yes, that schools have become followers and not leaders basically means

[15:20] Techrights-sec that society has ended up chasing its own tail in every tightening circles

[15:20] Techrights-sec with no progress forward; a death spiral of extraction as the schools are mined

[15:20] Techrights-sec if it makes more money -- this quarter -- do it!"""

[15:23] schestowitz-TR far-fetched analogy

[15:23] schestowitz-TR but this is why COVID-19 is so widepsread and normalised

[15:23] schestowitz-TR wars all the time(now ukraine, still a total mayhem)

[15:23] schestowitz-TR and poor health [sic] care [sic] not just in the US

[15:23] schestowitz-TR but the media is all about abortion rights at the moment

[15:23] schestowitz-TR (it's a big problem, but they turned it into POLITICS!!!)

[15:23] schestowitz-TR it's not a political issue

[15:23] schestowitz-TR it's "cheaper" to let old people die and younger ones to be crippled

[15:23] schestowitz-TR than to accept lockdowns are better, NZ did that

[15:23] schestowitz-TR we're an island like NZ

[15:24] Techrights-sec yes red herrings work to draw people away from matters of substance

[15:24] Techrights-sec or more accurately away from the /real/ core issues

[15:24] Techrights-sec Everything is being politicized these days

[15:33] schestowitz-TR of note: seveal times when I was 38 or 29 I thought of

[15:33] schestowitz-TR or 29

[15:33] schestowitz-TR *or 39

[15:33] schestowitz-TR I thought I should consider taking a break from work at 40

[15:33] schestowitz-TR I've worked since around 14

[15:33] schestowitz-TR I have some latex memoes where I had the listing of jobs, dates

[15:33] schestowitz-TR I have many of these rough 'memoirs'

[15:33] schestowitz-TR as memories fade and in one old job a had lots of time at "the office"

[15:33] schestowitz-TR withoiut much to do

[15:33] schestowitz-TR so I was typing a lot in LyX and sometimes directly in raw latex

[15:33] schestowitz-TR later years also in palm pda with keyboard

[15:33] schestowitz-TR the idea of working from 14 until 67 does not appeal to me

[15:33] schestowitz-TR nobody can even gurantee one can live till that age, either

[15:33] schestowitz-TR the economy is ina bad state

[15:33] schestowitz-TR and to me that is not an argument for working more or harder

[15:33] schestowitz-TR rather than taking a pause, applicable since cira 2008

[15:33] schestowitz-TR |*crica

[15:33] schestowitz-TR *circa

[15:33] schestowitz-TR *life is too shortr to proofread unless it's for a large audicnece ;-)

[15:38] Techrights-sec ack

[15:38] Techrights-sec quiterss is useful but very slow and CPU intensive, it sometimes hangs too

[15:38] schestowitz-TR /me looks at quiterss, not much of substance there

[15:38] schestowitz-TR rianne finioshed her pass, she did not find much either

[15:38] schestowitz-TR with less mind pollution from work I could think more clearly of topics to cover

[15:38] schestowitz-TR and work out of the way means more time flexibility

[15:38] schestowitz-TR quite rss is still a lot better than thunderbird after mozilla killed off lots of extensions

[15:38] schestowitz-TR including thunderbrowse, which I had used for years

[15:38] schestowitz-TR thunderbird only got worse for me, but for email the alternatives are abandoned

[15:38] schestowitz-TR as if the concept of making a decent mail client is like building a BBS client

[15:38] schestowitz-TR or USENET client... even IRC clients are still being developed

[15:38] schestowitz-TR but the challenge associated with them is of less complexity then treating WEB PAGES

[15:38] schestowitz-TR as "messages"

[15:38] schestowitz-TR apropos, for techrights-sec I always usequassel, which, seeing the features it is,

[15:38] schestowitz-TR has leapt passed konversation

[15:38] schestowitz-TR but I am too accustomed to konversation

[15:38] schestowitz-TR *leapt past

[15:38] schestowitz-TR *quassel

[15:38] schestowitz-TR I tried it about 12 years ago when Omar in IRC suggested trying it

[15:38] schestowitz-TR it has improved since

[15:39] schestowitz-TR Omar was a Palestinian living in Lebanon

[15:39] Techrights-sec I wish that applications would focus on one thing and do that one thing well

[15:39] Techrights-sec I see no need for a browser or RSSin a mail client

[15:39] Techrights-sec both quassel and konversation are quite good but quite different

[15:39] Techrights-sec ack

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[15:44] schestowitz-TR quassel has in ti the functionality I 'implemented' in bash, to track multiple channels in one place

[15:44] schestowitz-TR afaik, konversation still lacks that

[15:44] schestowitz-TR but my bash thing is more flexible, so it has been extended a bit, in ways I cannot do with bolted in GUI

[15:44] schestowitz-TR re html and mail, don't forget that some 'mail' clients no longer send text

[15:44] schestowitz-TR kaniini complained introducing people to some thing like REAL git (over email) was

[15:44] schestowitz-TR not possible because they thooughht email=web page

[15:44] schestowitz-TR and their "apps" insisted so

[15:44] schestowitz-TR so nowadays thunderbird can ave a ton of holes (EFF with "fmail" was AFTER barlow died...

[15:44] schestowitz-TR EFF keeps bashing PGP... a lot... to promote hipster SHITE)

[15:44] schestowitz-TR as Firefox grows and grows so does thunderbird

[15:44] schestowitz-TR a lot of tyhe trouble is a consequence of tossing gecko into a MAIL client

[15:44] schestowitz-TR and if you tuned off that "bit", then thunderbird would hardly need patches

[15:44] schestowitz-TR I've lost count of how many very fine extensions I once had in thunderbird

[15:44] schestowitz-TR they killed off almost all of them

[15:44] schestowitz-TR same in firefox

[15:45] schestowitz-TR cutting one's own legs and arms for "aerodynamics"

[15:45] schestowitz-TR (runners can run even faster if they surgically remove their ears... or breasts in women's case)

[15:47] Techrights-sec I know, I've started to see that. Also people who are limited to webmail clients are easy victims for phishing, sp

[15:47] Techrights-sec earphishing, and even clickless attacks

[15:47] Techrights-sec Perhaps therre is a conflict of interest among EFF staff that they are

[15:47] Techrights-sec trying to undermine privacy and integrity

[15:47] Techrights-sec yes firefox used to be simple and extensible

[15:47] Techrights-sec there were articles from several unrelated authors about the near impossible

[15:47] Techrights-sec situation GAFAM has created out of the web; it's not possible any more to

[15:47] Techrights-sec start developing a new web browser due to all the cruft and gratuitious

[15:47] Techrights-sec complexity;

[15:47] Techrights-sec I'd like to see a generic XML browser that has style sheets for HTML and other

[15:48] Techrights-sec markup languages

[15:49] schestowitz-TR netsurf is nice, but it would not work with "modern" sites or barely work with them

[15:49] schestowitz-TR afaict, it works nicely in fsf, gnu, tuxmachines, TR

[15:49] schestowitz-TR I did not check much beyond that, except schestowitz.com

[15:49] schestowitz-TR those were build for browsing in the IE6 era

[15:49] schestowitz-TR when the web became very, very stagnenant

[15:49] schestowitz-TR had become rather

[15:49] schestowitz-TR until Firefox came and grew

[15:49] schestowitz-TR www (protocols) and html* (formats, too) have since then became a lot more complex than even ooxml

[15:49] schestowitz-TR but nobody wants to say that

[15:49] schestowitz-TR and we are back to the era of "this works only with x yz browser"

[15:49] schestowitz-TR where it's likely all except firefox are the same codebase

[15:50] Techrights-sec yes we are clearly back in that era. strang that marketeetrs actively throw

[15:50] Techrights-sec away market share in order to pursue pernicious ideologies and not build things

[15:50] Techrights-sec or grow market shar

[15:50] Techrights-sec it's 1996 all over again

[15:54] schestowitz-TR very different in the technical sense due to scale

[15:54] schestowitz-TR bendali says firefrox and chrome are 30+ million LOCs

[15:54] schestowitz-TR he knows cause he builds off of them

[15:54] schestowitz-TR and I reckon he has a fell for which portions are essential

[15:54] schestowitz-TR with "workers" and other crap thrown into the browser (EME is binary blob) it's no longer

[15:54] schestowitz-TR just gecko, there are other moving parts inside the machine

[15:54] schestowitz-TR dealing with states and stuff like notifications (OS-level hooks)

[15:54] schestowitz-TR Even VirtualBox does not seem to have that much access

[15:54] schestowitz-TR this is to the OS what WINE, not a VM, is to an OS

[15:54] schestowitz-TR or maybe WSL

[15:54] schestowitz-TR WSL is failing, it's a niche toy and Microsoft seems to have limited the amount of money wasted

[15:54] schestowitz-TR on 1) developing it 2) marketing it

[15:55] Techrights-sec ... except now the browser are being used as virtual machines to run

[15:55] Techrights-sec programs of undetermined provenance and proprietary at that

[15:55] Techrights-sec ack

● May 05

[16:00] schestowitz-TR to whit, fgulag meet

[16:00] schestowitz-TR I didn't even know what it was

[16:00] schestowitz-TR rianne asked me to check

[16:00] schestowitz-TR I was guessing it's what gulag calls hangover [sic] now

[16:00] schestowitz-TR after canning "Hangouts"

[16:00] schestowitz-TR they also killed off Gulag Voice

[16:01] schestowitz-TR now it's "new experience"

[16:01] schestowitz-TR i.e. they removed some key features like "direct to landline"

[16:01] schestowitz-TR which is how rianne took calls off it

[16:01] schestowitz-TR each timew you log it there is a different version running

[16:01] schestowitz-TR it's a program of unknown integrity

[16:01] schestowitz-TR running off your machine

[16:01] schestowitz-TR but sent over to you by some unknown, NSA-connected entity

[16:01] schestowitz-TR in another continent

[16:01] schestowitz-TR all this just to implement simple chat

[16:01] schestowitz-TR I did this back in the 1990s with 14k baud modem

[16:01] schestowitz-TR just occurred to me, if NSA targets you, gulag will send a tailor-made version

[16:01] schestowitz-TR of gulag hangover/voice/meat [sic] to you

[16:01] schestowitz-TR with lots of juicy things

[16:01] schestowitz-TR now that browsers can access anything on your machine and the network

[16:01] schestowitz-TR you would not see cxhecksums of the program your browser is executing

[16:01] schestowitz-TR and gulag doe snot support any browser not controlled at least partly by gulag for its

[16:01] schestowitz-TR disservices

[16:01] schestowitz-TR so it is in control of "both sides of the transaction"

[16:01] schestowitz-TR the program it sends to you

[16:01] schestowitz-TR and the shandbox which executes it

[16:01] Techrights-sec yep

[16:01] Techrights-sec yep or any number of other things, including javascript in the browser aas

[16:01] Techrights-sec a steping stone to larger intrusions if nothing else

[16:06] schestowitz-TR brb coffee, then working on feeds, then recording

[16:06] schestowitz-TR (feeling like this summer I might be free at last)

[16:12] schestowitz-TR ack

[16:12] Techrights-sec ack

[16:12] schestowitz-TR back

[16:12] schestowitz-TR if I make up free time, I can improve a lot of things in git (over gemini), irc, gemini, and of course the site

[16:12] schestowitz-TR which needs modernising only at the back end

[16:13] schestowitz-TR it's good that we don't rely on just one protocol and everything is consolidated (no social

[16:13] schestowitz-TR controm media inc. for video)

[16:13] schestowitz-TR whichj limits the amount of time-wasting and risk

[16:13] schestowitz-TR I will convey these ideas to rianne later

[16:13] schestowitz-TR I have a feeling the new offer they give us won't be good enough and we will leave in good terms

[16:13] schestowitz-TR as I said a week ago, I had no intention ofm seeking alternative employment

[16:13] schestowitz-TR another option might be, agree to do 1-2 days a week, just to keep financially neutral and a foot inside the

[16:13] Techrights-sec ack

[16:13] Techrights-sec ok

[16:13] schestowitz-TR door so to speak

[16:13] schestowitz-TR it'll likely be negotiable

[16:13] schestowitz-TR rianne does 2 a week now, I've done 4.6 a week for a decade

[16:22] schestowitz-TR daily links heavy on abortion new, light on 'FOSS'

[16:22] schestowitz-TR in progress atm

[16:22] Techrights-sec ack

[16:22] Techrights-sec In the automated links or the manual links?

[16:22] schestowitz-TR in was just about to add:

[16:22] schestowitz-TR the abortion stuff isn't the cujrated bit

[16:22] schestowitz-TR but the sites we have "left" in the program are decent

[16:22] schestowitz-TR and do not over-politicise this issue

[16:22] schestowitz-TR they rightly present this as a women's (primarily) matter

[16:22] schestowitz-TR and how the corporate system with scotus fails them

[16:22] schestowitz-TR (typically when I add those they go near the top of categories not due to preferences

[16:22] schestowitz-TR but practical reasons of finding the category name)

[16:22] schestowitz-TR so "first" means "ltest added"

[16:24] Techrights-sec ok

[16:24] Techrights-sec ack

[16:24] schestowitz-TR I wanmted to point this out many times before

[16:24] schestowitz-TR it really ought to be the opposite, i.e. curated first, then the rest

[16:24] schestowitz-TR but in practice that means a lot of scrolling

[16:24] schestowitz-TR (my mouse has poor scrolling, but it gets by)

[16:24] Techrights-sec I can look into the order but I thought the automated links came after the

[16:24] Techrights-sec curated links

[16:26] schestowitz-TR yes, but when they're added it's reverse-chrom

[16:26] schestowitz-TR popping on top of the stack when searching for the category name, then dropping it on top

[16:26] schestowitz-TR after added the items on top of the "merged" file

[16:26] schestowitz-TR one possible "fix" is to first do automate, then curated added at the top

[16:26] schestowitz-TR another is, always scroll down to the bottom

[16:26] schestowitz-TR but that's like 100-200 times per day

[16:27] Techrights-sec Ok I'll look into fixing the sequencing, it may take a day or so

[16:27] Techrights-sec I just have to see which script is reversing the sequence, if that is what's

[16:27] Techrights-sec happening.

[16:28] schestowitz-TR that is more of my workflow issue, not the program

[16:28] schestowitz-TR namely, it is faster to search for the heading of the category, then place the cursor below

[16:28] schestowitz-TR than to find the bottom of the blocks of stories, then place the cussor there

[16:32] schestowitz https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/04/candlelit-vigil-will-press-biden-deliver-covid-19-vaccine-patent-waiver

[16:32] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Candlelit Vigil Will Press Biden to Deliver Covid-19 Vaccine Patent Waiver

[16:33] schestowitz-TR KEI/Jamie Love seem to be MIA

[16:33] schestowitz-TR or maybe went under some years ago

[16:33] schestowitz-TR they're barely visible anymore

[16:33] Techrights-sec ack

[16:33] Techrights-sec can you point to a file (presumably 2022-05-05-merged.html) and a

[16:33] Techrights-sec title in a section demostratingthe problem? I'm seeingthe curated links

[16:33] Techrights-sec at the top and the automated links trailing them

[16:35] schestowitz-TR the workflow is the issue, not the file

[16:35] schestowitz-TR I start at the top, adding them in order

[16:35] schestowitz-TR then, later, I assemble the unsorted lot, but adding those to top of their parent node, rather than bottom, as find

[16:35] schestowitz-TR ing the bottom typically means scrolling down a lot

[16:56] schestowitz-TR finalising faily links

[16:56] schestowitz-TR thoughts

[16:56] schestowitz-TR when unis were wpontrolled by the statge they served science

[16:56] schestowitz-TR whenc otnrolled by corporatios or partnering with them

[16:56] schestowitz-TR they tend to gravitate towards serving the financial needs of the companies

[16:56] schestowitz-TR inc. factors like marketing (clown, training)m and outsourcing

[16:56] schestowitz-TR so that might expalin whjy professors become followers ratheer thasn leadersa

[16:56] schestowitz-TR and bruce schnier often times just parrots what ciorporations say

[16:56] schestowitz-TR instead of forming his own views/words/interpretation

[16:56] schestowitz-TR bbiab

[16:56] schestowitz-TR just tryion t to do one thing at one time to avoid confusion

[16:57] Techrights-sec ok so the curated links should be at the end instead of the beginning where

[16:57] Techrights-sec they are at the moment?

[16:59] Techrights-sec ack

[16:59] Techrights-sec ok fixing that ...

[16:59] schestowitz-TR yes, it would help place them at he top of categories, where they truly belong, or I could just start reading the

[16:59] schestowitz-TR file from the middle

[16:59] schestowitz-TR I think actually, don't chenge that

[16:59] schestowitz-TR leave as is

[16:59] schestowitz-TR I will just start near the middle next time

[16:59] schestowitz-TR there is also the section that is new "supplementary'" which I don't kw hopw or when to handle

● May 05

[17:01] Techrights-sec ok

[17:01] Techrights-sec it's not too hard to change , just a shell script

[17:01] Techrights-sec that's not feasible without some ML and first harvesting the full article

[17:01] Techrights-sec would anchors help so that it is easy to hop back and forth within the page?

[17:01] schestowitz-TR the real challenge would be using some heuristics to 'guess' where the iterms might belong, or make assumptions bas

[17:01] schestowitz-TR ed on the feeds e.g. dont extraditeassange always going under "freedom of the press" and torrrentfresk always under

[17:01] schestowitz-TR copyreights

[17:01] schestowitz-TR not sure how to implement this neatly

[17:02] Techrights-sec something like that might be feasible but not so easy to maintain

[17:03] schestowitz-TR done manually, it does not take much effort

[17:03] schestowitz-TR the issue is, I need to start with the latter stuff, to make it so that curated goes on top

[17:18] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/05/05/bbc-whitewashing-a-criminal/

[17:18] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive While the BBC is Whitewashing a Criminal That Sponsors the BBC COVID-19 Kills Many More (and That BBC Sponsor Profits From Those Deaths)

[17:19] schestowitz-TR report typos please ;-)

[17:21] Techrights-sec ack

[17:21] Techrights-sec checking

[17:21] Techrights-sec need a stronger reminder about Gates forcing the university to reneg on their

[17:21] Techrights-sec promise not to patent / collect royalties on the UK vaccine

[17:22] schestowitz-TR I also add that

[17:29] Techrights-sec firefox has broken its ability to parse files if they do not have the right

[17:29] Techrights-sec names or parts of names. 'x' will not be accepted even if it is HTML but the

[17:29] Techrights-sec same file if renamed to 'x.html' will be acccepted.

[17:30] schestowitz-TR CLI functionality of FF got worse over time

[17:30] schestowitz-TR instead of more versatile

[17:30] schestowitz-TR I've finalised my post, found some typos

[17:30] schestowitz-TR this won't be the last on this topic

[17:30] schestowitz While the BBC is Whitewashing a Criminal That Sponsors the BBC COVID-19 Kills Many More (and That BBC Sponsor Profits From Those Deaths) http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/05/05/bbc-whitewashing-a-criminal/

[17:33] schestowitz-TR looking at corona portal atm

[17:33] schestowitz-TR I will have a go at billBC...

[17:33] schestowitz-TR more important than EPO

[17:33] schestowitz-TR report typos please ;-)

[17:33] schestowitz-TR http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/05/05/bbc-whitewashing-a-criminal/

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● May 05

[18:12] schestowitz-TR OTA

[18:12] schestowitz-TR got part 14

[18:12] schestowitz-TR wanns see it in /tmp ?

[18:12] schestowitz-TR it is there now

[18:12] Techrights-sec ok

[18:14] schestowitz-TR [18:12] schestowitz-TR, Facebook blames Apple and "the general macroeconomic environment" for a hiring f

[18:14] schestowitz-TR reeze and a 40% collapse in their stock price.

[18:14] schestowitz-TR 12 and 13 were published and had been put there already IIRC

[18:14] Techrights-sec where are parts 12 and 13?

[18:14] Techrights-sec found it

[18:27] Techrights-sec all set

[18:27] schestowitz-TR added crude first draft while video processing

[18:51] Techrights-sec ack

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