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00:11 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22032012
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00:21 CrystalMath; i can now confirm that various EU IP addresses are dropping connections to sputnik's IP addresses
00:21 CrystalMath; i can only connect through VPNs in sane countries
00:23 CrystalMath; scanning the thing through tor's exit nodes in the EU, i can confirm this is more likely a deliberate blockage as opposed to some DDoS
00:23 CrystalMath; they're no longer messing around with DNS
00:25 MinceR; i think they made it official a while ago
00:26 CrystalMath; i think i'm going to mirror sputniknews myself
00:27 MinceR; ah, you've taken on yourself the duty of hungarian state media, minus the translation
00:27 CrystalMath; i'm fighting against censorship
00:27 CrystalMath; which is what techrights should be doing
00:28 MinceR; techrights should help the terrorussian war effort?
00:28 MinceR; strange, i thought techrights was supposed to stay out of this war
00:29 CrystalMath; war?
00:29 CrystalMath; i'm not talking about war i'm talking about censorship
00:29 CrystalMath; what is with you
00:29 MinceR; right, putler calls it "special military operation"
00:29 MinceR; also, "peacekeeping"
00:29 CrystalMath; well i call it censorship
00:30 MinceR; not many people will understand you that way :>
00:30 CrystalMath; if the EU is blocking an IP range because of its content, that's called censorship
00:30 MinceR; that it is
00:30 CrystalMath; and that is something everyone here should oppose
00:31 MinceR; and the content being blocked is information warfare, or desinformation
00:31 MinceR; people should also oppose war
00:31 MinceR; and nuclear saberrattling
00:32 CrystalMath; there is no excuse for censorship
00:32 MinceR; indeed, and i'm not sure if they'll accomplish anything with it
00:32 MinceR; and yet i'm not going to help vladolf
00:33 MinceR; he can go fuck himself
00:33 MinceR; he had a hand in fucking up the country where i live, destroying the prospects of my life, and his predecessors also had a hand in fucking up the country where i live, and destroying the mentality of most people who live here
00:35 MinceR; oh, also, i'm already sick and tired of terrorussian propaganda being funnelled to me through various channels, including hungarian state tv channels
00:36 CrystalMath; there is no excuse for censorship
00:37 MinceR; you're barking up the wrong tree
00:38 CrystalMath; really? i thought we're all against censorship here
00:38 MinceR; you seem to be stuck in a loop
00:38 CrystalMath; you do realize that supporting censorship even ONCE is enough to completely discredit every single time you've spoken against it?
00:38 CrystalMath; i don't think you realize it
00:38 CrystalMath; you just supported every single instance of it
00:38 MinceR; you do realize that supporting putler's invasion of ukraine even once is enough to completely discredit every single time one has spoken against it?
00:39 CrystalMath; i don't care about it
00:39 MinceR; i know
00:39 MinceR; i do
00:39 CrystalMath; this is techrights, we care about tech rights
00:39 CrystalMath; we care about software freedom
00:39 CrystalMath; we care about privacy
00:39 CrystalMath; and we care about free access to information
00:39 CrystalMath; (free as in freedom)
00:40 MinceR; that's nice and all, but there's no information in the cesspits known as sputnik and rt
00:40 MinceR; there is only disinformation there
00:40 CrystalMath; i confirm RT is not blocked, though
00:40 CrystalMath; nor Tass, just sputnik
00:41 CrystalMath; anyway, it really doesn't matter what is blocked
00:41 CrystalMath; it must not matter
00:41 CrystalMath; being anti-censorship means being non-selectively against censoring information
00:41 CrystalMath; it means not censoring the flat earth, scientology, you name it
00:41 CrystalMath; it doesn't matter how false it is
00:42 CrystalMath; a person who is not anti-censorship is pro-censorship
00:42 MinceR; run your mouth all you like, i'm not going to help your favorite dictator in his war
00:43 CrystalMath; i don't need your help, i am pointing out that you don't even belong her
00:43 CrystalMath; *here
00:44 MinceR; then remove me from here
00:44 CrystalMath; also, i'm providing this information to techrights to write about and condemn the censorship committed by the EU
00:44 MinceR; also, ask XRevan86 about roskomnadzor, since you seem to be on a crusade against censorship
00:44 CrystalMath; right, we condemn that already i'm sure
00:44 MinceR; you'll be surprised how much of a supporter of censorship vladolf is
00:44 MinceR; no, you don't
00:45 MinceR; also, he had Navalny poisoned and imprisoned for what he said
00:45 CrystalMath; but censoring (some) supporters of censorship means supporting censorship
00:45 MinceR; who am i censoring?
00:45 MinceR; and how?
00:45 CrystalMath; you are indirectly supporting the EU's censorship
00:45 CrystalMath; which is contrary to tech rights
00:46 CrystalMath; tomorrow, maybe you'll support proprietary extensions in hardware to spy on people
00:46 CrystalMath; because maybe it will find Putin's "agents"
00:46 CrystalMath; see where this is going?
00:48 MinceR; yeah, i see where this is going
00:48 MinceR; you ignore everything that doesn't support putler
00:49 CrystalMath; what?
00:49 CrystalMath; so you literally won't even deny that you would support proprietary spyware
00:49 CrystalMath; i did not expect that
00:51 MinceR; and i'm not even going to dignify that with an answer
00:51 CrystalMath; Richard Stallman, i'm sure is strongly against the special operation, but if he said that it would be okay to force proprietary spyware on people to detect "Putin's agents", i would renounce him immediately
00:51 CrystalMath; the part about the reason to force proprietary software on people is completely irrelevant, it always was; this must always be opposed
00:51 CrystalMath; no matter what you put there
00:53 MinceR; blocking IP addresses is perfectly doable with free software tools
00:53 MinceR; and so is disconnecting CheburNet from the Internet
00:54 CrystalMath; it would be shocking if Stallman supported censorship, and that would hurt his image, but it would not be a reason to completely renounce him; it is after all a side issue compared to software freedom
00:54 CrystalMath; we're now talking about proprietary spyware to detect Putin's agents, which is hypothetical today
00:54 CrystalMath; EU censorship was hypothetical yesterday
00:56 MinceR; again, no proprietary spyware is necessary to detect you
00:56 MinceR; any web browser and our public logs would be sufficient
00:56 CrystalMath; the closest i've ever been to Putin is through ReactOS
00:57 CrystalMath; and he never paid me
00:57 CrystalMath; sure, he did donate to ReactOS, but i never took any of that money
00:57 CrystalMath; everything i did there, i did it because my heart told me to
00:58 MinceR; the heart is a poor advisor
00:58 CrystalMath; i don't know if i should be proud or devastated that i'm in such a small group of people holding to a principled stance against censorship
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.75 k/sec., IPFS upstream 32.63 average k/sec., average swarm size 283.60
00:59 CrystalMath; proud because i'm in it, devastated because it's so small
00:59 MinceR; you're not in any group holding to a principled stance against censorship
01:05 CrystalMath; classic case of projecting ^
01:06 CrystalMath; you're the one who is being unprincipled, you criticize roskomnadzor but not this crap
01:06 MinceR; i've also given my reasons for it
01:06 CrystalMath; you have principles, but anti-censorship is not one of them
01:07 MinceR; you have principles, but anti-censorship is not one of them
01:07 CrystalMath; i oppose censorship in all situations
01:07 CrystalMath; you do not...
01:08 CrystalMath; it's that simple
01:08 MinceR; no, you do not
01:08 CrystalMath; i'm claiming right now that i do, you literally claim that you do not
01:08 MinceR; you're supporting a dictator who engages in heavy censorship all the time, even right now
01:29 CrystalMath; i'm not supporting the censorship part, and i never did
01:30 CrystalMath; also, my support of these governments is selective, not complete
01:30 CrystalMath; the important thing is to be firm on anti-censorship
01:35 MinceR; curious how the important things get selected
01:35 MinceR; like how the most important freedom is to be unvaccinated against the God-Virus but other pathogens don't matter
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01:44 CrystalMath; the important thing is to be firm on anti-censorship
01:44 CrystalMath; this really puts all viruses in the shade
01:45 MinceR; funny how that works
01:48 CrystalMath; the serbian sputniknews website says that the outage in serbia is due to DDoS
01:48 CrystalMath; but that does not explain how no IP in sweden, germany, or austria can open it
01:48 CrystalMath; whereas USA, brazil, and mexico open it immediately
01:49 CrystalMath; see, the US is actually sticking to its free speech principles
01:49 CrystalMath; and this is very, very commendable
01:49 MinceR; read up on their policy on BDS, then
01:49 MinceR; also, read up on this >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anycast
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01:49 TR Bot; Anycast - Wikipedia
01:51 CrystalMath; the US may ban the implementation of israel boycotts, but it does not ban speech
01:55 CrystalMath; nobody's perfect, but being adamant on anti-censorship is commendable and it's great for the US's image
01:55 MinceR; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_States
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01:55 TR Bot; Censorship in the United States - Wikipedia
01:56 MinceR; being a hypocrite on anti-censorship, less so
01:57 CrystalMath; this is way better than the EU
01:57 MinceR; it probably is, but perfect it ain't
01:57 CrystalMath; the EU has literally taken it upon itself to build their own great firewall
01:58 activelow; why is it, i do fear to say, that i do not believe Putin or any Russian military supposedly ordered to shoot civilians (which some video was shown in evening news)
01:58 CrystalMath; activelow: because it's bullcrap
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 9.81 average k/sec., average swarm size 274.31
01:59 MinceR; the soldiers did it in their free time?
01:59 CrystalMath; it did not happen of course
01:59 MinceR; they were on vacation, like in crimea in 2014?
02:00 activelow; CrystalMath: do you think russian military did this, shooting civilian passengers? i do not believe, yet i do not know because i hadn't been there.
02:00 CrystalMath; activelow: of course not
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02:15 matey; ill bite, how are we fighting censorship today? and how does it help putler
02:16 matey; to crystalmath and mincer respectively
02:16 MinceR; by spreading putler's disinformation so that he can win the war, apparently
02:16 MinceR; and take over ukraine, and encroach on the freedom of speech of even more people
02:17 matey; who is censoring putlers disinformation (im not sceptical about the part that putler is spreading disinformation, ive seen it)
02:17 MinceR; allegedly the EU is blocking various terrorussian propaganda sites
02:17 matey; it sets a bad precedent
02:17 MinceR; earlier i've heard of RT but i'm not sure if that's blocked; allegedly sputnik is being blocked now
02:17 MinceR; it does
02:17 matey; (and not for the first time-- meaning technically its a not a precedent)
02:17 MinceR; and i'm not sure if it actually helps
02:17 matey; so we are in agreement
02:18 matey; but what is crystalmath trying to do about it
02:18 MinceR; are people who go to RT and sputnik for "news" likely to oppose vladolf, ever?
02:18 MinceR; apparently he wants Roy to set up a mirror or something
02:18 matey; this is the first ive heard of rt being pro putler, i thought they were leftish (for russia i mean)
02:18 MinceR; also, i suspect that they're spreading more propaganda over social control media and chat
02:18 matey; granteed i havent seen rt in a year or two
02:19 matey; also, i suspect that they're spreading more propaganda over social control media and chat <- no, only the americans do that. russians would never...
02:19 matey; :)
02:19 MinceR; and we already know how well outlets like dumbFuckBook help stop the spread of neofascist propaganda
02:19 matey; nazibook?
02:19 MinceR; yeah
02:19 matey; heh
02:19 MinceR; faecesbook
02:19 matey; fascistbook
02:20 matey; zuck is jewish, i assume hes just trying to look edgy
02:20 MinceR; no, he's just trying to get even richer
02:20 MinceR; cambridge analytica was also merely driving engagement for him
02:20 MinceR; and who cares if the usa loses rule of law
02:20 matey; certainly not he
02:20 MinceR; (what rule of law it had, anyway)
02:21 matey; ineded
02:21 matey; indeed
02:21 matey; im in the dark about how youre pro-censorship on this
02:22 matey; maybe rt would explain it to me, IF I COULD GO THERE
02:22 MinceR; by not wanting to help host mirrors of terrorussian propaganda sites
02:22 matey; so youre not pro-censorship, youre neutral on mirroring
02:22 matey; crystalmath has boolean trouble sometimes
02:22 MinceR; i don't care if he does it
02:22 matey; i mean dont we all
02:22 matey; but this is an example of it
02:23 MinceR; the hungarian government already translates and rebroadcasts every lie that comes out of terrorussia
02:23 matey; so there isnt much for you to do about it then
02:23 MinceR; and millions of hungarian idiots believe every letter of it
02:23 MinceR; nope
02:23 matey; if you wanted to be a dick about it
02:23 MinceR; all i can do is wait for the human species to kill itself off and see how they choose to do it
02:23 matey; and im not saying you do, but just for the sake of argument
02:23 matey; and im not saying i do either-- but just to make a semi-useful point
02:24 matey; you could turn crystalmaths argument against them
02:24 MinceR; he doesn't listen to reason
02:24 matey; and say "if youre so anti-censorship why dont you go mirror something USEFUL that is being censored"
02:24 matey; thats the first part
02:24 matey; the second part is
02:24 MinceR; i guess to him it's useful
02:25 matey; you accuse them of being PRO-CENSORSHIP about more important things, because instead theyre only helping putler
02:25 matey; after all, we cant mirror everything right?
02:25 MinceR; presumably it's less work to become vladolf putler's slave in serbia if putler just marches through ukraine and hungary and takes over serbia
02:25 matey; so why choose to save putler from this oh-so-important thing
02:25 MinceR; than just moving to terrorussia
02:25 matey; but of course that would be dickish
02:25 matey; and we are trying to set a good example here
02:25 matey; i think
02:26 MinceR; it's because he thought he finally found a way to get freedom-respecting people to help putler's crusade against freedom
02:26 matey; well they admit their bias
02:26 matey; so i think this is more about bias than about censorship, but thats just my take on it
02:26 matey; its technically about censorship too...
02:27 matey; but since none of us are waving a flag for censorship here, what do they want
02:27 CrystalMath; matey: i never asked MinceR to host it
02:27 matey; what do you actually want from him though
02:28 CrystalMath; to have the principle of anti-censorship that this place is supposed to have
02:28 matey; and how is he falling short of that in your opinion
02:28 CrystalMath; by not condemning EU censorship
02:28 matey; i think technically he did condemn it, just not very passionately
02:28 CrystalMath; it's pretty bad, they've opened pandora's box
02:28 matey; he said it sets a bad precedent
02:29 matey; thats technically condemnation
02:29 matey; this isnt a nitpick, i think it counts
02:29 MinceR; no, they opened pandora's box when they stood idle while orban and kaczynski turned 2 member states into dictatorships
02:29 matey; heh
02:29 MinceR; and they even handed those dictators money to help prop up their regimes
02:30 matey; some people want mincer to stop being a smartass
02:30 matey; other people would like to ban being a smartass
02:30 matey; to them i say, if we outlaw being a smartass, then only dumbasses will be smartasses
02:30 MinceR; lol
02:31 matey; this channel needs at least one smartass that isnt a dumbass
02:31 matey; thats why we have mincer
02:32 matey; also mincer is the only reason tha someday, somehow, this chat will not be hosted on something running systemd
02:32 matey; even if it takes another 15 years
02:32 MinceR; lol
02:32 MinceR; i have no influence on that
02:32 matey; ive noticed!
02:32 matey; and youve only been trying since 2000-fucking-11
02:33 matey; someone should give you a fucking medal
02:33 matey; youre like the smedley butler of gnu/linux distributions
02:33 matey; i dont even think denis roio gave a shit about systemd in 2011
02:33 MinceR; lol
02:33 matey; though i dont know that he didnt
02:34 MinceR; i doubt that i knew about it before he did
02:34 matey; i wish crystalmath had cared about all the censorship that went into THAT takeover
02:34 matey; bceause it lasted for years
02:35 matey; well the thing is, systemd never affected me until it came into debian
02:35 matey; and that was a non-issue until late 2014
02:35 matey; and i switched to devuan in early 2015, when roio put out a pre-alpha iso
02:35 matey; heres the sad part
02:36 matey; devuan never (to the best of my knowledge) put out a better version than roios pre-alpha
02:36 matey; its a bit like reactos
02:36 matey; cool idea, only the oldest versions were of any use to me at all
02:36 matey; after the audit i couldnt find any real hardware to boot it
02:36 matey; this isnt technically reactoss fault though
02:37 matey; with all the russian devs involved its probably putlers :)
02:37 matey; ^ im joking
02:37 MinceR; the systemd cultists acted faster than devuan could accumulate workforce
02:37 matey; yes that was part of it
02:37 matey; the systemdouches are the root cause
02:37 matey; i wont get into everything wrong with devuan itself
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02:38 matey; but it was a good idea
02:38 MinceR; probably the last GNU/Linux distro with stable releases and no systemd left is Slackware, and it releases so rarely its stable releases aren't always practical to run
02:38 MinceR; last time i installed it i had to install -current because the kernel that shipped with 14.2 was too old to support my hardware
02:38 matey; i no longer use "practical" and "linux" in the same sentence (unless its like when i did exactly that, just now)
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02:39 MinceR; as such, there aren't really enough people who care for stable GNU/Linux to be maintained anymore
02:39 matey; linux wont give you freedom 3 (disputed, immibis has a counterexample)
02:39 MinceR; but then, MICROS~1 and ibm/deadrat are destroying Linux too
02:39 matey; there aren't really enough people who care for stable GNU/Linux to be maintained anymore <- those who care are looking at other options
02:39 matey; this is the sad truth
02:39 MinceR; yeah
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02:40 matey; but imo, linux was a counterrevolution already 20 years ago
02:40 matey; systemd is just the icing on the cake
02:40 matey; its thick icing, and the result is like that website with terribly looking cupcake shit all over the place
02:40 matey; whatever the name is-- cakedistasters, something like that
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02:41 matey; what linux is really like on the inside, systemd brings to the surface-- and then adds its own layer on top of that
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02:42 matey; it shouldnt even be called gnu/linux
02:42 matey; it should be called gnu/antignu
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02:42 matey; you put them together and your computer...
02:42 matey; well gnu/systemd at least should be called gnu/antignu
02:43 matey; there is no linux, there is only fuul
02:43 MinceR; it's systemd/Linux
02:43 matey; soon to be systemd/kerneld
02:43 MinceR; though since Linus stood aside, perhaps kroah-hartmanux or systemd-kerneld is a better name for the kernel
02:43 matey; technically he was brushed aside
02:43 AdmFubar; https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/24/nvidia_intel_chips/
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02:44 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/24/nvidia_intel_chips/
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02:44 TR Bot; Nvidia CEO: We're open to Intel making our chips The Register
02:44 matey; but yes, he certainly hasnt struggled to come back
02:44 matey; after stallman does state of free software, linus should do state of the kernel
02:44 matey; which one will be worse? i guess we will find out in april
02:44 MinceR; i don't think Linus gets to speek freely anymore
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02:45 matey; someone should remake batman (the adam west one, as if there were others) but with free software people
02:45 MinceR; yet another batman remake?
02:45 matey; its not a remake if adam west is in it
02:46 matey; granted, theyll have to speed up the action scenes with camera magic
02:46 matey; maybe they can animate it
02:46 AdmFubar; sound just like in here today... https://xkcd.com/2597/
02:46 TR Bot; Salary Negotiation
02:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/2597/
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02:47 matey; munroe is dead to me
02:47 MinceR; same
02:47 AdmFubar; batman by ouija board?
02:47 matey; is he dead?
02:48 MinceR; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15nNY7uofNw
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02:48 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=15nNY7uofNw
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02:48 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Curse of The Weggy Board - Invidious
02:49 AdmFubar; adam west dies I think a couple of years ago
02:50 matey; perfect spokesman for linux then
02:50 matey; /me hopes they bring him back in a later issue
02:53 AdmFubar; https://www.wired.com/story/viasat-internet-hack-ukraine-russia/
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02:53 TR Bot; Satellite Hack Spills Beyond RussiaUkraine War | WIRED
02:53 matey; /me hopes this hack was more useful than just broadcasting a bunch of hearts
02:57 AdmFubar; https://tedium.co/2022/03/23/asahi-linux-apple-silicon-first-thoughts/
=> ↺ https://tedium.co/2022/03/23/asahi-linux-apple-silicon-first-thoughts/
02:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: tedium.co | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tedium.co/2022/03/23/asahi-linux-apple-silicon-first-thoughts/
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02:57 TR Bot; Asahi Linux: The Individual Users Stake in an Apple Silicon World
02:57 matey; the only thing that bothers me about apple silicon is this
02:58 matey; most of the time, when you want to address the cpu, you use machine code or asm or something like that
02:58 matey; and the m1 makes you use the mouse instead
02:58 matey; tbh its very inefficient
02:58 MinceR; you buy a real computer and use that instead
02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.15 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.45 average k/sec., average swarm size 273.93
02:59 MinceR; https://assets.amuniversal.com/6b08abb09fbb012f2fe600163e41dd5b ( https://dilbert.com/strip/1995-06-24 )
=> ↺ https://assets.amuniversal.com/6b08abb09fbb012f2fe600163e41dd5b
=> ↺ https://dilbert.com/strip/1995-06-24
02:59 MinceR; obligatory
02:59 TR Bot; Comic Strip on 1995-06-24 | Dilbert by Scott Adams
02:59 matey; "the first cpu with its own low-level gui" jobs would be so proud
02:59 AdmFubar; https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2022/03/23/russia_it_pro_exodus/
=> ↺ https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2022/03/23/russia_it_pro_exodus/
02:59 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2022/03/23/russia_it_pro_exodus/
02:59 TR Bot; Local industry lobby says IT pros fleeing Russia The Register
02:59 MinceR; so would dave cutler
02:59 matey; /me double-clicks some 64-bit registers
02:59 matey; this could take a while...
02:59 MinceR; they've gone from bloating the kernel with a GUI to bloating the CPU with a GUI
03:00 matey; its really a throwback to the pdp when you had to toggle the bootloader in on the front panel
03:00 matey; but with rounded corners and a chrome-covered mouse its just so much cooler
03:01 matey; ive seriously been waiting this long for a user-friendly cpu though
03:01 matey; i mean, finally!
03:01 matey; plus it comes in different colours. why the hell didnt intel think of that?
03:02 matey; most importantly though
03:02 matey; its a cpu with a big fucking apple logo on it
03:02 matey; its about fucking time.
03:02 matey; their next cpu will also be a phone :)
03:02 MinceR; but how does the cultist show off the logo on the cpu?
03:03 MinceR; have they figured out a way to cool it without covering a logo?
03:03 matey; mincer: see-thru heatsink made of transparent aluminium
03:03 MinceR; or have they went the usual route and just forgot about cooling?
03:03 MinceR; i don't think that has been invented yet
03:03 matey; its just a holdover until tim cook can invent see-thru chrome
03:04 MinceR; tim crook can't invent shit
03:04 matey; buy honestly, they have 1-way mirrors so it shouldnt be too hard
03:04 MinceR; he can't even innovate his cult
03:04 matey; tim crook can't invent shit <- this is why they need a holdover
03:04 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 371326 total Total number of pages in capsule: 39862 Active: active (running) since Mon 2022-02-07 16:50:38 GMT; 1 months 13 days ago
03:04 MinceR; "1-way mirrors" are mostly glass
03:04 MinceR; and glass doesn't conduct heat well
03:04 matey; ah, but
03:04 MinceR; then again, crApple "engineers" wouldn't care if it did anyway
03:04 matey; if you heat the glass...
03:05 MinceR; they didn't mind building an alleged phone with an antenna that the user would normally short-circuit
03:05 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 1.3 GB TotalOut: 283 MB
03:06 matey; "we made a phone that looks good and has the best features-- and you want it to WORK, too? theres just no pleasing you people"
03:06 MinceR; lol
03:06 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:06 matey; "engineers" they prefer the term "creatives"
03:06 MinceR; if you want a phone that looks good, has the best features and works, go to the competition
03:06 MinceR; sadly, LG has given up the fight
03:06 matey; i know
03:07 MinceR; as the slogan for the V50 said, "What's it gonna take?"
03:07 matey; i had a phone from them that was barely bigger than a zippo lighter (it was large enough to be more ergonomic than that)
03:07 IPFS; QmbtCnKikT7Qr6XTD9CLjRmtU6T3bRTyVqgASiAa1S3VBY
03:07 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
03:07 matey; it was cheap, reliable, and had JUST ENOUGH browser capability for what i needed on a phone
03:07 matey; needless to say i dont do much browsing on a phone
03:07 MinceR; samsung knows that's it gonna take: 1. make fun of some misfeature in the hypePhone 2. wait a little 3. copy that same misfeature into a galaxy phone 4. ??? 5. profit!
03:08 matey; but when i had to get a new phone eventually, that went by the wayside
03:09 matey; samsung: 1. make phone smaller 2. forget to scale battery down to fit 3. squeeze it in like packing a suitcase full of 2 kardashian wardrobes 4. put customers on no-fly list
03:09 matey; brilliant engineering. those people should work at apple.
03:10 MinceR; wasn't that more of a case of deciding to add a stylus to the Note version but refusing to make room for it?
03:10 matey; honestly do not know
03:10 matey; all i can tell you is, i know which priority matters more to my design sensibilities
03:10 matey; 1. doesnt burst into a flames? check. 2. room for stylus? oh well, fuck it
03:11 MinceR; :>
03:11 MinceR; it could have been a bit bigger than the S (which is expected of a Note), or it could have had less battery
03:11 matey; to be fair, the engineer did go to school
03:12 matey; the "why you should never cram batteries into ill-fitting enclosures" lecture was on a day they missed
03:13 matey; or it could have had less battery <- but that would piss off the customers, so lets just take our chances
03:14 matey; im waiting for someone to put the battery in the cpu
03:14 matey; they used to (shit you not) put the clock battery IN THE CLOCK (not usually, i saw this on a repair video of an old x86)
03:15 matey; it was a combination clock chip / battery. genius!
03:16 matey; less solder points to the board, maybe. who knows
03:16 matey; i always think these things happen when someone loses a bet
03:16 matey; "hold my beer"
03:17 MinceR; yeah
03:19 matey; poettering: "i bet you cant do worse than this!"
03:19 matey; samsung: "hold my beer"
03:20 MinceR; well, they do use kdbus and systemd in tizen, iirc
03:20 matey; ugh
03:20 MinceR; though i'm not sure if they're still trying to sell tizen phones
03:20 matey; my only (academic, hypothetical) interest in tizen was "maybe no systemd)
03:20 matey; if they're still trying to sell tizen phones <- obviously not, unless ibm buys them first
03:22 matey; didnt facebook have some server design a while back?
03:22 MinceR; _()_/
03:22 matey; if anybody wants something worse than applie silicon...
03:22 matey; maybe facebook will make a cpu too :)
03:22 MinceR; or MICROS~1
03:23 matey; of course it will constantly upload the contents of the cpu registers to their servers
03:23 matey; for advertising of course
03:24 AdmFubar; https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/clearview-is-laundering-its-reputation-by-offering-its-ai-to-ukraines-government/
03:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/clearview-is-laundering-its-reputation-by-offering-its-ai-to-ukraines-government/
03:24 TR Bot; Is Laundering Its Reputation By Offering Its AI To Ukraines Government | Techdirt
03:25 matey; clearview-is-laundering-its-reputation-by-offering-its-ai-to-ukraines-government <- buncha fucking humanitarians
03:25 matey; like when halliburton went to build shit in iraq
03:25 AdmFubar; https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/apple-cripples-its-own-streaming-app-in-stand-off-with-google/
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03:25 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/apple-cripples-its-own-streaming-app-in-stand-off-with-google/
03:25 TR Bot; Cripples Its Own Streaming App In Stand Off With Google | Techdirt
03:26 AdmFubar; https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/alaska-state-senator-introduces-bill-to-ban-fact-checking-and-content-moderation-for-freedom/
03:26 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/alaska-state-senator-introduces-bill-to-ban-fact-checking-and-content-moderation-for-freedom/
03:26 TR Bot; State Senator Introduces Bill To Ban Fact Checking And Content Moderation. For Freedom | Techdirt
03:26 matey; /me would like to see a REAL standoff with apple and google
03:26 matey; that would be epic
03:27 matey; samsung has their own military, so theres little doubt who the victor would be
03:27 matey; google can lease the pentagon, but it doesnt REALLY belong to them
03:27 MinceR; the real news: crApple Somehow Managed to Find Something to Cripple In Its Own Product
03:28 matey; they had a reverse bug bounty
03:28 matey; "help us find something that works!"
03:28 MinceR; gulag and crApple have both made at least one pact with the federal state
03:28 MinceR; they're both in PRISM, for example
03:28 matey; of course
03:29 MinceR; and i doubt samsung wants south korea to go to war with the USA
03:30 matey; no but this was purely hypothetical and for fun
03:30 matey; i like that you considered the serious ramifications of it
03:30 MinceR; :>
03:30 matey; i was thinking something along the lines of a comic strip
03:33 matey; i did try setting up a gemini server in openbsd by the way
03:33 matey; using vger
03:33 matey; ive checked and rechecked the configuration
03:33 matey; im sure i did it all right, only thing is, it doesnt work
03:33 activelow; MinceR> probably the last GNU/Linux distro with stable releases and no systemd left is Slackware <- you forgot Gentoo
03:34 psydruid; Void and Adlie?
03:34 MinceR; Gentoo never had releases
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03:34 MinceR; Void is rolling as well
03:34 matey; this is a native server that hooks into whatever majoogly inet business instead of reinventing the wheel
03:34 activelow; and the last distro which removes all of it (dbus): it is mine, which i named BaphometOS
03:34 MinceR; Funtoo was experimenting with some release-like thing but it didn't seem to do much
03:35 matey; BaphometOS <- if someone forks it they can call it horny linux
03:35 matey; and have a toad as the mascot
03:36 MinceR; i don't know adelie
03:36 matey; /me thinks it would be epic if you could download BaphometOS, with the build scripts and source
03:36 activelow; i am thinking to tailor this for raspberry, for broader audience
03:37 matey; youre really going to put it online?
03:37 matey; that would be a coup
03:37 MinceR; would it?
03:37 activelow; not really, because coordination of development efforts is a nightmare
03:37 activelow; given, i downgraded to gcc-4.7 for the sake of c++ remove from base-system
03:37 matey; mincer: from someone who says routinely that linux has no future
03:37 activelow; guess, how much mainline support anywhere was remaining? with Kernel, GCC...
03:37 matey; a distro that showed everything wrong with it would be a coup. yes
03:38 MinceR; it's not a fork of the krenel, is it?
03:38 MinceR; s/kre/ker/
03:38 matey; i mean a coup in terms of a stunt
03:38 activelow; the kernel required treatment too
03:38 MinceR; it's not violent enough to be a coup
03:38 matey; linux would still have no future, it wouldnt fix that
03:38 matey; i dont think activelow believes linux has a future either
03:38 matey; this isnt a fix, its a demo
03:38 activelow; and the plan is, to fully replace GCC with TinyCC, which is alot of efforts remaining
03:39 activelow; matey: both GCC and Linux arrived at where i am not willing to git-pull anymore
03:40 matey; MinceR: i see this as an enormous middle finger to the industry, even if only as an art project
03:40 matey; but it would make a list of interesting points about the direction of gnu/linux
03:40 activelow; currently, i consider the incentive for a full release with coordinated development efforts too low, if GCC can't be fully removed
03:41 activelow; and TinyCC is a huge task
03:41 activelow; another issue is: hardware support
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03:41 matey; i consider the incentive for a full release with coordinated development efforts <- i think it would be epic just to put the sources and build scripts up, with or without an iso
03:41 matey; or img
03:42 matey; but if you put it online, what would you use for a repo?
03:42 activelow; git, and i follow gentoo development practices as best as i can, although it is simply too many patches to fully meet QA of theirs
03:43 matey; git what though? lots of gits online
03:43 matey; im sure youre not going to self host it
03:43 matey; too expensive
03:43 matey; lots of gits online <- understatement of the year
03:43 activelow; i'll not push anywhere; i had asked @gentoo for some little git-space and an overlay
03:43 matey; i had asked @gentoo for some little git-space and an overlay <- cool
03:45 activelow; anyway, i am using and refining this for 3years already, recently having removed c++
03:46 activelow; a moment ago patched some bugs in nilfs2 userspace utilities, tomorrow i need to review some linking issue
03:46 activelow; since, gcc/ld since recently added some stuff, which i am not sure where it came from
03:46 activelow; ^ another reason, to depart, given what i had seen
03:46 matey; yeah, even the filename / function name looked like a perl one liner :)
03:47 activelow; linker decides to add stuff, which isn't used, and which i didn't ask for, yet it's there
03:47 matey; systemd-compilerd
03:49 activelow; far worse: systemd can be removed, gcc can't be
03:50 matey; there was a time when no one thought it was a problem that gcc wasnt optional
03:50 matey; then c++ wasnt optional for compiling c, and i do think thats a bit like the systemd-ification of gcc
03:51 matey; im not sure, but it seems a bit wrong for c++ to be needed to compile c
03:51 matey; the thing is, systemd wasnt an entirely new idea
03:52 AdmFubar; :)) https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/sec-elon-musk-tweets
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03:52 TR Bot; Musk tweets should still be pre-approved, SEC argues - Protocol
03:52 matey; it was an old idea, a bad idea, and it worked as predicted
03:52 matey; this is an anti-pattern. seeing it take over the core of all free software is bad.
03:53 matey; maybe in 10 years techrights will talk about the problems with gcc
03:53 matey; i dont blame roy for not getting excited about it just yet, im still not sure whether its worth a panic
03:53 matey; but it does seem like a dubious direction for gcc (on top of all the other problems with gcc these days)
03:54 matey; in 10 years, but probably sooner, gnu and gcc will start to look more and more like linux and systemd
03:55 matey; like something thats too late to fix
03:55 matey; as with linux, there arent enough developers that give a shit about these problems-- so the fact that its TECHNICALLY fixable isnt very relevant
03:55 matey; it wont get fixed
03:56 matey; but id be thrilled to be wrong
03:56 matey; linux wont be forked, little of gnu will be salvaged
03:56 activelow; TinyCC is GPLed
03:56 matey; everything drifts towards microsoft and ibm, not away
03:57 matey; TinyCC is GPLed <- gpl doesnt bother me
03:57 activelow; yet, GPL does not protect against malice
03:57 matey; GPL does not protect against malice <- gpl is the wrong tool to protect against everything that can possibly happen to free software
03:57 matey; it can only cover some things
03:57 matey; its like a firewall
03:58 matey; anyone that thinks you can just buy a firewall and never worry about security again is very silly
03:58 matey; the gpl is no different, it can only do so much
03:58 matey; no matter how many upgrades it gets, the only way you have freedom is with eternal vigilance
03:58 matey; this doesnt mean the gpl is useless, just limited
03:59 matey; like any other single solution is limited
03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.63 k/sec., IPFS upstream 11.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 292.93
04:06 matey; its a shame that rms never cared about unix philosophy
04:06 matey; gnu would have fared better for longer
04:06 matey; it honestly would have-- it would be easier to salvage now
04:07 activelow; which was the last GCC compiler version RMS was actively involved with? gcc 2.7? if, then this was different software quality than what it mutated into.
04:07 matey; rms stopped coding a very long time ago
04:08 matey; he became just a project manager
04:08 matey; also gcc was built on the idea that even if the quality was... [insert whatever word fits here] you had the freedom to improve it
04:08 matey; which got it this far, at least
04:10 matey; unpopular opinion: most of the gnu developers arent that useful to the continuation of gnu
04:10 matey; im trying REALLY hard to be fair here.
04:10 matey; 100% fair
04:10 matey; there must be a few good ones.
04:11 matey; historically i dont think theres a more important operating system, unless you count unix
04:11 matey; and i think gnu is at least better than HISTORICAL unix
04:11 matey; (so is bsd)
04:11 CrystalMath; matey: i did not care about systemd censorship??
04:11 CrystalMath; i was one of the first few people on #debianfork
04:12 matey; CrystalMath: to be fair, technically thats untrue perhaps
04:12 matey; its more of a barbed comment than a truth
04:12 CrystalMath; i care about all censorship
04:12 matey; i was one of the first few people on #debianfor <- i was unaware of that
04:12 matey; i only had your most recent comments on the subject to go on
04:13 matey; probably wouldnt have made that comment if i knew you were an early initfreedom fighter
04:13 matey; fair enough
04:13 CrystalMath; i think the best challenge is when you have to face like, cases where not censoring causes you pain
04:13 CrystalMath; that really shows whether you're truly for freedom of speech or not
04:13 matey; thats a fair argument
04:13 matey; it could lead to some silly examples but
04:14 matey; as a principle, yes, i think theres truth to it
04:14 CrystalMath; i had a situation where i myself had the power to censor people who were saying awful things to a person i like
04:14 matey; when lives are at stake, i DO focus on uncensoring truth more than i focus on uncensoring weaponised bullshit
04:15 CrystalMath; and, while i did try some gymnastics in my head to find a way to justify it, ultimately i didn't
04:15 matey; this might even be a reasonable exception to your principle
04:15 CrystalMath; so i passed the test
04:15 CrystalMath; MinceR did not
04:15 matey; i mean, ultiately, we shouldnt censor bullshit either
04:15 matey; well i think youre being unfair to mincer
04:15 matey; hes closer to neutral and really, on the same side of the debate as you
04:16 matey; but you talk like hes on the other side, and he isnt
04:16 matey; mostly it shows how far you are on one side
04:16 matey; at least its the side i think is the right side
04:17 CrystalMath; well, yes, i'm quite a free speech extremist
04:17 matey; and that doesnt bother me too much
04:17 matey; its really a matter of whether im going to go that far personally
04:17 matey; i dont prioritise uncensoring weaponised bullshit over truth, just because im less comfortable with bullshit
04:18 matey; technically, you seem to be making that argument.
04:18 matey; but we at least agree that censoring things for being bullshit is a dangerous idea
04:18 matey; one we shouldnt base the internet on, for example
04:18 CrystalMath; if you think western media is telling the truth, you're extremely wrong
04:18 matey; that imo puts us on the same side of the debate
04:19 CrystalMath; there is also the fact that on the topic of russia-ukraine, i know people who are independent journalists who actually went over there
04:19 matey; if you think western media is telling the truth, you're extremely wrong <- im not saying we should uncensor the west and not give a shit about the rest
04:19 CrystalMath; who are there even now
04:19 CrystalMath; i trust what they say, and it definitely matches up more what you'd find on RT than what you'd find on CNN
04:19 CrystalMath; not that it matches anything perfectly
04:22 matey; weve there is also the fact that on the topic of russia-ukraine, i know people who are independent journalists who actually went over there <- i have something to say about that
04:23 matey; what you do with the independent journalism you have access to, is make moral judgements the rest of us consider limited and one-sided and then preach to us as though your morals are superior
04:23 matey; which youre free to do obviously
04:23 matey; but if you want to help those journalists, really
04:24 matey; the best thing you could do is tell us what theyre reporting
04:24 matey; then we will make our own decisions
04:24 matey; id be interested in what they have to say.
04:24 matey; im less interested in your conclusions based on what they say, though sometimes i read those as well
04:25 CrystalMath; well that would be rather long, it's not the topic of techrights
04:25 matey; if you put it in #techpol for example
04:25 CrystalMath; i'm just saying i have reasons to trust RT more than CNN
04:25 matey; it will be logged, and you can point to it
04:25 matey; and other people in there (where applicable) can comment
04:25 matey; i'm just saying i have reasons to trust RT more than CNN <- i think its been a year or two since i bothered looking at cnn
04:25 matey; but i know its just an example
04:26 matey; and then before that, it was probably another year or two
04:26 matey; gives you an idea how often i pay attention to cnn
04:26 matey; and furthermore, i dont think most of the people in here rely on a single source, or single view anywya
04:27 matey; so theyre already looking for other reports
04:27 matey; just not being preached at in terms of politics (which again, youre free to do-- whether its completely ineffective or not)
04:27 CrystalMath; yes, well, MinceR always did that, for example with freenode and Andrew Lee
04:28 CrystalMath; but not when it hurts him
04:28 matey; again, i think your expectations of mincer are a bit much
04:28 matey; i recommend giving the longer version at #techpolg
04:28 matey; minus the g
04:29 matey; you can actually refer to sections of the chat by timestamp even
04:29 matey; using the mouse
04:29 matey; feel free to post links to #techpol here, no ones going to stop you
04:29 CrystalMath; techrights is like the best free media, and yet sometimes it disappoints me...
04:30 matey; of course im not telling you what to do, im only suggesting something that would allow us to benefit more from your journalist friends
04:30 CrystalMath; like when schestowitz called ivermectin "horse dewormer"
04:30 matey; techrights is like the best free media, and yet sometimes it disappoints me... <- my opinion of it is lower than yours
04:30 CrystalMath; i'm not even that optimistic about ivermectin
04:30 CrystalMath; but it's definitely a drug made for humans...
04:30 CrystalMath; only CNN made up the horse dewormer line
04:30 matey; but it's definitely a drug made for humans... <- right, made for but not dosed for, but you know that
04:31 matey; not dosed for <- in terms of available supply that is
04:31 matey; they dose it for humans too
04:31 matey; and i remember that when you talked about it
04:31 matey; you acknowledged that the research linking it to possible treatment was very hypothetical
04:31 matey; at least i seem to think so
04:32 CrystalMath; it's definitely far from the magic some make it out to be
04:33 CrystalMath; but i take back what i said about it being possibly dangerous
04:33 CrystalMath; ivermectin is very safe, and will help against parasites
04:34 CrystalMath; there are hypothetical mechanism about how it could be harmful, but it seems that in practice, experiments have shown a high degree of safety
04:36 matey; on medical matters, youd do better to link to research papers than journalism
04:36 matey; of course if it doesnt matter, you can just say whatever
04:36 matey; but for something where people are dying due to self-dosing and getting banned from twitter for mentioning it
04:37 matey; research papers are better than journalism
04:37 CrystalMath; i possibly linked to a pubmed about it being safe, somewhere
04:38 CrystalMath; i certainly read it
04:38 matey; thats the sort of link youd want to post here, as long youre commenting on it
04:39 matey; strictly optional-- just helps support what youre saying
04:41 AdmFubar; they get banned from mentioning that they died?
04:41 AdmFubar; O_o
04:41 matey; ha
04:41 matey; banned for mentioning ivermectin
04:42 matey; but yes, the people who mentioned it were in fact the same ones who died
04:42 matey; obviously jack dorsey doesnt want that sort of thing to get out
04:42 matey; that the internet can communicate with the afterlife is top secret shit
04:44 matey; the twitter tos actually forbids the non-living to use twitter to communicate with the living
04:44 matey; but only the version of twitter in the afterlife shows that clause
04:45 matey; what would be interesting is if the veil worked both ways
04:45 matey; and the dead had no idea that there are living people
04:45 matey; except for some who hold seances, and all the dead think its just hooey
04:46 matey; "pfft, theres no before-death, thats just a fairy tale"
04:46 matey; "i believe that before death, you simply dont exist, and thats it"
04:49 AdmFubar; http://pi.wecraftalot.com/
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04:49 TR Bot; My Raspberry Pi
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05:06 matey; Ariadne alpine is based on something other than gnu libc right?
05:06 matey; any idea if alpine can be compiled with tinycc?
05:06 matey; not important, so if you dont know off the top of your head, dont worry about it-- but you might
05:07 matey; either way it still uses linux, and linux cant compile with tinycc, so
05:07 matey; /me shrugs but the rest of it perhaps
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05:30 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, March 23, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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05:31 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
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05:34 TR News; Apple 'invented' pencils? https://www.maketecheasier.com/fix-apple-pencil-not-working/
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05:34 TR Bot; 9 Best Fixes for Apple Pencil Not Working Properly - Make Tech Easier
05:34 TR News; 270: System76 Interview with Emma Marshall - Destination Linux https://destinationlinux.org/episode-270/
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05:34 TR Bot; 270: System76 Interview with Emma Marshall - Destination Linux
05:36 TR News; "A significant follow-up to one of the biggest Linux stories, the Pandora's box the MIT Technology Review claims open-source devs just opened, and Linux on the M1 finally ships." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148007/linux-action-news-233/
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05:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: jupiterbroadcasting.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148007/linux-action-news-233/
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05:36 TR Bot; Linux Action News 233 | Jupiter Broadcasting
05:37 TR News; Gammath SPOT version 2.6 (beta) released on 23 March 2022 https://pypi.org/project/gammath-spot/2.6/
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05:37 TR Bot; gammath-spot PyPI
05:41 TR News; Audiocasts/Shows: TLLTS, Linux Action News, Destination Linux, FLOSS Weekly, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162925
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05:41 TR Bot; Audiocasts/Shows: TLLTS, Linux Action News, Destination Linux, FLOSS Weekly, and More | Tux Machines
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05:45 TR News; "I have been fortunate that for the last two years I've been working from home, with maybe a once a quarter trip to the mother ship, I mean office. Web work has its advantages." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/857
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05:46 schestowitz; (cat)
05:46 schestowitz; gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D181.jpg
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05:46 schestowitz; (cat) gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D539.jpg
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05:48 matey; the rms talk is going to be generic and feature nothing groundbreaking
05:49 matey; probability: 95%
05:49 matey; theres always a chance it wont be
05:50 matey; for bonus points, it might actually dismiss the importance of something important
05:51 matey; but only half a point if someone else manages to bring it up. then of course it will be dismissed
05:52 matey; the fsf is practically set in stone now-- THAT is the state of free software
05:55 TR News; Better to just use WINE https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/how-to-win11-in-gnome-boxes.html
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05:55 TR Bot; How to run Windows 11 in GNOME Boxes (with UEFI and TPM2 emulation)
05:55 matey; there are two things im willing to hype: people doing something new and promising, and people making damned good efforts to preserve something the way it is
05:56 matey; constant compromise can hype itself (and typically does)
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05:59 schestowitz-TR; there may be q and a
05:59 schestowitz-TR; those can be more interesting
05:59 schestowitz-TR; as the questions are not predictable
05:59 schestowitz-TR; and new suibjects get brought up
06:00 matey; i think they have a pretty good script ready for q and a
06:00 matey; q and a is like how a ninja can outjump a bullet
06:00 matey; theyre not faster than a bullet, they just know one important thing
06:01 matey; the bullet goes where the gun is pointed-- you only have to be faster than the gunmans hand (which is still faster than most people)
06:01 matey; similarly, there are only so many things the fsf is NOT doing that people are likely to stump them with
06:01 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162926
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06:01 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
06:01 matey; you prepare for those questions, and there wont be anything out of left field really
06:01 matey; i think this is basic media training
06:02 matey; i have good reason to be cynical, ive been watching for years
06:02 TR News; This is a malware issue, it's shipped by Microsoft, but SJVN carries on misattributing the issue https://www.zdnet.com/article/some-developers-are-fouling-up-open-source-software/ see http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/microsoft-infosec-propaganda/
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06:02 TR Bot; developers are fouling up open-source software | ZDNet
06:02 TR Bot; Media Blames Free Software When Microsoft Distributes Malware and Gets Cracked | Techrights
06:02 matey; if nothing else, ask mincer
06:02 matey; he has a good idea of what the fsf is going to do
06:02 matey; but the silver lining is we could both be wrong
06:03 TR News; "The nds32 architecture ends its tenure in the Linux kernel." https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAK8P3a0DeZ4Gx6fOqLkjmA7kNYW5ZHq8BUpWTXXdqdtxcHRNLg@mail.gmail.com/
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06:03 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] asm-generic updates for 5.18 - Arnd Bergmann
06:03 matey; i think the fsf is like lucy holding a football for charlie brown
06:03 matey; he knows shes going to pull the ball up and hes going to kick nothing and fall on his arse
06:04 matey; he even says this and she swears it wont happen
06:04 TR News; C isn't a programming language anymore - #ElReg https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/23/c_not_a_language/
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06:04 TR Bot; C isn't a programming language anymore The Register
06:04 matey; every time, it gets more and more cynical. sometimes, lucy tries that much harder to convince him, and he runs and kicks---
06:04 matey; and she does it again
06:04 matey; its not the fsf, its a hype machine where the fsf used to be
06:05 matey; leah is more optimistic, about zoe
06:05 matey; i dont share the optimism, but i think if anyone is likely to prove me wrong, its going to be someone leah thinks has potential
06:06 matey; we will find out in april, obviously
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06:20 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162927
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06:20 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
06:20 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162928
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06:20 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
06:39 kingoffrance; its kind of an idiotic article Rust and Swift cannot simply speak their native and comfortable tongues
06:39 kingoffrance; so unless your cpu has native rust and swift instructions, you dont have real hardware
06:39 kingoffrance; people who dont understand conway's law, sky is blue
06:39 kingoffrance; people who think they are immune, just another lee again lol
06:40 kingoffrance; one can wonder when they create this specialized modern rust and swift hardware, where that will leave other languages
06:40 kingoffrance; they will do the same exact thing they are whining about to everyone else
06:41 matey; people who dont understand conway's law <- hey, you said that about me
06:41 kingoffrance; a bunch of companies called the Aspen Group settled on a programming model for 64-bit Unix and Unix-like OSes called LP64, also known as "4/8/8". Unfortunately, 64-bit Microsoft Windows uses a different model, called LLP64 or "4/4/8"
06:41 kingoffrance; c is neutral on this
06:41 kingoffrance; their complaint is that C is not "hardcoded for a pdp-11"
06:42 kingoffrance; they want a hardcoded xyz hardware
06:42 kingoffrance; *language for xyz hardware
06:43 matey; a bunch of companies called the Aspen Group settled on a programming model for 64-bit Unix and Unix-like OSes called LP64, also known as "4/8/8". Unfortunately, 64-bit Microsoft Windows uses a different model, called LLP64 or "4/4/8" <- so what
06:43 kingoffrance; yes, they are whining c is too flexible
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06:44 kingoffrance; C didnt define an ABI there, they want something that does
06:44 kingoffrance; i.e. they want a "fast pdp-11" or whatever model they think is ideal
06:45 matey; who is they
06:45 matey; aspen?
06:45 kingoffrance; "Rust and Swift cannot simply speak their native and comfortable tongues" good question
06:45 kingoffrance; this is a non-sequitor
06:45 kingoffrance; the peanut gallery it looks like
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06:46 kingoffrance; strawman argumetn, from strawmen people
06:46 kingoffrance; conway's law lol
06:49 kingoffrance; (linked) "The only way to fix this in reality is defining your own C library implementation that had aggressive symbol versioning support from the implementation and an investment in forward compatibility. " they are whining that noone put in the work
06:50 kingoffrance; i.e. they dont like implementations, not the "language". it is word games -- they are unable to separaet implementations from standards
06:50 kingoffrance; when you dont have standards, then implementations are "languages"
06:50 matey; yes
06:51 matey; do you suppose that "and an investment in forward compatibility" really means "and a divestment in backwards compatibility"
06:51 matey; ie "an investment in breaking shit to please its industry masters?"
06:52 matey; asking for a friend
06:52 kingoffrance; i dont know, but it is specious mentality whatever points they have
06:52 matey; i mean thats what it usually means
06:52 kingoffrance; iti s legal versus lawful, "identity politics" -- unable to discern idea/thought/spirit from idolatry/manifestation
06:52 kingoffrance; whatever they want, will be a disaster
06:52 matey; not sure its unable-- more like unwilling
06:52 kingoffrance; :)
06:52 matey; maybe they want a disaster?
06:53 matey; the stereotypical (but thankfully not very typical
06:53 matey; ) fireman who sets fires to put them out and play the hero
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06:53 matey; uncommon in actual firefighters, but common as fuck in the computer industry
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06:57 matey; some of these lips with collagen injections...
06:57 kingoffrance; the link actually says the opposite of the claims: We would like to blame ABI but the fault is our own at this point:
06:58 matey; you could get the same effect in 30 seconds without an appointment using a vacuum pump
06:58 matey; i cant imagine its any less stupid an idea
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07:01 kingoffrance; Upgrading it means dealing with this schism between what the user expects (intmax_t that got upgraded and can print __int128_t/__int256_t) with old, non-recompiled code that maintains the old invariant (long long, a 64-bit number). the complaint is code does not magically recompile itself
07:01 kingoffrance; which is fine were this jvm or something
07:02 kingoffrance; so, build a c virtual machine, problem solved
07:02 matey; im trying to understand what the issue is here
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07:02 matey; that couldnt be solved by adding a single pass with an ifdef
07:03 kingoffrance; whining that cavemen do not have nuclear reactors
07:03 kingoffrance; idiots
07:03 matey; wily idiots, it sounds like
07:04 matey; like a cross between lundukes trolling and rick bermans scriptwriting
07:04 kingoffrance; it doesnt matter, but if they want to "transition" where is the "transition" plan
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07:04 matey; they want to transition to a nonplan
07:04 matey; then put themselves in charge of the cleanup
07:04 kingoffrance; yes, it looks more like just wanting to burn things down and start over
07:04 matey; not unlike what happened to the fsf (well, it did)
07:04 matey; it looks more like just wanting to burn things down and start over <- of course
07:05 matey; they neednt even be industry types-- they could just be roman soldiers
07:05 matey; same overall idea
07:06 kingoffrance; i dont even disagree with them so much as : you have heard these same whines for 30+ years, when all they need to do is sit down and write their dream os and kernel and applications
07:06 kingoffrance; the solution is hard work, which they are afraid of and allergic to apparently
07:07 kingoffrance; its one of those "only works if they can convince everyone to drop what they are doing and 180"
07:07 kingoffrance; i.e. they have no plan
07:08 matey; only works if they can convince everyone to drop what they are doing and 180 <- happens all too often
07:16 mjg59_; It's not really a complaint that C has poorly defined ABI, it's pointing out that C is the de-facto ABI for operating systems and having it be poorly defined makes it difficult to interoperate
07:17 mjg59_; Which is a historical accident rather than a deliberate design decision
07:17 mjg59_; gcc, clang and icc all fail to interoperate in subtle ways because the ABI that they target isn't sufficiently well defined
07:19 kingoffrance; yes, agree mjg59_ .
07:19 kingoffrance; one thing to note, linked: I hear that everything on Linux is just a file, so lets open a file on Linux!
07:19 kingoffrance; this was never true
07:19 kingoffrance; for one, not all things can be nfs-exported, breaking the abstraction
07:19 matey; unix was everything is a file
07:19 kingoffrance; yes, but hold on
07:20 matey; and even then that was an original goal, not a law
07:20 matey; linux is... incredibly, not unix
07:20 kingoffrance; fopen() manpage (netbsd) b is strictly for compatibility with c89 and has no effect
07:20 mjg59_; So it's fair to say that C is more than a programming language - it's ended up as a not super well defined OS ABI as well
07:20 kingoffrance; there was never any "file" there was always "opened in binary mode" "opened in some mainframe record-oriented other mode"
07:20 kingoffrance; noone ever agreed on what a "file" was
07:20 mjg59_; It'd be much easier to interoperate if C had well-defined interface definitions
07:21 kingoffrance; they just said "pretend user passed b as default, call it a day"
07:21 matey; "a file" as defined by the os
07:21 kingoffrance; yes
07:21 kingoffrance; no CORBA IDL "file" was used there either
07:21 matey; but it still referred to a certain consistency, even if it was an exaggeration
07:21 kingoffrance; not for unix, but did anyone else?
07:21 kingoffrance; sure
07:21 kingoffrance; just pointing out people deliberately buried the issue
07:21 matey; they meant that it all had the same interface as files did
07:22 matey; which wasnt true but it was close
07:22 kingoffrance; because tehy didnt want to deal with hardware-specific disk formats or what not
07:22 kingoffrance; "records"
07:22 kingoffrance; mainframe OS you will probably see that
07:23 kingoffrance; C did the "right thing" arguably, i.e. support either
07:23 kingoffrance; or did the "neutral" thing anyway
07:23 kingoffrance; but implementations preferred simplicity it seems
07:24 kingoffrance; this really gets into the heart of what is text or binary . modern parlance is there is no plaintext
07:24 kingoffrance; point: c was pre utf and unicode
07:24 kingoffrance; old parlance: control characters in ascii. specific to a terminal perhaps
07:24 kingoffrance; point: noone ever agreed on that either, was swept under the rug
07:25 matey; fix python before fucking up unicode in c, please
07:25 kingoffrance; had they kept that, then each input device would have its own "character set"
07:25 kingoffrance; and perhaps each "screen" too
07:25 kingoffrance; :)
07:25 matey; unicode is a subset of binary
07:25 matey; or several subsets
07:26 matey; and its impossible to pick one
07:26 matey; and they dont work together
07:26 kingoffrance; code is data, data is code :)
07:26 mjg59_; I think it's reasonable to ask "Should it be easy to call C libraries from other languages"
07:26 matey; unicode is noise that is sometimes also data
07:26 TR News; "It has been possible to use wildcards in the sudoers file for many years. This can make configuration easier and more flexible, but it also introduces problems of its own" https://peter.czanik.hu/other/sudo-1910-regular-expressions/
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07:26 TR Bot; Sudo 1.9.10: using regular expressions in the sudoers file | Random thoughts of Peter 'CzP' Czanik
07:26 kingoffrance; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0vnRZN5GB0 go with the wizard book :)
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07:26 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=e0vnRZN5GB0
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07:26 TR Bot; yewtu.be | SICP Cover Demystified - Conor Hoekstra - CppCon 2020 - Invidious
07:26 TR News; "When you upgrade an existing FreeBSD installation to 13.1, the new OpenZFS features are not yet available to existing pools" https://klarasystems.com/articles/should-i-upgrade-to-openzfs-2-1/
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07:26 TR Bot; Should I Upgrade to OpenZFS 2.1? | Klara Inc.
07:27 matey; i love unicode, its like a parallel universe where everyone settled on usb as a standard-- even apple
07:27 matey; and absolutely every peripheral uses usb with no exceptions
07:28 mjg59_; So, the setuid() syscall on Linux? It only applies to the current thread.
07:28 matey; except usb doesnt have rectangular connectors-- it has alligator clips instead
07:28 matey; fucking hell
07:28 mjg59_; POSIX says it should apply to the process, so glibc has magic code that applies it to all threads
07:29 mjg59_; So if you want setuid() to work right on Linux, you need to call into the C library rather than doing the syscall yourself
07:29 mjg59_; Or, alternatively, re-implement all of that complexity
07:29 mjg59_; This is fine by POSIX because POSIX defines library calls, not syscalls
07:29 matey; serious question: why is c blamed for this instead of linux?
07:29 kingoffrance; yeah, some of it is deliberately salacious characterization of arguments it seems too, but does not help. "I think it's reasonable to ask "Should it be easy to call C libraries from other languages"" <-- agree
07:29 matey; oh i see, its posixes fault (that much i believe)
07:29 mjg59_; matey: C's not being blamed for this, C just makes it harder to deal with
07:30 TR News; "It followed on from their 2020 FAST "Best Paper" that I discussed in Enterprise SSD Reliability, and it prompted me to review the literature of this area." https://blog.dshr.org/2022/03/storage-update-part-2.html
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07:30 TR Bot; DSHR's Blog: Storage Update: Part 2
07:30 matey; seems like this can all be fixed by linux abandoning posix which its doing anyway, afaik
07:30 kingoffrance; well the headlines blame c, the real arguments are better yes
07:30 TR News; "Let's see. You have physical access to a bunch of servers that are not yours. You do something to your workstation. The next thing you know, you can't reach some of those servers from that workstation." https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2022/03/22/hopeless/
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07:30 TR Bot; Some people don't deserve access to the machine room
07:31 kingoffrance; ultimately you are getting into object formats e.g. elf
07:31 kingoffrance; which "languages" should an object format support?
07:32 kingoffrance; or should it be "neutral" and let "languages" use the features how they may
07:32 mjg59_; I don't think that's a problem
07:32 TR News; "It is easy to add autocompletion to commands in ksh, however they are limited because they have to be evaluated when the shell is starting." https://webzine.puffy.cafe/issue-8.html#tips
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07:32 kingoffrance; well i mean, does c mandate any particular object format?
07:32 TR Bot; OpenBSD Webzine #8
07:32 mjg59_; I don't think there's anything about ELF that strongly embodies language constructs
07:32 mjg59_; kingoffrance: Nope
07:32 mjg59_; But operating systems do tend to enforce that to some extent
07:33 kingoffrance; yeah, at that point: which languages does an os support "natively"
07:34 mjg59_; But if I want to call into glibc so setuid() works properly I need to parse a bunch of includes with the C preprocessor to figure out how to call that properly
07:35 kingoffrance; yeah, agree (from what ive heard)
07:35 mjg59_; So my non-C language needs to know something about C in order to be able to interact with the OS correctly
07:35 TR News; Finnix 124 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162929
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07:35 TR Bot; Finnix 124 released | Tux Machines
07:35 kingoffrance; well even for C its an issue
07:35 matey; pypy uses a simplified python to reimplement python in
07:35 TR News; "This new browser window isolates the sign in process so that the website using OAuth never sees users sign in credentials" https://hothardware.com/news/bitb-phishing-technique-creates-animated-window-steal-passwords
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07:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: hothardware.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hothardware.com/news/bitb-phishing-technique-creates-animated-window-steal-passwords
07:35 TR Bot; Phishing Technique Creates An Animated Window To Steal Your Passwords | HotHardware
07:35 matey; coudlnt they just do someting with c like that?
07:36 matey; then you would have consistency under the usual interfact
07:36 matey; interface
07:36 kingoffrance; typedef struct foo { int a[LENGTH]; } effectively there are endless "versions" of that, depending on how "LENGTH" is defined, so i need a preprocessor to even "see" what it actually boils down to
07:37 TR News; "I recently came across a blog post dealing briefly with the concept of strings, tables and subscripting in COBOL." https://www.datagubbe.se/cobtab/
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07:37 TR Bot; and Strings in COBOL | datagubbe.se
07:37 kingoffrance; it is like foo_8 foo_16 foo_57 but the (lack of) namespace means you would have to manually distingish one "struct foo" from another
07:37 TR News; "Changing the boilerplate sucks though. If I make any tweaks to the initial version of the code, I have to manually change every single file to keep them all in sync" https://buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/i-finally-found-a-use-for-xml/
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07:37 TR Bot; I finally found a use for XML Buttondown
07:38 TR News; "Im still on Perl 5. I had fun exploring Raku, but Perl 5 still does everything I want, and uses that familiar syntax" https://rubenerd.com/versions-of-perl-i-use/
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07:38 TR Bot; Version of Perl I use, via @pinkopanterata
07:39 TR News; "Data science is vastly different than programming. We use only four languages R, Python, Julia, and SQL" https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/03/how-to-use-r-and-python-together-try-these-2-packages/
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07:39 Alternative link; Cloudflare: r-bloggers.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/03/how-to-use-r-and-python-together-try-these-2-packages/
07:39 TR Bot; to Use R and Python Together? Try These 2 Packages | R-bloggers
07:40 matey; i pity the foo
07:40 kingoffrance; well, for that example just an IDL would seemingly be a step. so, not impossible, just means defining the language-independent version first, then making sure your C code (or whatever other language) adhers to it
07:40 kingoffrance; or, auto-generating C headers from <IDL, other lang, whatever>
07:41 TR News; "Thats when you realize your mistake: bash, and shell scripting languages in general, are mostly broken by default. Unless you are very careful from day one, any shell script above a certain complexity level is almost guaranteed to be buggy" https://pythonspeed.com/articles/shell-scripts/
=> ↺ https://pythonspeed.com/articles/shell-scripts/
07:41 TR Bot; Please stop writing shell scripts
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07:43 mjg59_; If we were starting from scratch we'd probably end up with a meaningful way to define interfaces that didn't depend on a language-specific spec
07:43 kingoffrance; yep, agree
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07:44 mjg59_; But we're not, so realistically everything needs to depend on C to some extent even though C is not an "official" ABI
07:44 matey; it would be hard for it to be language specific if you really started from scratch
07:44 matey; but how would you determine that it was useful to anything then?
07:45 matey; other than by interfacing various languages with it?
07:46 matey; or is the goal to just throw out everything and have a new spec?
07:46 matey; and then rewrite anything we still give a shit about
07:48 psydruid; have there been any attempts to write a new language-independent spec?
07:49 kingoffrance; i dont think it is even that dire, but it is like y2k or something -- boring, laborious work, refactoring in a way
07:49 psydruid; also has there been any attempt to make a new POSIX that does away with legacy syscalls?
07:50 matey; esperantOS
07:50 kingoffrance; lol. go through all c headers ever, and pin them down to meaningful names and some IDL. quite simple and easy, just a huge laborious task
07:51 psydruid; it's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it
07:51 psydruid; we care a lot
07:51 gooseheaded; hi
07:52 gooseheaded; patrons...
07:52 psydruid; patriots
07:52 mjg59_; The problem with C headers is that they both define interfaces (in the form of prototypes), they also define macros and references to global variables and a whole bunch of stuff that only matters to the internal code, not to the interface
07:52 mjg59_; But the prototypes can also be declared in the form of the macros
07:52 mjg59_; So it's all a mess
07:53 gooseheaded; the other day... the "cops" were going to arrest me, i told them actually that I was the fucking cops from MELBOURNE, and that like I was the government, and the fucking law, etc etc etc... etc, it is TRUE...
07:53 gooseheaded; ffs
07:53 gooseheaded; and uhh
07:53 gooseheaded; they HAD THEIR HANDCUFFS OUT TO FUCKING "ARREST" ME AND THEY THEN LET ME FUCKING GO!!!
07:53 mjg59_; Anyway the point is that .h files are not a good interface definition
07:53 gooseheaded; HAHA
07:53 gooseheaded; NO SHIT!!!
07:53 gooseheaded; =}
07:54 gooseheaded; h e c t i c ...
07:54 gooseheaded; mhm
07:54 mjg59_; But pretty much anything that else that people have invented has been worse?
07:54 mjg59_; So glad I don't need to deal with CORBA these days
07:55 gooseheaded; i once fucking lived in a "NONEXISTENT" "town" where i fucking rolled ACROSS THE FUCKING ROAD, a "police" "officer" was "patrolling" the "road" etc...
07:56 gooseheaded; a FUCKING HELICOPTER WAS "LANDING" REALLY I WAS, FFS... ANYWAY... SO I WAS ALMOST BLOWN THE FUCK AWAY, AND ALONG WITH MY SUITCASE, WITH A PINEAPPLE INSIDE, FROZEN, OFC...
07:57 gooseheaded; i told the "police" "officer" that I "didn't notice" etc...
07:57 gooseheaded; ROFL!!!
07:57 gooseheaded; full fucking on. hue hue hue...
07:57 gooseheaded; ;-)
07:58 gooseheaded; hi schestowitz
07:58 gooseheaded; are you also a UPSTANDING duck?
07:58 gooseheaded; basically, a penguin???
07:58 gooseheaded; y'know..?
07:58 gooseheaded; ;-)
07:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 36.96 k/sec., IPFS upstream 104.48 average k/sec., average swarm size 458.33
07:59 gooseheaded; i am actually a goose, but disguised as a GIRAFFE, HIDING from the government, etc...
07:59 gooseheaded; ;-)
07:59 gooseheaded; y'know...
07:59 gooseheaded; brb one moment, kind patron...
08:01 kingoffrance; part of reason i am a little salty: there was 24-bit char (motorola dsp) there were 9-bit "bytes" and 36-bit computing and whatnot. all that was swept under the rug as obsolete. then java/c++/objective-c was magically going going to solve write once, run anywhere, pics or didnt happen. then post-c89 started adding uint32_t -- solidifying more, removing non 2s complement. didnt want to deal with padding bits or obscure things. fina
08:01 kingoffrance; lly, "modern" languages let you define custom integer types -- full circle. its like "diversity" was deliberately destroyed, then wake up and wonder why it is a monoculture
08:01 kingoffrance; industry did it to themselves
08:02 gooseheaded; 'industry" patient...
08:02 gooseheaded; i am actually God!!!
08:02 gooseheaded; haha
08:02 gooseheaded; absolutely...
08:02 gooseheaded; trust me, i am actually a DOCTOR!!!
08:02 gooseheaded; ;-)
08:02 gooseheaded; and God...
08:03 kingoffrance; maxint_t or whatever, is a typedef. an alias for some actual "primitive type" (char,short,int,long, long long, some ibm powerpc something even wanted long long long ).
08:03 TR News; "Interoperability is one of the original design principles underpinning the internet, and largely responsible for its scale and unique properties" https://edri.org/take-action/events/a-conversation-about-interoperability-and-building-digital-public-spaces/
08:03 TR Bot; A conversation about Interoperability and building digital public spaces - European Digital Rights (EDRi)
08:03 kingoffrance; at which point, ms "DWORD" almost makes sense
08:03 gooseheaded; fuck- the idiot, really a kind ADORABLE women was at the other end of the yarn holding the other plastic cup to her ear DRUM...
08:03 gooseheaded; fuck...
08:03 kingoffrance; again: noone agreed on a scheme there, ms did their own thing
08:04 kingoffrance; noone ever agreed how big a "word" is
08:04 kingoffrance; or a "byte"
08:04 gooseheaded; she was at the "university" etc, whatever... I AM the UNIVERSITY... etc... fuck- she asked me "what were your pronouns, i told her CAPTAIN/PROFESSOR/ETC!!!
08:04 kingoffrance; rfcs say "octet"
08:04 TR News; "After years of tantalizing hints that a passwordless future is just around the corner" https://www.wired.com/story/fido-alliance-ios-android-password-replacement/ those are NOT solutions. http://techrights.org/2020/10/15/fido-false-sense-of-security/
=> ↺ https://www.wired.com/story/fido-alliance-ios-android-password-replacement/
=> http://techrights.org/2020/10/15/fido-false-sense-of-security/
08:04 TR Bot; of the Password? FIDO Alliance Reveals Its New Plan | WIRED
08:04 TR Bot; A FIDO/FIDO2 False Sense of Security for Premium Prices | Techrights
08:04 gooseheaded; she was like- ROFLCOPTTER!!!
08:04 gooseheaded; mhm
08:04 gooseheaded; i loled...
08:04 gooseheaded; etc
08:04 gooseheaded; ;-)
08:05 kingoffrance; in that sense, they are asking for what never was
08:05 kingoffrance; some imaginary world where everyone agreed
08:06 kingoffrance; never happened
08:06 kingoffrance; chesterton's fence. why was C "neutral" so much?
08:06 schestowitz-TR; gooseheaded: are you on drugs?
08:06 gooseheaded; uhh
08:06 gooseheaded; rly???
08:07 XRevan86; click: "what does pro audio means on the pulse mixer?" <- https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/676566
=> ↺ https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/676566
08:07 gooseheaded; i am ALWAYS FUCKING SIDEWAYS!!!
08:07 TR Bot; The "Pro Audio" profile in PipeWire for audio devices / sound cards - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange
08:07 psydruid; why can't things be defined more clearly now?
08:07 gooseheaded; absolutely...
08:07 gooseheaded; mhm
08:07 gooseheaded; i walk perpendicular to the x-axis of earth...
08:07 mjg59_; psydruid: We haven't defined the words to define things more clearly
08:07 gooseheaded; so on the y-axis, fuck's sake, man...
08:08 gooseheaded; it is FULL ON!!!
08:08 mjg59_; At least, not in a way that computers can understand
08:08 gooseheaded; ;-)
08:08 gooseheaded; mhm
08:08 gooseheaded; people LOVE IT!!!
08:08 gooseheaded; ;-)
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08:09 gooseheaded; i am always SIDEWAYS, i tilt my head diagonally, so i ALIGN my visual perspective to my fucking diagonal fucking STANCE!!!
08:09 gooseheaded; it is full on!!!
08:09 gooseheaded; hue hue hue...
08:09 gooseheaded; it "kinda" works...
08:09 gooseheaded; well it DOES!!!
08:10 schestowitz-TR; go get some sleep
08:10 schestowitz-TR; you talk nonsense
08:10 XRevan86; MinceR: "also, ask XRevan86 about roskomnadzor, since you seem to be on a crusade against censorship" <- Censorship is when Putin's agenta is countered. Ask Pieskov, he'll tell you all about it.
08:11 schestowitz-TR; putin has a new slant on censorship
08:11 schestowitz-TR; he bans the extremists
08:11 schestowitz-TR; not just foreign agents
08:11 gooseheaded; i took a pee nonsense?
08:11 XRevan86; Like Facebook.
08:11 matey; thats not new
08:11 schestowitz-TR; and now they ban whole sites for what some users say in them
08:11 gooseheaded; i am about the only sane fucking person in the universe...
08:11 matey; like the fediverse
08:12 gooseheaded; what did i type which was nonsense..?
08:12 schestowitz-TR; yeah, fediverse has issues
08:12 gooseheaded; tell me... please..?
08:12 schestowitz-TR; and you need to appease several tyrants all at once
08:12 kingoffrance; "why can't things be defined more clearly now?" i dont know, just looks like going in circles in the big picture. this isnt a criticism so much as chesterton's fence: understand why it was how it was before mucking with anything
08:12 kingoffrance; after that, muck away.........
08:12 schestowitz-TR; gooseheaded: come back when you sober up, please
08:12 kingoffrance; now they want int_256_t or whatever
08:12 gooseheaded; no you...
08:13 gooseheaded; i am fucking sober, more fucking "SOBER" than you...
08:13 gooseheaded; actually i am entirely fucking rational and sane...
08:14 gooseheaded; most have LOST THEIR FUCKING "minds"
08:14 TR News; "deleting her social [control] media and wedding website accounts" https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/consciousness-guilt-fatal-nyc-shove-suspect-may-face-legal-jeopardy-de-rcna21256
08:14 TR Bot; Consciousness of guilt: Fatal NYC shove suspect may face more legal jeopardy for deleting social media, experts say
08:14 TR News; "What is the solution for the problem then, I asked myself? How can I get the ownership of my hardware, OS, data and apps back?" https://www.boucek.me/blog/digital-feudalism/
=> ↺ https://www.boucek.me/blog/digital-feudalism/
08:14 TR Bot; feudalism and freedom boucek.me
08:14 TR News; "The death was confirmed in an obituary, which said Wilhite, one the chief architect of America Online, died March 14 just days after his 74th birthday on March 3." https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/stephen-wilhite-creator-gif-dies-74-rcna21287
=> ↺ https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/stephen-wilhite-creator-gif-dies-74-rcna21287
08:14 TR Bot; Stephen Wilhite, creator of the GIF, dies at 74
08:15 XRevan86; CrystalMath: "i'm not supporting the censorship part, and i never did" <- I have to say that the censorship part is pretty hard to ignore here. It's easier to say what one is allowed to speak about than what one isn't.
08:15 TR News; "Stephen Wilhite, the inventor of the GIF, passed away last week from COVID at the age of 74." https://www.salon.com/2022/03/23/its-official-weve-all-been-saying-gif/
=> ↺ https://www.salon.com/2022/03/23/its-official-weve-all-been-saying-gif/
08:15 Alternative link; Cloudflare: salon.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.salon.com/2022/03/23/its-official-weve-all-been-saying-gif/
08:15 TR Bot; official. We've all been saying "GIF" wrong | Salon.com
08:15 mjg59_; Good thing no censorship occurs here
08:15 TR News; "Although GIFs are synonymous with animated internet memes these days, that wasnt the reason Wilhite created the format. CompuServe introduced them in the late 1980s as a way to distribute high-quality, high-resolution graphics in color at a time when internet speeds were glacial compared to what they are today." https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/23/22992066/stephen-wilhite-gif-creator-dies
=> ↺ https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/23/22992066/stephen-wilhite-gif-creator-dies
08:15 TR Bot; Stephen Wilhite, creator of the GIF, has died - The Verge
08:16 mjg59_; Oh, wait
08:16 XRevan86; MinceR: I think that CrystalMath only cares if censorship happens to him, and he is in the EU, which he so much hates.
08:16 schestowitz-TR; Serbia is in the EU?
08:16 *schestowitz-TR checks
08:16 XRevan86; activelow: "do you think russian military did this, shooting civilian passengers? i do not believe, yet i do not know because i hadn't been there." <- It's almost as if there is literal footage everywhere.
08:16 psydruid; it isn't
08:17 XRevan86; Oh, never mind then.
08:17 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Serbia_to_the_European_Union
=> ↺ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Serbia_to_the_European_Union
08:17 TR Bot; Accession of Serbia to the European Union - Wikipedia
08:17 schestowitz; "On 7 November 2007, Serbia initiated a Stabilisation and Association Agreement (SAA) with the European Union. The European Commission recommended making Serbia an official candidate on 12 October 2011. After the Council's recommendation of 28 February 2012, Serbia received full candidate status on 1 March. In December 2013, the Council of the European Union approved opening negotiations for Serbia's accession."
08:17 schestowitz; Like North Macedonia, they won't lower their standards that low
08:17 schestowitz; not yet
08:18 XRevan86; matey: "this is the first ive heard of rt being pro putler, i thought they were leftish (for russia i mean)" <- Uh, what? It's state TV.
08:18 TR News; "NASA had originally wanted to pick two companies to develop human lunar landers for Artemis in order to inspire competition and keep down costs." https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/23/22993287/nasa-second-human-lunar-lander-moon-artemis-spacex
=> ↺ https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/23/22993287/nasa-second-human-lunar-lander-moon-artemis-spacex
08:18 TR Bot; NASA announces plans to develop second Moon lander, alongside SpaceXs Starship - The Verge
08:19 matey; XRevan86 <- maybe the fact that i only pay attention to rt when it does a tech segment, and literally ignore the rest
08:19 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: RT is like "BBC Russia"
08:20 schestowitz-TR; except, afaik, RT doesn't take bribe from bill gates
08:20 schestowitz-TR; ;-)
08:20 matey; /me hasnt seen anything from rt in ages
08:20 mjg59_; XRevan86: rt's international agenda is largely anti US imperialism, so reads as lefty if you ignore its position on Russia
08:20 XRevan86; It takes bribes from the state.
08:20 schestowitz-TR; the billBC takes money from us
08:20 matey; rt's international agenda is largely anti US imperialism, so reads as lefty if you ignore its position on Russia <- which i have ignored
08:20 schestowitz-TR; and also takes bribes from gates repeatedly
08:20 matey; so yeah, its a very superficial take i admit
08:20 schestowitz-TR; billBC is not what it was decades ago
08:21 matey; but its what it looked like at first glance
08:21 schestowitz-TR; and it still protects a bunch of perverts like Savile
08:21 matey; It takes bribes from the state. <- i was just asking, i have no actual position on rt
08:21 matey; thanks for explaining
08:21 mjg59_; schestowitz-TR: You published multiple stories that attempted to protect Jake
08:22 XRevan86; matey: That was an answer to schestowitz.
08:22 matey; XRevan86: ok, i guess i found it useful too
08:22 mjg59_; schestowitz-TR: I think that undermines your (otherwise legitimate) criticism of the BBC re: Savile
08:22 TR News; "UK universities compete to offer education as a service product in a market system." https://www.timeshighereducation.com/blog/false-market-degrees-ruining-higher-education
=> ↺ https://www.timeshighereducation.com/blog/false-market-degrees-ruining-higher-education
08:22 TR Bot; The false market in degrees is ruining higher education | Times Higher Education (THE)
08:22 TR News; RIP, Mr. GIF Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162930
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162930
08:22 TR Bot; RIP, Mr. GIF | Tux Machines
08:23 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/irc-log-230322/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/24/irc-log-230322/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/irc-log-230322/
=> gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/24/irc-log-230322/
08:23 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 | Techrights
08:23 mjg59_; If you're going to complain about organisations protecting rapists, maybe don't publish stories protecting rapists
08:25 mjg59_; Or, at least, have the decency to remove the old stories or flag them in some way
08:26 TR News; ttps://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/econographics/putins-invasion-of-ukraine-could-spark-a-global-food-crisis/
08:27 TR News; "I attended that conference session, and remember feeling comforted by the countrys investments in scientific infrastructure compared to other countries." https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-u-s-still-doesnt-know-how-to-track-a-pandemic/
=> ↺ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-u-s-still-doesnt-know-how-to-track-a-pandemic/
08:27 TR Bot; U.S. Still Doesnt Know How To Track A Pandemic | FiveThirtyEight
08:28 mjg59_; (Roy, once again, raises an issue and then stops talking about it the moment I point out that there's hypocrisy on his part)
08:29 matey; its a common pattern
08:30 matey; im never going to be able to side either way on this
08:30 matey; i know there are people who have been raped that will never find justice in court
08:30 matey; i also know there will be people who are false accused that will never clear their name
08:30 matey; asking "how are we supposed to tell which is which" sounds dickish
08:31 matey; particularly when you know someone who knows someone, etc
08:31 mjg59_; matey: My partner was sexually assaulted by Jake
08:31 matey; particularly when you know someone who knows someone, etc
08:31 mjg59_; Also an ex was, and also a close friend
08:32 matey; so how can i ask you this question in a general, non-dickish way?
08:32 matey; because tbh i dont know
08:32 matey; not about your partner obviously
08:32 matey; but in a broader sense that has nothing to do with the example of jake
08:32 TR News; Fake cybersecurity. Proprietary mystery software. https://siliconangle.com/2022/03/22/f-secure-announces-name-corporate-business-ahead-company-split/
08:32 TR Bot; announces name of corporate business ahead of company split - SiliconANGLE
08:32 matey; obviously jake would be a bad example here
08:32 TR News; Proprietary https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/ex-gov-rick-snyder-4-others-charged-flint-water-crisis-must-testify
08:32 TR Bot; Ex-Gov. Rick Snyder, 4 others charged in Flint water crisis must testify | Bridge Michigan
08:32 TR News; "This is an overview of a series of 6 blog posts we dedicated to the analysis and decryption of Cobalt Strike traffic. We include videos for different analysis methods." https://blog.nviso.eu/2022/03/22/cobalt-strike-overview-part-7/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HelpSystems#Cobalt_Strike
=> ↺ https://blog.nviso.eu/2022/03/22/cobalt-strike-overview-part-7/
=> ↺ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HelpSystems#Cobalt_Strike
08:32 mjg59_; matey: If the question is "How do I know who to believe", there's a couple of approaches
08:33 TR Bot; Cobalt Strike: Overview Part 7 NVISO Labs
08:33 TR Bot; HelpSystems - Wikipedia
08:34 mjg59_; matey: The first is statistical - the number of accusations that are demonstrated to be false is tiny compared to the number that are demonstrated to be true
08:34 matey; that doesnt solve this problem for me
08:34 matey; it simply says "the problem is unlikely"
08:34 XRevan86; "yes, well, MinceR always did that, for example with freenode and Andrew Lee" <- freenode is a fine example of CrystalMath thinking that people have an obligation to Andrew Lee, and that being anti-censorship means supporting a hypocrite.
08:34 mjg59_; matey: The second is more game theoretical - what do the people making accusations gain compared to what they stand to lose?
08:35 matey; mjg: in both approaches, we are throwing out the idea of innocent until proven guilty
08:35 matey; for petty theft and murder, we have innocent until proven guilty
08:35 matey; but for rape we get the opposite
08:35 mjg59_; matey: No! "Innocent until proven guilty" is something that applies to the state, not to individuals
08:35 matey; im not entirely comfortable with that. i can see the gains it promises of course
08:35 *schestowitz-TR kindly reminds mjg59_ he was muted for changing the subject of this channel to SEX and then using the resultant mess to defame us in Twitter, making slanderous accusations about where we stand on issues
08:35 XRevan86; matey: "any idea if alpine can be compiled with tinycc?" <- tinycc is not feature complete to compile anything of that complexity.
08:36 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO: https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/okta-knew-about-breach-in-january,-kept-mum-until-lapsus$-post.html
08:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/okta-knew-about-breach-in-january,-kept-mum-until-lapsus$-post.html
08:36 TR Bot; - Okta knew about breach in January, kept mum until Lapsus$ post
08:36 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO: https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/microsoft-accepts-cybercriminal-group-lapsus-hacked-its-data/90411638
08:36 TR Bot; microsoft news: Microsoft accepts cybercriminal group Lapsus$ hacked its data, CIO News, ET CIO
08:36 matey; "Innocent until proven guilty" is something that applies to the state, not to individuals <- if we are doling out consequences it seems like a principle worth considering
08:36 mjg59_; matey: eg, OJ Simpson was found innocent - the state failed to prove its case, mostly due to the police being racist. But that doesn't mean I'd trust him with a knife.
08:36 matey; if we are terminating employment and destroying someones reputation
08:37 matey; simpson is a good example-- it seems pretty obvious he was guilty
08:37 matey; given the evidence
08:37 matey; so the verdict was useless
08:37 matey; bu the process was not
08:37 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO: https://siliconangle.com/2022/03/22/reports-okta-microsoft-breached-lapsus-hacking-group/ marketing LIE: "Microsoft, for example, spends about $1 billion every year on protecting its network"
=> ↺ https://siliconangle.com/2022/03/22/reports-okta-microsoft-breached-lapsus-hacking-group/
08:37 TR Bot; and Microsoft breached by Lapsus$ hacking group - SiliconANGLE
08:37 matey; and i wouldnt trust him either
08:37 mjg59_; schestowitz-TR: techrights.org contains multiple articles defending a rapist. You didn't write them, but you chose to publish them. The fact that they're on techrights.org strongly implies that they're on topic.
08:37 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO: https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/23/22993731/lapsus-hacking-group-teenager-mastermind
=> ↺ https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/23/22993731/lapsus-hacking-group-teenager-mastermind
08:37 TR Bot; A teen is reportedly the mastermind behind the Lapsus$ hacking group - The Verge
08:38 mjg59_; matey: Ok, so that already implies that "innocent until proven guilty" isn't something that binds individuals
08:38 matey; binds, no
08:38 matey; but hopefully has some relevance, even if its not binding
08:38 mjg59_; Simpson acted in Hollywood movies before that trial, and didn't afterwards
08:38 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO: https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/599418-microsoft-confirms-breach-by-lapsus-hacker-group "Microsoft said in the post that Lapsus$, also known as DEV-0537, had breached one account, resulting in limited access but not to the data of any of the tech giants customers."
=> ↺ https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/599418-microsoft-confirms-breach-by-lapsus-hacker-group
08:38 TR Bot; confirms breach by Lapsus$ hacker group | TheHill
08:38 matey; there was no longer a market for his work
08:38 matey; but again, he went to trial
08:39 mjg59_; matey: A trial where he was found innocent
08:39 matey; i think he was even found guilty in the second trial
08:39 mjg59_; There was a civil case
08:39 mjg59_; Not a criminal one
08:39 matey; but theres a lower threshold for proof in a civil case
08:39 mjg59_; Yeah
08:39 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO: https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/03/adelstein-departing-wia-ransomware-still-ongoing-threat-uscellular-new-board-nominees/ see http://techrights.org/2021/05/02/ransomware-task-force/
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08:39 Alternative link; Cloudflare: broadbandbreakfast.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/03/adelstein-departing-wia-ransomware-still-ongoing-threat-uscellular-new-board-nominees/
08:39 TR Bot; Adelstein Departing WIA, Ransomware Still 'Ongoing Threat,' USCellular New Board Nominees : Broadband Breakfast
08:39 TR Bot; Microsoft-Centric Ransomware Task Force | Techrights
08:40 matey; maybe we should have a different question entirely
08:40 mjg59_; matey: So what's the threshold? Being found not guilty in a court seems like it should be something that means consequences go away if we think of "Innocent until proven guility"
08:40 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO: https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/ransomware-incidents-in-us-much-higher-than-number-reported-claim.html it's killing lots of people http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/
=> ↺ https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/ransomware-incidents-in-us-much-higher-than-number-reported-claim.html
=> http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/
08:40 Alternative link; Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/ransomware-incidents-in-us-much-higher-than-number-reported-claim.html
08:40 matey; what should be done about jake?
08:40 TR Bot; - Ransomware incidents in US much higher than number reported: claim
08:40 TR Bot; Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights
08:40 matey; matey: So what's the threshold? <- but this is basically what im asking you
08:40 mjg59_; Jake has been excluded from spaces where he could cause further harm
08:40 mjg59_; He's been allowed to continue living his life otherwise
08:40 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO: https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/599362-fbi-concerned-about-possible-russian-cyberattacks-on-critical http://techrights.org/2021/07/19/microsoft-national-security/
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=> http://techrights.org/2021/07/19/microsoft-national-security/
08:40 TR Bot; 'concerned' about possible Russian cyberattacks on critical infrastructure | TheHill
08:40 TR Bot; Is Microsoft a National Security Threat? | Techrights
08:40 mjg59_; The consequences are fare less meaningful than if he'd been found guilty and imprisoned
08:41 matey; what about his contritbutions to research and software? are those still possible?
08:41 mjg59_; So, (1) his contributions mostly consist of him rephrasing other people's work, he can't actually code for shit, and (2) yes, he can still write stuff, and other people can make use of that if they want to
08:42 kingoffrance; "No! "Innocent until proven guilty" is something that applies to the state, not to individuals" well, thats why i pointed out state was "by of for the people" previously.
08:42 kingoffrance; confusion of tongues
08:42 kingoffrance; not saying it is that, just that was the theory
08:43 mjg59_; Free software doesn't mean everyone has the right to have their patches merged
08:43 matey; thank god
08:43 TR News; WWW = clusterf*** https://www.techzim.co.zw/2022/03/scammers-fake-browser-windows-including-url-protect-against-that/
08:43 matey; i dont want everyone to have root
08:43 mjg59_; But free software means anyone can write patches and someone else can make use of that if they want to
08:43 TR Bot; Scammers can now convincingly fake browser windows, including URL. You can protect against that - Techzim
08:43 mjg59_; Jake's not prevented from forking tor and writing his own code there
08:44 mjg59_; And anyone would then be able to pick up his code and make use of it if they wanted
08:44 matey; your confident his contributions to tor were non-vital?
08:44 mjg59_; Yup
08:44 matey; And anyone would then be able to pick up his code and make use of it if they wanted <- this is probably sufficient
08:44 mjg59_; Look at git - he really doesn't have that many commits
08:44 matey; if its possible to sponsor his patches, that would likely satisfy me, if i held any authority in the tor project
08:44 TR News; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Scythe https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/scythe
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08:44 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Scythe
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08:45 matey; and you say its possible, so...
08:45 matey; im speaking hypothetically
08:45 matey; i dont know of anything being left out because of this in terms of useful patches
08:45 mjg59_; Hey, regardless of my feelings, if Jake wrote something useful I would attempt to incorporate that concept if not literally that code
08:46 matey; presumably, and this is speculation
08:46 matey; the reason pocock wanted to write that about jake was
08:46 matey; to show that people are being censored, like he is
08:47 matey; if so, maybe not the best example
08:47 matey; not one likely to gain a lot of sympathy i mean
08:47 mjg59_; Pocock's a piece of shit, but I don't have any reason to believe he's anywhere near as bad as Jake
08:47 TR News; "Tor Browser 11.5a8 is now available from the Tor Browser download page and also from our distribution directory." https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-115a8/
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08:47 TR Bot; New Alpha Release: Tor Browser 11.5a8 (Windows/macOS/Linux) | The Tor Project
08:48 mjg59_; Pocock has used other people's names and email addresses to send mail to mailing lists
08:48 TR News; Microsoft issues https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/03/a-closer-look-at-the-lapsus-data-extortion-group/
=> ↺ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/03/a-closer-look-at-the-lapsus-data-extortion-group/
08:48 TR Bot; A Closer Look at the LAPSUS$ Data Extortion Group Krebs on Security
08:48 mjg59_; But as far as I know he hasn't raped anyone
08:49 TR News; Putler justifies his name https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/23/holocaust-survivor-killed-by-russian-shelling-in-kharkiv
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08:49 Alternative link; Cloudflare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/23/holocaust-survivor-killed-by-russian-shelling-in-kharkiv
08:49 TR Bot; NO TITLE
08:50 TR News; Like in the days of the Berlin Wall and Korean DMZ, people would rather be dead than live under Putler https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/23/i-d-rather-lose-my-life-than-my-freedom
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08:50 Alternative link; Cloudflare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/23/i-d-rather-lose-my-life-than-my-freedom
08:50 TR Bot; NO TITLE
08:50 mjg59_; matey: But yes, I agree with you - Pocock wants to make a case that Debian unjustly excludes people, and wants to try to prove Jake was unjustly excluded to make people think he was unjustly excluded
08:51 matey; even if they do unjustly exclude people
08:52 matey; that doesnt preclude the obvious possibility that some people are justly excluded
08:52 schestowitz; https://linux.slashdot.org/story/22/03/15/2028231/debian-developer-demoted-quits-after-two-decades-with-project
08:52 Alternative link; Cloudflare: slashdot.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linux.slashdot.org/story/22/03/15/2028231/debian-developer-demoted-quits-after-two-decades-with-project
08:52 TR Bot; Debian Developer Demoted, Quits After Two Decades With Project - Slashdot
08:53 schestowitz; Only the political side of Debian is, unfortunately, creating such a toxic atmosphere.
08:53 schestowitz; https://itwire.com/open-source/debian-developer-demoted,-quits-after-two-decades-with-project.html
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08:53 Alternative link; Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/open-source/debian-developer-demoted,-quits-after-two-decades-with-project.html
08:53 kingoffrance; minor point, i dont have anything to add, just: everything is a file versus universal resource locators. just to say: noone agrees there either, on how to "name" "files"
08:53 TR Bot; - Debian developer demoted, quits after two decades with project
08:53 kingoffrance; *uniform
08:54 TR News; ICBM has outsourced this to PROPRIETARY software https://fossforce.com/2022/03/fedora-plans-to-party-for-36-like-its-2022/
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08:54 TR Bot; Fedora Plans to Party for 36 Like It's 2022! - FOSS Force
08:55 mjg59_; schestowitz: Not sure what point you're trying to make here
08:55 TR News; They talk about "Open Source", so you know they mean openwashing rather than freedom https://fossforce.com/2022/03/free-online-open-source-101-on-tuesday-in-person-meetup-in-april/
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08:55 TR Bot; Free & Online: Open Source 101 Online on Tuesday - FOSS Force
08:55 matey; as i understand it, or misunderstand it, the accusation made against preining is harassment, not rape
08:56 mjg59_; Yeah
08:56 matey; and its a long term pattern of it?
08:56 mjg59_; There were a bunch of things (including him engaging in misgendering) and the internal processes that attempted to resolve that didn't end up with a good conclusion
08:57 matey; and after all that he wasnt forced out but actually quit
08:57 mjg59_; Right
08:57 mjg59_; He could have continued to maintain the packages he maintained
08:57 matey; but he was no longer a manager
08:57 matey; only a developer
08:57 mjg59_; He was a developer, he'd have been a maintainer
08:58 mjg59_; Developers can basically upload anything, maintainers can only touch packages they're in charge of
08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 36.80 k/sec., IPFS upstream 41.73 average k/sec., average swarm size 265.60
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09:08 TR News; "[Tom], of the YouTube channel ThingsTomLike, found a very sweet little mechanical Pong clone at a thrift store. It came in broken" https://hackaday.com/2022/03/23/old-school-mechanical-pong-still-amazes/
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09:08 TR Bot; School Mechanical Pong Still Amazes | Hackaday
09:09 TR News; "On Tuesday, the European Parliaments (EU) Special Committee on Artificial Intelligence in a Digital Age (AIDA) adopted its final recommendations for a Roadmap, laying the groundwork through 2030" https://creativecommons.org/2022/03/23/cc-welcomes-adoption-of-aida/ buzzwords swallowed http://techrights.org/2022/01/11/buzzwords-from-brussels/
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09:09 Alternative link; Cloudflare: creativecommons.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://creativecommons.org/2022/03/23/cc-welcomes-adoption-of-aida/
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09:09 TR Bot; CC welcomes adoption of AIDA - Creative Commons
09:09 TR Bot; A Soup of Buzzwords From Brussels (the European Commission) | Techrights
09:12 TR News; "Im a bit tired of blogging about nothing but COVID-19; so I thought Id take some time to dunk on a 7 hoop and look at homeopathy." https://respectfulinsolence.com/2022/03/23/why-are-so-many-clinical-trials-of-homeopathy-positive/
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09:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: respectfulinsolence.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://respectfulinsolence.com/2022/03/23/why-are-so-many-clinical-trials-of-homeopathy-positive/
09:12 TR Bot; Why are so many clinical trials of homeopathy "positive"? - RESPECTFUL INSOLENCE
09:13 matey; mjg59_ youll mention, i hope, when your legal action against someone here has concluded
09:13 matey; i dont expect either of you to discuss while its still ongoing
09:13 TR News; "Four individuals connected to the illegal streaming of copyrighted content have been handed prison sentences in the UK totaling more than 10 years" https://torrentfreak.com/illegal-iptv-streams-four-receive-prison-sentences-totaling-10-years-220323/
09:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/illegal-iptv-streams-four-receive-prison-sentences-totaling-10-years-220323/
09:13 TR Bot; IPTV Streaming: Four Receive Prison Sentences Totaling 10+ Years * TorrentFreak
09:13 TR News; "Infamous Russian torrent site RuTracker is one of many pirate sites that are permanently blocked by the Russian authorities for failing to remove copyrighted content" https://torrentfreak.com/rutracker-found-itself-unblocked-in-russia-so-immediately-blocked-itself-220323/
09:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/rutracker-found-itself-unblocked-in-russia-so-immediately-blocked-itself-220323/
09:13 TR Bot; Found Itself Unblocked in Russia So Immediately Blocked Itself * TorrentFreak
09:15 TR News; SoylentNews helps Microsoft post spam. This is MICROSOFT PULLING FINLAND. Then greenwashing it. https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/03/21/1538236 Zemlin and his frauds do the same http://techrights.org/2021/11/09/linux-foundation-greenwash/
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09:15 TR Bot; Waste Heat From Microsoft Servers to Warm Residents in Southern Finland - SoylentNews
09:15 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Has Become Even Worse Than Climate Science Deniers | Techrights
09:16 mjg59_; matey: At the point where I should say anything, I'll do so
09:16 matey; /me nods
09:16 TR News; What a world; people who expose crimes can only marry behind bars. For EXPOSING crimes. https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7671223/wikileaks-assange-to-marry-in-uk-jail/?cs=14264
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09:16 TR Bot; WikiLeaks' Assange to marry in UK jail
09:16 TR News; "Imagine you have the following EcmaScript module you want to unit test..." https://ar.al/2022/03/23/using-bound-functions-to-unit-test-ecmascript-modules/
=> ↺ https://ar.al/2022/03/23/using-bound-functions-to-unit-test-ecmascript-modules/
09:16 TR Bot; Using bound functions to unit test EcmaScript Modules Aral Balkan
09:17 mjg59_; Again with defending the rapists
09:22 TR News; "The lawyers who were following this at the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), were predicting that Donald Trump would prosecute journalists." http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/in-edicola/articoli/2022/03/22/daniel-ellsberg-it-is-outrageous-that-biden-has-continued-to-pursue-julian-assanges-prosecution/6533299/
09:22 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ilfattoquotidiano.it | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/in-edicola/articoli/2022/03/22/daniel-ellsberg-it-is-outrageous-that-biden-has-continued-to-pursue-julian-assanges-prosecution/6533299/
09:22 TR Bot; Daniel Ellsberg: "It is outrageous that Biden has continued to pursue Julian Assange's prosecution" - Il Fatto Quotidiano
09:22 TR News; Media is collapsing while they attack Wikileaks, too https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/22/business/media/buzzfeed-news-editors-newsroom-cuts.html
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09:22 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/22/business/media/buzzfeed-news-editors-newsroom-cuts.html
09:22 TR Bot; BuzzFeed News Top Editor Mark Schoofs to Leave Ahead of Newsroom Cuts - The New York Times
09:23 TR News; "The independent publication Meduza is no longer easily accessible in Russia. Meduza has been reporting from Latvia in Russian and English since 2014" https://netzpolitik.org/2022/russian-exile-medium-meduza-everything-has-changed-dramatically/
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09:23 TR Bot; Russian exile medium Meduza: Everything has changed dramatically
09:23 TR News; Killed journalists https://text.npr.org/1088172421
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09:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: npr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://text.npr.org/1088172421
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09:23 TR Bot; Family of killed photojournalist Danish Siddiqui take Taliban leaders to ICC
09:24 TR News; the victim of crimes against humanity and war crimes, at the hand of anti-government forces, identifying themselves as Taliban. https://www.laprensalatina.com/family-of-indian-photojournalist-killed-by-taliban-moves-icc-for-justice/
09:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: laprensalatina.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.laprensalatina.com/family-of-indian-photojournalist-killed-by-taliban-moves-icc-for-justice/
09:24 TR Bot; Family of Indian photojournalist killed by Taliban moves ICC for justice - La Prensa Latina Media
09:24 TR News; "Reporters Without Borders (RSF) has reconstructed an exclusive timeline of two years of government assault on Hong Kongs press freedom following the adoption of the National Security Law" https://rsf.org/en/news/rsf-relate-two-years-government-assault-hong-kongs-press-freedom
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09:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: rsf.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://rsf.org/en/news/rsf-relate-two-years-government-assault-hong-kongs-press-freedom
09:24 TR Bot; RSF relate two years of government assault on Hong Kongs press freedom | RSF
09:25 TR News; "Chelsea Manning and Julian Assange. And now Assange sits in a gulag awaiting a terrible fate of extradition to the US." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/23/they-just-want-the-bombs-to-stop-falling/
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09:25 Alternative link; Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/23/they-just-want-the-bombs-to-stop-falling/
09:25 TR Bot; Just Want the Bombs to Stop Falling - CounterPunch.org
09:25 mjg59_; Reminder that Chelsea only ended up in jail because Assange was fucking incompetent
09:27 TR News; Canada truck blockades spread to more countries https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/truckers-block-highways-to-protest-insecurity-tolls-and-fuel-prices/
09:27 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mexiconewsdaily.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/truckers-block-highways-to-protest-insecurity-tolls-and-fuel-prices/
09:27 TR Bot; Truckers block highways to protest insecurity, tolls and fuel prices
09:27 matey; Reminder that Chelsea only ended up in jail because Assange was fucking incompetent <- first ive heard this
09:28 matey; i presume that chelsea remains pro-assange though
09:29 mjg59_; Haha no
09:29 TR News; OSI and surveillance https://www.fiercetelecom.com/broadband/comcast-commits-open-source http://techrights.org/2020/06/25/mozilla-comcast/
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09:29 Alternative link; Cloudflare: fiercetelecom.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.fiercetelecom.com/broadband/comcast-commits-open-source
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09:29 TR Bot; Comcast shares its code to boost open source security | Fierce Telecom
09:29 TR Bot; Mozilla Shames Itself and Harms Its Reputation by Stating That Comcast Has Taken Major Steps to Protect Customer Privacy | Techrights
09:29 mjg59_; She's not going to snitch on him
09:29 mjg59_; But she is not in favour of him
09:30 mjg59_; So full marks on following through on principles
09:30 matey; how did his incompetence lead to her imprisonment?
09:31 mjg59_; I'm going to handwave a bit here because there's various stuff that isn't public
09:31 TR News; Teaching kids code, not GUI (nonsense, training) https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/code-club-wales-translations-codealong/
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09:31 Alternative link; Cloudflare: raspberrypi.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/code-club-wales-translations-codealong/
09:31 TR Bot; Code Club in Wales with translations, teacher training and a country-wide codealong - Raspberry Pi
09:31 matey; thats fine
09:32 mjg59_; And also this is my understanding of things, so it may be contradicted by other facts at some point
09:32 matey; noted
09:33 TR News; "The health data of almost 50 million Americans was breached last year, according to a Politico analysis of data from the Department of Health and Human Services" https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/599430-sensitive-health-data-of-50-million-americans-hacked-or-breached-last
09:33 TR Bot; health data of 50 million Americans hacked or breached last year: analysis | TheHill
09:33 mjg59_; But: while the proximal cause is that Lamo was a piece of shit, the US was primarily interested in drawing an association with Assange, and while Assange refused to comment there had been enough evidence left behind other than Chelsea's own admissions that left space to bring him into it
09:34 TR News; Israel is making itself synonymous with war, malware, and other illegal software. Then it'll cry "antisemitism" https://edri.org/our-work/italian-dpa-fines-clearview-ai-for-illegally-monitoring-and-processing-biometric-data-of-italian-citizens/
09:34 TR Bot; Italian DPA fines Clearview AI for illegally monitoring and processing biometric data of Italian citizens - European Digital Rights (EDRi)
09:34 mjg59_; And he didn't do anything to disabuse the US of this belief
09:34 TR News; "And thats the essence of end-to-end encryption: no-one but the sender and the intended receiver can read the message. Of course, you may haggle over the details." https://edri.org/our-work/the-european-commission-might-put-a-stop-to-end-to-end-encryption/
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09:34 TR Bot; The European Commission might put a stop to end-to-end encryption - European Digital Rights (EDRi)
09:34 matey; so in other words
09:35 TR News; Surveillance galore https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/23/22993459/zoom-twitch-stream-button-integration
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09:35 TR Bot; Zoom is making it easy to plug your meeting directly into Twitch - The Verge
09:35 matey; he refused to comment and he refused to protect the anonymity of the people who provided tips to him
09:35 matey; or at least, failed ot
09:36 TR News; "Breaking Defense: Lets set the scene. What is the steady state right now in cryptographic solutions? Where is modernization needed?" https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/modernization-of-crypto-isnt-the-core-mission-for-dod-and-the-ic-its-what-enables-the-mission/
09:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: breakingdefense.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/modernization-of-crypto-isnt-the-core-mission-for-dod-and-the-ic-its-what-enables-the-mission/
09:36 TR Bot; Modernization of crypto isnt the core mission for DoD and the IC, its what enables the mission - Breaking Defense Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary
09:36 mjg59_; My understanding is that he refused to assert that Chelsea was not the source
09:36 matey; you consider that incompetence? im not saying it isnt
09:37 mjg59_; Oh that bit I don't consider incompetence - I think the incompetence is in failing to teach your sources how to protect themselves
09:37 mjg59_; Same as I think The Intercept were incompetent in handling Reality Winner
09:37 mjg59_; Or, rather, it's the totality of it
09:38 mjg59_; Don't ask people to leak stuff to you unless you can ensure they're protected
09:38 mjg59_; And if you fail at that, throw yourself under the bus rather than implicate them
09:38 matey; right
09:39 mjg59_; I think Assange failed at that, and I think The Intercept failed at that
09:39 schestowitz-TR; says someone who never protected a source
09:40 matey; its a reasonable principle
09:40 TR News; It feels like Putin is still in control of the EU https://www.voanews.com/a/putin-tells-europe-to-pay-for-natural-gas-in-rubles/6498771.html
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09:40 TR Bot; Putin Tells Europe to Pay for Natural Gas in Rubles
09:40 matey; taking reponsibility for the people that inform you
09:41 TR News; Fall of an empire https://www.defenceweb.co.za/security/maritime-security/us-general-says-china-is-seeking-a-naval-base-in-west-africa/
09:41 Alternative link; Cloudflare: defenceweb.co.za | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.defenceweb.co.za/security/maritime-security/us-general-says-china-is-seeking-a-naval-base-in-west-africa/
09:41 TR Bot; US general says China is seeking a naval base in West Africa - defenceWeb
09:42 matey; honestly, if what mjg is saying about assange is true
09:42 mjg59_; schestowitz: There's more than one case where you've quoted an anonyomous source with enough information that it's easy to work out who they were, so I wouldn't go too hard on that point (I promise I won't decloak anyone, I'm not a piece of shit)
09:42 matey; theres absolutely nothing wrong with the argument about taking responbility
09:42 matey; the only possible hole i can find in it is that its not true
09:42 matey; the principle is sound enough
09:43 schestowitz-TR; it's a lie
09:43 mjg59_; What's a lie?
09:43 schestowitz-TR; mjg59_: just defames everyone
09:43 schestowitz-TR; he lives in a fantasy world
09:43 mjg59_; What, specifically, is a lie
09:43 matey; mjg59_: just defames everyone <- i can see the logic here, actually
09:44 TR News; Maybe we can learn to drink ewaste then... https://today.rtl.lu/news/luxembourg/a/1885896.html
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09:44 TR Bot; RTL Today - Pollution in Luxembourg: Around 100 groundwater resources currently unusable
09:44 matey; he defamed stallman (imo) therefore any other accusation he makes is false
09:44 matey; thats certainly worth considering
09:44 matey; it isnt necessarily true, but its possible
09:44 mjg59_; Oh yeah please do critically analyse my claims
09:45 mjg59_; But also please critically analyse Roy's
09:45 matey; well there you can count on me
09:45 mjg59_; In this case he's asserting that I'm lying without even saying what I'm lying about
09:45 matey; because i could make a comment about roys protection of sources
09:45 TR News; "failure to act on climate change was a violation of their rights to life as young people." https://www.teenvogue.com/story/radical-climate-action
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09:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: teenvogue.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.teenvogue.com/story/radical-climate-action
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09:45 TR Bot; Radical Climate Action: From Hunger Strikes to Lawsuits to Community Care | Teen Vogue
09:45 matey; but im withholding it
09:45 matey; at any rate
09:46 TR News; "The vehicle will not operate at ambient temperatures below -4F (-20C). Give me a break. This is Canada. We go months below -20C." https://mrpogson.com/2022/03/22/solo-ev-update/
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09:46 TR Bot; Solo EV Update | Robert Pogson
09:46 matey; even if you WERE making up assanges fault here
09:46 matey; the principle you describe about protecting sources
09:46 matey; is still reasonable
09:46 matey; making up, even mistaken
09:46 mjg59_; I think roy mischaracterises a lot of things, but I also think that's his honest belief
09:47 mjg59_; There are some cases where he says actually untrue stuff even after he's been corrected
09:47 mjg59_; But for the most part, it's his genuine interpretation of the facts
09:48 mjg59_; Any time I accuse him of lying, I'll describe the precise statement that I believe to be untrue and provide evidence for that
09:48 mjg59_; Please do hold me to that standard
09:49 mjg59_; But in return, please hold him to the same standard
09:49 TR News; "Nevermind accounting for the world's tomfoolery as part of this burnout. The world has repeatedly set its own yard on fire lately and I'm not about to peek through my blinds, per se, and watch the show." gemini://soviet.circumlunar.space/wholesomedonut/gemlog/20220324.gmi
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09:50 matey; But in return, please hold him to the same standard <- if it were possible to do so
09:50 mjg59_; Anyway for context I've hung out with Chelsea at her birthday party before the pandemic
09:50 matey; im jealous
09:50 matey; id love to meet her
09:50 mjg59_; And she followes me on Twitter
09:50 matey; interesting
09:51 mjg59_; Which, uh, crap, Elon's ex's girlfriend follows me on Tiwtter
09:51 matey; ex gf?
09:51 TR News; "Gulag is introducing a pilot to let a small number of participating developers offer a payment system in addition to Gulag Ploys." https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/23/22993417/google-pilot-test-android-alternate-billing-systems-spotify
09:51 TR Bot; Google will test letting Android developers use their own billing systems - The Verge
09:51 mjg59_; Grimes is dating Chelsea, apparently
09:51 matey; wow
09:51 matey; thats a cute couple
09:51 TR News; "Users who download the Spotify app from the Gulag Ploy Play store will soon be able to decide whether to subscribe to the audio streaming service using Gulag Ploy" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/google-spotify-android-payment-1235117575/
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09:51 Alternative link; Cloudflare: hollywoodreporter.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/google-spotify-android-payment-1235117575/
09:51 TR Bot; Google to Add Spotify Payment Option on Android Version of Audio App The Hollywood Reporter
09:53 mjg59_; Explains a lot about Grimes walking around with Das Kapital
09:53 matey; is chelsea a marxist?
09:54 mjg59_; Honestly can't say anything about her political beliefs tbh
09:54 matey; fair enough
09:54 matey; when you said explains a lot
09:54 matey; i thought you meant you understood a connection there
09:54 mjg59_; Oh it just seems compatible with her sense of humour
09:55 matey; ah ok
09:55 matey; what do you think of someone musks age dating someone as young as grimes
09:55 matey; granted i think shes either 30 or close to it by now
09:56 matey; but i was thinking 25
09:56 mjg59_; Eh it's a 15 year or so difference and I think I trust her to make good decisions there?
09:57 TR News; "Facebook's attacks were truly shameless." https://pluralistic.net/2022/03/23/false-genocide-negative/#metacrap
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09:57 TR Bot; Pluralistic: 23 Mar 2022 Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
09:57 matey; yeah
09:57 matey; she looks younger than
09:57 matey; shes 33
09:57 matey; thats not such a big deal
09:57 TR News; "The forthcoming Artificial Intelligence Act (AI Act) is one step closer to its adoption." https://www.kolaja.eu/en/post/20220322-russia_demonstrates_how_ai_can_be_abused_three_significant_gaps_in_the_ai_act/
09:57 TR Bot; Russia demonstrates how AI can be abused - Marcel Kolaja
09:57 matey; i used to think she was like 20
09:58 TR News; "The materials sent to the printers in Russia include a message telling citizens that President Vladimir Putin, the Kremlin, and Russian media have been lying to them about the invasion." https://www.newsweek.com/anonymous-hacks-russian-printers-deliver-resistance-information-1690269
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09:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: newsweek.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.newsweek.com/anonymous-hacks-russian-printers-deliver-resistance-information-1690269
09:58 TR Bot; Anonymous Hacks Into Russian Printers to Deliver Resistance Information
09:58 mjg59_; There's some truth to the predatory men on younger women thing, but there's also a degree to which that removes their agency
09:59 mjg59_; She had her own indepenent thing going on so I don't see it as him imposing himself on her
09:59 matey; but there's also a degree to which that removes their agency <- yeah
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10:00 matey; theres a tendency to infantilise grown women regarding certain decisions
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10:00 matey; which begs the question at what age are they capable of living their own lives
10:00 TR News; "What Russia is doing is unacceptable." https://edri.org/our-work/propaganda-cannot-be-silenced-with-censorship-freedom-of-expression-can/
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10:00 TR Bot; Propaganda cannot be silenced with censorship, freedom of expression can - European Digital Rights (EDRi)
10:00 matey; if not 18
10:01 TR News; China handling Tibet https://www.rfa.org/english/news/tibet/writer-03222022121939.html
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10:01 TR Bot; Tibetan writer released from prison in China after serving 13 years Radio Free Asia
10:01 matey; i also didnt know until recently that musk was the richest person in the world?
10:01 matey; i thought it was bezos?
10:01 mjg59_; We impose legal boundaries on things because things are fuzzy
10:01 matey; i didnt even know musk was in the top 10
10:02 mjg59_; Not everyone has the same response to alcohol, but we have absolute drink-drive limits anyway
10:02 matey; yeah
10:02 matey; it cuts down at least, on people doing dumb and lethal things
10:02 mjg59_; His net worth is based on valuations he can't realistically liquidate at that value, but he's still fucking rich
10:02 matey; sure i mean, at that level of rich its impossible to do the math probably
10:03 matey; theres a degree of speculation
10:03 matey; and estimation
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10:04 mjg59_; schestowitz: You still haven't explained what I said that was a lie
10:04 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> Not everyone has the same response to alcohol, but we have absolute drink-drive limits anyway
10:05 DaemonFC; And then Democrat judges to go "OK Mr. Smith, I see you're on your 6th DUI so pay a fine and do 3 days in the jail. NEXT!".
10:05 DaemonFC; "Oh Mr. Brown, you recorded children using the toilet at the Marathon station? Two months county! NEXT!"
10:05 TR News; "They were taken into custody because of some songs they sang" https://anfenglishmobile.com/culture/one-artist-detained-after-aydin-newroz-5-released-on-judicial-control-58819
10:05 Alternative link; Cloudflare: anfenglishmobile.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://anfenglishmobile.com/culture/one-artist-detained-after-aydin-newroz-5-released-on-judicial-control-58819
10:05 TR Bot; ANF | One artist detained after Aydn Newroz, 5 released on judicial control
10:06 mjg59_; matey: Anyway to your point I have many reasons to dislike ElMu but I don't think his relationship was inherently bad
10:06 DaemonFC; They probably can't stop Ketanji Brown Jackson from being on the Supreme Court, but they did give her a pretty good grilling yesterday.
10:07 mjg59_; But I do think Assange failed to support his sources in ways that hurt them
10:07 DaemonFC; Including for being soft on child molesters.
10:07 TR News; If you oppose tyrants, do not buy Apple https://citizenlab.ca/2022/03/engrave-condition-apples-political-censorship-leaves-taiwan-remains-in-hong-kong/
10:07 TR Bot; Engrave Condition: Apples Political Censorship Leaves Taiwan, Remains in Hong Kong - The Citizen Lab
10:08 TR News; Russian police arrest man for holding up blank sheet of paper https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/russian-police-arrest-man-for-holding-up-blank-sheet-of-paper-1.4826435
10:08 TR Bot; Russian police arrest man for holding up blank sheet of paper
10:09 TR News; "Taliban intelligence men arrested three staff members of TOLO TV, one of Afghanistan's largest television stations, a channel executive said Friday." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-journalists-detention-censorship/
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10:09 TR Bot; Taliban detains journalists over report on censoring of TV shows - CBS News
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10:10 DaemonFC; Laws don't cut down on crime very much.
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10:10 DaemonFC; People who are prone to doing them in the first place aren't sitting down reading law books, and it's obvious they're losers.
10:10 TR News; "The UK governments much anticipated online safety bill has now been released. The bill seeks to impose a duty of care on companies, such as social [control] media platforms" https://theconversation.com/online-safety-bill-ambiguous-definitions-of-harm-could-threaten-freedom-of-speech-instead-of-protecting-it-179514
10:10 TR Bot; Online safety bill: ambiguous definitions of harm could threaten freedom of speech instead of protecting it
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10:11 DaemonFC; Even when they benefit from black privilege in court and have the judge cut them loose on promise to appear on murder charges...
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10:11 DaemonFC; They go an commit a string of armed robberies next county over while they're awaiting the murder trial.
10:11 mjg59_; Again, just going to point out https://stallman.org/articles/witch-hunt.html that argues distributing is fine as long as you didn't make it
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10:11 TR Bot; Suggestion to the target of a witch hunt
10:11 DaemonFC; Like, what did the judge think would happen? Honestly?
10:11 TR News; "During Cruz's tense exchange with Jackson, where he listed books he claimed were teaching CRT, he pulled out a copy of sociology professor Alex Vitales The End of Policing." https://www.teenvogue.com/story/ted-cruz-end-of-policing
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10:11 TR Bot; Ketanji Brown Jackson Hearing Ted Cruz Makes 'The End of Policing' Book a Best Seller | Teen Vogue
10:12 DaemonFC; It's a good thing that she won't be in the majority.
10:12 DaemonFC; It's a bad thing she could even be on the court at all.
10:12 DaemonFC; She doesn't deserve to be.
10:12 TR News; Politicians think everyone is a pedophile https://edri.org/our-work/private-communications-are-a-cornerstone-of-democratic-society-and-must-be-protected-in-online-csam-legislation/
10:12 TR Bot; Private communications are a cornerstone of democratic society and must be protected in online CSAM legislation - European Digital Rights (EDRi)
10:12 DaemonFC; She'll replace Clarence Thomas as the most foul thing on the Supreme Court, amazingly.
10:12 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Do you disagree with rms on this point?
10:13 DaemonFC; We'll have one black Nazi and one Burn Loot Murder judge. Christ!
10:13 DaemonFC; They got the worst of both possibilities, didn't they?
10:13 matey; just going to point out https://stallman.org/articles/witch-hunt.html that argues distributing is fine as long as you didn't make it <- thats not his actual argument
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10:14 DaemonFC; "Imaginary children can't be hurt by drawing them."
10:14 mjg59_; matey: He says "I don't think it is wrong to distribute "child porn" images"
10:14 DaemonFC; That part is settled law. The US Supreme Court struck down the Child Online Protection Act as being unconstitutionally vague.
10:15 DaemonFC; The sentence of the only person convicted of it was overturned.
10:15 schestowitz-TR; I can see where the troll is taking the channel
10:15 mjg59_; matey: He agrees that making them is wrong, and you might want to boycott them to show that you don't support making them, but he doesn't assert that it's /wrong/
10:15 matey; his argument is made in an incredibly undiplomatic way, for reasons that should be obvious (i consider it unfortunate)
10:16 DaemonFC; Every state has an age of consent law.
10:16 DaemonFC; And none of them seem to be too ridiculous.
10:16 matey; but your representation of his argument (in fairness you cited it at least) is a fairly poor representation
10:16 matey; not, i would add, COMPLETELY poor
10:16 DaemonFC; It should be up to states as to what the community wants to do about such things.
10:16 DaemonFC; Not the federal government.
10:16 TR News; "Promoting Human Rights in the Digital Era." https://edri.org/our-work/promoting-human-rights-in-the-digital-era/
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10:16 TR Bot; Promoting human rights in the digital era - European Digital Rights (EDRi)
10:16 matey; but at least it makes it sound worse than what hes saying
10:16 matey; most importantly, he doesnt say its "fine"
10:17 DaemonFC; The federal government actually shouldn't be allowed to legislate at all on most things.
10:17 matey; he says For the sake of opposing sexual abuse of real children, I suggest that you boycott the images"
10:17 DaemonFC; But that's its own issue.
10:17 TR News; "Showing videos of POWs, regardless of the content or under what conditions it is obtained, is a violation of international law, experts say." https://www.navytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2022/03/22/posting-pow-footage-on-social-media-may-constitute-human-rights-violation/
10:17 TR Bot; Posting POW footage on social media may constitute human rights violation
10:17 mjg59_; matey: My interpretation is (and this is an interpretation, not a quote) "It is not wrong to distribute child porn, but it's better not to because you reduce harm if there's less demand"
10:18 DaemonFC; I don't get how like, the age of consent can be 16. But if they want to be in porn, they can't be.
10:18 matey; right, if you had said that, instead of saying he said its "fine" i wouldnt be correcting anything
10:18 DaemonFC; Some have produced counterfeit driver's licenses and sneaked in and the world never ended and they're just fine now.
10:18 TR News; Internet dying in a certain sense (yes, ALREADY) https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/03/what-is-the-splinternet-and-why-you-should-be-paying-attention/
10:18 Alternative link; Cloudflare: internetsociety.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/03/what-is-the-splinternet-and-why-you-should-be-paying-attention/
10:18 TR Bot; What Is the Splinternet? And Why You Should Be Paying Attention
10:18 mjg59_; matey: Ok, apologies for potentially misrepresenting that
10:19 matey; at any rate, he was playing with fire the way he did word it
10:19 DaemonFC; But Stallman doesn't specify what "children" means, so that's really disturbing.
10:19 matey; legal minors?
10:19 matey; what other definition would be relevant?
10:19 matey; i dont define computers when i talk about them
10:19 mjg59_; matey: My interpretation is still pretty much "You shouldn't feel bad for looking at child porn, but it would be better if you didn't"
10:19 DaemonFC; I don't think there should be a mismatch in the legal age for porn and the age of consent in a state.
10:20 DaemonFC; But I think it should be up to each state to decide what the uniform law is for both. The federal government should be restrained, by constitutional amendments, until it can't dictate our lives anymore.
10:20 mjg59_; matey: I think we can justifiably quibble over whether my use of "fine" was accurate, but there's still some sort of distinction drawn there
10:20 matey; DaemonFC in the uk there was a mismate in age of consent for gays and heterosexuals
10:20 TR News; Digital Restrictions (DRM): "HBO Max said the button is one of its most requested features. Streaming rivals like Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu, among others, have similarly experimented with shuffle functions on their apps" https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/23/22993709/hbo-max-shuffle-button-curb-your-enthusiasm-friends-south-park
10:20 DaemonFC; When they passed the law requiring people to pay for junk health insurance, it didn't improve their lives.
10:20 TR Bot; HBO Max adds a shuffle button to help you find something to watch - The Verge
10:21 matey; matey: I think we can justifiably quibble over whether my use of "fine" was accurate <- that was my only quibble
10:21 DaemonFC; If it was a great product at a good price, they would have bought it already. The fine was there as punishment for not paying for a lousy product that cost too much money.
10:21 TR News; Digital Restrictions (DRM) empire looking for revenue streams. At whose expense? https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/netflix-password-sharing-fees-1235116696/
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10:21 TR Bot; Netflix Password Sharing Update: Will the Streamers New Test Work? The Hollywood Reporter
10:21 mjg59_; matey: Ugh I grew up in Northern Ireland and that was only fixed there in 2009
10:22 mjg59_; matey: There's a shitload of prejudice around the world, even in countries you believe are past that
10:22 matey; #techrights : 03/24/22 10:21 <mjg59_> matey: Ugh I grew up in <- one of my favoute places on earth
10:22 matey; /me blames mouse
10:22 DaemonFC; The real reason healthcare is collapsing and has been in hyperinflation for years is illegal aliens.
10:22 matey; Northern Ireland <- this rather
10:22 DaemonFC; They go into the ER for everything and don't pay their bill.
10:22 mjg59_; Abortion was only legalised in NI in 2019
10:22 DaemonFC; Then the hospital bills a citizen for the balance.
10:22 matey; i always assumed the law in ni was the same as the rest of the uk
10:22 matey; i guess not?
10:23 mjg59_; matey: No! NI was in a weird legal situation
10:23 matey; there you have it
10:23 DaemonFC; It's sketchy because they disarmed in exchange for a bad peace deal.
10:23 mjg59_; For a long time it was the only part of the UK you could keep a tiger
10:23 matey; a bad peace deal eh?
10:23 DaemonFC; And then the British removed their local government that they were promised later.
10:23 mjg59_; "bad peace deal" ha ha ha ah fucking no
10:23 matey; it was a lot nicer there after the bad peace deal
10:23 DaemonFC; And it gives it to them whenever it feels like it.
10:24 mjg59_; What? No
10:24 mjg59_; The British parliament takes over when NI fails to form a government, because otherwise there isn't one
10:24 matey; not only was it nicer, but generally speaking people were very happy that it was nicer
10:24 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> The British parliament takes over when NI fails to form a government, because otherwise there isn't one
10:24 DaemonFC; Even better.
10:25 matey; the peace deal worked because people were sick to fuck of fighting
10:25 DaemonFC; If the situation of not having a government is intolerable, there would be one quickly, I presume.
10:25 DaemonFC; Maybe they're worried people would like the short break.
10:25 mjg59_; Ok you genuinely don't have any idea what you're talking about here
10:25 mjg59_; Which is not unusual, but
10:26 DaemonFC; The natural state is for people to be skeptical of the government and to want to stop it from functioning at all in most cases.
10:26 mjg59_; If you're a US libertarian, sure
10:26 DaemonFC; But the government doesn't want to go anywhere, so it taxes you and establishes government schools to fill people's heads with propaganda.
10:26 mjg59_; That is not the universal natural state
10:27 DaemonFC; Then it can keep doing a shittier and shittier job.
10:27 DaemonFC; Until nobody even knows math or science, but does know how to keep voting for more welfare.
10:27 DaemonFC; Then the country collapses in slow motion.
10:27 matey; DaemonFC youre making the same mistake as ben shapiro right now
10:27 mjg59_; And NI, despite having a larger per-capita rocket launcher owner poplulation than the rest of the English-speaking democratic world, doesn't agree with that
10:27 DaemonFC; Unfortunately, they're still in power, so they don't care.
10:28 DaemonFC; There are some very badly broken countries where the people in power suffer, so don't care.
10:28 DaemonFC; *don't suffer
10:28 mjg59_; NI has the best education system of the entire UK
10:28 matey; the british have a different relationship with socialism than americans
10:28 DaemonFC; And that's exactly where America is heading because people tolerate the federal government running everything.
10:28 matey; so the left/right dynamic plays out differently
10:28 DaemonFC; Or ruining everything, rather.
10:28 DaemonFC; Before the feds took over healthcare, I didn't need insurance.
10:29 matey; largely because america never came out of a war in desperate need of an nhs
10:29 DaemonFC; I went and paid the doctor $40 or so and got my meds, and my meds were maybe 20-30% of what they cost now, without some ridiculous app.
10:29 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Ok could you please tie this back to Northern Ireland
10:29 DaemonFC; And then that was that.
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10:29 DaemonFC; The fucking stupid Democrats made everything healthcare-related 10 times more expensive than it was before.
10:30 matey; the stupid democrats based their plan on the work of mitt romney
10:30 DaemonFC; Then on the other end, they hide it by paying the insurance companies (deficit spending and taxes),.
10:30 mjg59_; yeah we were talking about Northern Ireland and the Democrats have a surprisingly small influence there
10:30 DaemonFC; Which causes the dollar to hyperinflate and taxes to have to go up eventually.
10:30 matey; <mjg59_> NI has the best education system <- howso?
10:30 DaemonFC; And then you have more problems. Gasoline, heating your house, FOOD, rent.
10:30 mjg59_; matey: Better government funding than anywhere else in the UK
10:31 DaemonFC; Politicians are almost always, like, the dumbest fucking people in the country.
10:31 matey; Which causes the dollar to hyperinflate and taxes to have to go up <- the us libertarian model of the dollar is a bit like a transistor
10:31 DaemonFC; And that's if you're lucky.
10:31 mjg59_; matey: Per capita, more money spend on education there than in England, Wales or Scotland
10:31 DaemonFC; They'll be so dumb it at least interferes with all of the corruption a little.
10:31 matey; didnt know that
10:31 matey; thats cool
10:31 kingoffrance; "the stupid democrats based their plan on the work of mitt romney" yes lol glad someone noticed, although i dont know details
10:31 matey; /me had a very serious relationship with someone from ni once
10:32 mjg59_; matey: Publicly fundend schools in NI are pretty much at the same level as private schools in England (ignoring outliers like Eton and so on)
10:32 DaemonFC; In Illinois, the people here have proven that the feds swooping in and arresting the politicians every week for the last 50 years hasn't changed anything.
10:32 matey; Publicly fundend schools in NI are pretty much at the same level as private schools in England <- sweet
10:32 DaemonFC; So what needs to happen is a transitional government being forced while everyone living here today chooses delegates to start over.
10:32 mjg59_; matey: The NI publicly funded school system got me into Cambridge
10:32 DaemonFC; New constitution, new legal code.
10:33 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Yeah can you associate that with NI at all
10:33 DaemonFC; That should be the beginning and the end of the federal influence on the states though, and the ones ripe for takeover to impose new governments would almost always be blue states that are impossible to purge corruption from otherwise.
10:33 DaemonFC; Where democracy has failed completely.
10:33 mjg59_; Pretty certain we could replace daemonfc with a GPT-3 bot
10:34 DaemonFC; Most governments skew towards corruption to some degree.
10:34 DaemonFC; It's just off the charts here and it always will be no matter how many people the feds come in and arrest.
10:34 mjg59_; I should just write one
10:34 DaemonFC; They got themselves a House Speaker even, and nothing changes.
10:34 TR News; Starbucks as a sick cult of sociopathy and plutocracy. Poor people paying too much for a beverage to celebrate their plutophilia, hoping it'll make them SEEM well off https://truthout.org/articles/starbucks-workers-unanimously-vote-to-form-union-in-seattle-companys-hometown/
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10:34 TR Bot; Starbucks Workers Unanimously Vote to Form Union in Seattle, Companys Hometown
10:35 matey; mjg59_ if youre going to make fun of dfc with a bot, i have a better idea
10:35 mjg59_; Obviously I should use gpt-j instead
10:35 DaemonFC; "Starbucks as a sick cult of sociopathy and plutocracy. Poor people paying too much for a beverage to celebrate their plutophilia, hoping it'll make them SEEM well off."
10:35 matey; make a counter that tracks certain tropes
10:35 matey; sort of like a drinking game in bot form
10:35 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, It was established in Austin Powers that Dr. Evil owns Starbucks.
10:35 matey; for bonus points, make it take a drink and eventually slur its responses
10:36 mjg59_; Oh, just have a sign in my living room that flashes whenever racism or transphobia happens, and then everyone has to drink
10:36 DaemonFC; I'm not racist.
10:36 matey; /me giggles
10:36 matey; dfc you may not be as racist as some people think
10:36 mjg59_; k so you admit you're transphobic
10:37 *DaemonFC moves mjg59_ to South Chicago and sees how long he can stomach it.
10:37 DaemonFC; Then he can talk about fucking racism.
10:37 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Spent a bunch of time in South Chicago a few years back
10:37 DaemonFC; Right, and nobody even sends their own kids to the park to play.
10:37 DaemonFC; Because they know their neighborhood is shit and terrorized by criminals.
10:38 mjg59_; Dated someone from there
10:38 matey; i think he missed the part where you said you GREW UP in northern ireland
10:38 matey; as in you were there before the peace agreement, unless im mistaken
10:38 TR News; "Fresh off its fining by the Italian government for breaking privacy laws (which followed several similar actions by other governments), the facial recognition tech company" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/clearview-is-laundering-its-reputation-by-offering-its-ai-to-ukraines-government/
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10:38 TR Bot; Is Laundering Its Reputation By Offering Its AI To Ukraines Government | Techdirt
10:38 mjg59_; matey: yeah he has this idea that I have literally never been exposed to any of the scenarios he complains about
10:38 mjg59_; matey: And, hilariously, I actually tick pretty much every single box there
10:39 DaemonFC; So you know how gross and dangerous it is down there.
10:39 DaemonFC; Good.
10:39 matey; yeah he has this idea that I have literally never been exposed to any of the scenarios <- well, i admit, you did seem that way
10:39 matey; but the minute you said you grew up in ni i knew different
10:39 DaemonFC; Glad it's not just, like, my opinion.
10:39 matey; its nice now!
10:39 mjg59_; DaemonFC: I disagree with your characterisation
10:39 DaemonFC; Oh really.
10:39 matey; it used to be sort of rough
10:39 TR News; Do not say big tech; you help Microsoft criminals distract from their crimes; the term big tech was promoted by Microsoft lobbyists https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/sinclair-seattle-reporter-makes-proud-boys-gathering-sound-like-cub-scouts/
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10:39 DaemonFC; Would you care to go walking around at 3 AM with $5,000 and some Apple products to prove your point?
10:40 DaemonFC; Because you can do that in most of Indiana and nothing will happen.
10:40 mjg59_; matey: I lived in Omagh, which had kind of a famous involvement in everything
10:40 matey; /me nods
10:40 DaemonFC; And if you're worried about it happening in Indiana, just carry a gun.
10:40 DaemonFC; No permit coming in July.
10:40 DaemonFC; Shoot them and say self-defense. Best law ever.
10:40 DaemonFC; They shouldn't have mugged you.
10:40 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Uh tbh if I were going to do that I'd feel more sketched out in Michigan City than Chicago
10:41 matey; dfc: they had to get rid of rubbish bins because they kept blowing up
10:41 DaemonFC; Michigan City IS Chicago....
10:41 DaemonFC; NWI is a shithole that the state gave up on.
10:41 DaemonFC; It's not really Indiana.
10:41 mjg59_; It's literally Indiana
10:41 DaemonFC; Only technically.
10:41 mjg59_; Legally
10:41 TR News; Gulag and Rotten compete over who can abuse people more and then convince those people they're in fact being served https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/apple-cripples-its-own-streaming-app-in-stand-off-with-google/
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10:41 mjg59_; A signficant distance from Chicago
10:41 DaemonFC; It's Chicago spillover. Majority-minority, same time zone.
10:42 DaemonFC; Same Metro Statistical Area.
10:42 DaemonFC; Lots of crime and pollution.
10:42 mjg59_; Ok cool can you define your terms then
10:42 mjg59_; Because apparently "Indiana" doesn't mean Indiana
10:42 DaemonFC; What would work out better is if Indiana gave that to Chicago, Illinois gave the 96 counties it doesn't take care of to Indiana, and then they part ways.
10:43 mjg59_; Draw me a map of the areas you want to ask me about
10:43 DaemonFC; Everyone would be a lot happier because the thugs, parasites, and criminals could live in the state of Chicago.
10:43 DaemonFC; And the decent people could be in Indiana and like it better there.
10:43 mjg59_; Yeah ok you're just going to bullshit again
10:43 mjg59_; "No true Indiana"
10:44 DaemonFC; I'm from Indiana and nobody there likes NWI.
10:44 mjg59_; schestowitz: can you point out the time I lied
10:44 DaemonFC; It's pretty much forgotten about.
10:44 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Other than those people who literally live there in Indiana
10:44 DaemonFC; They have no influence on state politics because they vote like Chicago in a state that's not corrupt and filthy and downtrodden like Illinois is.
10:44 DaemonFC; Nobody cares about NWI.
10:44 DaemonFC; That's why it's a sacrifice zone.
10:45 mjg59_; Uh huh
10:45 DaemonFC; The BP oil refinery and US Steel make the entire region literally stink and all the plantlife nearby dies.
10:45 mjg59_; k
10:45 DaemonFC; And they have people they don't care about living there
10:45 mjg59_; What I'm hearing here is that Indiana sucks
10:45 DaemonFC; And Gary Public Schools is the only one in the state to get an F rating.
10:45 TR News; "Meanwhile, a host of London properties belonging to Russian oligarchs entered a long-overdue process of liquidation. What took so long?" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/23/lets-not-stop-russian-oligarchy
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10:45 TR Bot; Opinion | Let's Not Stop With the Russian Oligarchy | Yanis Varoufakis
10:45 DaemonFC; No, NWI sucks.
10:46 mjg59_; Yeah, Indiana
10:46 TR News; "Weve been making the point for years that the way copyright is currently enforced in online platforms is wide open for abuse and error." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/destiny-community-plagued-by-copyright-takedowns-bungie-insists-it-isnt-them/
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10:46 DaemonFC; It's because nobody in Indiana cares and nobody takes care of Gary, which is the county seat of Lake County for legacy reasons.
10:46 mjg59_; Oh no my north west
10:46 matey; mjg59_ not just indiana, NORTHERN indiana
10:46 DaemonFC; Every state has some area where nobody cares what happens there. Nobody cares what the troubles are.
10:46 mjg59_; Way to take some fucking responsibility
10:46 DaemonFC; Lake County, Indiana is that region.
10:47 DaemonFC; Ruined by industry. Nobody will ever invest there because who wants to live next to that?
10:47 matey; Nobody cares what the troubles are. <-
10:47 matey; lol
10:47 DaemonFC; The only people who couldn't afford to move are black.
10:47 *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
10:47 mjg59_; Oh gosh it's true you did just describe the UK's opinion of NI
10:47 DaemonFC; So Gary is 90%+ black now and from the train, you can see all the houses falling over into the streets.
10:48 DaemonFC; Even a Walgreens had to close within NINETY DAYS of moving into Gary.
10:48 DaemonFC; Between the armed robberies and the shoplifting, they gave up on trying to turn a profit in less than NINETY DAYS.
10:48 DaemonFC; So they don't even have a Walgreens because they ran it off.
10:48 TR News; Whatever weve been doing for five decades, it aint working. And when I look at the numbersthe number of suicides, number of disabilities, mortality dataits abysmal, and its not getting any better. https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/23/why-with-more-treatment-suicides-and-mental-distress-have-increased-former-nimh-directors-new-book/
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10:48 TR Bot; With More Treatment, Suicides and Mental Distress Have Increased? Former NIMH Directors New Book - CounterPunch.org
10:49 DaemonFC; Even shitass San Francisco, where the prosecutor admits he doesn't try shoplifters, hasn't had that happen yet.
10:49 mjg59_; And again you're just lying
10:49 matey; mjg59_ so on the one hand, people in balaklavas and rubbish bins going up now and again
10:49 matey; on the other, walgreens cant even stay
10:49 matey; admit it, youve lead a cushy life mate
10:49 DaemonFC; The reason why there's so many train robberies going on in fucking California is because only retards live and vote there and put up with that shit.
10:50 DaemonFC; They should fall into the ocean.
10:50 mjg59_; Yeah LA that well known progressive heartland
10:50 matey; i dont deny that i bought the spoiled brat narrative when there were no other facts available
10:50 matey; but that at least doesnt hold up
10:51 DaemonFC; Most people with any means of getting out of California are starting to take whatever they can get for their house, pay state taxes one last time, and bolt.
10:51 DaemonFC; So it'll be like a really big Chicago shortly enough.
10:51 *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@n85eehxfx6eqn.irc) has joined #techrights
10:51 matey; and you can be married to narratives or give facts their due
10:51 mjg59_; The hilarious thing here is that DaemonFC hates me because back in 2008 I pointed out he was wrong on a technical detail about ACPI tables and then he signed me up to 300 spam lists
10:51 matey; and then he signed me up to 300 spam lists <- did he really?
10:52 DaemonFC; California is in an advanced state of failure.
10:52 matey; i didnt know you were here back then
10:52 matey; i knew he was :)
10:52 DaemonFC; It's where the locals realize that their US citizenship allows them to rage quit the state they pay a lot of taxes to and get little or nothing from and leave.
10:52 matey; im so curious what he was wrong about about acpi tables (i know very little about them)
10:53 mjg59_; matey: https://mjg59.livejournal.com/97151.html
=> ↺ https://mjg59.livejournal.com/97151.html
10:53 TR Bot; Things I have learned in the past 24 hours: mjg59 LiveJournal
10:53 DaemonFC; Then what happens is the people who pay nothing and take are all still there.
10:53 matey; i know what shuttleworth said about acpi
10:53 matey; oh my god, livejournal
10:53 matey; i know, it was 2008
10:53 DaemonFC; Because they didn't have to be the first to go, obviously, only now there's nothing to pay for all of their welfare (except the feds, I suppose).
10:53 DaemonFC; Then there's a state budget crisis and an unpaid bills pile and you get the credit rating of Russia.
10:54 DaemonFC; That happened to Illinois and New Jersey already.
10:54 mjg59_; matey: Foxconn had a bug in their BIOS that meant they misinterpreted what a flag in the ACPI spec said, so if you suspended your system wouldn't resume correctly
10:54 DaemonFC; Yet, Windows added a workaround for the bug 4 years before a motherboard shipped with the bug.
10:54 DaemonFC; How very convenient.
10:55 mjg59_; matey: I helped them track that down and they fixed their BIOS, and I also fixed Linux to behave in the way their BIOS assumed because that's what Windows did and not everybody gets a fixed BIOS update
10:55 *psydruid knows that much of ROI and NI is much less developed than NL, DE and Scandinavia
10:55 DaemonFC; That Microsoft works around a bug in 2003 that has no hardware shipping until early 2008. (so 4+ years, really).
10:55 DaemonFC; So yeah, "bug".
10:55 mjg59_; psydroid9: Accurate, especially re: NI - the area I grew up in was one of the most impoverished parts of the UK
10:55 TR News; Ban Fact Checking? https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/alaska-state-senator-introduces-bill-to-ban-fact-checking-and-content-moderation-for-freedom/
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10:55 TR Bot; State Senator Introduces Bill To Ban Fact Checking And Content Moderation. For Freedom | Techdirt
10:55 DaemonFC; Someone went back in time 4.5 years and told Microsoft to fix a bug they planned on shipping?
10:56 DaemonFC; mjg59_ seems to have selective memory recall.
10:56 DaemonFC; At the time, I posted that I downloaded and tried every version of Windows the motherboard would run.
10:56 matey; "Websites that claim you'll never be able to get them taken down are quite easy to get taken down Legal threats are an excellent way of obtaining information The IP address used to subscribe me (and several others ) to a vast number of mailing lists was 68.57.223.4. Which seems to belong to Ryan Farmer"
10:56 mjg59_; matey: So when DaemonFC decided that Microsoft's plausible but not necessarily correct interpretation of the spec was a conspiracy on the part of Foxconn and I demonstrated otherwise, he signed me up to a shitload of spam
10:56 DaemonFC; They "fixed" the "bug" with a workaround in Windows XP Service Pack 2 Beta.
10:56 matey; presumably no longer his ip
10:57 DaemonFC; But no hardware was out until late in the lifecycle of Vista.
10:57 mjg59_; matey: Oh no, but if you search that IP you might still get hits of IRC logs that include it
10:57 TR News; Ban Windows https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/white-house-urges-companies-to-protect-data-from-russian-hacks-with-encryption-while-congress-looks-to-effectively-outlaw-encryption/
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10:57 TR Bot; House Urges Companies To Protect Data From Russian Hacks With Encryption; While Congress Looks To Effectively Outlaw Encryption | Techdirt
10:57 matey; well i used to have all the logs back to 2008
10:58 matey; but i dont
10:58 DaemonFC; So Microsoft worked around a bug in 2003 that didn't exist until 2008?
10:58 mjg59_; matey: Turns out the spamza.com people talked a teenager in Canada into hosting their site, so when I asked him for logs he gave them up
10:58 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Did you put my email address into spamza.com
10:58 DaemonFC; If you used Windows 2000 or original XP, and resumed, the system went into a coma.
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 65.36 k/sec., IPFS upstream 116.33 average k/sec., average swarm size 223.33
10:59 mjg59_; matey: I've still got that email somewhere, can pull it out if you like
10:59 DaemonFC; Windows 2003 Server did it too, until that system got a SP1.
10:59 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Did you put my email addres into spamza.com
11:00 mjg59_; (Note he's not denying it)
11:00 matey; <mjg59_> matey: I've still got that email somewhere, can pull it out if you like <- ive seen enough to satisfy my feeling that its plausible
11:00 matey; im more curious what dfc was wrong about regarding acpi
11:00 mjg59_; Oh! It was kind of subtle
11:00 matey; so far ive read your qualifications
11:00 TR News; Call them theft, not bonuses https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/23/jaw-dropping-wall-street-bonuses-have-soared-1743-1985
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11:00 TR Bot; 'Jaw-Dropping': Wall Street Bonuses Have Soared 1,743% Since 1985
11:00 matey; but not what he was wrong about
11:01 mjg59_; https://mjg59.livejournal.com/94998.html describes why his claims didn't make sense - a lot of details there, but doesn't describe what was actually wrong
=> ↺ https://mjg59.livejournal.com/94998.html
11:01 TR Bot; Further Foxconn fun: mjg59 LiveJournal
11:02 DaemonFC; I'm probably just going to give up on the PC as a platform at some point anyway.
11:02 matey; and switch to what daemonfc
11:02 DaemonFC; At this point most of the programs I use are either cross platform or emulators anyway.
11:02 DaemonFC; and switch to what daemonfc
11:02 DaemonFC; Haven't decided. But even the Raspberry Pi systems are powerful enough for anything I do.
11:03 matey; if theyre not now, they will be soon
11:03 matey; mjg59_ youre basically giving me proof he was wrong, i was only looking for a simple anecdote
11:04 matey; this wasnt something i was going to hinge your credibility on
11:04 mjg59_; matey: the fundamental flaw was that the spec implies (but was not super clear on) the fact that the firmware should clear the ACPI_WAKE_STATUS flag before handing off to the OS
11:04 matey; okay
11:04 mjg59_; And Linux assumed it was cleared
11:05 matey; oh
11:05 mjg59_; https://launchpadlibrarian.net/16604925/foxconn.diff made Linux work
=> ↺ https://launchpadlibrarian.net/16604925/foxconn.diff
11:05 DaemonFC; I don't think you have to run Raspbian, but from what I can tell, the Microsoft shit in Raspbian is an APT repository and signing key?
11:05 mjg59_; I think the BIOS was wrong and Linux was right, but it was three lines of code that made Linux work fine on that board
11:05 DaemonFC; Those are easy enough to remove and then Microsoft can't slip things onto the computer.
11:05 matey; I don't think you have to run Raspbian, but from what I can tell, the Microsoft shit in Raspbian is an APT repository and signing key? <- plus they now own "azure tros" which they didnt make but they bought it
11:05 matey; and that runs in the gpu
11:05 matey; so if you REALLY HATE microsoft, like i do
11:06 matey; the rasp spy is not for you
11:06 mjg59_; matey: Anyway I published that and then DaemonFC filled my inbox with spam
11:06 matey; but if you ditch raspbian you wont have the repo and signing key issue
11:06 DaemonFC; I use Wine, but it's just for some games and programs that unfortunately only have a Windows version.
11:06 matey; <mjg59_> matey: Anyway I published that and then DaemonFC filled my inbox with spam <- lol
11:06 matey; /mw wonders how old dfc was in 2008
11:06 DaemonFC; It's not like that suddenly makes Windows a competent OS.
11:06 mjg59_; DaemonFC: We're ok with agreeing that you filled my inbox with spam right
11:07 DaemonFC; /mw wonders how old dfc was in 2008
11:07 matey; mjg59_ its possible, even if the evidence points to ryan, that MAYBE he didnt, right?
11:07 *DaemonFC wonders why railing about 2008 is cool
11:07 mjg59_; matey: Some teenager in Canada gave me an IP address that DaemonFC was using
11:07 DaemonFC; It wasn't a fantastic year though.
11:08 DaemonFC; Well, you know....teenagers.
11:08 schestowitz; siggi
11:08 DaemonFC; Not just teenagers....some teenager in Canada.
11:08 schestowitz; fbi: we hire pedophiles
11:08 schestowitz; at age 16 or thereabouts
11:08 DaemonFC; This is turning into Rudy Giuliani and the laptop.
11:08 schestowitz; to spy on Wikileaks
11:08 mjg59_; matey: Kid in question was just running a Quake server on his home IP and had no interest in linux, so no obvious reason to finger the guy who was already angry at me on the internet
11:08 matey; DaemonFC i see it as a prank, not something youre required to answer
11:09 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Man you know you could just deny it
11:09 matey; mjg59_ i was just going to say that
11:09 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Maybe I just want to see if you'll go to the Four Seasons Total Landscaping and hold a press conference.
11:09 matey; mjg59_ there is at least ONE possible reason why people should ignore such questions from you of course
11:09 DaemonFC; To see if your hair dye leaks.
11:09 matey; to be fair
11:09 mjg59_; DaemonFC: oh my hair is falling out but it's retaining its colour
11:10 mjg59_; I'd prefer the opposite tbh
11:10 matey; /me seriously wonders if his hairline isnt receding
11:10 matey; but ive done the bald thing already, so no biggie
11:10 DaemonFC; Mine started to in 2019, but it hasn't gotten worse.
11:10 matey; /me stopped being bald because it was too much work
11:10 DaemonFC; I think it was just because it was a really bad year.
11:10 mjg59_; I've been balding since I was 22, I don't have a lot to protect here
11:11 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Anyway is it fair to say that you put my email address into Spamza in 2008
11:11 mjg59_; Maybe you think you had a good reason to!
11:11 matey; mjg59_ there is one reason that maybe no one should answer such questions of yours ever, right?
11:12 mjg59_; matey: Oh god there's no universe where I could sue him for that
11:12 matey; not that
11:12 matey; its your image
11:12 mjg59_; Also I do know some Hackers but I am not going to unleash terror upon people
11:12 DaemonFC; Well, there's a lot of reasons why nobody would bother.
11:13 DaemonFC; Mainly because the buzzards have picked me clean already.
11:13 matey; something between torquemada and cardinal richilau
11:13 matey; mjg59_ image-wise, youre no better than a cross between an fbi profiler and harriet the spy, you know
11:13 mjg59_; I'm a middle aged dude with a receding hairline I do not actually have the power to fuck someone over
11:14 matey; i mean, most people here, rightly or wrongly, figure this will all end up in a twitter storm
11:14 mjg59_; Like fuck I have plenty of evidence that DaemonFC did this thing him saying anything doesn't matter at all at this point
11:14 matey; Like fuck I have plenty of evidence that DaemonFC did this thing him saying anything doesn't matter at all at this point <- thats other sid of it, true
11:14 matey; if i was his lawyer of course, id tell him not to say anything
11:15 mjg59_; I think he's a terrible person but I promise I'm not going to do anything about shit that happend almost 15 years ago
11:15 matey; I think he's a terrible person <- other than being racist?
11:15 mjg59_; Also the transphobia
11:15 DaemonFC; A very racist person that's in an interracial marriage.
11:15 DaemonFC; Wow, learn something new every day.
11:15 mjg59_; Yeah, not impossible
11:16 matey; im not sure if hes generally transphobic or just transphobic about his aunt
11:16 DaemonFC; Oh, Keith.
11:16 DaemonFC; Yeah, that guy's a real piece of work.
11:16 mjg59_; Oh no not again
11:16 DaemonFC; No psychiatrist would even say he was trans.
11:16 DaemonFC; Buffalo Bill
11:16 mjg59_; But yeah he's misgendered people previously
11:16 matey; But yeah he's misgendered people previously <- i dont really doubt it
11:17 mjg59_; And used transphobic slurs
11:17 matey; i wasnt there, or i dont recall, its just
11:17 matey; let me explain
11:17 matey; he rants about blacks all day long
11:17 mjg59_; Oh no need I understand
11:17 matey; and says almost nothing about anyone trans
11:17 matey; so i figure
11:17 matey; if he was very transphobic he would give them equal time
11:17 matey; like the kansas city school board
11:17 matey; its pure assumption on my part
11:18 mjg59_; He also has strong opinions about how I describe my partner
11:18 DaemonFC; I can't name a time where I saw a very mean looking trans person who probably had a gun walking towards my car.
11:18 matey; He also has strong opinions about how I describe my partner <- well thats unnecessary
11:18 matey; your partner never did anything to him
11:18 mjg59_; Right!
11:18 DaemonFC; And I was in there grinding my teeth hoping the light would change.
11:18 DaemonFC; That's why they don't get equal time.
11:18 DaemonFC; They're not important enough for me to care about as far as impact on my life and safety.
11:19 matey; theres definite logic there, dfc
11:19 DaemonFC; So, I'm pretty much neutral on the issue of trans people. I just had a really funny uncle.
11:19 matey; im not even being sarcastic
11:19 DaemonFC; :/
11:19 mjg59_; And I do undertand his concerns that "partner" has been used to undermine same-sex spouses as something not equivalent to marriage
11:19 matey; So, I'm pretty much neutral on the issue of trans people <- this was my impression overall
11:19 mjg59_; But I genuinely don't have a better word to use here
11:20 matey; But I genuinely don't have a better word to use here <- yeah, if youre not married, "spouse" makes less sense to use
11:20 mjg59_; I'm dating a non-binary person, what am I supposed to use to describe them?
11:20 DaemonFC; Well, Home Depot was recently forcing all of their employees into the "tolerance re-education camp".
11:21 matey; dunno
11:21 DaemonFC; With a worksheet claiming all white people have white privilege.
11:21 mjg59_; "Partner" is easiest
11:21 DaemonFC; And from the workings of the local court system, they actually seem to do almost nothing to black felons.
11:21 DaemonFC; But I go in there accused of a misdemeanor and it's kitchen sink day.
11:21 mjg59_; And, again, racism
11:22 mjg59_; Anyway summary DaemonFC does not deny that he signed me up for spam in 2008
11:22 DaemonFC; How do you get punished MORE for a Class C Misdemeanor than some black guy who was video taping children using the toilet and saving the vids on his computer?
11:22 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Did you sign me up for spam in 2008
11:22 DaemonFC; I mean, in what fucked up universe does that happen>?
11:22 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Did you sign me up for spam in 2008
11:22 matey; Anyway summary DaemonFC does not deny that he signed me up for spam in 2008 <- again, if i were the lawyer of anyone in here, i would tell them not to answer questions like that
11:23 matey; not because you might sue
11:23 matey; but because you might go on a twitter streak
11:23 mjg59_; matey: Yeah entirely, but like the "Innocent until proven guilty" thing people could draw conclusions even without him saying anything
11:23 DaemonFC; Well, that's in the UK anyway.
11:23 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC was not even in our channels back then
11:23 DaemonFC; Where they can use silence as an admission of guilt.
11:24 schestowitz-TR; and he would be used ad infinitum by mjg59_
11:24 matey; in 2008? he certainly was
11:24 DaemonFC; Civilized countries don't do that.
11:24 schestowitz-TR; for straw man accusations
11:24 matey; he was here in 2008 and he got banned a couple times :)
11:24 schestowitz; matey: we came stalking you... http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Ireland/Belfast/Belfast-Town-Hall looking for you, didn't find you
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11:24 matey; but there was no no-ban policy then
11:24 mjg59_; Yeah the logs do indicate that he was here, but it's not something schestowitz-TR has any responsbility for
11:24 TR Bot; Belfast Town Hall
11:24 schestowitz; put some accuation in twitter of me stalking you
11:24 schestowitz; in NI and in IRC ;-)
11:24 schestowitz; oh, wait
11:25 DaemonFC; In the UK, I've heard the police warning that if you say something they'll use it against you, and if you don't say something that could help you, you may not be able to raise it as a defense later.
11:25 schestowitz; it is the opposite
11:25 DaemonFC; So you're basically fucked if you say anything, and fucked if you stay quiet.
11:25 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Did you sign me up for spam in 2008
11:25 schestowitz; BTW, your lawyers went on a fishing expedition for my home address
11:25 schestowitz; next time you might "SWAT me"
11:25 DaemonFC; At least in the US, if you stay quiet they can't do anything.
11:25 mjg59_; schestowitz: Your home address is on techrights.org
11:26 DaemonFC; In the US, it's the opposite, actually.
11:26 DaemonFC; If you talk to the police it can only hurt you. They'll either forget to write down anything you say that helps, or the hearsay rule will disqualify it later.
11:26 mjg59_; schestowitz: grep your logs
11:26 DaemonFC; But you're free to raise anything you want in your own defense in court, therefore, you gain nothing, ever, by talking to the police.
11:27 matey; /me knows that dfc was here and that he was banned
11:27 matey; but i think the ban was lifted after a day or so
11:27 mjg59_; Anyway summary is DaemonFC made accusations against Foxonn that were not demonstrably true, Foxconn fixed their bug, I made Linux resiliant against equivalent bugs, DaemonFC signed me up for spam
11:27 TR News; Proprietary Software Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162931
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11:27 mjg59_; I made Linux better and he punishedme
11:28 TR News; Programming and Interoperability Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162932
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11:28 TR Bot; Programming and Interoperability Leftovers | Tux Machines
11:28 TR News; Browser Security Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162933
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11:28 TR Bot; Browser Security | Tux Machines
11:28 DaemonFC; They can and do lie. They'll say anything to make you talk and to keep you talking, then you find out later it was all a lie, but they got everything they needed and wrote it down.
11:28 DaemonFC; And now your lawyer can't help you.
11:28 matey; it should be noted for completeness that this is all based on an ip address and timing
11:28 matey; which is also what the riaa considers reasonable doubt
11:28 matey; im not saying that means he didnt do it
11:28 matey; just what level of proof it is
11:28 DaemonFC; The RIAA lost tens of millions of dollars doing that and then stopped.
11:29 DaemonFC; Laid off 80%. Then said it was an "educational campaign".
11:29 matey; yeah im not a fan of the riaas concept of due process
11:29 mjg59_; matey: It was clearly DaemonFC who raised the issue in the first place, so that side of things is established
11:29 matey; matey: It was clearly DaemonFC who raised the issue in the first place <- im not ignoring your side of the argument either
11:29 DaemonFC; In revenge, there usually is no profit. The RIAA found that out.
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11:29 mjg59_; matey: So the kid who was hosting Spamza would have had to know what was going on and pick out his address for who signed me up
11:29 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
11:29 DaemonFC; But they had to say it was an "educational campaign".
11:30 TR News; FOSSForce on Events Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162935
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11:30 TR Bot; FOSSForce on Events | Tux Machines
11:30 DaemonFC; What were they going to do? Admit that they lost several dozen millions of dollars suing people who had nothing and then never being able to enforce it?
11:30 mjg59_; And I mean this is not court if he wants to just lie here he can there's no perjury involved
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11:30 mjg59_; But instead he just doesn't answer and if he had lawyers they'd have told him it doesn't matter now
11:31 matey; why would a lie satisfy you better than silence?
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11:31 DaemonFC; So they got those ridiculous laws passed that let them claim hundreds of thousands in damages for an MP3 and none of it mattered.
11:31 matey; and if he had lawyers they'd have told him it doesn't matter now <- as i said theres another reason for him to ignore your questioning
11:31 mjg59_; Eh honestly just any recognition that it was a thing that happened would be nice
11:31 DaemonFC; They keep looking for a way to make it matter, but it doesn't matter.
11:31 *psydroid8 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights
11:32 mjg59_; I didn't sue him, he didn't have lawyers
11:32 matey; what was the business about legal threats and gaining information?
11:32 DaemonFC; Roy says he's being doxxed by mjg59_ for some reason.
11:32 DaemonFC; And worries he'll be SWATed.
11:33 matey; i dont believe roy actually worries about a thing in the world
11:33 matey; and i dont think mjg is going to swat him
11:33 DaemonFC; Which seems to say that Roy thinks mjg59_ is unstable enough to do such a thing.
11:33 mjg59_; matey: I emailed the teenager and said I'd call his parents if he didn't give me the logs
11:33 TR News; Celebrating Gulag surveillance like it's a "YAY! PARTY TIME! https://www.maketecheasier.com/visualize-google-location-history/
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11:33 TR Bot; How to Visualize Your Google Location History - Make Tech Easier
11:33 mjg59_; matey: I never published any information about the teengager or his phone number
11:34 matey; I emailed the teenager and said I'd call his parents if he didn't give me the logs <- the kid was running this spam signup service?
11:34 mjg59_; matey: Ha not quite - he was hanging out on a hacker IRC channel and some people asked if someone could host it
11:34 mjg59_; He gave them a shell, lulz ensured
11:34 matey; ah
11:35 mjg59_; He'd actually self-doxxed via a Quake forum
11:35 matey; have you ever doxxed someone for a lesser offense than rape?
11:35 TR News; Samba 4.16 Removes the Old SMB1 Protocol http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162824#comment-33173
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11:35 matey; note im not implying you ever doxxed someone
11:36 mjg59_; matey: I don't think I've even done that
11:36 matey; i think the biggest concern is not doxxing (as dfc says roy says) but brigading
11:36 matey; and i can understand why theyre concerned about you brigading
11:36 TR News; SocialControlMediaComplianceWatch: analysis of Social Control Media Compliance Reports for the month of January 2022 https://internetfreedom.in/ssmi-compliance-jan-2022/
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11:36 TR Bot; #SocialMediaComplianceWatch: analysis of Social Media Compliance Reports for the month of January 2022
11:36 mjg59_; roy's home address is not hard to find, but I'm not going to point to it because that would be a dick move
11:36 matey; which could lead (indirectly) to doxxing
11:36 mjg59_; And I haven't shared it with anyone
11:37 matey; tbh i think i know where it is, and i think its fake
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11:37 matey; but that also means there is no threat
11:37 mjg59_; Eh if Roy ripped up a letter from me, the letter got there
11:37 matey; fair point
11:38 mjg59_; But like I said not doxxing anyone
11:38 matey; if i was the lawyer of anyone in here
11:38 matey; and im not a lawyer, so this is very hypothetical
11:38 mjg59_; Oh man I would be "STOP TALKING SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP"
11:38 matey; id advise them not to answer you because you might go brigading on twitter
11:39 matey; i mean twitter at this point is like one giant brigade fest
11:39 matey; who even uses reddit for that anymore
11:39 TR News; Diversity and inclusion? NOT! https://news.itsfoss.com/linux-and-open-source-ukraine-aid/
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11:39 mjg59_; Ryan's had literally over a decade on this if I wanted to fuck him up in any way I'd have done so
11:39 matey; right
11:39 matey; and i think probably...
11:39 mjg59_; I don't actually have that power
11:39 matey; the "local" image of you by now is overstated
11:39 matey; and become a thing of legend
11:40 mjg59_; And geez him being angry on IRC is not enough to justify anything
11:40 matey; but that doesnt mean their concerns are completely out of left field either
11:40 matey; if you were THAT bad i imagine leah would never forgive you as well
11:40 mjg59_; I did what I wanted to back in 2008, it's done
11:41 mjg59_; I only mention it now in terms of explaining why he hates me
11:41 matey; i was just going to ask how we got on the topic
11:41 matey; anyway, thats your reputation here
11:41 matey; harriet the spy: twitter edition
11:42 mjg59_; Not illegitimate
11:42 matey; so if people are reluctant to answer questions, this is why
11:42 mjg59_; But I think that's established, not much more to do there
11:42 matey; its hard not to think of it as a funny prank
11:43 matey; at least 14 years later i mean
11:43 matey; if it were last week id think it was fucked up
11:44 matey; if it was over a disagreement about acpi it was surely unwarranted
11:44 matey; i presume you fixed it somehow
11:44 mjg59_; At the time it was a shitload of work filtering all of it out so I could actually read me work mail
11:44 matey; yeah its not something id enjoy to be sure
11:45 mjg59_; I managed to come up with some filters that identified the worst of it
11:45 matey; am i giving too much benefit of the doubt for wondering if it wasnt a coincidence?
11:45 mjg59_; Coincidentally from an IP address that he was using on IRC at the same time?
11:46 matey; /me thinks...
11:46 TR News; Can ICBM write this with a straight face? It's literally attacking the founder of Free software. https://opensource.com/open-organization/22/3/making-case-openness-engine-human-progress
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11:46 matey; im trying to think of a way
11:47 mjg59_; I definitely had preconceptions about who was responsible, but I didn't say anything until I cross-correlated the IP address
11:47 matey; as far as i know
11:47 matey; there are two ways i can think of (neither terribly plausible) that it could be someone else
11:47 TR News; DevAIClownSmartSecOps++ https://opensource.com/article/22/3/guide-implementing-devsecops ICBM buzzwords and cargo cults
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11:48 matey; 1. he had an open router and someone else using his connection you had ALSO pissed off :)
11:48 mjg59_; Also you should assume that I could just me making shit up
11:48 leah; i have been summoned
11:48 *leah reading backlog
11:48 mjg59_; leah: Sorry I think accidental in this case
11:49 mjg59_; But in this case I was making shit up in 2008 and still care about it
11:49 mjg59_; And mostly what that says is I'm old
11:49 matey; well i certainly never consider what you say written on stone tablets or anything
11:49 TR News; ICBM publishes this while forcing staff to come back to the office ("100% of the time" even for "dinobabies") and forcing people who work from him to get jabbed with experimental things... or get fired https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/hybrid-work-3-new-leadership-rules
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11:49 TR Bot; Hybrid and remote work: 3 new leadership rules | The Enterprisers Project
11:50 matey; fabricating a 2008 lj post just to frame dfc for a 14 year old spam prank would be pretty hilarious
11:50 mjg59_; I wouldn't put it past me
11:50 mjg59_; I am that kind of asshole
11:50 matey; if you went to all that trouble for something so small
11:51 TR News; What emotional intelligence? Calling older workers "dinobabies" and driving them to suicide? https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/it-leadership-3-reasons-emotional-intelligence-vital http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Ageism
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11:51 TR Bot; IT leadership: 3 reasons emotional intelligence is vital | The Enterprisers Project
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11:51 matey; id have to think maybe you loved him, just a little
11:51 mjg59_; But in this case web.archive.org is on my side
11:51 matey; yes but youre a superhacker, so
11:51 matey; what is web.archive.org really
11:51 matey; this is why its a blessing and a curse to become a legend
11:52 mjg59_; Eh it's only a couple of miles away maybe I could walk there and break in and just swap out some drives to corrupt their RAID in a way that recontstructed this
11:52 matey; can mjg59 3d print a rock so heavy he cant hack it?
11:52 mjg59_; Have you seen my muscles literally yes
11:52 mjg59_; It would not need to be a heavy rock
11:52 matey; I could walk there and break in and just swap out some drives to corrupt their RAID in a way that recontstructed this <- like a very nasty, very vindictive, very petty and spiteful version of aaron swartz
11:53 mjg59_; Eh Aaron's brother is a friend and this turns into a heavy topic
11:53 mjg59_; i see where you're coming from but I can't really give a flippant answer
11:53 matey; fwiw i went to visit mit as a young lad
11:53 matey; i was interested in going
11:54 matey; and i met a famous inventor who was a professor there
11:54 matey; but i fucking hate them for what they did to aaron
11:54 matey; (and stallman, for that matter)
11:54 leah; matey: please summarize what you were talking about, when you pinged me. tell me what is the nature of the current discussion between you and mjg59_. there's quite a lot of backlog that i'm skimming through
11:54 matey; leah: in a line or two, this:
11:54 matey; if mjg was the level of arsehole that his legendary status has become here
11:55 matey; you would know, and hold it against him
11:55 matey; you dont
11:55 matey; therefore at least SOME of his legendary status is probably not very firmly established
11:55 mjg59_; matey: I am not happy with how MIT treated aaron
11:55 matey; matey: I am not happy with how MIT treated aaron <- i wouldnt dream of suggesting you were
11:56 matey; and i was going to say, i dont think what they did to stallman is quite on par with that, in a number of obvious ways
11:56 matey; though i will say, i was concerned at first that he might kill himself too
11:56 matey; and thats not hyperbole
11:56 leah; matey: mjg59_ is an asshole, but so am i
11:56 leah; so meh
11:56 mjg59_; leah: I had no idea you prefered the US spelling
11:57 leah; ?
11:57 matey; leah uses a number of american spellings
11:57 matey; but their accent is very british
11:57 mjg59_; asshole v arsehole
11:57 matey; britain is getting increasingly lax on these things too
11:57 leah; whatever
11:58 leah; matey: fundamentally, i don't believe mjg59_ is evil, as i said the other day, i disagree with some of his positions
11:58 leah; now, what, specifically, is this discussion about?
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11:59 matey; leah: its mostly about mjg and his relationship to the website that accompanies the server this chat is on
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11:59 matey; or to roy
11:59 mjg59_; leah: Oh, roughly whether DaemonFC is a dick and whether I habitually lie
11:59 matey; that too ^
11:59 leah; i thought ariadne hosted techrights?
11:59 mjg59_; Seriously not your problem
11:59 matey; i thought ariadne hosted techrights? <- yes but she doesnt like to talk about it
11:59 matey; really the only point you were mentioned was this
11:59 matey; if mjg were evil
12:00 matey; you would probably know
12:00 matey; and i doubt youd cover for him
12:00 matey; thats the whole thing
12:00 matey; basically i was putting some stock in your opinion of him
12:00 matey; thats it
12:00 leah; i mean yeah, don't drag me into your catfights. my only beef with mjg59_ was: 1) rms stance and 2) his libreboot remarks in 2015. i recently re-read the 2015 remarks and realized he was just... being correct in the most technical way possible in 2015. and rms... meh, who cares, i saw something in him back in 2021 but he let me down and now i've abandoned him
12:00 matey; i mean yeah, don't drag me into your catfights <- this isnt a catfight
12:00 matey; weve had a pretty civil conversation for like days straight
12:01 leah; the uefi secureboot thing is another thing that annoys me. and mjg59_'s recently promotion of pluton crap
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12:01 leah; oh mjg59_ you asked me to remind you to promote libre silicon and sam zeloof
12:01 leah; i'm reminding you
12:01 leah; you said you'd forget
12:01 matey; /me has been talking with someone else who promoses zeloof too
12:01 leah; but i never forget a thing
12:01 mjg59_; Oh! Yes, I failed at that. Will try tomorrow.
12:01 matey; promotes
12:02 matey; and jri
12:02 leah; matey: but mjg59_ isn't responsible for uefi
12:02 matey; jeri
12:02 leah; i just find it annoying that secureboot got normalized in all the distros
12:02 matey; leah: this isnt about personal antagonism between mjg59 and me at all
12:02 leah; mjg59_: yeah mention jeri ellsworth too
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12:02 TR Bot; EasyOS Dunfell-series 3.4.3 | Tux Machines
12:02 leah; in my opinion, the distros should have completely refused to implement any support for secureboot
12:02 leah; they should have outright refused
12:02 leah; and/or pushed for coreboot
12:03 matey; in my opinion, the distros should have completely refused to implement any support for secureboot <- i would have preferred this as well
12:03 leah; or at least, a free tianocore implementation
12:03 matey; it was like negotiating with terrorists
12:03 leah; secureboot doesn't even protect you
12:03 matey; jsut to be clear, mjg isnt the terrorists, hes the negotiator
12:03 leah; grub in boot flash has far superior options, as does a linux kernel in flash
12:03 leah; coreboot is superior
12:03 mjg59_; I'd disagree there, but it does depend on your firmware being trustworthy
12:04 leah; matey: and rms gave him a fucking award lol
12:04 mjg59_; We've seen real-world attacks that secure boot would have blocked
12:04 leah; matey: mjg59_ used to be on fsf board of directors
12:04 DaemonFC; Yeah, that famous Linux bootloader, Windows Boot Manager.
12:04 DaemonFC; mjg59_ talks about Secure Boot blocking an attack, and there's a picture of the Windows Boot Manager screen.
12:05 DaemonFC; :)
12:05 DaemonFC; Amazing.
12:05 leah; mjg59_: grub can do these things: 1) verify gpg signatures on files 2) boot luks and geli encrypted partitions
12:05 DaemonFC; An attack on Windows. Hardly ever happens, you know. ;)
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12:05 leah; mjg59_: secureboot just signs your bootloader
12:05 schestowitz; 'secure' boot IS the attack
12:05 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/wontboot-meme/
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12:05 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Yeah turns out almost everyone interesting runs Windows. How do you want your laptop to distinguish?
12:05 TR Bot; [Meme] It Was Only a Matter of Time All Along | Techrights
12:05 leah; with coreboot, flash protection and grub with password, gpg checking kernels etc and booting them from encrypted /boot, i'd say you have superior security
12:05 leah; mjg59_: but grub has limitations: upstream luks lacks detached luks header/keyfile support
12:06 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> DaemonFC: Yeah turns out almost everyone interesting runs Windows. How do you want your laptop to distinguish?
12:06 leah; there are patches for that, but only for luks1, not luks2 yet, and not in upstream either, and grub's luks2 implementation is incomplete
12:06 leah; if you want FDE stuff, i recommend linux in flash
12:06 DaemonFC; Well, with Windows Update getting itself jammed up and all the data corruption and Bitlocker bugs...
12:06 leah; with u-root for kexec
12:06 DaemonFC; It's amazing they get anything done BEFORE the malware.
12:06 leah; u-root, not to be confused with u-boot
12:06 mjg59_; leah: Local management is hard and I don't have a good answer
12:06 leah; we should be pushing for more coreboot
12:06 leah; imo
12:06 leah; google ships coreboot
12:07 mjg59_; DaemonFC: That doesn't answer the question
12:07 leah; system76 ships coreboot on some machines. and framework is interested in coreboot
12:07 leah; mjg59_: local management?
12:07 DaemonFC; Google will ship pretty much anything they can get their hands on though.
12:07 DaemonFC; They're packrats.
12:07 mjg59_; leah: The device owner
12:07 leah; hey, don't shit on google. they're the reason libreboot has decent video init lol
12:07 leah; on like, all thinkpads
12:07 leah; mjg59_: freedom is always superior
12:08 leah; but secureboot is inferior, free or not
12:08 DaemonFC; I have this Thinkbook with the visible 'firmware bug" messages before my splash screen.
12:08 DaemonFC; So that's nice.
12:08 DaemonFC; uEFI strikes again.
12:08 leah; linux/grub in flash has much greater security features
12:08 mjg59_; leah: Nobody should ever be prevented from running what they want
12:08 leah; and uefi is bloat
12:08 leah; absolute bloat
12:08 leah; linux does bare metal you know
12:08 mjg59_; leah: But equally, everyone should be able to specify what they want
12:08 leah; on like
12:08 leah; everything
12:09 DaemonFC; Remember the time Microsoft did Hello World in C and it was several hundred lines long?
12:09 leah; mjg59_: specify what they want, for/in/on what?
12:09 leah; DaemonFC: gnu beat that record
12:09 leah; see:
12:09 leah; https://www.gnu.org/software/hello
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12:09 TR Bot; Hello - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation
12:10 DaemonFC; Microsoft's didn't have all these features.
12:10 leah; i tried to fork it recently, as a joke to prove a point, i was going to make a program called "insult" based on it, that insults the user
12:10 leah; i failed. the code is terrible
12:10 DaemonFC; It was literally just Hello World in English only.
12:10 DaemonFC; No features.
12:10 leah; DaemonFC: gnu hello depends on gettext and gnulib
12:10 leah; and both are blights on humanity
12:10 leah; gnulib especially
12:11 leah; yeah let's replace all the c library functions and extend them in a way where bsd can't use any code that links against gnulib
12:11 leah; that's gnulib
12:11 DaemonFC; yeah let's replace all the c library functions and extend them in a way where bsd can't use any code that links against gnulib
12:11 leah; and gnu hello doesn't even have .po files in it for translating Hello World
12:11 DaemonFC; That's actually quite funny.
12:11 leah; it relies on a library in gnulib for that
12:12 leah; so like, the main purpose of gnu hello - print hello world in every language - isn't even implemented in gnu hello
12:12 leah; DaemonFC: it gets better
12:12 leah; lots of gnu projects bootstrap gnulib in their build system, but then heavily patch it
12:12 leah; so there are like
12:12 leah; 10 different versions of gnulib being maintained
12:13 leah; so gnulib isn't even fulfilling its stated purpose: being a portability library
12:13 leah; and uefi is... worse than what i just described, if you use intel's reference implementation, called tianocore
12:14 leah; that reference implementation is used (and modified) by all the commercial vendors
12:14 leah; all of them
12:14 leah; that codebase is spaghetti, and almost as big as linux
12:14 leah; just to load yet another bootloader
12:14 leah; uefi is microsoft garbage. it's main benefit is only to windows
12:15 leah; linux/bsd runs on bare metal on most machines
12:15 mjg59_; I'll defend the functionality UEFI offers, I will not defend the implementation
12:15 leah; just put linux in flash
12:15 leah; or grub
12:15 leah; your boot speeds will be insane
12:16 leah; bonus: built-in operating system
12:16 DaemonFC; Extensible Firmware Interface. Just drag and drop code from the BIOS to extend.
12:16 mjg59_; Modern UEFI overhead is <0.5s, but there's some space to win there
12:16 leah; stick busybox and musl in there with u-root
12:16 DaemonFC; Code that references Windows 98, even!
12:16 DaemonFC; It doesn't matter!
12:16 leah; mjg59_: coreboot is <0.1s
12:16 leah; and sometimes is so fast that it introduces race conditions
12:16 DaemonFC; Dalek voice: EXTEND EXTEND EXTEND!!!
12:16 mjg59_; leah: Without payload, sure
12:16 leah; coreboot with a light payload
12:17 leah; mjg59_: yeah grub bootstrap admitedly is quite slow
12:17 mjg59_; leah: FSP tho
12:17 leah; what about fsp
12:17 mjg59_; Sloooooooooooooooow
12:17 matey; so gnulib isn't even fulfilling its stated purpose: being a portability library <- huzzah
12:17 leah; then don't use fsp
12:17 mjg59_; I would love to not use FSP
12:18 leah; though amd is worse than intel imo
12:18 leah; at least with intel, you get blobs that you can actually reverse engineer
12:18 mjg59_; But then I need to write raminit for 10th gen
12:18 leah; then do it
12:18 DaemonFC; AMD has their roots in being a government-mandated second source for x86 CPUs if I recall correctly.
12:18 mjg59_; Oh I'm writing stuff to drop more AMD blobs
12:18 matey; the main purpose of gnu hello - print hello world in every language - isn't even implemented in gnu hello <- i though the main purpose of gnu hello was to show how to create a gnu project using a simple example
12:18 leah; mjg59_: oh?
12:18 DaemonFC; They've never really been on par with Intel. They're just good enough to sell at lower price points.
12:19 mjg59_; leah: Most of what runs on PSP is plaintext ARM code
12:19 leah; matey: it shows how to create a gnu project
12:19 leah; and gnu shows you how not to create a project
12:19 DaemonFC; When AMD grabbed ATI, I switched to Radeon cards on my Intel PCs though.
12:19 matey; to show how to create a gnu project using a simple example <- it fails spectacularly at this as well
12:19 mjg59_; So may as well write stuff to pull that out of the BIOS images
12:19 DaemonFC; I had been doing Intel and Nvidia before when there was going to be a proprietary driver either way.
12:19 DaemonFC; Because ATI's crashed a lot more.
12:19 leah; mjg59_: i was of the assumption that psp stuff is locked down
12:19 matey; for fun you could call it amd-libre
12:20 leah; and amd gives you a nice little shim environment
12:20 DaemonFC; Microsoft has this amusing thing called the "Windows Hardware Quality Lab".
12:20 matey; amusing because it says both "windows" and "quality"
12:20 DaemonFC; And the drivers you get from it are usually old, unstable, and not even meant for the build of Windows you are running.
12:20 DaemonFC; Sometimes they're not even complete.
12:21 leah; i mean
12:21 leah; running windows is futile
12:21 DaemonFC; Like, at one point they tried giving me a driver with no Vulkan support.
12:21 mjg59_; leah: It's signed, but a bunch isn't encrypted
12:21 mjg59_; leah: May as well figure out what it's doing
12:21 DaemonFC; Microsoft strips out things like that to discourage developers from even thinking about using Vulkan.
12:22 leah; you reckon you might crack the privkeys?
12:22 DaemonFC; Figuring it'll be a complete mess on Windows that will result in support tickets.
12:22 leah; mjg59_: i do notice you talking in #coreboot on libera sometimes. if you're working on coreboot, then that is commendable
12:22 leah; thank you for doing that
12:22 matey; /me has created a monster
12:23 leah; honestly, i'm just milking whatever value is possible for now from older intel platforms. but x86 is a dead-end
12:23 leah; i want to jump off that burning barge as soon as possible
12:23 DaemonFC; Vulkan might be better served in the long run by a simple dispatch library that figures out at runtime whether it's best to shim Vulkan to the platform's native graphics API or to use the video driver's Vulkan library.
12:23 leah; certain arm platforms are promising, but i honestly don't have much faith
12:24 leah; sam zeloof's work is revolutionary and we need more of that, imo
12:24 matey; \o/
12:24 matey; and jeri
12:24 leah; riscv is giving you the isa and telling you to go build an fpga or something. and sifive has built some nice actual chips
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12:24 leah; but sam zeloof is showing you how to actually make real chips. his techniques can be learned, refined, improved and used to build whatever you want
12:25 leah; mjg59_: have you heard: intel is interested in riscv
12:25 leah; i reckon they're probably going to use it in an upcoming ME coprocessor
12:25 matey; /me figures theyre going to shove a sock in its mouth and throw it into the river
12:25 leah; currently they use minitiarized 486 processors running minix
12:26 leah; you can bet newer intel me's in the future are going to be built upon riscv
12:26 leah; that's why i think intel is interested in it
12:26 matey; you heard it here
12:26 TR News; Removing SHA-1 for signatures in Fedora [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/887832/
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12:26 TR Bot; SHA-1 for signatures in Fedora [LWN.net]
12:27 leah; matey: what monster have you created?
12:27 TR News; Python finally offloads some batteries [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/888043/
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12:27 matey; this creature born of you and mjg getting along
12:27 matey; :/
12:27 leah; hey
12:27 leah; i'm pragmatic. i like to try to see the good in people
12:27 leah; everyone can be useful
12:28 matey; yeah thats great, whatever happens im going to feel like its my fault
12:28 leah; i regularly work with people i dislike/disliked
12:29 leah; sometimes, i get turned too. there's someone else in this channel who i despised one year ago but then realized actually had great ideas, and a brilliant mind. and some of my positions changed due to the influence of that person
12:29 matey; mincers not that bad
12:29 leah; sticking to ones guns in futile. you should adapt your thinking to the times
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12:29 leah; and sometimes, one is wrong
12:29 leah; and you have two choices: adapt, or stay put
12:30 leah; matey: not talking about mincer lol
12:30 matey; thats why its funny
12:30 leah; it's ok to be right
12:30 leah; and it's ok to be wrong
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12:31 leah; matey: if you actually look at my history, you'll notice that on many issues, my opinions today are the exact opposite of what they were 5 years ago
12:32 leah; or if not opposite, substantially evolved and more nuanced now
12:32 matey; sure, everyones wrong about something
12:32 leah; yeah well
12:32 leah; everyone has that ability. it's inevitable that it happens
12:32 mjg59_; leah: Yeah I'm interested in where riscv goes
12:32 mjg59_; leah: I have a riscv soldering iron
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12:32 leah; what does that mean
12:32 mjg59_; Anyway very definitely bed timenow
12:32 leah; riscv soldering iron
12:32 matey; /me tries to imagin why riscv would have its own soldering iron
12:32 TR News; Kernel: LWN Articles, Imagination, and Linutronix Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162939
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12:32 TR Bot; Kernel: LWN Articles, Imagination, and Linutronix | Tux Machines
12:32 leah; you mean the control unit is some riscv thing?
12:33 mjg59_; leah: Pinecil
12:33 leah; oh that thing
12:34 matey; matey: if you actually look at my history, you'll notice that on many issues <- i was open source first
12:34 leah; lol so, my roommate's new anti-rsi wrist strap arrived
12:34 matey; but not since 2010
12:34 leah; i,'m trying it. left handed one. how is this an improvement
12:34 leah; it's making my typing less comfortable
12:34 *psydruid was never open source
12:34 leah; mjg59_: i have a better solution
12:34 leah; there are nice stm32-based control units that have libre firmware
12:34 leah; of course stm32 isn't libre itself but
12:34 matey; psydruid: it seemed nice :/
12:35 leah; well, i have a nice ksger station here that takes t12 tips
12:35 leah; i do a lot with it
12:35 leah; pinepencil is shit
12:35 leah; just a shit 40w pencil tip
12:35 leah; you won't get good thermal mass with that thing
12:35 leah; i solder with mini hoof tip, k tip and d08 tip
12:35 matey; this channel is nothing but a soldering iron waving contest
12:35 leah; pencil/cone tips suck
12:35 psydruid; matey, I did think for a while that open source was just a different way to present free software, but that turned out to be less and less the case
12:36 matey; psydruid: you and bruce perens, and me
12:36 matey; perens is still in denial. or diplomatic to the point of absurdity.
12:37 leah; i suppose these carpel tunner straps are more intended for use on desktop keyboards, with qwerty layout?
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12:38 TR Bot; Replacing GAFAM (Pentagon-Connected Companies) With Freedom-Respecting Software | Techrights
12:38 leah; i'm trying it on a dvorak layout on an x200t and it's making it worse lol. this thing isn't for me though
12:38 leah; my roommate types as much as i do but shes on qwerty, so i bought her anti-rsi straps and ergo keyboard
12:38 matey; /me wonders how the strap is supposed to help
12:39 leah; imo: ergonomic mechanical keyboard with dvorak
12:39 leah; that's all you really need to prevent rsi
12:39 matey; /me has feet as backup
12:39 matey; if i ever have to type with my feet ill need slightly larger keys (if i want to do 60 wpm)
12:41 leah; so yeah this keyboard sucks
12:41 mjg59_; leah: The Pinceil runs the same firmware as the TS-80m just built for a different SoC
12:41 leah; just tried to type on it. but let's see what the intended user thinks
12:41 leah; ea,ae,a,ea,ea,ea,ejukx
12:42 leah; sorry, cat on the keyboard
12:42 mjg59_; So same as you'd run on an STM32 based device
12:42 matey; /me thought it was a keyboard test
12:42 leah; mjg59_: interesting
12:42 leah; still, does that thing have swappable tips
12:42 matey; cat is assistant keyboard tester
12:42 mjg59_; Definitely bed now thogh
12:42 leah; and controllable tip temperature
12:42 mjg59_; leah: Oh yeah, I've got 9 tips?
12:43 mjg59_; And there's thermisters int he tips
12:43 mjg59_; It's definitely nice hardware
12:43 mjg59_; I've done rework on on-board flash with it
12:44 leah; fine, let me take a look
12:44 leah; pinepencil yeah?
12:45 leah; pinecel rather
12:45 leah; 20V 3A -> 60W then
12:45 leah; not bad
12:45 leah; it says 12v-20v i assume that means... 36-60w controllable right?
12:45 leah; https://www.pine64.org/pinecil/
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12:45 TR Bot; Pinecil | PINE64
12:45 leah; not a bad starter kit
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12:48 leah; guessing it's just some pwm circuit in there right?
12:48 leah; mjg59_: pwm control circuit for that voltage
12:48 leah; 12-20v it says
12:48 leah; and that controls the wattage
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12:50 leah; mjg59_: but is it esd safe
12:51 leah; i'm assuming not, because it's usb
12:52 matey; why would pine64 offer an iron that would zap chips?
12:52 leah; yeah their site doesn't mention esd stuff
12:53 matey; i dont suppose you could just ground the tip with a wire
12:53 leah; to a heard earth
12:53 leah; hard*
12:54 matey; /me has never heard of anti-esd saoldering irons, because didnt know that was an issue with soldering irons
12:54 leah; https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/uploads/articles/Fig1m11292018.png
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12:54 leah; look at this
12:54 leah; there are pins labelled "gnu" but i those aren't aren't a hard earth. it probably ultimately feeds back to neutral, not earth
12:55 leah; though
12:55 leah; also most usb-c power supplies that plug into the wall won't have a hard earth
12:55 leah; in usaland it'll be the 2-wire cable for ac
12:55 leah; and 2-wire everywhere else
12:55 leah; (in UK, plastic earth pin on the plug)
12:55 leah; yeah that's the problem i always see with usb soldering irons
12:55 leah; no hard earth
12:56 leah; no esd protection
12:56 leah; you need a hard earth for esd protection
12:56 leah; but you could rig something up
12:56 matey; in usaland it'll be the 2-wire cable for ac <- what?
12:56 leah; yeah in us you have the 2-wire and 3-wire cables
12:56 leah; 3-wire has the earth pin
12:57 leah; going into the 3-hole sockets that look like a doomed face
12:57 matey; i dont think you know how rare 2 prong power points are there now
12:57 matey; they still exist
12:57 matey; if you can find one
12:58 matey; /me wore an anti-esd wrist strap going to the ground lead when he was like 7
12:59 matey; i suck at soldering though. luckily i enjoy computers more than electronics
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 66.38 k/sec., IPFS upstream 81.08 average k/sec., average swarm size 244.86
12:59 matey; if you need any chips destroyed with heat or something im your man
12:59 matey; i can probably ruin some diodes too
12:59 matey; but mostly i just make shitty joins
13:00 matey; granted ive never used a real soldering iron, im sure that helps a bit
13:00 leah; anyway
13:00 matey; /me isnt kidding
13:00 leah; mjg59_: if pine64 can make a nice esd-safe soldering station, that'd be great
13:00 leah; one with a hard earth
13:00 leah; look as ksger t12 stations
13:00 leah; something like that built on riscv would be great
13:01 leah; i need something with serious power for my purposes. i'm soldering all day. sometimes i install a big fat chisel tip and solder to giant ground planes that soak up a lot of heat. i doubt that pinecel could satisfy me, plus it's not esd-safe
13:03 leah; big thick ground terminals. and i obey the 2-second rule when soldering
13:04 matey; if you pick it up two seconds after dropping it, its still good
13:04 leah; "there are pins labelled gnu" lol, sorry matey i meant ground
13:04 leah; matey: no i mean the 2-second rule
13:04 matey; i know
13:04 leah; the full wetting of the joint must occur within 2 seconds
13:05 matey; /me just wants a robot that does it
13:05 leah; i looked at pinecel, one of their review videos is of a guy soldering and he violates this rule. he has his tip on the joint for like 8 seconds. without flux either, and he gets a cold solder joint
13:05 leah; that video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwvorvU5v4E
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13:05 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=CwvorvU5v4E
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13:05 matey; ill design one, it wont last a year because of the shitty solder job on it :)
13:05 TR Bot; yewtu.be | PINECIL - Soldering Iron w/a RISC-V Processor! - Invidious
13:06 matey; but ill use it to solder a second one properly
13:06 leah; matey: wanna see something cool?
13:06 matey; of course
13:06 *psydruid makes a mateybot
13:06 matey; good luck psydruid
13:06 psydruid; thanks
13:07 leah; matey: watch these two playlists, and note: they're from the year 1982, but everything said in the videos is still true today. physics hasn't changed
13:07 leah; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIT4ra6Mo0s&list=PL926EC0F1F93C1837
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13:07 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=vIT4ra6Mo0s
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13:07 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Basic Soldering Lesson 1 - "Solder & Flux" - Invidious
13:07 leah; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKX-GBe_lUI&list=PL958FF32927823D12
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13:07 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=HKX-GBe_lUI
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=HKX-GBe_lUI
13:07 TR Bot; yewtu.be | PACE Rework and Repair Lessons - "Introduction" - Invidious
13:07 matey; /me remembers 1982
13:07 matey; a little bit
13:07 leah; yeah watch the videos
13:07 *psydruid got plenty of practice soldering in his teens
13:07 matey; watching
13:07 leah; they'll teach you the best, most fundamental soldering technique
13:07 leah; don't let the fact that they're old fool you. these videos are reference material
13:08 leah; i always tell people learning soldering to start with these videos
13:08 matey; oh i learned from someone who worked for some defence contractors
13:08 matey; im just not a very good student
13:08 matey; trust me, they knew what they were doing
13:08 leah; then for smd / bga stuff, that can be learned from other resources. but you should always start at the beginning, with the very basics. and the pace videos are great
13:08 leah; pace also has great videos on their channel about multi-layer board repair
13:08 matey; leah: we had a piece of a space station in our basement
13:09 matey; and a spyplane
13:09 leah; btw
13:09 leah; the videos only talk about lead solder. that's how old they are
13:09 leah; these videos are pre-rohs
13:09 matey; thats what i worked with
13:09 leah; lol
13:09 leah; lead-free solder didn't exist when these videos were made
13:09 matey; i know
13:09 leah; never use lead-free
13:09 matey; we used a fan to blow away any smoke
13:10 matey; you dont like tin whiskers?
13:10 leah; you get better joints with lead stuff
13:11 matey; this chat is brought to you by: lead
13:11 *kingoffrance picture of saturn with scythe
13:11 leah; just use a fan and an extractor, and wear a mask with a bit of tissue
13:11 matey; too late for the mask i guess
13:11 leah; and leave all the windows open
13:12 leah; then lead solder is fine
13:12 matey; but i didnt do a lot of soldering
13:12 matey; "i dont usually solder, but when i do, i use a fan to keep the poisonous smoke away"
13:12 leah; also, wear nitrile gloves
13:12 leah; and wash your hands afterwards when you're done
13:12 matey; /me just used soap and water
13:12 matey; fortuately i did very little soldering
13:13 matey; put together a few kits
13:13 matey; made a flashlight with leds
13:13 matey; /me waited 10 or 15 years to make a blue led so we could have rgb, cmon
13:14 matey; they had infrared ones all this time, was it really that hard to coat them to make a blue one?
13:15 TR News; Free/Libre alternatives to GAFAMs Internet is the title of this talk http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/gafam-talk/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/gafam-talk/
13:15 TR Bot; Replacing GAFAM (Pentagon-Connected Companies) With Freedom-Respecting Software | Techrights
13:16 TR News; Cult gone MAD. USA thinks it's Disneyland. https://www.maketecheasier.com/apple-adds-drivers-license-to-wallet/
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13:16 TR Bot; Apple Adds Driver's License Feature to Wallet in Arizona - Make Tech Easier
13:16 TR News; "Officer, I don't have my licence with me... here's a spying device you can use to link to a computer database". This is NOT progress.
13:17 matey; i wanted to do electronics, then i got a computer
13:17 matey; turns out im not a hardware person
13:18 TR News; Maybe you should try to give ACTUAL education? https://uk.news.yahoo.com/massive-inequality-education-dedicated-volunteer-090000002.html
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13:18 TR Bot; 'There is massive inequality in education' - dedicated volunteer in running for Scotswoman of the Year
13:18 leah; i only started soldering in 2018
13:18 leah; you can learn
13:18 TR News; 1. Delete Windows. 2. Install GNU/Linux (hint: it won't cost a thing, but you lose all the malware) https://dekisoft.com/make-windows-11-look-like-linux/
=> ↺ https://dekisoft.com/make-windows-11-look-like-linux/
13:18 Alternative link; Cloudflare: dekisoft.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://dekisoft.com/make-windows-11-look-like-linux/
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13:18 TR Bot; Ways To Make Windows 11 Look Like Linux (Ubuntu/Mint) - DekiSoft
13:18 matey; ive ridden a horse too
13:19 matey; no interest in doing that again
13:19 schestowitz-TR; the horse is not interested either
13:19 matey; hey you dont know that
13:19 matey; but yeah probably not
13:20 matey; i was very lightweight at the time
13:20 matey; even more than tobey macguire
13:20 TR News; Apple attacks standards. And then fools rush to ameliorate the situation. https://www.noobslab.com/2022/03/convert-apple-music-to-mp3-pazu-apple.html
=> ↺ https://www.noobslab.com/2022/03/convert-apple-music-to-mp3-pazu-apple.html
13:20 TR Bot; Apple Music to MP3 - Pazu Apple Music Converter for Mac and Windows - NoobsLab | Eye on Digital World
13:20 matey; still i dont think its their favourite pastime
13:21 TR News; It's not protest, it is malware, and it was shipped by the same platform you are shilling for Microsoft, OSI https://opensource.org/open-source-protestware-harms-open-source
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13:21 TR Bot; Open source protestware harms Open Source | Open Source Initiative | Guaranteeing the 'our' in source...
13:22 TR News; OSI = Microsoft outpost http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/github-drives-osi/
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13:22 TR Bot; Another Rapid Escalation: Microsoft Now Runs the Open Source Initiatives Web Site, Promoting Proprietary Software in It | Techrights
13:22 matey; and we didnt have horses or any fancy shit like that
13:22 matey; this was at camp
13:23 TR News; GulagTube tolerate by land of hundred gulags https://time.com/6156927/youtube-russia-ukraine-disinformation/
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13:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: time.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://time.com/6156927/youtube-russia-ukraine-disinformation/
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13:23 TR Bot; YouTube Has Survived Russias Social Media Crackdown | Time
13:23 matey; we had just enough land for a dog or two
13:23 schestowitz-TR; I still have some photos of me on hroses
13:23 schestowitz-TR; my bodyweight was a lot less back then
13:24 matey; i feel bad for whatever poor bastard had to carry ben franklin
13:25 schestowitz-TR; they had slaves back then
13:25 matey; i dont think ben franklin rode on a slave
13:25 schestowitz-TR; try to tell them horses don't become food the moment they stopped carrying humans
13:25 schestowitz-TR; they thought of "some" humans the same way
13:25 schestowitz; not just one
13:26 schestowitz; "Franklin owned slaves from as early as 1735 until 1781. The Franklin household had six slaves;"
13:26 schestowitz; Six
13:26 schestowitz; HE HAD SIX
13:27 matey; i think the most shocking thing about it is that they didnt free them when they wrote the constitution
13:27 matey; i know there was talk of abolition
13:28 matey; i know they coudlnt make it happen with the south
13:28 matey; but what was the logic
13:28 matey; oh well, if we cant abolish slavery for everyone
13:28 matey; we can make the most of this crappy situaiton by keeping our own slaves at least?
13:28 matey; its weird
13:29 matey; but then you said
13:29 matey; until 1781
13:29 matey; so franklin at least...
13:29 schestowitz-TR; franklin: i am not bad
13:29 schestowitz-TR; I only had six
13:29 schestowitz-TR; I could afford a lot more
13:29 schestowitz-TR; I stopped at six
13:29 schestowitz-TR; and I had no sex with them
13:30 schestowitz-TR; iirc, some had dozens
13:30 schestowitz-TR; past presidents
13:30 matey; so the drafting of the constitution began in 1787
13:30 matey; owning slaves was common
13:31 matey; england used to have them as well
13:31 matey; and really, the situation with servants in england even in 1900 wasnt super-great
13:31 matey; until the labour party existed,
13:31 TR News; "However, as a beginning, we often have problems choosing the best educational journey, and we usually wind up squandering a substantial amount of time trying to figure out which resource is the best." https://www.unixmen.com/ways-to-learn-python-fast-efficiently/
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13:31 Alternative link; Cloudflare: unixmen.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.unixmen.com/ways-to-learn-python-fast-efficiently/
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13:31 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.unixmen.com/ways-to-learn-python-fast-efficiently/ )
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13:31 matey; it wasnt slavery, it was a step up at least
13:31 matey; anyway
13:32 matey; when they were writing the constitution, they did talk of abolishing slavery
13:32 matey; they couldnt get the south to agree
13:32 TR News; "Windows 10 and Windows 11 users, you need to take immediate action. A serious vulnerability has been discovered in both platforms which Microsoft has not only failed to patch, but actually made worse. Heres everything you need to know." https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2022/03/23/microsoft-windows-11-windows-10-hack-attack-zero-day-new-windows-update/ http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/vista-11-bleeding/
=> ↺ https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2022/03/23/microsoft-windows-11-windows-10-hack-attack-zero-day-new-windows-update/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/vista-11-bleeding/
13:32 Alternative link; Cloudflare: forbes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2022/03/23/microsoft-windows-11-windows-10-hack-attack-zero-day-new-windows-update/
13:32 matey; but this was in 1787
13:32 TR Bot; Microsoft Just Gave A Billion Users A Reason To Quit Windows
13:32 TR Bot; Windows is Dying Despite Vista 11 Hype | Techrights
13:32 matey; and franklin freed his slaves (i guess) years before that even
13:32 matey; jefferson on the other hand, i dont know when/if he did
13:33 kingoffrance; well, not advocating it, but imagine you were told xyz source code would be released, and you can see it on your taxes the next x years
13:33 TR News; "In kernel version 5.17, both /dev/random and /dev/urandom have been replaced with a new identical algorithm based on the BLAKE2 hash function, which is an excellent security improvement." Is Bruce Schneier still using Windows? https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/03/linux-improves-its-random-number-generator.html
=> ↺ https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/03/linux-improves-its-random-number-generator.html
13:33 TR Bot; Improves Its Random Number Generator - Schneier on Security
13:34 TR News; Networking for 5.18 https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220323180738.3978487-1-kuba@kernel.org/
=> ↺ https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220323180738.3978487-1-kuba@kernel.org/
13:34 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] Networking for 5.18 - Jakub Kicinski
13:35 matey; i think the main thing is
13:35 matey; it was practiced
13:35 TR News; drm for 5.18-rc1 https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAPM=9tytg5jd_i3z3C5Y1dii2-cgO11Gjgvaq8qoWn3CGfCreg@mail.gmail.com/
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13:35 TR Bot; [git pull] drm for 5.18-rc1 - Dave Airlie
13:35 matey; it was a really stupid, horrible practice
13:35 matey; and eventually it was done away with, as it should have been sooner
13:35 TR News; Crypto Update for 5.18 https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/Yje766s7fIqYg1Tk@gondor.apana.org.au/
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13:35 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 5.18 - Herbert Xu
13:36 matey; i cant fathom how anyone thought it was ok in the first place
13:36 matey; people might say the same about capitalism someday
13:36 kingoffrance; because pharoah was king of astrology
13:37 *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights
13:39 TR News; 7 Reasons to Try Open Source Secure Messenger Threema Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162940
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13:39 TR Bot; 7 Reasons to Try Open Source Secure Messenger 'Threema' | Tux Machines
13:40 TR News; KDE neon 20220324 https://neon.kde.org/
13:40 Alternative link; Cloudflare: kde.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://neon.kde.org/
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13:40 TR Bot; KDE neon
13:41 TR News; SmartOS 20220324 released http://smartos.org/
13:41 TR Bot; Joyent
13:42 matey; because pharoah was king of astrology <- and wishful thinking
13:42 TR News; "Ready to dive into a long strategy game this weekend? Humble Bundle has the "Europa Universalis IV Complete Collection" available in a nice bundle. Not entirely complete though, since one of them is a 10% discount but it's good enough to be mostly complete." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/europa-universalis-iv-complete-collection-available-on-humble-bundle/
13:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/europa-universalis-iv-complete-collection-available-on-humble-bundle/
13:42 TR Bot; Universalis IV Complete Collection available on Humble Bundle | GamingOnLinux
13:42 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162941
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13:42 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
13:43 kingoffrance; well, now its east vs west, so same old, anyways...
13:44 matey; nothing new under the sun god
13:45 kingoffrance; yes!
13:46 kingoffrance; tell us about these defense contractors
13:46 matey; i could tell you but then...
13:46 kingoffrance; woz said (dont quote me, see videos yourself) transistors came about because military/air force needed them. that is what made them affordable/mainstream anyways
13:46 kingoffrance; no, i mean tech
13:47 matey; grace hopper worked for them too
13:47 psydroid2; amazing grace hopper
13:48 matey; this was before i was born
13:48 matey; after i was born it was strictly telecom industry
13:48 kingoffrance; << we had a piece of a space station in our basement and a spyplane
13:48 matey; yep
13:48 matey; we did
13:49 matey; id say which ones, but that would pretty much say where i grew up
13:50 MinceR; a "free speech extremist" supporting a dictator well known to have violated free speech many times, violently. how curious.
13:50 matey; crystalmath compartmentalises a little
13:52 matey; kingoffrance if i told you what i saw you wouldnt be very impressed
13:52 matey; the most impressive part about it ive already said
13:52 kingoffrance; nah, im just wondering types of computers/software/environment
13:52 matey; i can tell you what i used at least
13:52 kingoffrance; that sort of thing, what everyone thought was just aroundt he corner
13:52 matey; i learned how to code on a pcjr
13:52 kingoffrance; or would be the next thing
13:53 matey; after that it was generic intel stuff
13:53 psydroid2; I was born during the days of grace hopper and I must say everything she did was simply amazing
13:53 matey; props to letterman for having her on the show
13:53 MinceR; 24 060623 < matey> Ariadne alpine is based on something other than gnu libc right?
13:53 MinceR; it's based on musl libc
13:54 matey; mincer i thought it was musl
13:54 psydroid2; was she ever on his show?
13:54 matey; look up grace hopper letterman on youtube
13:55 matey; my question is if musl can be compiled with tinycc
13:55 matey; or if it needs gcc/llvm
13:55 matey; obviously newer versions of linux wont compile with tinycc, but old ones will
13:55 matey; mincer: the gist of it was trying to figure out how much activelow is reproducting alpine
13:55 matey; its definitely not the same
13:56 matey; so im trying to figure out the degree of overlap
13:57 matey; alpine would never use an older kernel just to avoid llvm, afaik
13:58 kingoffrance; im not sure, i thought activelow was using gentoo somewhat, at least to ease bootstrap
13:59 matey; right, i think so
14:00 matey; that sort of thing, what everyone thought was just aroundt he corner <- imo i made better predictions than my predecessor
14:00 matey; and at a much younger age
14:01 kingoffrance; go on...
14:01 matey; he made more profitable (and immediately useful) predictions
14:01 matey; kingoffrance i predicted fpgas, thumbdrives, and flac
14:02 matey; also blue leds i suppose
14:02 MinceR; matey: activelow's is the only distro i know of that deliberately sticks to an old version of Linux, or an old version of gcc
14:02 matey; MinceR for the same reason
14:02 *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights
14:02 matey; to avoid c++ to compile c
14:02 MinceR; in general, people are too wary of security holes to do something like that
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14:03 matey; in general, people are too wary of security holes <- yes
14:03 matey; to be fair
14:03 matey; or should i say generous
14:03 matey; people have the same concern about palemoon
14:03 XRevan86; Or maybe of the various performance implications.
14:04 matey; according to moonchild, backporting security fixes isnt THAT hard
14:04 matey; but a browser isnt a kernel
14:04 matey; then again, firefox might as well be an os
14:04 XRevan86; TinyCC is just as nave as one might think it is.
14:05 psydroid2; what is the problem with it?
14:05 XRevan86; psydroid2: If it has optimisations, I couldn't find any.
14:06 XRevan86; Linux is written assuming a compiler that optimises.
14:06 psydroid2; how much difference does optimisation make for standard code?
14:07 psydroid2; a compiler could optimise by default, couldn't it?
14:07 psydroid2; or is that considered risky?
14:07 XRevan86; psydroid2: There's no such thing as "standard code", depending on luck the compiled code might be extremely slow.
14:08 XRevan86; psydroid2: The point is that TinyCC just can't, it's too simplistic.
14:08 psydroid2; XRevan86, same as that I don't know if Linux can be considered so "special" that it needs those optimisations
14:09 XRevan86; psydroid2: "-O2" is not usually considered special.
14:09 psydroid2; I would like to see some benchmarks for code compiled using TinyCC, GCC, Clang, PCC and other compilers
14:10 psydroid2; sometimes a faster compiler may be preferrable and sometimes a better optimising compiler
14:10 psydroid2; preferable*
14:10 matey; https://colfaxresearch.com/compiler-comparison/
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14:10 TR Bot; A Performance-Based Comparison of C/C++ Compilers | Colfax Research
14:10 TR News; Nala: A Beautiful and Structured Frontend for the APT Command - TREND OCEANS
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14:10 TR Bot; Nala: A Beautiful and Structured Frontend for the APT Command - TREND OCEANS
14:11 matey; https://davmac.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/c-compiler-benchmarks/
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14:11 TR Bot; C Compiler Benchmarks Software is Crap
14:11 TR News; GNU/Linux is better at security, it's not designed to have back doors https://unixcop.com/linux-is-virus-proof-really/
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14:11 TR Bot; Linux is Virus Proof! Really? - Unix / Linux the admins Tutorials
14:12 XRevan86; psydroid2: The fact is that it will definitely underperform, just how badly to know that one would need to actually try.
14:12 TR News; Nala: A Beautiful and Structured Frontend for the APT Command - TREND OCEANS https://trendoceans.com/nala-package-manager/
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14:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: trendoceans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://trendoceans.com/nala-package-manager/
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14:13 psydroid2; I wonder if there are any numbers for TinyCC and PCC
14:13 XRevan86; psydroid2: Imagine taking millions of lines of code and throwing them into an environment that is definitely not doing enough.
14:13 psydroid2; activelow might have some data for us
14:13 matey; https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/fastest/c.html
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14:13 TR Bot; C gccvsC clang - Which programs are fastest?
14:14 XRevan86; Not only will there be unexpected problems, there will also be expected problems.
14:14 TR News; Arduino Braccio++ robotic arm is designed for high-school and university students - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/24/arduino-braccio-robotic-arm-is-designed-for-high-school-and-university-students/
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14:14 TR Bot; Arduino Braccio++ robotic arm is designed for high-school and university students - CNX Software
14:14 XRevan86; It's just a guaranteed bad idea without a team of competent people who are ready to fix all of this.
14:15 XRevan86; If activelow were willing to add the missing pieces to tinycc, it would have been one thing, but even with C standard compliance he picks crippling Linux.
14:16 psydroid2; so people should stick with GCC and Clang at all times?
14:16 matey; psydroid2 https://www.dwheeler.com/trusting-trust
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14:16 TR Bot; timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.dwheeler.com/trusting-trust )
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14:16 TR News; "But also when constructing a RAID each NVMe gives around 300-600 MB/s in sync speed except for one exception: RAID1." https://blog.windfluechter.net/2022/03/24/new-server-nvme-issues/
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14:16 TR Bot; New Server NVMe Issues WindfluechterNet Blog
14:17 XRevan86; psydroid2: Before Clang came about, it was just GCC. It's not like it's impossible to write another compiler m
14:17 matey; that might explain his interest in tinycc
14:18 psydroid2; I wonder what's a state-of-the-art book on compiler construction
14:18 psydroid2; other than the one my professor co-wrote
14:18 TR News; ICBM has turned Red Hat into clown clown clown https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-insights-whats-new-early-2022
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14:19 TR Bot; Red Hat Insights: What's new in early 2022
14:19 matey; https://drh.github.io/lcc/ http://www.cpm.z80.de/small_c.html
=> ↺ https://drh.github.io/lcc/
=> ↺ http://www.cpm.z80.de/small_c.html
14:19 TR Bot; lcc, A Retargetable Compiler for ANSI C
14:19 TR Bot; SMALL C Files
14:19 psydroid2; not that I would want to deal with that now, but it looks interesting
14:19 XRevan86; It's like if he complains about vendor lock-in in the transmission, and wants to replace it with a stick.
14:20 XRevan86; The instrument is too shit, give up.
14:20 TR News; "Okay you might ask, whats the news here? Weve been able to get HTTP response headers with curl since virtually the stone age. Yes we have." https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/24/easier-header-picking-with-curl/
=> ↺ https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/24/easier-header-picking-with-curl/
14:20 Alternative link; Cloudflare: haxx.se | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/24/easier-header-picking-with-curl/
14:20 TR Bot; header-picking with curl | daniel.haxx.se
14:23 XRevan86; psydroid2, matey: "so people should stick with GCC and Clang at all times?" <- Ye two treat him as if he is some mad genius that is trying to write a pure C compiler.
14:23 XRevan86; He just takes existing abandonware and complains that Linux doesn't compile with it.
14:24 psydroid2; XRevan86, I don't treat him like that at all, I just want to know what his findings are
14:24 psydroid2; I would never do what he is doing
14:24 XRevan86; psydroid2: I didn't see any new reports, so I'm assuming he's still on the "Linux doesn't compile" stage.
14:24 matey; psydroid2, matey: "so people should stick with GCC and Clang at all times?" <- Ye two treat him as if he is some mad genius that is trying to write a pure C compiler. <- not at all
14:25 matey; he could be a total hack, it wouldnt matter
14:25 matey; im not switching back to gnu/linux
14:25 XRevan86; matey: From what?
14:25 matey; openbsd
14:26 XRevan86; matey: OpenBSD is GCC/Clang only for the same exact reason.
14:26 matey; i understand that
14:26 XRevan86; ctivelow could've said the exact same things about OpenBSD.
14:26 matey; XRevan86 youre making assumptions about motivations here that are reasonable, but incorrect
14:26 XRevan86; His target just happened to be Linux.
14:27 matey; ctivelow could've said the exact same things about OpenBSD. <- he already has
14:27 matey; imo his dismissal of bsd is silly
14:27 matey; but
14:27 matey; hes doing his thing
14:27 XRevan86; There isn't an OS kernel that willingly limits itself to what one shitty compiler can do.
14:28 matey; how come all the non-shitty c compilers require c++
14:28 matey; that seems odd
14:28 TR News; 10 Free and Open Source Audio Programming Languages Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162942
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14:28 TR Bot; 10 Free and Open Source Audio Programming Languages | Tux Machines
14:28 XRevan86; matey: Seems like that's how the cookie crumbled.
14:28 activelow; XRevan86: wrong, it was OpenBSD first to re-consider compilers, and verified portable c compiler (pcc)
14:29 TR News; Budibase: An Open-Source Low-Code Platform to Build Modern Business Apps Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162943
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14:29 TR Bot; Budibase: An Open-Source Low-Code Platform to Build Modern Business Apps | Tux Machines
14:29 XRevan86; activelow: What happen afterwards?
14:29 XRevan86; happened
14:30 activelow; not entirely sure; besides it was x86 they succeeded with, hardware i will not touch ever again in my life anyway
14:30 activelow; similar situation with TinyCC, which some developer from Suse (susematz), verified he could compile Linux-4.4 with it (not all of it though)
14:30 XRevan86; I suspect that PCC's development stalled, it became a burden and was yeeted from OpenBSD eventually.
14:31 activelow; I suspect, both TinyCC and PCC were stable compilers already, yet this wasn't good enough for some certain people
14:31 XRevan86; (for some certain everyone)
14:32 kingoffrance; i will believe at some point, if only for ports...browsers and other things need c++. so they would have to maintain/port gcc/clang/whatever
14:32 kingoffrance; *i suspect that at some point
14:32 kingoffrance; so then it becomes maintain one or two?
14:32 activelow; same with GCC which was stabilized decades ago, and then was "improved" upon regularly, to support a shitload of proprietary hardware extensions
14:32 TR News; 6 Android Games that dont need the Internet to play https://linuxtechlab.com/6-android-games-that-dont-need-the-internet-to-play/
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14:32 Alternative link; Cloudflare: linuxtechlab.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxtechlab.com/6-android-games-that-dont-need-the-internet-to-play/
14:32 TR Bot; Android Games that dont need the Internet to play - LinuxTechLab
14:33 activelow; kingoffrance: chances are a huge amount of userspace can be compiled without c++ too, including GTK/netsurf-browser/Xorg
14:33 kingoffrance; true, i remember when pcc was talked, just my theory why it was "abandoned"
14:33 kingoffrance; *talked about. sorry typo mania today
14:34 kingoffrance; i didnt really use openbsd, but remember that
14:34 XRevan86; kingoffrance: GCC was a C++ compiler too even when it was written in C.
14:34 kingoffrance; sure, im saying why the pcc plan went nowhere
14:34 matey; GCC was a C++ compiler too even when it was written in C <- originally gnu c compiler
14:34 matey; now gnu compiler collection
14:35 matey; youre saying it did c++ even when it was the gnu c compiler?
14:35 TR News; "Exploration attracted me to Gemini. I delighted in the spaces people created - each corner unique - a window onto another life without the blandness of a platform. For me, it re-kindled the early web." gemini://caolan.uk/desk/2021-03-04_gemini_in_tension.gmi
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14:35 XRevan86; matey: pre-4.8 obviously.
14:36 matey; oh of course
14:37 activelow; there is various practical issues, to provide a glimpse, what i am struggling with
14:37 matey; but c is, unless im wrong
14:37 matey; a much simpler language than c++
14:37 matey; to implement
14:37 TR News; "...and Spartan was mentioned, so I tried implementing that in my client. There are a few servers running, so there was some content to look at. It's pretty straightforward. Besides TLS, there are a few differences from Gemini, but they're simple enough" gemini://freeshell.de/gemlog/2022-02-21_Trying_Spartan.gmi
=> ↺ gemini://freeshell.de/gemlog/2022-02-21_Trying_Spartan.gmi
14:37 matey; so implementing c++ in c is hardly the same as implementing c in c++
14:37 matey; in terms of overhead
14:37 activelow; for example: the ARM SBC i got to work with require a recent kernel and u-boot loader version, which builds a dependency graph
14:37 MinceR; (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1ZkWpCFxgs
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14:37 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=A1ZkWpCFxgs
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=A1ZkWpCFxgs
14:37 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Cat cleaning herself on the wall is very affectionate and cute - Invidious
14:37 *CrystalMath (~coderain@fjnua4vbj783q.irc) has joined #techrights
14:37 matey; and bootstrapping
14:38 activelow; meaning, although i can compile kernel and userspace with gcc-4.7 (or TinyCC), i do need an aarch64 kernel and recent u-boot; gcc-4.7 doesn't support aarch64
14:38 XRevan86; matey: Indeed, but it is still not a small feat, also evident by the fact that there is no other C compiler out there that would compete with GCC and Clang.
14:38 XRevan86; (activelow is welcome to write one)
14:38 activelow; a recent u-boot loader version introduced some dependency against python/swift ... which is written in c++; so to compile this new u-boot loader i need yet another cross-compiler
14:39 matey; also evident by the fact <- its not just a matter of possibility <- why would they bother
14:40 activelow; then i was thinking, to acquire some old aarch32 SBC to work with, however there isn't almost any shipped anymore
14:40 matey; whats the incentive to create a compiler that competes with gcc or clang?
14:40 matey; if theres no incentive, it hardly matters whether its possible or not
14:41 activelow; TinyCC (which was more actively maintained recently) is fast, it was known to be capable to bootstrap GCC
14:41 activelow; just one issue, since the bootstrapping of GCC arrived at a dead end too
14:41 matey; it was devloped from 2001 to 2012, abandoned, and interest has picked up again
14:41 TR News; "Gaijin Entertainment's online combat game War Thunder has another massive upgrade with 'Wind of Change' out now bringing in lots of enhancements." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/war-thunder-major-update-wind-of-change-out-now
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14:41 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/war-thunder-major-update-wind-of-change-out-now
14:41 XRevan86; "fast" as in "fast to compile" is not what people want the compiler to be "fast" about.
14:41 TR Bot; Thunder major update 'Wind of Change' out now | GamingOnLinux
14:41 matey; "fast" as in "fast to compile" is not what people want the compiler to be "fast" about. <- its what activelow wants
14:42 TR News; "Voidpoint has confirmed that while they're deep in development on Ion Fury: Aftershock, it won't be releasing soon." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/ion-fury-aftershock-expansion-gets-delayed-with-no-set-date-now
14:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/ion-fury-aftershock-expansion-gets-delayed-with-no-set-date-now
14:42 TR Bot; Fury: Aftershock expansion gets delayed with no set date now | GamingOnLinux
14:42 activelow; compile-time TinyCC isn't only fast, it is blazing fast, and runtime-performance is good; TinyCC operates at the sweet spot of the trade-off between compile-time optimization and run-time performance
14:42 psydroid2; "not needing much memory" is something I want
14:42 activelow; TinyCC is ~10x faster compile-time
14:43 activelow; PCC reported similar results
14:43 psydroid2; because with only 2 GB of RAM in my Orange Pi I just can't compile some things such as Linux or Racket on the hardware itself
14:43 matey; the arguments i hear against tinycc remind me too much of the ones against python 2
14:43 activelow; psydroid2: wrong, you can, even with gcc, although that's not fun anymore to do
14:43 matey; i have no use for python 3-- ive used it extensively
14:44 matey; i might as well use another language, if python 3 is the only option
14:44 psydroid2; activelow, it wouldn't work with even 1 job for me
14:44 matey; activelow, it wouldn't work with even 1 job for me <- psydroid: what wouldnt
14:44 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162944
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14:44 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
14:44 psydroid2; so maybe I am doing something wrong, but I haven't built a kernel on that machine in years
14:44 activelow; i can compile an entire distro/firmware image on an a53 quadcore with 1GiB RAM; with gcc-4.7
14:44 psydroid2; matey, build a kernel for the hardware on the hardware itself
14:45 matey; python 2 vs 3 vs users https://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/blogs/lxo/pub/new-dawn.en.html
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14:45 TR Bot; ::[FSFLA]:: A New Dawn for Software Freedom
14:45 matey; right
14:45 psydroid2; well, I don't have gcc 4.7 anymore
14:45 matey; psydroid2: did you notice when leah said there are 10 versions of gnu libc being maintained?
14:45 activelow; anyway, yesterday, i hit another bug, since gcc-4.7 doesn't support aarch64 and the ARM SBC i got requires an aarch64 kernel
14:46 matey; why would there even need to be 10
14:46 matey; unless theyre breaking things that dont need to be broken?
14:46 psydroid2; matey, I must have missed that
14:46 matey; i appreciate that theyre not simply dropping support where its needed
14:46 activelow; i compiled an aarch64 kernel with an aarch32 userspace on top; however with this setup i am hitting a nasty bug with nilfs2 userspace utilities
14:46 matey; but its also disturing that its needed!
14:46 activelow; another few days debugging
14:46 matey; leah says this means its fails at its mission of being a portable library
14:47 matey; which might be a bit harsh (slightly untrue) but still
14:47 activelow; and this type of bugs and problems are the ones, which lectured a lesson here; to refrain from git-pull anything anymore
14:47 psydroid2; I don't think there is any software that is developed in a portable way from the very beginning
14:47 activelow; the other one, i'll have a look at today, is GCC/linker adding stuff non-reproducible, which it should not need not
14:48 TR News; GNOME 42 Released! See Whats New in the Desktop of Ubuntu 22.04 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162912#comment-33176
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14:48 TR Bot; GNOME 42 Desktop Environment Is Out with New Screenshot UI, GTK4 Apps, and Dark Mode | Tux Machines
14:48 psydroid2; things are still very x86-centric (and these days ARM-centric)
14:48 matey; unix was developed in a portable way from the very beginning
14:48 matey; but that was 40 years ago
14:48 psydroid2; it's why I have kept hardware on multiple architectures around
14:49 psydroid2; but I remember all the bus errors I got on SPARC
14:49 psydroid2; and in my QEMU Alpha machine the alignment fixups in the kernel due to a "suboptimal" userland
14:50 matey; qemu: same author as tinyc
14:50 matey; tinycc
14:50 activelow; so, instead of implementing some missing asm processing for TinyCC (to compile musl-libc/kernel etc.); i am wasting my time with nonsense problems
14:51 matey; and that answers my question from earlier
14:51 matey; will tinycc compile musl
14:51 matey; no
14:51 activelow; and i already know why that is
14:52 activelow; because TinyCC needs to process some ASM, which some opcodes are not supported for with aarch32; and aar64 ASM processing isn't implemented at all with TinyCC yet
14:53 activelow; nonetheless, if there was any high priority task, maintenance of TinyCC is one of such
14:53 TR News; "[00:02:00] Jorge is into Flatpak. And theres quite a lot to talk about here. This is very much about the Linux desktop, distribution of applications, and how things have changed; stuff has certainly happened since the last time we looked at this, and its worth getting into. Lets talk about what flatpak means today" https://www.badvoltage.org/2022/03/24/3x43/
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14:53 Alternative link; Cloudflare: badvoltage.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.badvoltage.org/2022/03/24/3x43/
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14:53 TR Bot; 343: Self Assembly | Bad Voltage
14:53 activelow; including compilation of Linux kernel with it; bootstrapping/compiling gcc-4.7 (which was verified by some other project already)
14:53 activelow; compilation of u-boot loader with TinyCC; integration with gentoo tooling or any other maintenance scripting
14:54 activelow; matey: and they real showstopper to re-think TinyCC or any other is this, hardware support
14:55 activelow; since, ARM (aarch64 and aarch32) are both proprietary closed-source hardware
14:55 activelow; which means, anytime some Errata with ARM potentially can kill a man-year of development effort
14:57 matey; but when has that ever happened?
14:57 TR News; Linux gaming is better than Windows sometimes - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=i9Op7Xa5eKs
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14:57 TR Bot; Linux gaming is better than Windows sometimes - Invidious
14:57 activelow; matey: yes.
14:57 TR News; Portenta X8 is the first Linux Arduino board Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162945
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14:57 TR Bot; Portenta X8 is the first Linux Arduino board | Tux Machines
14:58 matey; no, i mean when
14:58 matey; one example evem
14:58 matey; n
14:58 activelow; there is a long list of ARM Errata (coped with by kernel, simply see make menuconfig) and gcc manpage
14:58 matey; when has a man-year of dev effort been killed by this
14:59 activelow; and with X86/X86_64 the spectre/meltdown fuckery
14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 45.43 k/sec., IPFS upstream 68.85 average k/sec., average swarm size 241.53
15:00 XRevan86; https://smbc-comics.com/comic/dunno
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15:00 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Dunno
15:02 matey; ok so youre saying
15:02 matey; arm is just as vulnerably as x86 in this regard
15:03 matey; /me gives up on typing
15:03 TR News; Education International, ITUC and the Global Push to inject the 4IR and Transhumanism into Schools https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/03/investigative-series/education-international-and-the-global-push-to-inject-the-4ir-and-transhumanism-into-schools/
15:03 Alternative link; Cloudflare: unlimitedhangout.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/03/investigative-series/education-international-and-the-global-push-to-inject-the-4ir-and-transhumanism-into-schools/
15:03 TR Bot; Education International, ITUC and the Global Push to inject the 4IR and Transhumanism into Schools
15:04 MinceR; everything that does speculative execution is vulnerable to "the spectre/meltdown fuckery"
15:04 TR News; Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 4.0 alpha 5 https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-4-0-alpha-5
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15:04 Alternative link; Cloudflare: godotengine.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-4-0-alpha-5
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15:04 matey; /me nods
15:04 TR Bot; Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 4.0 alpha 5
15:04 TR News; Shattered Pixel Dungeon arrives on Steam eight years later | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/shattered-pixel-dungeon-arrives-on-steam-eight-years-later
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15:04 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/shattered-pixel-dungeon-arrives-on-steam-eight-years-later
15:04 TR Bot; Pixel Dungeon arrives on Steam eight years later | GamingOnLinux
15:04 matey; okay
15:05 activelow; it was only two examples, if any compiler had to target unstable/unreliable proprietary hardware
15:05 activelow; btw. Airbus chose SPARC leon, which is opensource
15:06 activelow; yet, TinyCC doesn't support sparc iirc, pcc does support sparc;
15:06 activelow; in any case, i haven't got sparc hardware, nor am i willing to acquire such
15:07 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162946
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15:07 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
15:09 TR News; WWW = spam. FOSSLife with LF connection links to zdnet webSPAM SPONSORED by LF. WWW = webspam source. Bought and paid for propaganda, for a diploma mill in this case. https://www.fosslife.org/linux-foundation-offers-cloud-native-developer-bootcamp
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15:09 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Offers Cloud-Native Developer Bootcamp
15:10 MinceR; http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/catholic-converter.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/05/the-power-of-chrysler-compels-you/ )
=> ↺ http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/catholic-converter.jpg
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15:10 Alternative link; Cloudflare: engrish.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/catholic-converter.jpg
15:10 TR Bot; The power of Chrysler compels you
15:10 TR News; The government can seize your messages in secret. Lawmakers want you to know if it does. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/22/government-can-seize-your-messages-secret-lawmakers-want-you-know-if-it-does/ publisher owned by a sociopath whose marriage collapsed due to leaks communications
15:10 Alternative link; Cloudflare: washingtonpost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/22/government-can-seize-your-messages-secret-lawmakers-want-you-know-if-it-does/
15:10 TR News; Games: Europa Universalis, War Thunder, Godot 4.0 alpha 5, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162947
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15:10 TR Bot; The government can seize your messages in secret. Lawmakers want you to know if it does. - The Washington Post
15:10 TR Bot; Games: Europa Universalis, War Thunder, Godot 4.0 alpha 5, and More | Tux Machines
15:11 matey; /me wants to meet whoever writes the urls for engrish
15:11 MinceR; :)
15:11 matey; i still remember the first time i saw that website, in 2003 or 2004
15:11 TR News; "I moved to Amsterdam in July 2021, and now that Ive had some time to settle in I thought Id share my thoughts on how its been so far. In short: I love it here!" https://drewdevault.com/2022/03/24/Netherlands-update.html Ariadne ^
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15:11 TR Bot; The Netherlands so far
15:11 MinceR; i think the page urls come from the caption and users can suggest captions
15:12 matey; makes sense
15:12 matey; no way one person could write all those
15:13 matey; student centre, several yards from the information desk
15:13 matey; friend of mine told me about it
15:13 matey; couldnt stop giggling
15:13 TR News; Qt for Android Automotive 6.2.4 released https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-android-automotive-6.2.4-released
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15:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: qt.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-android-automotive-6.2.4-released
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15:13 TR Bot; Qt for Android Automotive 6.2.4 released
15:14 matey; the first engrish i ever saw though was about 10-15 years earlier
15:14 TR News; This is a Windows issue, not a "Linux" issue; in fact, WSL is clearly an attack on GNU/Linux https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/lumen-security-research-reveals-threats-still-lurk-in-windows-subsystem-for-linux-301509340.html
15:14 Alternative link; Cloudflare: prnewswire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/lumen-security-research-reveals-threats-still-lurk-in-windows-subsystem-for-linux-301509340.html
15:14 TR Bot; Lumen security research reveals threats still lurk in Windows Subsystem for Linux
15:14 matey; japanese hairstylist, replaced the "sprite" button on the vending machine
15:15 matey; deliberately labelled it "splite"
15:15 MinceR; :)
15:15 TR News; WSL dangerous? GOOD! Than stop using it. Move to GNU/Linux instead.
15:16 matey; im hoping that a hispanic hairstylist came in later
15:16 matey; and relabelled it ESplite
15:17 matey; or just "fanta"
15:17 MinceR; or 7up
15:18 matey; 7up was the one you wanted when you didnt want to be overpowered by the lemon and lime
15:18 matey; if you wanted lemon lime you wanted sprite
15:18 MinceR; lol
15:18 matey; if you wanted to mix stuff you used 7up
15:18 matey; then they ruined it
15:18 matey; 7up is like a cloying sprite now
15:19 matey; /me wants 7up classic
15:19 *MinceR wants pepsi wild cherry
15:19 matey; of course i dont drink soda anymore
15:19 matey; you cant get pepsi wild cherry?
15:19 MinceR; i drink soda occasionally
15:19 matey; oh youre in hungary
15:19 MinceR; i can't get it anymore
15:19 matey; they have mango now
15:19 matey; i havent tried it
15:20 MinceR; mango isn't nearly as good
15:20 MinceR; also, i want nitro pepsi
15:20 matey; i never thought mango and pepsi would go together
15:20 matey; ive heard good things
15:26 matey; get some grenadine and make your own cherry pepsi
15:26 MinceR; grenadine is made from pomegranate, not cherry
15:26 MinceR; it probably doesn't contain any benzaldehyde
15:27 matey; and honey nut cheerios is flavoured with apricot pits, not nuts
15:27 matey; but ive never tasted pomegranate in grenadine
15:28 matey; i suppose you could just buy cherries and use the syrup
15:28 MinceR; marzipan-persipan mix is nice too
15:28 matey; never heard of persipan
15:28 MinceR; well, i have cherry cordial, i could just drink that
15:28 MinceR; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persipan
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15:28 TR News; Links 24/3/2022: Kernel Focus and Godot 4.0 Alpha 5 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/godot-4-0-alpha-5/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/24/godot-4-0-alpha-5/
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15:28 TR Bot; Persipan - Wikipedia
15:28 TR Bot; Links 24/3/2022: Kernel Focus and Godot 4.0 Alpha 5 | Techrights
15:28 matey; it creeps me out that smirnof tastes exactly like what it says
15:29 TR News; Proprietary Software and FUD Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162948
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15:29 TR Bot; Proprietary Software and FUD | Tux Machines
15:29 matey; the blueberry one tastes like blueberry
15:29 matey; thats fucked
15:29 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162949
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15:29 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
15:29 matey; they all taste exactly like they say
15:29 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162950
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15:29 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
15:29 matey; how the fuck do they do that
15:29 matey; and the unflavoured one tastes like vodka
15:30 MinceR; :)
15:31 leah; matey: it's not 10, i'm just approximating, but i know it's at least 3
15:31 matey; but 3 isnt such a crime
15:31 leah; look for "bootstrap" scripts included in gnu projects
15:31 matey; i hear theyre blobby
15:31 matey; (whether true or not)
15:32 leah; in any case, gnu coding standards is not something that we should still be using in 2022
15:32 matey; yeah i heard
15:32 matey; something you and mjg agree on i think
15:32 leah; btw fun fact bsd started in the 80s too, just like gnu did
15:32 matey; oh i have a timeline, yes
15:32 leah; at least i'm pretty sure it did
15:33 matey; wait ill check the timeline
15:33 MinceR; i thought BSD started in the 70s
15:33 matey; * 2.9bsd becomes the first version of bsd that is a full operating system rather than a set of applications and patches
15:33 matey; 1983 same year as gnu was announced
15:34 matey; mincer: bsd started as patches
15:34 MinceR; the set of applications and patches was called BSD too, and it's the ancestor of that :>
15:34 matey; yes
15:34 matey; gnu hurd started in 1990, one year before linux kernel
15:34 matey; 92 was first freely licensed version of linux
15:35 matey; 1994: * june: 4.4bsd-lite is a freely-distributable version of bsd following the settlement of the at&t lawsuit
15:35 matey; thats the date that means the most
15:35 matey; imo
15:35 matey; then july of 96 first openbsd
15:36 TR News; "I also have anxiety, just like anybody else. The recent company acquisition & reorganization, the COVID-19 pandemic, the upcoming general elections, or the Russian attack all make sure that once a problem is over, there is a new problem already to worry about." https://peter.czanik.hu/posts/dealing-with-anxiety/
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15:36 TR Bot; Dealing With Anxiety | Random thoughts of Peter 'CzP' Czanik
15:37 TR News; "Do you know where your most-used files and directories are? Sure, there's more than a few commands you can run to find out, but ncdu is a great tool for this purpose. Using ncdu, you can scan your entire hard disk (or any mounted filesystem) and determine where your storage pain points are - and take action!" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=nj8HtCNYOsU
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15:37 TR Bot; Awesome Linux Tools - ncdu, Scan your Hard Disk and free up Space! - Invidious
15:38 matey; then in 2011 rms retired as chief gnuisance but only halfway
15:39 matey; in 2015 he pretty much abdicated completely
15:39 matey; in 2018 his resignation was faked
15:39 matey; then in 2021 he faked his return
15:40 matey; or we will see
15:41 TR News; More proprietary software: "Exploitable remotely/low attack complexity" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-083-02 "Successful exploitation of this vulnerability could allow arbitrary operating system commands injection."
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15:41 TR Bot; mySCADA myPRO | CISA
15:42 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO: "CENTUM and Exaopc have a DLL injection vulnerability and a DLL planting vulnerability using the DLL search order vulnerability. See this link for further details on this exploit type." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-083-01
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15:42 TR Bot; Yokogawa CENTUM and Exaopc | CISA
15:50 TR News; According to this, about 60% of the Web traffic in Poland comes from Android https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/poland/#monthly-200901-202203
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15:50 Alternative link; Cloudflare: statcounter.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/poland/#monthly-200901-202203
15:50 TR Bot; Operating System Market Share Poland | Statcounter Global Stats
15:51 MinceR; http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/beans-gentlemen.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/05/hotel-menu-from-saudi-arabia/ )
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15:51 Alternative link; Cloudflare: engrish.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/beans-gentlemen.jpg
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15:51 TR Bot; Hotel menu from Saudi Arabia
15:54 matey; someone should do a distro where all the code names are based on engrish.com
15:54 matey; gnu rinux 1.0 "beans gentleman"
15:55 MinceR; :)
15:55 TR News; ZDnet changed the site and removed company/brand names from the top menu. It used to be Microsoft placements and propaganda. Still, when they present Windows malware and ransomware they fail to mention the OS (unlike with Linux). This is how they craft propaganda for sponsors.
15:55 matey; ive seriosuly thought about doing a distro just to promote openbsd
15:55 matey; basically change as many things as possible to be openbsd like
15:56 matey; include text explaining why linux is a dead end, and the odds of gnu being salvaged (even if it would be better if it were)
15:56 matey; fortunately im too busy to bother
15:56 matey; and id have to install gnu/linux on something first
15:56 TR News; In case you are still in doubt and wrongly believe ZDNet is a news site, bear in mind the front end links to a "Product" and "Sales" page. This is what ZDNet actually is.
15:57 matey; and ive already done that with void, void isnt what im looking for
15:58 matey; its not the bsd-like gnu/linux that i want
15:58 TR News; ZDNet says it "support[s] IT Professionals and Decision Makers in their IT Buying Cycle process. Whether they are in the early stages of investigating their options, or optimizing a solution, ZDNet supports them all the way through." So it's basically shilling, not news.
15:59 TR News; ZDNet has a new section called "ZDNet Recommends" and it is basically a SPAM/Webspam section. Ads disguised as "Recommended". See http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/news-as-spam/
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15:59 TR Bot; The Different Types of Spammy Articles and Reviews Which Have Killed Professional Journalism (Nowadays Mostly SPAM) | Techrights
16:00 activelow; matey: openbsd too relies on specific hardware, and compilers, which navigated this project onto mined territory
16:00 matey; i dont think openbsd is the final stage in building the perfect os
16:01 activelow; perfect? this isn't what i am thinking. instead to bring back software quality which was available already, and destroyed.
16:01 matey; its more of an emergency shelter (a nice one at that) from the wreckage of gnu/linux
16:01 TR News; "Quite a few people asked me recently how I deal with anxiety. I seem to be less anxious than people around me. First of all: I also have anxiety, just like anybody else." https://peter.czanik.hu/posts/dealing-with-anxiety/
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16:01 TR Bot; Dealing With Anxiety | Random thoughts of Peter 'CzP' Czanik
16:01 matey; instead to bring back software quality which was available already, and destroyed. <- best of luck
16:01 matey; i think your choice of kernel will doom it
16:02 matey; but i think people ought to see your distro, maybe learn something
16:02 activelow; i do need the gentoo/portage tooling for what i am doing, otherwise OpenBSD is a better choice than almost all Linux systems without any doubt
16:02 TR News; Arduino Pro Portenta X8 is a tiny http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162945#comment-33177
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16:02 TR Bot; Portenta X8 is the first Linux Arduino board | Tux Machines
16:03 matey; cool
16:03 matey; yeah it seems like gentoo is helping with your work
16:03 TR News; Luigi Russolos Cacophonous Futures The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/essay/luigi-russolos-cacophonous-futures/
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16:03 TR Bot; Luigi Russolos Cacophonous Futures The Public Domain Review
16:04 activelow; matey: ideally i could dispose the complicated tooling to track dependencies
16:04 activelow; this isn't possible currently
16:08 matey; i avoided the 3.x kernel for some time
16:08 schestowitz; wow, 2.6?
16:08 matey; even though 2.x had miserable support for hardware
16:08 matey; because 2.x was so fast
16:10 schestowitz; depends on the hardware
16:10 schestowitz; and the use case
16:10 schestowitz; most of the time I just use text editors
16:10 schestowitz; and basic browser for posting
16:11 schestowitz; if you revert back to some kde3 distro with 2.6.39 you might be OK
16:11 schestowitz; and Qt3
16:11 matey; this was considerably faster on considerably older hardware
16:11 matey; kde would not have been as fast on it
16:12 matey; specifically kde3
16:12 matey; there were probably too many factors to weigh to be sure it was about the kernel itself
16:13 matey; either way, i was content to use an older kernel for a while, just due to the incredible speed
16:13 matey; think pentium ii
16:14 matey; but in the long run i was willing to trade off some of the speed for hardware support
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16:26 CrystalMath; kernel 2.4 was better
16:26 CrystalMath; no dynamic device numbers
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16:30 bnchs; hello
16:31 MinceR; hay
16:33 bnchs; schestowitz-TR: you talked about some manchester gulagtuber getting money for bullying homeless people on the street right?
16:33 schestowitz-TR; yeah
16:33 schestowitz-TR; new laws here soon
16:33 schestowitz-TR; but many unintended consequences
16:33 bnchs; well
16:34 bnchs; you haven't talked about the "mukbang" gulagtubers
16:36 bnchs; they encourage kids to eat large quantities of unhealthy food
16:37 bnchs; and the most popular "mukbanger" is a fatass who already has diabetes and high blood pressure, who cant sleep without a vent
16:37 schestowitz-TR; I never heard of that
16:37 schestowitz-TR; in france they banned sites that encourage o r teach bulimia
16:38 schestowitz-TR; maybe this goes under the same ategoryu
16:38 schestowitz-TR; of eating disorders advocated
16:38 bnchs; who of course, like dfc, is in a unhappy gay relationship
16:38 CrystalMath; bnchs: there is nothing wrong with mukbang
16:39 CrystalMath; people do it voluntarily
16:39 bnchs; yes
16:39 bnchs; they do it voluntarily
16:39 bnchs; and sometimes, for money
16:40 CrystalMath; that's also voluntary
16:40 CrystalMath; you can say no
16:41 bnchs; and sometimes they encourage unhealthy eating
16:41 CrystalMath; freedom of speech
16:41 bnchs; yeah i know
16:41 CrystalMath; i encourage unhealthy eating too
16:41 CrystalMath; not overeating though, but i always say it doesn't matter if your diet is exclusively mcdonalds or the like
16:42 bnchs; unhealthy as in overeating
16:42 bnchs; not the food themselves
16:42 bnchs; but the quantity
16:43 CrystalMath; well that's fine too, freedom of speech
16:43 bnchs; i didnt encourage sabatoging them
16:43 bnchs; i only brought it to attention
16:44 CrystalMath; i think it's terrible to conflate filming violence to something as innocent as mukbang
16:44 schestowitz-TR; by, pay attention, I did not endorse that censorship in france :-)
16:44 schestowitz-TR; I think it's a trickey situation
16:44 schestowitz-TR; the internet as a whole is not healthy
16:44 schestowitz-TR; *tricky
16:45 schestowitz-TR; you could start with most extreme things
16:45 schestowitz-TR; like beheading videos
16:45 schestowitz-TR; and then work your way from there
16:45 schestowitz-TR; 1. if this OK?
16:45 schestowitz-TR; 2. and is THIS OK?
16:45 schestowitz-TR; 3. ...
16:45 CrystalMath; like a censorship race to the bottom? :S
16:45 CrystalMath; i say allow everything
16:45 CrystalMath; everything
16:45 bnchs; CrystalMath: i'm not saying they should delete anything
16:46 bnchs; its rather up to the user
16:46 schestowitz-TR; sooner or later you realise the absolutes are inherently bad, as if life... nature is not pretty either when you start seeing animals ripping each other to pieces
16:46 bnchs; to choose what they can filter for themselves
16:46 schestowitz-TR; side story: when I was 15 opr 16 there was a site called rotten.com
16:47 schestowitz-TR; I don't know what is is or does not
16:47 schestowitz-TR; *now
16:47 schestowitz-TR; but sometimes we as kids could not resist the temptation to check it out
16:47 schestowitz-TR; it wasn't good for the mind
16:47 schestowitz-TR; that was my first experience of the "gross Internet"
16:47 bnchs; hmmm
16:50 bnchs; yes i do think we should allow everything on the internet (even the things we usually dont agree with)
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16:52 bnchs; but..... we should also be allowed to criticize them
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16:57 bnchs; CrystalMath: there is nothing wrong with mukbang
16:58 bnchs; i just think its a bit weird
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 42.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 67.28 average k/sec., average swarm size 276.08
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17:03 CrystalMath; i completely understand it though if a particular service (like youtube) does not want videos involving actual horrible violence
17:05 matey; /me doesnt understand why anyone would want to watch someone engaged in a food-eating competition against themselves
17:06 matey; but that in and of itself, meh
17:06 matey; why its so fucking popular, thats the disturbing part
17:06 bnchs; matey: yeah thats what i was talking about
17:06 matey; i know
17:07 MinceR; http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/caution-democracy.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/06/one-major-slip-and/ )
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17:07 TR Bot; One major slip, and
17:07 bnchs; a guy who has all these health conditions from obesity and is in a unhappy relationship
17:07 bnchs; and yet he still does mukbangs
17:07 bnchs; but it is up to him to stop
17:08 matey; oh i dont know
17:08 matey; at that point his friends should stage an intervention
17:08 CrystalMath; matey: i don't watch them, i just previously encountered people hating on it for no reason, and noticed they sound just like SJWs
17:08 TR News; How many people in the UK decide to get a first COVID-19 jab? In other words, moving from uninterested to interested? About 4k per day. That's 120k per month, but the rates fall over time, so under 100k per month. For perspective, about 16 million Brits received none.
17:08 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162951
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17:08 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
17:08 matey; CrystalMath: i dont know if its really for no reason
17:08 matey; first of all its kind of disgusting
17:09 matey; but thats very subjective i guess
17:09 matey; and if we run youtube based on people taking offense, we both know where that will lead
17:09 bnchs; CrystalMath: so hating on them is censorship right?
17:09 bnchs; if we cant hate on anyone, is that censorship?
17:09 bnchs; if we cant say how much we hate their content, is that also censorship?
17:10 matey; i would think mukbang and mukbang-hate videos, in an extremely censorship-free world, would exist side by side
17:10 matey; unless we redefine censorship to include hating on anyTHING
17:10 matey; which is actually a very sjw-like position imo
17:10 matey; this is youtube, a hate-free space
17:10 matey; ok but i still hate mukb-- UH UH UH!
17:10 bnchs; matey: i agree with that
17:11 matey; its also sad that youtube doesnt let you just type in a list of things you want to filter-- without logging in
17:11 matey; like -mukbang
17:12 matey; which used to work
17:12 matey; and might still work sometimes
17:13 bnchs; -mukbang only exists in tag/keyword-based search engines
17:13 matey; but then youtube isnt really a content distribution platform, its an information gathering platform
17:13 bnchs; gulagtube's search engine is beyond that
17:13 bnchs; its a biased engine
17:15 matey; youtube is very slowly getting more like reddit
17:15 bnchs; you cant express hate or criticism on yotube
17:15 bnchs; youtube*
17:15 bnchs; they removed dislikes
17:15 matey; thats healthy
17:15 bnchs; they filter comments automatically
17:16 matey; a world where you cant criticise or question things
17:16 matey; like television :)
17:16 matey; or preschool
17:16 matey; or television aimed at preschoolers
17:17 matey; later it will be rebranded to happytube
17:17 psydruid; I consider YouTube more and more a read-only medium
17:17 psydruid; or watch-only
17:17 matey; i had a youtube account until they added restrictions by country
17:17 matey; i thought that was the antithesis of the internet
17:17 matey; so i deleted my account
17:18 matey; now i cant make one because i dont believe in giving them my phone number either
17:18 matey; but thats web 2.5 for you
17:18 matey; its like web 2.0 but it demands all your shit
17:18 matey; in 2.0 you had the OPTION of giving them all your shit
17:19 matey; but thats not enough now
17:19 matey; we all have to submit to 2fu
17:19 matey; because they want 2fu
17:20 CrystalMath; bnchs: yeah you can hate, but i will speak against you then because you trip my SJW alarm
17:20 CrystalMath; i didn't ban you or anything, i just disagreed
17:21 bnchs; CrystalMath: that's fine
17:21 bnchs; i didnt encourage censorship
17:21 bnchs; i simply said how weird mukbang is
17:22 TR News; UK Data: Over 17,000 in Hospital With COVID-19 and the Number Only Rises http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/24/uk-data-hospital/
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17:22 TR Bot; Blog Archive UK Data: Over 17,000 in Hospital With COVID-19 and the Number Only Rises
17:23 matey; /me wonders if hating on censorship will trip an sjw alarm
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17:25 bnchs; CrystalMath: i wonder if talking shit about a person trips your SJW alarm
17:25 CrystalMath; no
17:25 CrystalMath; just when someone is overly protective of people
17:25 bnchs; or a topic like mukbang?
17:25 bnchs; CrystalMath: yeah thats my mistake
17:25 bnchs; i shouldnt have said "it encourages [...]"
17:25 CrystalMath; >>> SJW ALERT <<<
17:26 *MinceR manually trips all the alarms
17:26 *CrystalMath presses the button to turn it off
17:26 CrystalMath; see, even that sentence activates it
17:26 MinceR; "encourages"
17:26 bnchs; yeah i get ig
17:28 bnchs; i knew that sounded odd in my mind
17:34 *kingoffrance .oO( >>> SJW ALERT <<< weirdest command and conquer game ever )
17:35 bnchs; anyway tech time
17:35 bnchs; why does gtk need a java-like "package id"
17:38 schestowitz-TR; that term does not mean much, "sjw"
17:38 schestowitz-TR; it's a straw man
17:38 schestowitz-TR; for people to bark up (or down) some tree
17:38 schestowitz-TR; better to describe the actual issue while bypassing such labels
17:39 schestowitz-TR; for me, many who use the term in their vocab are misguided reformers
17:39 schestowitz-TR; reformist views they're not
17:40 schestowitz-TR; and those who use the term in a derogatory way against those people are digging their own grave
17:40 schestowitz-TR; so the term became a trap
17:42 matey; so the term became a trap <- everybody knows what it means
17:42 matey; im still partial to "social chauvanists"
17:43 MinceR; schestowitz-TR: do you prefer "crybully"? :>
17:43 schestowitz-TR; it's also a leaded term
17:43 schestowitz-TR; better say "trolls"
17:43 matey; i think he prefers a neutral term like person
17:43 MinceR; "troll" is very vague
17:43 MinceR; "outragist" is also very vague
17:43 matey; troll is very inspecific
17:43 bnchs; yeah
17:44 matey; i dont think its necessarily a bad thing to differentiate what type of trolling it is
17:44 bnchs; sjw means social justice warrior
17:44 matey; sjw is an extreme form of concern troll
17:44 schestowitz-TR; those are contradicting terms
17:44 schestowitz-TR; social justice should mean peace
17:44 schestowitz-TR; not war
17:44 schestowitz-TR; if you wage war on people
17:44 schestowitz-TR; not likely you really want peace
17:45 schestowitz-TR; you seek some destruction
17:45 schestowitz-TR; iirc, leah came up with a better term
17:45 schestowitz-TR; something like "diplomacy"
17:45 matey; /me thinks this is just a lesson in not using a word that might lead someone to get the wrong idea
17:45 matey; which isnt the same as it being meaningless
17:46 schestowitz-TR; you can focus on the real issue
17:46 schestowitz-TR; and let the "red hats" (MAGA) and pepe the frogs do the grave-digging of their own
17:46 matey; ah yes
17:46 schestowitz-TR; those cultural wars thrive in sociall control media
17:46 matey; if you say sjw people might assume youre one of them
17:46 schestowitz-TR; IRC tends to be people focused on common goals
17:46 schestowitz-TR; the freenode/LC split was partly that
17:47 matey; it would be a silly assumption, since the term predates them
17:47 matey; but its "tainted" now
17:47 schestowitz-TR; some sort of political divide more than a business divide
17:47 schestowitz-TR; imagine techrights putting in the wrong page:
17:47 schestowitz-TR; freedom warriors
17:47 matey; baby, baby, baby, where did our terms go
17:47 schestowitz-TR; sounds worse than "oath keepers"
17:47 schestowitz-TR; or "proud boys"
17:48 schestowitz-TR; we use the term esentry
17:48 schestowitz-TR; rms suggested that term to m
17:48 schestowitz-TR; me
17:48 schestowitz-TR; but he borrowed it from a publication of JWs
17:48 schestowitz-TR; it's more like a guarding towers
17:48 schestowitz-TR; those cannot wage wars as they are stationary
17:48 psydruid; baby baby iku go
17:48 schestowitz-TR; so in effect they only protect from invading armies
17:49 matey; yes towers are never used in warfare
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17:49 schestowitz-TR; matey: unless they're like a rail gun
17:49 *schestowitz-TR makes offsite copies of Stepanies Friedman photos
17:49 psydruid; SJWs = Special JWs?
17:49 matey; or a tesla ray
17:49 schestowitz-TR; before they vanish
17:50 matey; /me plays all along the watchtower
17:51 matey; but you and i have been through that, and this is not our fate
17:51 matey; so let us not speak falsely now, the hours getting late
17:51 bnchs; hmmm
17:52 matey; in effect they only protect from invading armies <- and from escaping prisons
17:53 matey; which puts the jw publication in a more accurate light
17:53 MinceR; (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/afternoon-meme-dump-21-memes-66.jpg
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17:53 MinceR; 24 184848 < schestowitz-TR> those cannot wage wars as they are stationary
17:53 bnchs; starlink inflated their prices again
17:54 bnchs; fuck
17:54 MinceR; my experience with RTS-es states otherwise
17:54 kingoffrance; towers are people too
17:54 matey; rodents of tremdenous size? i dont think they exist
17:54 matey; and theyre certainly not spelled that way
17:54 MinceR; i remember that Red Alert skirmish game when i just built a chain of Tesla Coils to take over enemy bases
17:54 MinceR; (sure, it also required multiple screenfuls of power plants, but i had the resources...)
17:55 bnchs; i just got reminded that by tesla
17:55 matey; /me wonders if cell phone towers can be used to target people using drones
17:55 bnchs; matey: they can already be used to triangluate locations
17:56 bnchs; if your phone's cell modem doesn't shut the fuck up
17:56 matey; if its MY cell phone modem it probably wouldnt :)
17:56 bnchs; yeah just cut power to that bitch
18:01 schestowitz-TR; [17:49] SJWs = Special JWs?
18:02 schestowitz-TR; No, Jehovah's Witnesses
18:02 bnchs; SJWs is a dumb term
18:02 bnchs; is snowflake better?
18:02 schestowitz-TR; it is designed to divide
18:02 schestowitz-TR; so better avoid it
18:02 schestowitz-TR; snowflake is also a divisive term
18:02 matey; /me is content to be divided from sjws
18:02 schestowitz-TR; you fall onto the left/right chasm
18:03 schestowitz-TR; so people don't pay attention to anything
18:03 bnchs; i really hate the right/left/up/down bullshit
18:03 matey; roy youre the only one making it into a left right thing
18:03 bnchs; i dont get it
18:03 bnchs; oh you're lefist oh you're rightist
18:03 matey; people here on the left have used the term
18:03 bnchs; its all retarded
18:03 schestowitz-TR; matey: not really, no... that's how social control media is..
18:03 schestowitz-TR; the "own the lib" thing
18:03 schestowitz-TR; and calling fascist everyone who isn't like you
18:03 matey; ok but social control media isnt reality
18:04 schestowitz-TR; that's basically how they treat science, too
18:04 matey; so letting it define any aspect of your world is sort of like making rules based on television
18:04 schestowitz-TR; matey: yes, I've quit all of it
18:04 bnchs; they cherrypick science
18:04 schestowitz-TR; science "offends" me
18:04 bnchs; or even make up shit
18:04 schestowitz-TR; so the science is wrong
18:04 schestowitz-TR; it's like another religion
18:04 matey; mincer uses the term sjw does he not?
18:04 schestowitz-TR; where it's sarcriligious to state some facts
18:05 schestowitz-TR; *sacrilegious
18:05 matey; please correct if this is wrong
18:05 schestowitz-TR; in Twitter even expressing unhappiness about some vaccine is not "offensive"
18:05 schestowitz-TR; *now
18:05 schestowitz-TR; or may be
18:05 matey; /me scrolls up
18:05 schestowitz-TR; you criticise OSI
18:05 bnchs; schestowitz-TR, twitter is absolute insanity
18:05 schestowitz-TR; and you get suspended for a week, for "COVID-19 misinformation"
18:05 bnchs; i dont recommend it at all
18:06 schestowitz-TR; it's a waste of time
18:06 schestowitz-TR; and it's shrinking
18:06 schestowitz-TR; they fake their size and importancer
18:06 bnchs; its like the people there are retarded
18:06 schestowitz-TR; Twitter in 2016-2017 had loads more going
18:06 bnchs; that its starting to be associated as "the place where retards go"
18:07 schestowitz-TR; now it's a place to troll celebs
18:07 schestowitz-TR; and twitter thus added an option to disallow comments
18:07 bnchs; yes
18:07 schestowitz-TR; twitter tried reinventing itself as gov. comms and celeb platform
18:07 schestowitz-TR; that did not work
18:07 bnchs; and even downvotes
18:07 schestowitz-TR; they did that at the expense of longtime users
18:07 bnchs; that you cant see who downvoted you
18:07 schestowitz-TR; same thing gulagtube does not
18:07 bnchs; and it drags your posts down
18:07 schestowitz-TR; promoting all sort of nasty and divisive pople
18:07 schestowitz-TR; "in your face"
18:07 matey; people who are not right wing use the term
18:08 matey; then twitter says its right wing
18:08 matey; then roy adopts twitters stance as if its necessarily true
18:08 matey; then roy complains that its left/right nonsense but
18:08 schestowitz-TR; not a twitter thing at all
18:08 matey; it wasnt until he insisted it was left/right
18:08 schestowitz-TR; I've not READ Twitter in years
18:08 bnchs; left and right also divide people
18:08 schestowitz-TR; I did in the good old Wikileaks days
18:08 matey; oh come off it, youve replied to it in the past year
18:08 bnchs; its dumb
18:08 matey; so you did that without reading it?
18:09 schestowitz-TR; but in recent years the censorship there got INSANE
18:09 matey; and by replied i dont mean automatically posted
18:09 matey; i mean @replied
18:09 bnchs; schestowitz-TR: they've actually gone to community-based censorship now
18:09 schestowitz-TR; matey: if I replied, it was last year and to people who replied to me
18:09 bnchs; like downvotes
18:09 matey; fair enough
18:09 bnchs; that can be easily abused
18:09 bnchs; and if that doesnt work
18:10 matey; at any rate, not everyone here who uses the term sjw here is right wing
18:10 matey; its not a right wing term
18:10 bnchs; the users simply intimidate the user
18:10 bnchs; by doxxing them
18:10 schestowitz-TR; I went write only there in 2020 or 2021
18:10 matey; you say it is... then you complain about left/right ism
18:10 matey; but youre the one making it about left/right ism
18:10 schestowitz-TR; read-only it never was, but 10 years ago I could still pick up some signal from people I ACTUALLY followed
18:10 schestowitz-TR; before Twitter became a canon or firehose of hate and clickbait
18:10 schestowitz-TR; cannon
18:11 matey; canon works too
18:11 matey; albeit ironically
18:11 schestowitz-TR; yes, but then different meaning
18:14 matey; i think your "year ago" starts from december backwards
18:14 matey; my "year ago" starts roughly 365.25 days ago
18:14 matey; occasionally i use other meaning too
18:14 matey; theyre both valid uses
18:14 matey; but refer to different timespans obviously
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18:15 schestowitz-TR; I think I stopped participating in 2020
18:16 schestowitz-TR; but if someone asked me a question,, I'd be tempted to respond (Twitter)
18:16 schestowitz-TR; but late last year I stopped altogether)
18:16 bnchs; just delete your account
18:16 matey; late last year I stopped altogether) <- this seems plausible
18:16 schestowitz-TR; it leads to a different exchange with mass time gaps
18:16 schestowitz-TR; and bad UI
18:16 bnchs; redirect them to your email
18:16 matey; just delete your account <- he wont, it would be a good way to settle it
18:17 schestowitz-TR; it would delete lots of things I wrote
18:17 schestowitz-TR; and joindiaspora is dead now
18:17 schestowitz-TR; which means the backups are mostly in IRC
18:17 schestowitz-TR; in 2020 I started making copies in my personal site too
18:18 schestowitz-TR; Twitter stopped doing email notifications ages ago, maybe 10+ years ago
18:18 schestowitz-TR; it was less "economic"
18:18 schestowitz-TR; and not as good for "engagement" or ads
18:18 schestowitz-TR; it was good for the users
18:18 schestowitz-TR; so obviously they had to take that away!
18:18 bnchs; ok
18:18 bnchs; well
18:18 chicksahoy; whenever I see a sponsored tweet I block the user
18:18 bnchs; just abandon the account
18:19 schestowitz-TR; in joindiaspora email stopped working ~1.5 years ago
18:19 bnchs; change the password to something very long and throw it away
18:19 schestowitz-TR; to see notifications you'd have to use the web UI
18:19 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: bad idea
18:19 schestowitz-TR; ICBM and FSFE can strike again
18:19 schestowitz-TR; and then Twitter can lock the account
18:19 schestowitz-TR; like, "can't use X until something Y"
18:20 bnchs; yes
18:20 bnchs; you're spreading misinfo
18:20 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/01/10/twitter-streisand/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/01/10/twitter-streisand/
18:20 bnchs; they deserve to lock your account
18:20 TR Bot; Twitter is Silencing Victims of Sexual Abuse to Protect Violent Men Who Assault Women (Also: GitHub/Microsoft Employees Too Have Complained About the Perpetrator) | Techrights
18:20 chicksahoy; job interviews with microsoft teams :(
18:20 schestowitz-TR; jobs not worth having
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18:21 schestowitz-TR; it means the employer is crap
18:21 chicksahoy; they're all crap
18:21 schestowitz-TR; and you get warned before even wasting time on an interview
18:21 schestowitz-TR; it won't stop at MS Teams
18:21 schestowitz-TR; it means the suck all around
18:21 bnchs; chicksahog: dont
18:21 bnchs; i have schools here that use ms teams
18:21 bnchs; for online shit
18:22 bnchs; i simply make up crap to not use it
18:22 chicksahoy; its for an IT job, of course they use windows and stuff
18:23 bnchs; you dodged a bullet
18:23 chicksahoy; at least you can use teams in a browser so i don't have to install any microsoft crap
18:23 bnchs; you can try educating the employer
18:23 bnchs; but if they're too closed-minded, then just give up
18:24 chicksahoy; i need a job, welfare sucks
18:24 schestowitz-TR; the economy sucks
18:25 schestowitz-TR; sucks the most to people with mortgages assuming "normality" for 30 years to come ^_^
18:25 chicksahoy; touche
18:26 TR News; "There are many other things to love about this place. One of my favorite things about Amsterdam is getting around by bike. In Philadelphia, travelling by bicycle is signing up for a death wish." gemini://drewdevault.com/2022/03/24/Netherlands-update.gmi
=> ↺ gemini://drewdevault.com/2022/03/24/Netherlands-update.gmi
18:27 bnchs; the worse job here is government IT job
18:27 chicksahoy; government IT is horrible
18:27 TR News; Listen to the radio and live without commercials gemini://szczezuja.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-03-24-Listen-to-the-radio-live-without-commercials.gmi "two radio stations, which were created from bottom to up by people, with so much money collected by people, it's a unique thing in the world."
18:27 bnchs; imagine maintaining decades-old ASP.NET scripts
18:27 bnchs; and a shitty microsoft server
18:27 schestowitz-TR; governments are easy to bribe
18:27 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft is good at that
18:27 schestowitz-TR; (bribing)
18:28 bnchs; that might have thousands of vulnerabilities in it
18:28 bnchs; and SQL server is very unstable aswell
18:28 chicksahoy; microsoft is probably the reason anonymous is able to keep hacking russia
18:28 chicksahoy; bank of russia got hacked recently
18:29 TR News; Yesterday afternoon - after I wrote about my negative COVID test in the morning - my wife called that she is sick. I only had 20 minutes of work left then I drove home to her." Now infected. gopher://sdfeu.org:70/0/users/glaciurso/phlog/2022-03-24__Sick.md
18:29 bnchs; the school score website just got stable these days
18:29 bnchs; if it was thousands of students logging in at once
18:29 bnchs; the web server would just die
18:30 bnchs; and sometimes database errors
18:30 schestowitz-TR; reboot
18:30 schestowitz-TR; try again
18:30 schestowitz-TR; and again
18:30 schestowitz-TR; reboot
18:30 schestowitz-TR; until exam results day is over
18:30 schestowitz-TR; some people might even get to some data
18:31 chicksahoy; i'd rather fix windows bullshit over working in retail or fast food
18:31 schestowitz-TR; isn't that the same thing?
18:31 bnchs; schestowitz-TR: yeah that doesnt work
18:31 bnchs; sometimes we also have to fix the data aswell
18:31 schestowitz-TR; "fix"?
18:31 bnchs; incorrect scores
18:31 schestowitz-TR; or fix?
18:32 bnchs; and shit
18:32 chicksahoy; most of the time its just user error
18:32 bnchs; schestowitz-TR: exam results days are always the worst days for the servers
18:33 bnchs; the servers were down for maintanence last semster
18:40 psydruid; my experience is that most of the time it's windows error
18:40 psydruid; to the point that I'd rather deliver pizzas than support windows
18:40 psydruid; it drives me insane
18:41 psydruid; I saw the weirdest things at my job and I just didn't know how to fix those things
18:42 psydruid; to the point that I was wondering if I was either too dumb or too smart for the job
18:45 bnchs; the smartest would know that windows errors are not worth dealing with
18:45 bnchs; you cant fix a shit OS
18:46 bnchs; why would anyone deal with the torture of a error that some windows dev skipped over
18:46 MinceR; you can't fix systemd or crapOS either
18:46 MinceR; and good luck finding a job where they use something else
18:46 bnchs; i made my own cyber-cafe
18:47 bnchs; with openrc
18:48 MinceR; how much profit does it make?
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18:50 bnchs; ehhh
18:50 bnchs; just about 30 dh a day
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18:52 bnchs; it also means i dont have to rely on OS hacks to do shit
18:52 bnchs; like the daemon can easily be killed
18:52 bnchs; in windows
18:58 Techrights-sec2; "seems easier to move internally through Microsoft than apply directly...ugh I mean we are still pretending Ubuntu isn't
18:58 Techrights-sec2; MS... uhm..."
18:58 Techrights-sec2; https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/want-a-job-at-canonical-write-a-5000:3
=> ↺ https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/want-a-job-at-canonical-write-a-5000:3
18:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: odysee.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/want-a-job-at-canonical-write-a-5000:3
18:58 TR Bot; Want A Job At Canonical? Write A 5000 Word Essay?!?
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 44.65 k/sec., IPFS upstream 80.73 average k/sec., average swarm size 228.40
19:00 TR News; 5 Lesser-Known Open Source Web Browsers for Linux in 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162952
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162952
19:00 TR Bot; 5 Lesser-Known Open Source Web Browsers for Linux in 2022 | Tux Machines
19:00 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162953
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162953
19:00 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
19:00 TR News; Linux Mint Debian Edition 5 - Perfection with Stability [Review] Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162954
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162954
19:00 TR Bot; Linux Mint Debian Edition 5 - Perfection with Stability [Review] | Tux Machines
19:00 MinceR; http://ffn.nodwick.com/?p=2391
=> ↺ http://ffn.nodwick.com/?p=2391
19:00 TR Bot; Full Frontal Nerdity by Aaron Williams - 03/03/2022
19:03 TR News; Arduino returns to Linux with Portenta X8 module and dev kit http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162945#comment-33178
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162945#comment-33178
19:03 TR Bot; Portenta X8 is the first Linux Arduino board | Tux Machines
19:08 TR News; Proton Experimental gets a bunch more titles working for Steam Deck and Linux | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/proton-experimental-gets-a-bunch-more-titles-working-for-steam-deck-and-linux
19:08 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/proton-experimental-gets-a-bunch-more-titles-working-for-steam-deck-and-linux
19:08 TR Bot; Experimental gets a bunch more titles working for Steam Deck and Linux | GamingOnLinux
19:09 bnchs; valve should be doing more than proton
19:09 bnchs; they should give rewards to developers who make gnu/linux port
19:10 TR News; Sci-fi fantasy arena-styled FPS Viscerafest sees Chapter 2 released | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/sci-fi-fantasy-arena-styled-fps-viscerafest-sees-chapter-2-released/
19:10 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/sci-fi-fantasy-arena-styled-fps-viscerafest-sees-chapter-2-released/
19:10 TR Bot; fantasy arena-styled FPS Viscerafest sees Chapter 2 released | GamingOnLinux
19:11 bnchs; like less sale cuts
19:12 TR News; Fanatical put up their own Stand With Ukraine Charity Bundle | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/fanatical-put-up-their-own-stand-with-ukraine-charity-bundle Source: gamingonlinux
=> ↺ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/fanatical-put-up-their-own-stand-with-ukraine-charity-bundle
19:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/fanatical-put-up-their-own-stand-with-ukraine-charity-bundle
19:12 TR Bot; put up their own Stand With Ukraine Charity Bundle | GamingOnLinux
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19:14 TR News; Kickstart RT from NVIDIA makes Ray Tracing integration in games easier | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/kickstart-rt-from-nvidia-makes-ray-tracing-integration-in-games-easier/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
19:14 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/kickstart-rt-from-nvidia-makes-ray-tracing-integration-in-games-easier/
19:14 TR Bot; RT from NVIDIA makes Ray Tracing integration in games easier | GamingOnLinux
19:25 TR News; An example of stories not related to Linux, which serve mostly as x86 masrketing https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/amd-reveal-more-on-fidelityfx-super-resolution-20-fsr Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
=> ↺ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/amd-reveal-more-on-fidelityfx-super-resolution-20-fsr
19:25 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/amd-reveal-more-on-fidelityfx-super-resolution-20-fsr
19:25 TR Bot; reveal more on FidelityFX Super Resolution 2.0 (FSR) | GamingOnLinux
19:26 TR News; Game Pass on Steam Deck, Android apps in the cloud, and GNOME 42 - Linux and open source news - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Y_QwXn4lY6E Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Y_QwXn4lY6E
19:26 TR Bot; Game Pass on Steam Deck, Android apps in the cloud, and GNOME 42 - Linux and open source news - Invidious
19:31 TR News; VMware is a hole in your server https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/24/vmware-releases-security-updates nasty company http://techrights.org/wiki/VMware#2020
=> ↺ https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/24/vmware-releases-security-updates
=> http://techrights.org/wiki/VMware#2020
19:31 TR Bot; VMware Releases Security Updates | CISA
19:31 TR Bot; VMware - Techrights
19:31 TR News; "Whitney joined Ryan to discuss the connection between January 6th, the Azov Battalion, Ukraine, and the War On Domestic Terror." https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/03/press/tlav-january-6th-azov-battalion-the-war-on-domestic-terror-you/
19:31 Alternative link; Cloudflare: unlimitedhangout.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/03/press/tlav-january-6th-azov-battalion-the-war-on-domestic-terror-you/
19:31 TR Bot; TLAV: January 6th, Azov Battalion & The War On Domestic Terror YOU
19:33 TR News; [GIT PULL] nfsd changes for 5.18 - Chuck Lever III https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/EF97E1F5-B70F-4F9F-AC6D-7B48336AE3E5@oracle.com/ Source: oracle
=> ↺ https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/EF97E1F5-B70F-4F9F-AC6D-7B48336AE3E5@oracle.com/
19:33 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] nfsd changes for 5.18 - Chuck Lever III
19:33 TR News; "In this video, I am going to show an overview of SparkyLinux 2022.03 and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-XTIJKbJzUA
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-XTIJKbJzUA
19:34 TR Bot; SparkyLinux 2022.03 overview | Powered by Debian - Invidious
19:36 TR News; Spamnil's site now does attention-shifting propaganda for Microsoft ("Large-Scale Attack Uses Malicious npm Packages To Target Azure Developers"). No, NPM IS Microsoft... same for Azure... notice how they're looking to blame anyone but the platform http://techrights.org/2021/09/30/azure-brute-force/
=> http://techrights.org/2021/09/30/azure-brute-force/
19:36 TR Bot; Microsoft Whistleblower and Clients Warned, More Than 2 Years Ago in Fact, About the Current Azure Mess (But Microsoft Ignored Those Warnings, Buried Facts) | Techrights
19:36 bnchs; lol
19:36 bnchs; large scale attack
19:36 bnchs; azure developers
19:36 TR News; Windows is malware. GitHub is malware. NPM is malware. What do they all have in common? Microsoft.
19:36 bnchs; literally if it wasnt for brandon the retard
19:37 bnchs; we wouldnt have given spamnil more material
19:37 TR News; #FreeBSD 13.1-BETA3 is out. Site not updated yet. https://www.freebsd.org/
19:37 TR Bot; The FreeBSD Project
19:37 TR News; Meet the Secretive US Company Building an Unbreakable Internet Inside Russia https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3n5e9/russian-internet-lantern
=> ↺ https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3n5e9/russian-internet-lantern
19:37 TR Bot; Meet the Secretive US Company Building an Unbreakable Internet Inside Russia
19:38 TR News; Mozilla wants your money while it's selling your data https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/03/introducing-mdn-plus-make-mdn-your-own/
=> ↺ https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/03/introducing-mdn-plus-make-mdn-your-own/
19:38 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/03/introducing-mdn-plus-make-mdn-your-own/
19:38 TR Bot; Introducing MDN Plus: Make MDN your own - Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog
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19:40 TR News; How to install Slackware 15 https://unixcop.com/how-to-install-slackware-15/ Source: unixcop
=> ↺ https://unixcop.com/how-to-install-slackware-15/
19:40 TR Bot; How to install Slackware 15 - Unix / Linux the admins Tutorials
19:41 TR News; Fedora 36 Beta Update - Madeline Peck https://www.madelinepeck.com/blog/2022/3/22/fedora-36-beta-update Source: madelinepeck
=> ↺ https://www.madelinepeck.com/blog/2022/3/22/fedora-36-beta-update
19:41 TR Bot; Fedora 36 Beta Update Madeline Peck
19:42 DaemonFC; It's no wonder the schools are failing. I just got another letter from the high school asking for a tax hike. They keep asking and we keep voting no. You'd think a high school would be able to sit down and go "This is what tax revenue is. This is what our expenses are." and solve for it, but instead they cram pack my mailbox with fucking flyers saying "Pay up by Monday or the kids get it!". If they don't get their tax hike, then one day in the
19:42 DaemonFC; future, perhaps not far from now, they won't be able to afford essential basic services, such as printing up 100,000 flyers asking for a tax hike and posting them each week in the three months leading up to every election.
19:42 TR News; Seems to me like a sign Purism is struggling https://puri.sm/posts/as-purism-grows-founder-ceo-todd-weaver-transitions-role-of-president-to-kyle-rankin-vice-president-to-nicole-faerber/
19:42 TR Bot; As Purism Grows, Founder CEO Todd Weaver Transitions Role of President to Kyle Rankin & Vice-President to Nicole Faerber Purism
19:42 DaemonFC; mjg59_ wonders why I hate government, but MinceR totally gets it. ^
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19:43 TR News; "Open Source" became meaningless junk. Say Free software instead. School's back in session at Open Source 101 https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/schools-back-in-session-open-source-101.html Source: collabora
19:43 TR Bot; School's back in session at Open Source 101
19:43 DaemonFC; Also lost on a school in the next town over (which also sends me flyers) is that I don't live in their town, and part of their budget is stuffing mailboxes of voters in a town that can't vote in their election.
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19:45 TR News; Foundries.io and Arduino Deliver Secure, Embedded Linux IoT and Edge Solutions for the Enterprise http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162945#comment-33179
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162945#comment-33179
19:45 TR Bot; Portenta X8 is the first Linux Arduino board | Tux Machines
19:45 bnchs; fuck stuffing mailboxes
19:46 TR News; Hamsket SparkyLinux https://sparkylinux.org/hamsket/ Source: sparkylinux on "Free, Open Source and Cross Platform messaging and emailing app that combines common web applications into one."
=> ↺ https://sparkylinux.org/hamsket/
19:46 TR Bot; Hamsket SparkyLinux
19:46 activelow; documentary on TV, about hackers, white hats and black hats, and most high-profile hackers jailed in USA are Russians
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19:48 activelow; supposedly it is russian sites and channels, where the real stuff is discussed
19:48 TR News; Microbel doing AMD ads again in Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=31007 Source: Phoronix (but it used to cover Linux)
=> ↺ https://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=31007
19:48 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=31007
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=31007
19:48 TR Bot; vs. Linux Benchmarks For AMD Ryzen Server Performance Review - Phoronix
19:49 bnchs; windows vs linux
19:49 bnchs; let me guess
19:49 bnchs; biased?
19:49 schestowitz-TR; does not matter
19:49 schestowitz-TR; he advertises neigher
19:49 schestowitz-TR; he does AMD
19:50 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/
19:50 TR Bot; When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights
19:53 activelow; power plant hacked in Ukraine, 2015, power outage... product placement advertisement: WindowsXP
19:54 TR News; Videos: SparkyLinux and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162955
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162955
19:54 TR Bot; Videos: SparkyLinux and More | Tux Machines
19:54 TR News; Games: Proton Experimental and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162956
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162956
19:54 TR Bot; Games: Proton Experimental and More | Tux Machines
19:55 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/03/24/its-no-wonder-the-schools-in-illinois-are-failing-i-just-got-another-letter-from-the-high-school-asking-for-a-tax-hike/
19:55 TR Bot; Its no wonder the schools in Illinois are failing. I just got another letter from the high school asking for a tax hike. BaronHK's Rants
19:55 DaemonFC; Mr. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLAG's head explodes.
19:55 DaemonFC; "Maybe if theyd stop ripping the names of some of our finest presidents, like Teddy Roosevelt, off the signage, to destroy positive white role models in history, they could scrounge up some more money."
19:55 bnchs; activelow: power plant using windows
19:55 bnchs; WHAT COULD GO WRONG
19:56 schestowitz-TR; the nuclear part is bad
19:56 schestowitz-TR; never mind what OS
19:56 activelow; it was some accounting software common in Ukraine, which an Update was downloaded for, and all systems compromised
19:56 DaemonFC; If they can have "black history" and "black role models" (and there are quite a few, granted...), then why shouldn't we be proud of white role models in history?
19:56 DaemonFC; Or maybe we should stop calling it history month, because maybe that is racist.
19:56 DaemonFC; Quit putting role models on "separate but equal" lists, by choice, and seeing no irony in that.
19:56 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: it's offtopi
19:57 TR News; (In)Security of Proprietary Software Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162957
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162957
19:57 TR Bot; (In)Security of Proprietary Software | Tux Machines
19:57 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I've been tempted to fork that "Bitch to Boss" thing.
19:58 DaemonFC; Have it replace the GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGLE thing.
19:58 DaemonFC; GOOOOOOOOOLAG
19:58 schestowitz-TR; it's like Gulag Search
19:58 schestowitz-TR; at the bottom it says or used to say goooooooooooogle
19:58 DaemonFC; I don't know that it does anymore.
19:58 DaemonFC; If I use Google at all, it's through Startpage.
19:58 schestowitz-TR; you can click on the Os
19:58 DaemonFC; I'm not happy with the search situation.
19:59 schestowitz-TR; startpage is a spying company
19:59 schestowitz-TR; so you accomplish mothing
19:59 DaemonFC; DuckDuckGo is worse.
19:59 bnchs; activelow: yeah good
19:59 DaemonFC; Both on privacy and results.
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19:59 bnchs; aufomatic upadte
19:59 bnchs; automatic update
19:59 DaemonFC; They're fed by Bing and Bing results are more censored and full of irrelevant crap than Google's are.
19:59 bnchs; what could go wrong?
19:59 DaemonFC; And Microsoft's ToS are surprisingly worse.
20:00 DaemonFC; In the settings for Microsoft's online "services" there are references to "Windows" and "XBOX" consoles and "Microsoft Office" and you have to go there to do things like get app passwords for K9 Mail on your phone.
20:01 DaemonFC; Because only Microsoft products exist in their bunker where they go insane.
20:01 DaemonFC; It's like Hitler barking orders at imaginary armored units while the Red Army controlled all but several blocks of Berlin.
20:01 bnchs; lol
20:02 bnchs; you know how microsoft's products are popular?
20:02 DaemonFC; Somehow, many immigrants end up in Illinois. That's not to say Indiana gets none.
20:02 bnchs; because they shove it down windows' useds' faces
20:02 DaemonFC; Indiana is more welcoming, honestly.
20:02 bnchs; even their fucking lock screen
20:03 bnchs; HAS ADS FOR MICROSOFT
20:03 activelow; some of the "hackers" presented seem to be posers
20:03 bnchs; "look at this cool wallpaper, CHECK OUT HOW THE GUY WHO TOOK IT USED AZURE TO JACK OFF 1000 TIMES FASTER"
20:04 DaemonFC; Some Asian woman saw me on the Red Line and asked me where the Pulaski stop on the L system was, so I finally gave up trying to tell her because she didn't know English or enough to say what she wanted except "Pulaski?", so I eventually pulled out a piece of paper and drew her a map of the L system and how to know which stops to get off at and transfer to. I hope she was okay.
20:04 activelow; they're using web-sites and forums to communicate... as if this was the real hackers; they aren't
20:05 activelow; doesn't mean their vandalism wasn't annoying or dangerous
20:05 schestowitz-TR; https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2022/03/23/microsoft-windows-11-windows-10-hack-attack-zero-day-new-windows-update/
20:05 Alternative link; Cloudflare: forbes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2022/03/23/microsoft-windows-11-windows-10-hack-attack-zero-day-new-windows-update/
20:05 TR Bot; Microsoft Just Gave A Billion Users A Reason To Quit Windows
20:05 DaemonFC; If she got the "Chicago Welcome Committee" on that side of town it would have certainly been a bunch of "troubled youth" (schestowitz-ism) with guns, doing all sorts of depravity.
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20:06 DaemonFC; Meanwhile, in Indiana, she would have encountered (most likely) a large group of people who made sure she got where she was going safely.
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20:06 schestowitz; https://www.maketecheasier.com/watermarks-on-unsupported-windows-11-pcs/
=> ↺ https://www.maketecheasier.com/watermarks-on-unsupported-windows-11-pcs/
20:06 TR Bot; Watermarks to Start Appearing on Unsupported Windows 11 PCs - Make Tech Easier
20:06 DaemonFC; But the leftists, like mjg59_ like to call places like Indiana a heehaw state, and deflect from the fact that vicious attacks on Asians in America mostly happen in blue states and the bluest parts of blue states.
20:06 schestowitz; DaemonFC: we are talking about tech
20:07 schestowitz; you interject shit politics to settle personal scores
20:07 DaemonFC; It's been in the news a lot in his city of San Francisco, and it's not even that abnormal in Chicago and New York, and Seattle, and Portland.
20:07 DaemonFC; Because all of the fucked up people live there for some reason.
20:07 schestowitz; go to another channel
20:08 bnchs; schestowitz: lol at "unsupported"
20:08 schestowitz; don't ruin this one
20:08 schestowitz; bnchs: well, it runs it
20:08 schestowitz; so clearly it IS supportede
20:08 schestowitz; Microsoft is being a dictator
20:08 DaemonFC; There's quite a few ways to remove the watermark from Windows.
20:08 bnchs; YOUR PC MUST BE THIS NEW TO RUN WINDOZE 11 ---->
20:08 DaemonFC; But the better option is to just get rid of Windows.
20:08 bnchs; encourages more e-waste by brainless consumers
20:08 DaemonFC; That'll make the watermark go away, and recent versions of Wine and Proton are quite good.
20:09 bnchs; i like how microsoft is not trying to optimize their OS
20:09 schestowitz-TR; no, no,
20:09 bnchs; its like they let it go
20:09 DaemonFC; "Everyone interesting runs Windows." - mjg59_ "Free Software Developer.....Suuuuuuuuper Genius"
20:09 schestowitz-TR; Mirosoft loves the plane
20:09 schestowitz-TR; they even burn it down with Windows
20:09 bnchs; yeah
20:09 bnchs; they let windows go
20:09 schestowitz-TR; and then releases the excess heat to home in Finland... in August LOL
20:09 DaemonFC; Windows is like that supposed Chinese curse.
20:09 bnchs; and now its too bloated to run in even much more capable PCs
20:10 bnchs; they should just kill it and be done with it
20:10 DaemonFC; May you live in interesting times and may you come to the attention of the authorities. Well, with the Windows OS breaking down all the time requiring constant attention and recovery from backups (you have backups, right?) it's interesting in that way......and you WILL come to the attention of authorities, because it tells them everything you do on your PC.
20:10 TR News; Notice how bug were outsources to Microsoft proprietary software. Mozilla is DONE. https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/03/24/these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-112/
=> ↺ https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/03/24/these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-112/
20:10 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/03/24/these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-112/
20:11 TR Bot; These Weeks In Firefox: Issue 112 Firefox Nightly News
20:11 bnchs; yes
20:11 bnchs; its ironic
20:11 TR News; Notice how bugs were outsourced to Microsoft proprietary software. Mozilla is DONE. https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/03/24/these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-112/
=> ↺ https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/03/24/these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-112/
20:11 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/03/24/these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-112/
20:11 bnchs; gnu/linux used to be the OS that breaks down a lot
20:11 bnchs; now the tables have turned
20:11 bnchs; its windows
20:11 *roger_rabbit (~roger_rab@2607:fcd0:aa80:1304::bf2d) has joined #techrights
20:12 activelow; now they say again, "the Russians" hacked the democratic congress and the US elections... and even if, it is almost impossible to know, who it was
20:12 bnchs; their updates is so untested that its a 50/50 chance
20:12 activelow; 500 piecs of malware and domain names
20:12 bnchs; 50% it will work
20:12 MinceR; 24 204951 < bnchs> biased?
20:12 bnchs; 50% it will break the OS and you have to reinstall
20:12 MinceR; he'll say whatever drives page views
20:12 DaemonFC; "Linux" systems generally don't break down a lot unless you're using something fast moving, untested, experimental, and/or rolling.... (Fedora, Arch....) or just do something that any reasonable person would know leads to a broken system (APT warns you not to do it and you do it anyway for YouTube click pennies, like Linus Sebastian).
20:13 bnchs; DaemonFC: windows shills are still with the mentality that gnu/linux systems are unstable
20:13 MinceR; lol @ heehaw state
20:13 DaemonFC; I never had any trouble with my systems unless I was just using something I knew was probably a little sketchy in the first place.
20:14 DaemonFC; The "consumer-facing" ones and the Long Term Support distributions generally don't make crazy choices that they'll have to support for 5-10 years if they can possibly avoid doing so.
20:14 DaemonFC; KDE 2/3 on Mandrake Linux were stable in the early to mid 2000s.
20:15 bnchs; yeah
20:15 DaemonFC; Quite good enough for daily usage. Maybe you needed to plan your hardware more than you do today, but they were not unstable.
20:15 bnchs; but microsoft shills still try to decimate it
20:15 bnchs; try to drive people away
20:16 DaemonFC; I picked Mandrake because it was one that I could buy in a box that didn't look like it was the stuff of nightmares.
20:16 MinceR; seems to me those distros pretty much all made crazy choices and stuck with them
20:16 psydroid2; GNU/Linux was already better than Windows in the 90s and in the early 2000s it became "user-friendly"
20:16 DaemonFC; Some of those early Debian box sets were infamously bad. There was one company that packaged Debian 2.1 (iirc) and it only came with 1/2 CDs and they managed to bork the setup program so there was no way to install a working system. Ever.
20:16 DaemonFC; Then they sold it.
20:17 MinceR; choices like systemd and gnome
20:17 MinceR; some of them even made choices like yum and dnf
20:17 DaemonFC; KDE does work on Debian.
20:17 DaemonFC; Which is a hell of a lot more you can say for Fedora and KDE.
20:17 MinceR; :>
20:17 MinceR; but for how long
20:17 MinceR; kde capitulated to the enemy
20:17 DaemonFC; I posted about Fedora on my blog asking them to please stop packaging anything but GNOME if they were going to fuck it up that bad.
20:18 DaemonFC; They don't really support KDE on Fedora. The packagers are using Windows and Macs and Microsoft Edge.
20:18 DaemonFC; One of them admitted he only used Fedora on Windows 10 in an emulator.
20:18 DaemonFC; Exactly the maintainers you want, you know?
20:18 bnchs; psydroid2: gnu/linux was used for most moroccan websites in early 2000's
20:19 DaemonFC; They tossed out the one real community maintainer of KDE right in front of me.
20:19 TR News; Gartner is not predicting, it is shilling. In this case for mass surveillance profiteers like Microsoft. https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/24/gartner_top_10_gov/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group
=> ↺ https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/24/gartner_top_10_gov/
=> http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group
20:19 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/24/gartner_top_10_gov/
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/24/gartner_top_10_gov/
20:19 TR Bot; Mobile-based ID among top 10 government trends says Gartner The Register
20:19 TR Bot; Gartner Group - Techrights
20:19 DaemonFC; Said he was "offending" Microsoft and Nvidia and so he was being removed by decision of the "Fedora Council".
20:19 DaemonFC; Which did not hold an open discussion of vote.
20:19 bnchs; DaemonFC: fedora is controlled by microsoft
20:20 bnchs; better dump it
20:20 DaemonFC; It's too fucked up to salvage at this point.
20:20 TR News; Clown computing means a lot of downtime you're not in control of; it's also a lot of other bad things https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/22/slack_down/
=> ↺ https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/22/slack_down/
20:20 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/22/slack_down/
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/22/slack_down/
20:20 TR Bot; Ongoing services outage at Slack The Register
20:21 bnchs; when a distro is bribed way too hard by corporations
20:21 bnchs; better to just dump it
20:21 schestowitz; https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/18/windows_11_insider_msa/
=> ↺ https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/18/windows_11_insider_msa/
20:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/18/windows_11_insider_msa/
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/18/windows_11_insider_msa/
20:21 TR Bot; Connectivity now needed for Windows 11 Pro Dev Channel setup The Register
20:21 DaemonFC; That's why I stopped using Fedora.
20:21 DaemonFC; I used to be really happy with it.
20:22 DaemonFC; It was fairly stable and always had the latest stuff and ran on the laptop I JUST BOUGHT.
20:22 DaemonFC; And now the maintainers can't even be bothered to run it.
20:22 DaemonFC; And have no idea what's going on when you put it on a real computer and try to use it.
20:23 bnchs; so you cant criticize microsoft
20:23 DaemonFC; Nope.
20:23 bnchs; because fedora is too corrupt?
20:23 DaemonFC; You'll be banned from their room, perhaps after a warning or two.
20:23 DaemonFC; Fuck Fedora.
20:23 DaemonFC; Moving on, just use something else.
20:23 bnchs; schestowitz: its actually real thing now
20:23 TR News; Clown nonsense. Nothing to be gained from this. https://martechseries.com/sales-marketing/marketing-clouds/zenhub-joins-the-cloud-native-computing-foundation/
20:23 TR Bot; ZenHub Joins the Cloud Native Computing Foundation
20:23 DaemonFC; It's like a state that falls apart until you realize that nobody will ever vote to fix it and you just need to leave.
20:23 bnchs; if you use a exotic wifi or ethernet card
20:24 DaemonFC; Fedora is as much of a success under IBM as Illinois is under the Democratic Party.
20:24 bnchs; one thats not supported in their installation image
20:24 bnchs; then the installation is borked
20:25 bnchs; modern laptops come with wifi cards and ethernet cards that you have to install drivers seperately
20:25 bnchs; because it doesnt come with stock
20:25 bnchs; installation
20:25 MinceR; it seems to me fedora is doing exactly what ibm/deadrat wants from it
20:26 MinceR; collects what volunteer work they can gather and serves as the basis of many systemd distributions, which all make their users beholden to ibm/deadrat
20:27 bnchs; arch linux doesnt even let you install your own init system
20:27 bnchs; its just systemd
20:27 schestowitz-TR; fedora is ICBM
20:27 bnchs; back then it used to use sysvinit
20:27 schestowitz-TR; ICBM is still close to Microsoft
20:27 schestowitz-TR; even closer than a decade ago
20:27 schestowitz-TR; they have similar problems
20:28 schestowitz-TR; like their growing irrelevance
20:28 bnchs; or the init system used by the UNIX system V
20:28 schestowitz-TR; they buy companies, but it's too late
20:28 schestowitz-TR; they also lie to shareholders to pretend there is "growth"
20:28 schestowitz-TR; for which they do the bucket game
20:29 TR News; "When you think Linux gaming you think of general Linux systems like PopOS, Arch, Manjaro, etc but soon that will change and Chromebooks will also have support for Steam and Proton" - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=St3tjDr1HPU Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=St3tjDr1HPU
20:29 TR Bot; Steam & Proton Are Coming Soon To Chromebooks?? - Invidious
20:31 TR News; Canonical 2004: Freedom on desktops. Canonical 2022: Microsoft, bugs, and listening devices https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-evolution-of-the-smart-home-how-it-started-part-1
=> ↺ https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-evolution-of-the-smart-home-how-it-started-part-1
20:31 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-evolution-of-the-smart-home-how-it-started-part-1
20:31 TR Bot; Evolution of the Smart Home: How it Started [Part 1] | Ubuntu
20:31 bnchs; chromebooks are retarded
20:31 TR News; COVID-19 approves wholeheartedly: "LET ME SPREAD FASTER!" https://bhsregister.com/6553/news/bsd-lifts-mask-mandate-data-to-know/
=> ↺ https://bhsregister.com/6553/news/bsd-lifts-mask-mandate-data-to-know/
20:31 TR Bot; BSD lifts mask mandate: data to know BHS Register
20:31 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bhsregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://bhsregister.com/6553/news/bsd-lifts-mask-mandate-data-to-know/
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://bhsregister.com/6553/news/bsd-lifts-mask-mandate-data-to-know/
20:32 bnchs; there is many reasons why i'm grateful i live in a poor country
20:32 bnchs; and chromebooks are one
20:32 TR News; COVID-19 has slipped totally out of control in the UK http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/24/uk-data-hospital/
=> ↺ http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/24/uk-data-hospital/
20:32 TR Bot; Blog Archive UK Data: Over 17,000 in Hospital With COVID-19 and the Number Only Rises
20:32 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: no wifi
20:33 schestowitz-TR; chromebooks barely consider any other connection methods
20:33 schestowitz-TR; in southeast asia shops don't even know what that is
20:33 schestowitz-TR; they only sell windows crap
20:33 schestowitz-TR; to be fair, I think SUSE has some growth in indonesia
20:33 MinceR; can't you use a usb ethernet adapter?
20:33 schestowitz-TR; it's also risk-free for Microsoft to bribe officials there
20:34 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: chromebooks lack those ports
20:34 schestowitz-TR; usb yes
20:34 schestowitz-TR; but connected to wifi or xG dongle mayeb
20:34 MinceR; if you have a usb port, you can obtain an ethernet port
20:34 schestowitz-TR; not sure how gulagOS handles those
20:36 TR News; Does AMD pay for memberships with crates of high-end CPUs? Or is that just for bloggers? https://www.hpcwire.com/off-the-wire/almalinux-os-foundation-announces-new-members-including-amd/
=> ↺ https://www.hpcwire.com/off-the-wire/almalinux-os-foundation-announces-new-members-including-amd/
20:36 TR Bot; AlmaLinux OS Foundation Announces New Members, Including AMD
20:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: hpcwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.hpcwire.com/off-the-wire/almalinux-os-foundation-announces-new-members-including-amd/
20:37 bnchs; schestowitz-TR: no ethernet port?
20:37 TR News; Worldwide inflation suffocating Africans. "Bills" are, to many, the main cost of living (food, water, energy) https://www.stabroeknews.com/2022/03/16/news/guyana/ali-promises-no-hikes-in-electricity-water-rates-despite-rising-costs/
20:37 Alternative link; Cloudflare: stabroeknews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.stabroeknews.com/2022/03/16/news/guyana/ali-promises-no-hikes-in-electricity-water-rates-despite-rising-costs/
20:37 TR Bot; Ali promises no hikes in electricity, water rates despite rising costs - Stabroek News
20:38 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: no, they want your location data
20:38 bnchs; wow
20:38 bnchs; one thing
20:38 TR News; Why does Gulag Noise syndicate Microsoft sites as if they're a source of news. Has Gulag no sense of shame?
20:39 bnchs; we dont buy our computers from the hypermarkets (where they only sell retarded microsoft-ridden shit)
20:39 DaemonFC; There we go. Now I have 125 pounds of cat food on hand.
20:39 bnchs; we buy our computers from the dirty old market
20:39 DaemonFC; That ought to last 6-7 months easily for my two cats.
20:39 bnchs; where they're at least early 2010's or late 2000's old
20:39 bnchs; and easily modifiable
20:39 DaemonFC; If they're threatening no chickens for HUMANS, what are we going to feed the cats with?
20:40 TR News; RedisJSON 2 Adds Indexing Option https://www.i-programmer.info/news/197-data-mining/15300-redisjson-2-adds-indexing-option.html Source: i-programmer
=> ↺ https://www.i-programmer.info/news/197-data-mining/15300-redisjson-2-adds-indexing-option.html
20:40 TR Bot; RedisJSON 2 Adds Indexing Option
20:40 DaemonFC; I'd scream if they start inventing "supply troubles" with cat food and I ran out of cat food and had to watch my cats die or try to feed them with whatever I could get.
20:40 bnchs; also they come with absolutely NO operating system
20:40 bnchs; you have to buy it seperately
20:40 bnchs; which is a plus for me
20:41 bnchs; install*
20:41 bnchs; one thing about windows-less PCs is that they offer a huge discount because they dont have to buy a license
20:42 TR News; They would be vastly better off getting an OS almost entirely GPL. It's called GNU/Linux. https://www.aviationanalysis.net/gpl-software-explorer-patcher-restores-features-from-windows-10/
=> ↺ https://www.aviationanalysis.net/gpl-software-explorer-patcher-restores-features-from-windows-10/
20:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: aviationanalysis.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.aviationanalysis.net/gpl-software-explorer-patcher-restores-features-from-windows-10/
20:42 TR Bot; GPL Software Explorer Patcher restores features from Windows 10
20:43 DaemonFC; That's a myth.
20:43 TR News; Junk you find on the Web and install without worries https://www.searchenginejournal.com/yoast-wordpress-seo-bug-creates-duplicate-sitemaps/442668/ Source: searchenginejournal
=> ↺ https://www.searchenginejournal.com/yoast-wordpress-seo-bug-creates-duplicate-sitemaps/442668/
20:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: searchenginejournal.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.searchenginejournal.com/yoast-wordpress-seo-bug-creates-duplicate-sitemaps/442668/
20:43 TR Bot; Yoast WordPress SEO Bug Creates Duplicate Sitemaps
20:44 DaemonFC; The crapware usally pays for the Windows license. But then you have the nuisance of removing Windows so you can install an operating system instead of warmed over 90s shit from Microsoft, buried under dozens of GB of extraneous bloat and adware and spyware, which was mostly placed there to make it run REALLY badly on computers from more than a couple years ago, that was only an alleged operating system to start with.
20:44 DaemonFC; AKA, Windows "11".
20:45 bnchs; no
20:45 bnchs; windows-less computers
20:45 TR News; Well, the world is getting hotter, doesn't it? While energy prices soar and capacity isn't improving... https://newsroom.gy/2022/03/23/more-ac-usage-driving-up-electricity-demand-gpl-says-consumers-must-conserve/
20:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: newsroom.gy | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://newsroom.gy/2022/03/23/more-ac-usage-driving-up-electricity-demand-gpl-says-consumers-must-conserve/
20:45 TR Bot; More AC usage driving up electricity demand; GPL says consumers must conserve News Room Guyana
20:45 DaemonFC; They don't even support my late 2016 Lenovo laptop anymore with Windows 11.
20:45 bnchs; dont have windows license in the bios chip
20:45 bnchs; nor any w1x logo
20:45 DaemonFC; GNU/Linux runs fine. It's so fast that you can barely even tell it's closing in on 6 years old.
20:46 DaemonFC; By the time GNU/Linux doesn't run well, your odds of a hardware failure that year are higher than 80% anyway.
20:46 bnchs; same program on windows in a laptop: blank window for 6 seconds
20:46 bnchs; then whole OS lags
20:46 bnchs; same program on gnu/linux in the same laptop: runs in almost a millisecond
20:46 bnchs; maybe even much less
20:47 DaemonFC; Windows needs a minimum of 16 GB of RAM to even run a few programs at the same time without noticeable jank.
20:47 DaemonFC; Which is pitiful.
20:47 TR News; Better headline would clarify that Microsoft is shipping malware through its proprietary software hub https://threatpost.com/dev-sabotages-popular-npm-package-protest-russian-invasion/178972/
=> ↺ https://threatpost.com/dev-sabotages-popular-npm-package-protest-russian-invasion/178972/
20:47 TR Bot; Sabotages Popular NPM Package to Protest Russian Invasion | Threatpost
20:48 bnchs; dev sabotages npm package
20:48 TR News; Ukraine's nuclear plants: What's happening with them now? - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/ukraine_nuclear_safety_update/ Source: theregister
=> ↺ https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/ukraine_nuclear_safety_update/
20:48 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/ukraine_nuclear_safety_update/
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/ukraine_nuclear_safety_update/
20:48 TR Bot; Ukraine's nuclear plants: What's happening with them now? The Register
20:48 bnchs; brandon miller gave free software a bad face
20:48 bnchs; i fucking hate him for that
20:48 TR News; Best Add-ons (Extensions) For Firefox On Android | Screen Rant https://screenrant.com/firefox-android-add-ons-extensions-best/ Source: screenrant
=> ↺ https://screenrant.com/firefox-android-add-ons-extensions-best/
20:48 TR Bot; Best Add-ons (Extensions) For Firefox On Android | Screen Rant
20:49 TR News; Firefox 98.0.2 fixes a crash on Windows, an add-ons issue, and more - gHacks Tech News https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/23/firefox-98-0-2-fixes-a-crash-on-windows-an-add-ons-issue-and-more/ Source: ghacks
20:49 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ghacks.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/23/firefox-98-0-2-fixes-a-crash-on-windows-an-add-ons-issue-and-more/
20:49 TR Bot; Firefox 98.0.2 fixes a crash on Windows, an add-ons issue, and more - gHacks Tech News
20:50 TR News; Patent trap. Mozilla is finally adding AV1 support to Firefox a full two years after Chrome and Edge https://www.androidpolice.com/mozilla-is-finally-adding-av1-support-to-firefox-a-full-two-years-after-chrome-and-edge/ Source: androidpolice
20:50 Alternative link; Cloudflare: androidpolice.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.androidpolice.com/mozilla-is-finally-adding-av1-support-to-firefox-a-full-two-years-after-chrome-and-edge/
20:50 TR Bot; Mozilla is finally adding AV1 support to Firefox a full two years after Chrome and Edge
20:52 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: Microsoft was the dispatcher
20:52 schestowitz-TR; they want to pretend to have no responsibility
20:52 DaemonFC; "Pope says increasing military budgets and imposing sanctions is not a solution to war"
20:52 schestowitz-TR; as usual
20:52 DaemonFC; LOL, the Pope
20:52 bnchs; yes
20:52 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2019/07/14/blaming-canonical-for-github/
=> http://techrights.org/2019/07/14/blaming-canonical-for-github/
20:52 TR Bot; GitHub is Microsofts Proprietary Software and Centralised (Monopoly) Platform, But When Canonicals Account There Gets Compromised Suddenly Its Ubuntus Fault? | Techrights
20:52 bnchs; bur who thought of the idea
20:52 bnchs; brandon did
20:53 schestowitz; Microsoft was his distribution network
20:53 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3RNsZvdYZQ
=> ↺ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3RNsZvdYZQ
20:53 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=s3RNsZvdYZQ
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=s3RNsZvdYZQ
20:53 TR Bot; yewtu.be | The Line Must Be Drawn Here - Star Trek: First Contact (6/9) Movie CLIP (1996) HD - Invidious
20:53 schestowitz; otherwise he would have to convince people to get his malware from his site
20:53 schestowitz; Microsoft should never have been in charge of these things
20:53 schestowitz; they put the "supply chain" in the NSA's hands
20:53 bnchs; yes
20:53 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/02/28/microsoft-github-expose-part-xviii-the-story-of-npm/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/02/28/microsoft-github-expose-part-xviii-the-story-of-npm/
20:54 TR Bot; Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XVIII The Story of NPM | Techrights
20:54 bnchs; brandon's plan went flawless
20:54 bnchs; he made a package for a simple job
20:54 bnchs; waited until most popular packages depended on it
20:54 bnchs; then spread his malware through it
20:54 TR News; Firefox: AV1, Fixes, Addons, Changes, and Upselling MDN Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162958
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162958
20:54 TR Bot; Firefox: AV1, Fixes, Addons, Changes, and Upselling MDN | Tux Machines
20:55 schestowitz; no QA at Microsoft
20:55 schestowitz; they are good at banning peole
20:55 schestowitz; esp. for criticising Microsoft
20:55 schestowitz; but malware?
20:55 bnchs; it was so easy i could have paid 50 dollars to an adultery site
20:55 schestowitz; "Hey, WE DO THAT SHIT TOO!!"
20:55 DaemonFC; IBM bans people for criticizing Microsoft (and Nvidia).
20:55 schestowitz; ICBM is not a friend
20:55 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/ibm-led-mob/
=> http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/ibm-led-mob/
20:55 TR Bot; [Meme] IBM is NOT a Friend of Free Software | Techrights
20:55 DaemonFC; Just saying Nvidia's driver is proprietary, full of bugs, and causes data loss will get you banned from the Fedora "community".
20:56 DaemonFC; It does cause data loss sometimes when it freezes up THE ENTIRE COMPUTER and you have to hold the button in.
20:56 DaemonFC; The question is how much.
20:57 DaemonFC; There is no coordination between Nvidia and the Linux kernel developers, so nobody is really testing this to see how it works together or if some new kernel will introduce something that doesn't get along well with it.
20:57 bnchs; DaemonFC: i like how retarded users
20:57 bnchs; blame nvidia's sloppily coded kernel module
20:57 bnchs; on linux's fault
20:57 TR News; Do these animal consent to being there? https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-60850923
=> ↺ https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-60850923
20:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bbc.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-60850923
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-60850923
20:57 TR Bot; The Deep aquarium attraction marks 20th anniversary - BBC News
20:57 bnchs; "no its linux's fault that my PC crashed and lost all my work"
20:58 bnchs; never nvidia
20:58 TR News; Tell that to Bill Gates https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/our-communities/east/human-trafficking-must-end-576321662.html
=> ↺ https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/our-communities/east/human-trafficking-must-end-576321662.html
20:58 TR Bot; Human trafficking must end - Winnipeg Free Press
20:58 DaemonFC; Fedora's official position went from "We recommend you buy a video card from AMD or Intel so it will just work and won't break down all the time." to "If you use Nvidia, we go out of our way to support it, even when that's impossible and requires clumsy hacks that lead to more bugs.".
20:58 DaemonFC; "You have to support it because it's what people are buying!"
20:59 bnchs; maybe the linux kernel should make their taint messages more noticable
20:59 schestowitz; https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2022/03/22/hybrid-quantum-computing-ecosystem/
=> ↺ https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2022/03/22/hybrid-quantum-computing-ecosystem/
20:59 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nvidia.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2022/03/22/hybrid-quantum-computing-ecosystem/
20:59 TR Bot; Hybrid Quantum Computing Ecosystem Taps cuQuantum | NVIDIA Blogs
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 61.95 k/sec., IPFS upstream 96.60 average k/sec., average swarm size 207.11
20:59 DaemonFC; AMD's cards work fine with Intel CPUs.
20:59 DaemonFC; They work perfectly fine with Intel's CPUs.
20:59 bnchs; "warning: this module is proprietary, it may cause system instability or other problems."
20:59 DaemonFC; So whichever CPU vendor you use, just buy an AMD card and you won't have problems with a graphics driver on GNU/Linux. It will just be there in the Linux kernel and tested for function before each kernel goes out.
21:00 TR News; "You can also use a Text User Interface (TUI). In fact, you can build gdb the GNU Debugger with a built-in TUI mode." https://hackaday.com/2022/03/22/hacked-gdb-dashboard-puts-it-all-on-display/
=> ↺ https://hackaday.com/2022/03/22/hacked-gdb-dashboard-puts-it-all-on-display/
21:00 TR Bot; GDB Dashboard Puts It All On Display | Hackaday
21:00 DaemonFC; Only if people refuse to purchase things from Nvidia does the problem go away.
21:00 DaemonFC; Either they'll open source a driver that works, or they'll as least be financially damaged. Either way it won't be your problem because you no longer depend on them.
21:00 schestowitz-TR; most people do not buy nvidia
21:00 schestowitz-TR; they buy a pc
21:01 schestowitz-TR; the oem puts nvidia in that
21:01 bnchs; the OS should warn the user
21:01 bnchs; if the user installs proprietary drivers
21:01 bnchs; and say "the kernel is not responsible for issues caused by driver"
21:01 DaemonFC; AMD CPUs automatically have AMD integrated GPUs the majority of the time. The OEM would have to pay more to license something from Nvidia and therefore usually doesn't.
21:01 TR News; [Update: Removed for repair] Read as: BS 'reporting' https://9to5google.com/2022/03/22/google-removes-popular-android-statues-from-mountain-view-hq/
=> ↺ https://9to5google.com/2022/03/22/google-removes-popular-android-statues-from-mountain-view-hq/
21:01 TR Bot; removes Android statues from Mountain View HQ - 9to5Google
21:02 DaemonFC; With an Intel setup, most of the time it has an Intel integrated GPU.
21:02 DaemonFC; Putting Nvidia in would only cost more, so it doesn't happen unless it's a "gaming laptop".
21:03 bnchs; nvidia is like the microsoft of GPUs
21:03 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I've been buying and freezing a bunch of steak, chicken, and ground beef again.
21:03 bnchs; they invent their own "standard" (CUDA, and shit)
21:03 bnchs; their drivers are proprietary
21:03 bnchs; they lock in programs with their "standard"
21:03 DaemonFC; Hopefully I can at least get us through the next year or so before we have to worry about price hikes.... (or not being able to get what we want at all).
21:03 TR News; Linux on the M1 Is Already Beating Apple at Its Own Game http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162909#comment-33182
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162909#comment-33182
21:03 TR Bot; Asahi Linux: The Individual Users Stake in an Apple Silicon World | Tux Machines
21:03 DaemonFC; There can be a food shortage in someone else's house.
21:06 TR News; Project Zero: Racing against the clock -- hitting a tiny kernel race window https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2022/03/racing-against-clock-hitting-tiny.html Source: gulag projectzero
=> ↺ https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2022/03/racing-against-clock-hitting-tiny.html
21:06 TR Bot; Project Zero: Racing against the clock -- hitting a tiny kernel race window
21:07 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: very hungry people become very violent very fast
21:07 schestowitz-TR; maybe biden will pull another 109 trillion dollars ain loan
21:07 schestowitz-TR; and pass it to waltons
21:08 schestowitz-TR; to 'feed the hungry'
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21:08 DaemonFC; Hence gun.
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21:08 schestowitz-TR; to keep the pitchforks aside
21:08 immibis; I heard they're planning to pay people to burn more dinosaurs
21:08 DaemonFC; Mom has a gun now.
21:08 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162959
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162959
21:08 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
21:08 immibis; DaemonFC: then civilization is already fucked and you're fighting to not be one of the ones who inevitably dies
21:08 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: sounds like usland is about to invade mexico
21:08 schestowitz-TR; for peacekeeping... from drug gangs
21:08 DaemonFC; I've installed additional locks on my door so that they give me more time to load my revolver for them.
21:09 immibis; nature: "Okay, 2 billion people are going to die. Who's it gonna be?"
21:09 DaemonFC; They're going to get something when they break down my door, but it won't be food.
21:09 immibis; DaemonFC: will they be black?
21:09 DaemonFC; Most likely. That's who lives in this neighborhood.
21:09 DaemonFC; It actually keeps rent down byt about a third vs. living anywhere else in this godforsaken country.
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21:11 DaemonFC; Anyone who bothers to be a landlord here knows they can't command high rent.
21:11 DaemonFC; Most black people who live here are broke and the white people who are totally-not-racist Democrats pay more to live somewhere they're not at.
21:12 DaemonFC; I've thought about ditching the car and just dealing with $1,300 a month rent that's across from where Mandy works.
21:13 DaemonFC; When gas cost less I was considering it less.
21:13 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, They've been blaring ads for an app called getupside on the radio.
21:13 DaemonFC; They claim it pays you to use certain gas stations instead of others.
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21:14 DaemonFC; Users reviewing it in the Play Store say it's almost impossible to cash out and get your money.
21:14 bnchs; lol
21:14 DaemonFC; They also say that getupside often doesn't process your receipts because it will say you went to the wrong gas station because the address in the app was wrong by one street number.
21:14 bnchs; another shitty scam
21:14 bnchs; DUMPED
21:15 DaemonFC; They also complain that the app lies about gas prices.
21:15 DaemonFC; It'll say things like "Go to this station and it's $3.99 a gallon right now and we'll give you 11 cents a gallon off.
21:15 DaemonFC; So you drive there and it's actually $4.29, and had you gone to the Shell down the road, it would have been $4.09 that day.
21:16 bnchs; shitty scam
21:16 bnchs; dont trust anything that relies on sponsorships
21:16 DaemonFC; Yes, "Oh look, an app that pays me to fill up my gas tank!".
21:16 DaemonFC; Too good to be true.
21:16 DaemonFC; Credit cards often have high gas rewards to draw people to sign up for the card, and you really do get those rewards though.
21:18 MinceR; https://hugelolcdn.com/i/818217.jpg
=> ↺ https://hugelolcdn.com/i/818217.jpg
21:18 Alternative link; Cloudflare: hugelolcdn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/818217.jpg
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/818217.jpg
21:20 DaemonFC; I think the best I can do is about a 6.5% discount to gasoline.
21:21 DaemonFC; Coming from my credit card rewards, my Murphy gasoline discount, and buying E15 (and adjusting for the small loss of gas mileage).
21:21 activelow; in germany it is more than $10 per gallon (~2.20Euros/liter); before the Ukraine escalation it was ~1.75Euros/liter ~$8/gallon
21:21 DaemonFC; Yes, which is also why there's all those European clown cars.
21:22 DaemonFC; It's always been incredibly expensive there.
21:22 DaemonFC; Probably due to taxation. Who knows? I don't know.
21:22 DaemonFC; You'd probably know better than me.
21:22 activelow; with recent tax-cuts in some European countries price was lowered from $10 back to $8/gallon
21:22 DaemonFC; All those "free" social programs.
21:22 DaemonFC; How do those work?
21:22 DaemonFC; :)
21:22 TR News; "So yes, as it turned out NetBSD was just running happily on the Pi, but was cut off from the net. After I reset the adapter everything was fine again." gopher://sdfeu.org:70/0/users/glaciurso/phlog/2022-03-24__Sick.md
21:23 activelow; and it is both, too expensive in Europe and far to cheap in USA... where most of the "eco" and "climate" quackery is produced
21:23 DaemonFC; Oh there's plenty of nuts and fruits in Europe, or from Europe.
21:23 schestowitz-TR; it is not quackery
21:23 DaemonFC; mjg59_ moved from there to the land of fruits, nuts, and flakes.
21:23 DaemonFC; California
21:24 activelow; a current discussion over Ukraine is, if energy contracts are negotiated with USD, Euros or Rubles
21:24 DaemonFC; Oh it's definitely too expensive in Europe and that's because of bad government policies.
21:24 activelow; government policies dictated by USA mainly
21:24 DaemonFC; It would be CHEAPER in Illinois if the government would get their goddamned hands out of our pockets.
21:25 DaemonFC; They always up the tax and tell us how the roads will be better.
21:25 DaemonFC; Years go by. Roads are just as shitty as before.
21:25 DaemonFC; Doing all kinds of damage to your car.
21:25 DaemonFC; Only now you can't even afford to fix it because the politicians gave people in Chicago more welfare instead of fixing the roads.
21:26 DaemonFC; We voted on a Transportation Tax Lock Box in a constitutional referendum.
21:26 DaemonFC; It says simply that all transit taxes have to go to roads and transportation infrastructure.
21:26 activelow; surprisingly, there is probably contracts with USD involved, in Ukraine; instead of Euros or Rubles
21:26 DaemonFC; So then after I vote for it and it passes, the Democrats figured out how to pay for "social justice" projects and call it transportation while the fucking potholes are still there.
21:27 DaemonFC; RIGHT THERE!
21:27 DaemonFC; Even if Euros were accepted as payment for oil, you would not get much relief.
21:27 TR News; England (or UK) released latest mortality report today https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1062949/Weekly_report_mortality__W12.pdf last week's: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1061500/Weekly_report_mortality__W11.pdf
=> ↺ https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1062949/Weekly_report_mortality__W12.pdf
=> ↺ https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1061500/Weekly_report_mortality__W11.pdf
21:27 Alternative link; Cloudflare: service.gov.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1062949/Weekly_report_mortality__W12.pdf
21:27 DaemonFC; Again, it's problems with your government policies that are 90% of the problem here.
21:28 DaemonFC; Including taxation and limiting what you can refine and bottlenecking production all around.
21:28 DaemonFC; You're about to get it a whole lot worse.
21:28 TR News; The excess deaths in England and Wales, charted https://www.statista.com/statistics/1131428/excess-deaths-in-england-and-wales/
=> ↺ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1131428/excess-deaths-in-england-and-wales/
21:28 TR Bot; Excess deaths in England and Wales 2022 | Statista
21:28 DaemonFC; Because now Putin says they won't sell you natural gas or oil except in RUBLES.
21:29 DaemonFC; So if you thought having to resort to paying in Dollars for a lot of that was bad, wait until this starts.
21:29 activelow; whose policies? the most prominent agitators of high "carbon tax" are "Alliance90/greens", and those are controlled by and minions of USA/Washington/RAND Corp. California Tesla Shareholders
21:29 DaemonFC; We've got the same problem brewing here.
21:29 DaemonFC; Look at what gas DOES cost in California.
21:29 DaemonFC; It's nearly $8 in some places because of liberal nutcases.
21:29 activelow; that's why, "carbon certificates" were agitated for, by USA and minions, because Tesla acquired enormous amounts of those certificates by producing economically and ecologically hazardous vehicles
21:30 DaemonFC; Elon Musk is full of shit and so are battery cars.
21:30 DaemonFC; They lose 57% of their range per charge in an Illinois winter.
21:30 DaemonFC; So for more than half the year, you lose 50% of your rated MPGe.
21:30 DaemonFC; Woohoo.
21:30 activelow; ordinary combustion engine vehicle producers then are forced to acquire those certificates, that's what the "value" of Tesla is (although their cars are shiny, that's not the deal)
21:30 TR News; "Excess deaths refers to the number of deaths in this week minus average number of deaths in England and Wales for the corresponding week in the previous five years." This means we now use a reference of two years of COVID-19, plus 3 without it. Not a very useful metric.
21:31 DaemonFC; WGN did an article on the cost to run an electric car and failed to mention that the MPGe only accounts for warm weather.
21:31 DaemonFC; The whole thing is a scam to prop up an EV industry that would never exist otherwise.
21:31 activelow; it is a scam to funnel cash into "carbon certificates"
21:32 DaemonFC; And in Illinois, they're taxing my fuel and buying these ridiculous EV locomotive engines for Metra.
21:32 DaemonFC; Get a load of that shit.
21:32 DaemonFC; EV buses, too.
21:32 DaemonFC; Which they can never run at scale because there's not enough electricity in the first place, because the Democrats are at war with all kinds of power.
21:32 DaemonFC; They're the ULTIMATE BANANA party.
21:32 activelow; anyway, seems Ukrainian Oil and Gas are the new "renewable energy" now
21:32 DaemonFC; It's not just NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard), it's BANANA.
21:33 DaemonFC; Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anyone.
21:33 TR News; As a hypothetical example, if in 2017-2019 we have excess deaths Xx3 and then in 2020 it was X+1000 and in 2021 X+2000, then now X+600 is considered absolutely "normal"...
21:33 DaemonFC; So they have us limping by on subsidized nuclear power with another brick through our metaphorical window with ComEd ransom letters every year.
21:33 bnchs; why does it always end up being bad when you tell the truth to your therapist
21:33 DaemonFC; And they're shutting down pretty much everything but that, except for solar and wind, which are both intermittent.
21:34 bnchs; you have to lie to them
21:34 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR would like ComEd because the corruption is at all levels.
21:35 DaemonFC; They make us subsidize our own "cheap" energy, along with political bribes that our former House Speaker is literally on trial over now....FELONIES.....then the people the guy picked to run ComEd, which they bribed him to install there, spend our money to migrate their computing platform INTO Microsoft Azure.
21:36 DaemonFC; Then everything they steal from us is for a good cause. Microsoft Azure = Lower Carbon Footprint says Communist Edison.
21:38 DaemonFC; The Future Energy Jobs Act created no new jobs and produced no energy.
21:38 DaemonFC; In fact, it shut down three coal plants and gave ComEd another $685 million to keep outdated nuclear plants running longer.
21:39 schestowitz; lots of CPUs https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-In-Field-Scan
=> ↺ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-In-Field-Scan
21:39 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-In-Field-Scan
21:39 TR Bot; "In-Field Scan" Coming With Sapphire Rapids As New Silicon Failure Testing Feature - Phoronix
21:39 DaemonFC; Indiana had the right idea, at the wrong time.
21:39 DaemonFC; They spent a ton of money on a coal-to-gas plant and then never brought it online.
21:40 schestowitz; Entire racks https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=2022&image=intel_sandy_alder_lrg
=> ↺ https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=2022&image=intel_sandy_alder_lrg
21:40 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=2022&image=intel_sandy_alder_lrg
21:40 TR Bot; Image (Intel Sandy Alder)
21:40 DaemonFC; If it was running right now, it could take cheap coal, remove the impurities, turn it into natural gas, and pit it in the gas pipes for 30% cheaper than natural gas.
21:40 schestowitz; I cannot locate the photos of his second DC or shack with all these goods
21:40 schestowitz; "Gifts"
21:40 DaemonFC; *put
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21:41 schestowitz; Boxed https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=2022&image=linux_517_lrg
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21:41 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=2022&image=linux_517_lrg
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=2022&image=linux_517_lrg
21:41 TR Bot; Image (Linux 517)
21:41 schestowitz; there might be like 1000 CPUs in his home
21:41 schestowitz; who's even counting?
21:41 DaemonFC; The US has so much coal we could hardly use all of it in the next 200 years if we decided to.
21:41 DaemonFC; You can even turn it into gasoline.
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21:42 DaemonFC; The Nazis did is with technology that existed in the 1940s.
21:42 schestowitz; https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=rosewill-rsv-4310&image=rosewill_rsv4310_1_lrg
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21:42 DaemonFC; I'm sure we could manage to do it better now.
21:43 DaemonFC; If we wanted to absolutely ruin Russia, we have all of the tools and resources to do that.
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21:44 DaemonFC; Those filthy Arab countries too.
21:44 DaemonFC; When you have Democrats you get the worst possible outcome.
21:45 DaemonFC; They tell us we can't afford to extract fossil fuels because of the environment, but we keep using more every year anyway, and paying to prop up dictators and other monsters to sell it to us instead.
21:45 bnchs; schestowitz: when AMD sends you tons of CPUs
21:46 bnchs; you gotta have to do a favor for them
21:46 DaemonFC; At least AMD keeps people on after they turn 40.
21:46 schestowitz; Getting closer https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Server-Room-More-Storage
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21:46 TR Bot; More Storage For The Benchmarking Room & More - Phoronix
21:46 schestowitz; there is a second room IIRC
21:46 DaemonFC; Instead of wanting a fresh crop of idiots who work cheap and produce the buggiest chips ever.
21:47 bnchs; more room
21:47 bnchs; hmmm
21:47 bnchs; did he have to demolish a wall for that
21:47 DaemonFC; Intel is like Microsoft. They panic because they've fucked shit up and start an "acquisition binge".
21:47 schestowitz; 6 years ago https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-room-one&num=4
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21:47 TR Bot; One Year Redux On The Basement Computer Room For Benchmarking 50+ Systems Daily - Phoronix
21:47 DaemonFC; Overpaying for things that they'll either shut down to stop competition or won't utilize efficiently.
21:48 DaemonFC; The Simpsons had an episode in the early 90s that's still absolutely Microsoft today.
21:49 schestowitz; Michael on the right https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=0x2011&image=xdc_2012day1_5_lrg
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21:49 DaemonFC; Bill Gates hears that Homer started a dotcom company and swoops in to buy it and smash up all of the computer equipment in Homer's house even not understanding what the company actually does.
21:49 DaemonFC; Their job isn't to acquire things and improve Microsoft.
21:50 schestowitz; btw, to clarify
21:50 schestowitz; this isn't about the hoarding
21:50 DaemonFC; It's to suck the oxygen out of the room so you have to use their products even if they're much worse.
21:50 schestowitz; but about the excess gifting
21:50 schestowitz; which then results in covert marketing
21:50 schestowitz-TR; I'm sure I saw some photos before that I cannot find anymore
21:50 DaemonFC; I figure the "chicken shortage" is probably a self-fulfilling prophesy, or they hope it becomes one.
21:50 schestowitz-TR; not that they were removed
21:51 DaemonFC; The thing they did, schestowitz-TR ....
21:51 schestowitz-TR; I just don't know how to refine the search
21:51 DaemonFC; Walmart no longer carries much of their generic chicken anymore.
21:51 DaemonFC; But is overflowing with Tyson and Perdue.
21:51 DaemonFC; Which is essentially price fixing by way of forcing anyone who wants chicken onto the expensive brand.
21:52 DaemonFC; I've cooked with both Walmart's brand "freshness guaranteed" and with Tyson and Perdue (when I can find it on markdown), and there's no meaningful quality difference in the food I make that I can discern.
21:53 DaemonFC; The Tyson and Perdue labels just mean you'll be paying another $1.50 per pound for that chicken.
21:53 DaemonFC; In fact, they owe me class action money still for a chicken price fixing lawsuit they settled last year.
21:54 DaemonFC; If you go to every store and the price is exactly the same or never varies by more than a few cents, you've got price fixing.
21:55 DaemonFC; One thing Walmart does to make their chicken look less expensive than the same brand at Jewel or Kroger, is Jewel and Kroger charge you for the chicken and tare their scale to disregard the package weight.
21:55 DaemonFC; Walmart throws in the weight of the package and charges you a lower unit price.
21:55 DaemonFC; In the end, the price you pay for the chicken in the package is roughly the same.
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22:08 schestowitz; btw
22:08 schestowitz; just did some surveying of twitter
22:08 schestowitz; after 3 weeks
22:08 schestowitz; posted nothing
22:08 schestowitz; just looked around
22:08 schestowitz; it's becoming very dead
22:09 schestowitz; people whom I know that got like 10 "likes" per tweet years ago are now at 0 or 1
22:09 schestowitz; sometimes 2
22:09 schestowitz; the engagement (what they call it) is down sharply
22:09 schestowitz; I hope participation in FB, Twitter, and all these censorship hubs will go down to zero
22:10 schestowitz; people might even find out what the Internet really is
22:11 schestowitz; Apple Mac LOL https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=0x2011&image=xds2012_nue_mass_lrg
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22:12 schestowitz; Is that Keith Packard? https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=0x2011&image=xds2012_nue_prost_lrg
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22:13 DaemonFC; Twitter is a dead platform.
22:13 DaemonFC; It's full of politicians and corporate PR shit.
22:13 DaemonFC; It's totally meaningless now.
22:13 schestowitz; https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=0x2011&image=belgium_brussels_fosdem3_lrg
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22:14 schestowitz-TR; celebs and politicians
22:14 schestowitz-TR; the trouble is,
22:14 DaemonFC; They spent years letting Trump break all of their rules and even call for people to be murdered because he drove "engagement".
22:14 schestowitz-TR; twitter traffic is down
22:14 schestowitz-TR; and twitter channels what's left to high-propfile people
22:14 schestowitz-TR; who make twitter seem like it's a busy hub
22:14 schestowitz-TR; it does so at the expense of ordinary longtime users
22:14 schestowitz-TR; who twitter diverts attention away from
22:14 DaemonFC; I don't know exactly how I'll be voting in the upcoming elections.
22:15 schestowitz-TR; it's more profitable this way
22:15 schestowitz-TR; like TikTok getting caught banning ugly people
22:15 DaemonFC; I was considering one of the Republicans because he was on the Metra board of directors and opposed some corrupt CEOs.
22:15 DaemonFC; But then I did some digging and he's also being propped up by some anti-gay marriage PAC.
22:15 DaemonFC; I have no idea what they think he can accomplish as the governor of Illinois on that front.
22:16 DaemonFC; Probably just hoping he can get away with any sort of harassment the platform brings them.
22:16 DaemonFC; Metra should have been reformed years ago.
22:16 DaemonFC; They need new equipment, but have no money because they kept fares down for so long.
22:17 DaemonFC; And they need to modernize ticketing to make fare evasion much harder to raise money for expenses.
22:17 DaemonFC; People get away with fare evasion, especially on the lines managed by Union Pacific, because UP doesn't want the contract anymore and they figure if they can bleed Metra like a stuck pig by not checking tickets, Metra will stop fighting them in court.
22:19 activelow; gay marriage is a private matter, which politicians or government have no authority over to interfere either supporting or denying it, it's none of their business, to begin with
22:20 MinceR; putler disagrees
22:21 activelow; too many political supporters of gay marriage peddle with private affairs, which are none of their concerns
22:22 activelow; and I remember a documentary broadcasted by Russia Today, some transgender and gay issues, and it wasn't offensive at all
22:22 schestowitz-TR; just got good news
22:22 DaemonFC; If the government is the one that licenses marriage, then it should be available to all consenting adults on the same terms.
22:22 schestowitz-TR; from EPO
22:22 schestowitz-TR; the strike was very effective
22:22 DaemonFC; I think you'd be nuts to try to manage a polygamous marriage, but if I was making the laws it wouldn't be illegal.
22:23 MinceR; marriage is not the state's business
22:23 MinceR; they should stay the fuck out of it
22:23 DaemonFC; Like everything, they manipulate you using it.
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22:23 DaemonFC; They act like it's a right that only exists within their laws.
22:24 DaemonFC; Nothing offends the government more than the concept of the natural rights of man.
22:24 MinceR; they also try to manipulate people into marrying, typically using the tax system
22:24 DaemonFC; Yes, absolutely!
22:25 DaemonFC; I pointed out we would have paid 93 times as much in federal income tax if we were single for the most recent year.
22:25 DaemonFC; My dad says "You're not really married. You're just taking advantage of a system that was designed for real married couples to make it easier to have children.".
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22:25 bnchs; i dont get marriage at all
22:26 DaemonFC; I said, "You've been married to Jan for over 20 years, no children, and I doubt you're filing separately on taxes."
22:26 bnchs; do you need to sign legal papers for friendship aswell?
22:26 DaemonFC; He's barking up the wrong tree.
22:26 DaemonFC; Like I don't have anything to fire back with.
22:27 DaemonFC; What the hell is his marriage for, under his own "definition", if he doesn't have kids from it and his wife was NEVER capable of having kids and is in her late 60s as well now?
22:27 DaemonFC; As far as not being able to have kids goes, his marriage is either as legitimate or illegitimate as a same-sex marriage.
22:27 activelow; DaemonFC: children have a right to grow up inside families, with both their mother and their father
22:27 DaemonFC; DaemonFC: children have a right to grow up inside families, with both their mother and their father
22:28 DaemonFC; My parents also violated that, if you consider it to be a right that I had.
22:28 DaemonFC; They divorced when I was 15, and when my brother was 6.
22:28 activelow; that's why, i am sceptical, about some feminist ideals of same-sex marriage, where fathers are absent
22:29 DaemonFC; Then if that's not bad enough, neither one of them wanted to deal with my brother and sent him away to live with my grandmother.
22:29 *activelow grew up without father too
22:29 DaemonFC; While he went off to go pork Jan and mom was with Gonad the Barbarian.
22:29 DaemonFC; Dad pretty much just left me in the house alone for weeks on end.
22:29 DaemonFC; Totally ignored.
22:29 DaemonFC; The upside, I guess, was he wasn't there.
22:30 DaemonFC; So I just did whatever I wanted. He left me with money to go grocery shopping and I mean, I got away with a bunch of things an unsupervised teenager would obviously do.
22:31 DaemonFC; Invite people over for sex? Why not. Order cigars off the Internet? Go for it. Dad won't be home when the mail gets there.
22:32 DaemonFC; For about 2 years, I was left to raise myself.
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22:32 DaemonFC; The truancy officer was threatening my parents with being hauled before a judge because I wasn't in school when I was 15.
22:32 DaemonFC; Neither of them would enforce me going to school.
22:33 DaemonFC; So the second I turned 16, my mom and dad were at the door of the local high school to sign papers to make it legal for me to drop out of high school.
22:35 DaemonFC; Then I just went and got my GED instead. It wasn't difficult. Lots of people study for it. They have big books for it and everything. I didn't even learn a lot of what was on the test in school. I just went in there and took it and only missed a few questions along the way. They give you 2.5 hours per half, and each night I was done in 20 minutes or so and asked to use the phone so I could get a ride home.
22:35 DaemonFC; That was always kind of my attitude about K-12 education.
22:36 DaemonFC; "OMFG THIS IS BORING! I KNOW THIS ALREADY! KILL ME! PLEASE KILL ME!!!!"
22:36 DaemonFC; That and the bullying. Lots of bullying going on there.
22:37 DaemonFC; The only reason there are 12 grades in school (plus Kindergarten too, if you count it) is because they slow everything down due to the retards in the back of the class.
22:37 DaemonFC; And then you're lucky if they cover half the book by the end of the year.
22:38 DaemonFC; Then if you're still too retarded, they have a special class for retards that can't get a D in the normal class.
22:38 schestowitz-TR; can you reead draft?
22:38 DaemonFC; This is why people who care about their kids and want them to succeed don't act like my dad did.
22:39 DaemonFC; "I PAY TAXES FOR IT SO YOU'RE GOING THERE, DAMMIT!"
22:39 DaemonFC; They put their kids in private schools.
22:39 DaemonFC; And that's why we need school choice vouchers.
22:39 DaemonFC; 1. To break corrupt public unions like Chicago Teachers Union. 2. So the kids who want to learn have a fighting chance.
22:39 DaemonFC; can you reead draft?
22:39 DaemonFC; Yeah
22:40 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/epo-fake-patents-plunge-in-number/
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22:40 TR Bot; With EPO Strike Participation in the Thousands, European Patents Plunge in Number | Techrights
22:40 DaemonFC; Public school is what you get when you give education to the government.
22:40 DaemonFC; The government doesn't want the people going there to be smart enough to see that they're surrounded by bullshit.
22:40 DaemonFC; So it educates them, but only to a certain point.
22:41 DaemonFC; "Highest result"
22:41 DaemonFC; Do you mean "Lowest"?
22:42 schestowitz-TR; i will calarify
22:43 MinceR; (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mK3wFkGFvg
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22:43 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9mK3wFkGFvg
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22:43 TR Bot; yewtu.be | beautiful blackberry - Invidious
22:43 DaemonFC; "surveyed stuff"
22:43 DaemonFC; staff?
22:43 DaemonFC; Although, people are stuff, that's a little rude to call them that.
22:43 DaemonFC; :)
22:43 schestowitz-TR; yes, saw and ciorected that since
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22:50 DaemonFC; "Orsk, a Russian warship, was recently featured as part of a lengthy news report on the pro-Putin international TV network, RT. The next day the ship exploded in Ukraine.
22:50 DaemonFC; The television piece opens with drone video looking down on the Orsk as the reporter mentions the vessel by name. As the camera shows an armored personnel carrier being slowly lifted off the ship, the reporter declares, This is a unique sight: a Russian naval armada at a port which Ukrainian troops had abandoned without a fight, leaving its facilities entirely intact.
22:50 DaemonFC; Later, standing on deck, the reporter reveals some of the ships weaponry, including two large naval guns, before going on to detail the ships main function as a landing vessel. "
22:50 DaemonFC; :)
22:50 DaemonFC; Two other Russian ships were heavily damaged as well.
22:50 DaemonFC; Potentially beyond repair.
22:51 DaemonFC; But the fact that the Orsk was featured on RT the day before being blown up by "Ukrainian forces that abandoned the port without a fight" (RT) was hilarious.
22:52 DaemonFC; I'm certain that unless the Russians have VPNs and read that the Orsk was blown up, there will certainly be nobody telling them about it.
22:52 DaemonFC; XRevan86, ^ :)
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22:54 DaemonFC; Okay, RT seems to be in Third Gear of bullshit now.
22:54 DaemonFC; They're targeting readers on their English language site with anti-American propaganda.
22:55 DaemonFC; First it was mostly just lies about how their war was going.
22:55 DaemonFC; Now they barely talk about the war and start talking about how messed up America supposedly is. Maybe it's for their own sake.
22:56 DaemonFC; The average Russian has been on a declining standard of living since the USSR fell apart, and it wasn't that great to begin with.
22:56 DaemonFC; The average Russian man is lucky to make it much past 60.
22:56 DaemonFC; Here, you're usually planning to be around for 20 or 30 more years at that point.
22:58 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I started taking blood pressure medicine a couple of days ago.
22:58 schestowitz-TR; at age 38?
22:58 DaemonFC; I went to the doctor because it started regularly running too high, and I took care of the problem.
22:58 DaemonFC; Oh, John's was so high he was on it at 20.
22:59 DaemonFC; I took him to the doctor to get on it because he let it run sky high and then got nose bleeds.
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 41.38 k/sec., IPFS upstream 23.45 average k/sec., average swarm size 311.73
22:59 DaemonFC; So when we got the blood pressure under control, I took him to another doctor and had them cauterize the artery so it wouldn't bleed.
22:59 DaemonFC; It told him if he came off the blood pressure medicine then he would be doing kidney damage and most likely stroke out by the time he was my age, and that the nose bleeds would come back.
23:00 DaemonFC; A few months in he stopped taking it.
23:00 DaemonFC; Nose bleeds came right back.
23:00 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Yeah, I'm on a different type of medication than John or my mother or father or brother are on.
23:00 DaemonFC; It's a newer one with fewer side effects.
23:00 schestowitz; DaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/the-tony-lists-registry/
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23:01 TR Bot; [Meme] Not Registering for the Oppressor | Techrights
23:01 DaemonFC; Well, John was on, rather.
23:01 DaemonFC; I keep trying to fix people who don't seem to actually appreciate the help.
23:01 DaemonFC; You'd think not wanting your heart to explode would be incentive enough to fill a cheap generic medicine.
23:01 DaemonFC; But nooooooooo.
23:02 DaemonFC; An ex of mine had a stroke at 35.
23:02 DaemonFC; 35!
23:02 DaemonFC; He smokes though.
23:02 DaemonFC; That never helps anything.
23:02 schestowitz-TR; you smoked also
23:02 DaemonFC; A little bit. Not like that.
23:03 DaemonFC; Smoking is all kinds of bad for the heart.
23:03 DaemonFC; So I'm sure it played a role in him having a stroke.
23:03 DaemonFC; It raises your bad cholesterol, destroys the good cholesterol, increases triglycerides, and increases blood pressure directly.
23:04 DaemonFC; For some people they can solve their high blood pressure entirely just by quitting cigarettes. It's the only reason it's high.
23:04 DaemonFC; For others, the cigarettes certainly make it worse.
23:05 DaemonFC; The doctor started me on Irbesartan.
23:05 DaemonFC; I had not heard of it before because a lot of the doctors still like to use lisinopril.
23:06 DaemonFC; Lisinopril is much more likely to cause you to faint.
23:06 DaemonFC; My dad was on it when he was my age. It was brand-only then, called Zestril.
23:06 DaemonFC; And Dr. Botkin put him on it.
23:07 DaemonFC; I remember my dad passing out a couple of times because he stood up too fast.
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23:07 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, It also caused him to pass out on roller coasters.
23:07 DaemonFC; But he still went on them.
23:08 schestowitz-TR; He feltOK
23:08 DaemonFC; The medications work by relaxing your blood vessels, so anything that causes a sudden large change in blood pressure can cause fainting.
23:08 DaemonFC; Or lightheadedness.
23:08 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Yes, you mentioned Ahnuld.
23:09 DaemonFC; And how he was alive only because medicine gave him years back that he squandered.
23:09 DaemonFC; With the steroids and the cigars.
23:09 DaemonFC; My dad is alive because medicine gave him years back that he took from himself by smoking and having a really shitty diet.
23:09 DaemonFC; Same with grandma, and mom, and my brother.
23:10 DaemonFC; And me too I suppose, at some point.
23:10 DaemonFC; The body is capable of self-repair to an extent, but putting unnecessary stress on it isn't a great idea.
23:11 DaemonFC; One reason why people who get their vaccines live longer, statistically, is because being sick with vaccine-preventable illnesses are very hard on you.
23:11 DaemonFC; Even the flu.
23:12 DaemonFC; All of that inflammation just from the flu can mean the difference between getting and not getting dementia (or getting dementia earlier or more severe) later in life.
23:12 DaemonFC; The damage is cumulative.
23:12 TR News; What's "magic" about it? Nothing. Pure hype from Apple. I had a better portable keyboard 20 years ago. https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/deal-apple-magic-keyboard-for-11-ipad-pro/
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23:12 DaemonFC; The Alzheimer's Foundation recommends getting your flu shots.
23:12 DaemonFC; But mom won't hear any of it.
23:12 DaemonFC; She's convinced the vaccine causes dementia.
23:13 DaemonFC; Even though we have stats on groups that do get the flu shots, and those that don't. Observational studies, right?
23:13 DaemonFC; And there's a sharp difference, in favor, of the group that got their flu shots.
23:13 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/24/state-sponsored-russian-cyber-actors-targeted-energy-sector-2011
23:13 TR Bot; State-Sponsored Russian Cyber Actors Targeted Energy Sector from 2011 to 2018 | CISA
23:14 DaemonFC; Modern medicine is terrific. I wish that more people could afford it.
23:14 TR News; Is Microsoft a National Security Threat? Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/07/19/microsoft-national-security/ Source: Techrights | GNU | Linux | FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/19/microsoft-national-security/
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23:14 TR Bot; Is Microsoft a National Security Threat? | Techrights
23:14 DaemonFC; Obamacare has driven out people who could previously pay cash to see their doctor and fill their maintenance meds. Forced them to buy junk insurance that doesn't kick in until they've spent $9,000 that year.
23:15 DaemonFC; Although that's a lot easier when medication costs have more than tripled, and seeing the doctor is 12 times more expensive.
23:15 DaemonFC; On balance, it's damaged people more than it is worth, by a factor of at least 10.
23:16 DaemonFC; Health Insurance companies are not "healthcare" they don't provide anything.
23:16 DaemonFC; They take in a dollar, pay out about 60 cents in "healthcare" telling you what you're allowed to have.
23:16 DaemonFC; The top line discounts are from forming an illegal cartel with hospitals and doctors groups to bill an insane fake price, and only give discounts to people with "insurance".
23:17 DaemonFC; This isn't much less corrupt than the mafia selling you "fire insurance".
23:17 DaemonFC; If you have no insurance, they'll ruin your "credit rating".....blackmail.
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23:18 DaemonFC; And potentially the only way to preclude a lawsuit would be to negotiate to pay 40-50% of the amount to the collection agency to keep it out of court.
23:18 DaemonFC; The Democrats have been worse on healthcare than the Republicans ever were.
23:19 DaemonFC; At least when the Republicans let everyone fend for themselves, the doctors had to charge less because otherwise they couldn't get the business to fill all of their time slots.
23:19 TR News; Foundries and Arduino Team To Patch IoT Devices http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162945#comment-33184
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23:19 TR Bot; Portenta X8 is the first Linux Arduino board | Tux Machines
23:19 DaemonFC; MinceR is right about the Democrats. He gets what's happening here.
23:20 DaemonFC; Their goal is to obviously destroy their party by ruining people with "help" they didn't need and "taxes" they can't afford, and to make them so pissed off by saying they are all "entitled and privileged" for being white and living in the ghetto.
23:21 MinceR; i don't remember saying that
23:21 TR News; "This is a recorded online presentation about curl that I did today, March 24 2022. How it started, grew, where it is today, how we make it and where it perhaps might go in the future." https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/24/let-me-tell-you-about-curl/
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23:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: haxx.se | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/24/let-me-tell-you-about-curl/
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23:21 TR Bot; me tell you about curl | daniel.haxx.se
23:22 TR News; 'Solutions' (gimmicks) in search of a REAL problem https://www.maketecheasier.com/scan-qr-code-from-image-mobile/
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23:22 TR Bot; How to Scan QR Codes from a Screenshot or Image on Android and iPhone - Make Tech Easier
23:23 TR News; Actions by (and courage of) the examiners at the EPO have yielded a massive difference in so-called production (managements lowering of the quality bar in order to fake growth) http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/epo-fake-patents-plunge-in-number/
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23:23 TR Bot; With EPO Strike Participation in the Thousands, European Patents Plunge in Number | Techrights
23:23 TR News; Not many EPO workers have taken the bait/trap set up and put there by the person theyre protesting and striking against Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/the-tony-lists-registry/ Source: Techrights | EPO | Corruption| Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/24/the-tony-lists-registry/
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23:23 TR Bot; [Meme] Not Registering for the Oppressor | Techrights
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23:31 DaemonFC; i don't remember saying that
23:31 DaemonFC; Might have been SJWs.
23:31 DaemonFC; They're letting all of the fake SJWs like Matt Gulag have a "voice".
23:32 DaemonFC; He can richsplain and whitesplain to black people why they're suffering.
23:32 DaemonFC; While he, a rich white man, who has to send Roy hate mail, sees no irony.
23:36 TR News; Proprietary Software on Display Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162960
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23:36 TR Bot; Proprietary Software on Display | Tux Machines
23:36 TR News; Programming Leftovers and Free Software Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162961
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23:36 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers and Free Software | Tux Machines
23:37 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162962
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23:37 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
23:38 TR News; Links 24/3/2022: Arduino Returns to Linux | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/arduino-returns-to-linux/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/24/arduino-returns-to-linux/
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23:38 TR Bot; Links 24/3/2022: Arduino Returns to Linux | Techrights
23:40 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162963
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23:40 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
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