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00:00 DaemonFC; But it still didn't help too much.
00:00 schestowitz-TR; I'd surf differently back then
00:00 schestowitz-TR; and some sites had no images
00:00 schestowitz-TR; the text too would take time to load
00:00 schestowitz-TR; maybe 20 secs
00:00 DaemonFC; My ISP, Skynet, supported v.92.
00:01 schestowitz-TR; you are a bit younger than me
00:01 schestowitz-TR; 1.5 years
00:01 schestowitz-TR; I'm 39 still
00:01 schestowitz-TR; not next month :/
00:01 schestowitz-TR; the modem I had was 14.4
00:01 schestowitz-TR; some had the 28k
00:01 schestowitz-TR; then ISDN
00:01 schestowitz-TR; multiplexing
00:01 DaemonFC; I started out with this piece of shit WinModem.
00:01 schestowitz-TR; but that encouraged better content
00:02 DaemonFC; K56Flex or X2.
00:02 schestowitz-TR; yes, winmodem
00:02 schestowitz-TR; they called them that
00:02 DaemonFC; Luckily, the system on the other end could use either protocol.
00:02 schestowitz-TR; your PC came without a modem
00:02 schestowitz-TR; dialup winsock or whatever
00:02 schestowitz-TR; trumpet
00:02 schestowitz-TR; when done, go offline
00:02 schestowitz-TR; and keep the trolls behind
00:02 schestowitz-TR; scarcity helps people appreciate things more
00:03 schestowitz-TR; I'm back to reading email once a day or less
00:03 schestowitz; DaemonFC: typos? http://techrights.org/2021/12/07/epo-eu-assurances/
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00:03 TR Bot; [Meme] EU Assurances | Techrights
00:03 DaemonFC; There was a software update to v.90, and that was the only good thing about it.
00:04 schestowitz-TR; winnuke.exe
00:04 DaemonFC; It used the CPU, so the DSP could be upgraded without ripping out the whole modem.
00:04 schestowitz-TR; only try on friends ;-)
00:04 schestowitz-TR; antinuke.exe
00:04 schestowitz-TR; always run when connecting
00:04 schestowitz-TR; else, bsod
00:04 schestowitz-TR; if we had 'secure' boot back then
00:04 schestowitz-TR; then the nuke could maybe override the 'bios'
00:04 schestowitz-TR; and brick your PC ;-)
00:04 schestowitz-TR; some 'security'
00:05 DaemonFC; Mr. Goolag hated that. Mr. Goolag is going back to work on his Roomba.
00:05 schestowitz-TR; whop buys this shit?
00:05 schestowitz-TR; shits-for-brains
00:05 DaemonFC; Absolutely.
00:05 DaemonFC; John bought one when I left and bragged about it.
00:05 schestowitz-TR; I look at these things and laugh
00:05 schestowitz-TR; they don't even have power
00:05 schestowitz-TR; no socket, no power
00:05 schestowitz-TR; it's s toy
00:05 DaemonFC; I went back in while he was at work 2 weeks later to grab more stuff, and the entire house was trashed.
00:05 schestowitz-TR; on batteries
00:06 schestowitz-TR; you need AT LEAST 1000 watts on those things
00:06 DaemonFC; And here's this thing vacuuming 10 square feet of floor he kicked open in front of it and then parking itself. :)
00:06 schestowitz-TR; what next? electric planes?
00:06 schestowitz-TR; some people try to sell that too
00:06 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Metra is converting diesel-electric locomotives to all electric.
00:06 schestowitz-TR; good luck REPAIRING a Roomba
00:06 DaemonFC; It makes no sense at all.
00:07 schestowitz-TR; with a traditional one you can get spared and repair yourself
00:07 schestowitz-TR; unless it's bad engine or some core thing
00:07 schestowitz-TR; also, Roomba can get pwned, afaik
00:07 schestowitz-TR; via the appliance
00:07 schestowitz-TR; or the "app"
00:07 DaemonFC; The smarter thing would be to build 1500v overhead wires across the entire system and ditch the engine completely.
00:07 schestowitz-TR; to steal info about you and the home
00:07 DaemonFC; They'd have to do more work up front, but these electric locomotive engines running on batteries is the stupid short-term option.
00:08 DaemonFC; So we're doing this, I guess.
00:08 schestowitz-TR; until the company goes bust
00:08 schestowitz-TR; ythen you are on your own ;-)
00:08 schestowitz-TR; "on your own" ;-)
00:08 schestowitz-TR; I'm ALWAYS on my own
00:08 DaemonFC; It's somewhere between diesel and just running the system with overhead wires.
00:08 DaemonFC; It gets you like halfway to where you should be.
00:08 schestowitz-TR; my cleaner connects to nothing but a socket for voltage
00:08 DaemonFC; It's a half-measure, and I know enough to avoid those.
00:09 schestowitz-TR; maybe next up will be vacuum claners that run on diesel like mowers
00:09 schestowitz-TR; stinks up the home :-)
00:09 DaemonFC; If it had overhead wires, it would be more efficient and they'd never have to recycle a battery.
00:09 schestowitz-TR; ah
00:09 DaemonFC; There's not going to be anything more efficient than direct current.
00:09 schestowitz-TR; you beat me tto it
00:09 schestowitz-TR; re diesel
00:10 schestowitz-TR; we both used the diesel analogy at the same time
00:10 DaemonFC; You can still put electricity back into the lines at stops by using regenerative braking.
00:10 schestowitz-TR; electric powers are OK for small gardens
00:10 DaemonFC; Reverse the process to do DC to AC and then put it back out into the grid.
00:10 schestowitz-TR; where the wiring doesn't need to be a web of kludge
00:11 DaemonFC; Metra's Electric District is the most reliable.
00:11 DaemonFC; It's also the oldest.
00:11 DaemonFC; 98% on time, and the diesel lines are like 86-92% usually.
00:11 DaemonFC; They have more breakdowns, and when they do, you have to wait forever for another train, it completely ruins the board.
00:12 DaemonFC; I know. I was in one when the radiator exploded.
00:12 DaemonFC; It sounded like a bomb went off and then the whole train shook and the lights went on and off a few times and then the train coasted to a stop.
00:13 TR News; [Meme] #EU Assurances Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/07/epo-eu-assurances/ #Techrights #EPO #corruption #immunity | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/07/epo-eu-assurances/
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00:13 TR Bot; [Meme] EU Assurances | Techrights
00:13 DaemonFC; Then we were stuck at the Blue Island station for 2 hours with the police directing traffic, and that's when Metra managed to re-route another train onto the opposite track.
00:13 DaemonFC; We were never in any physical danger of derailment or anything.
00:14 DaemonFC; But it was pretty jarring.
00:14 DaemonFC; Humorously, that was the Rock Island District. It was the line that the movie Source Code was filmed on.
00:14 schestowitz-TR; [00:12] I know. I was in one when the radiator exploded.
00:14 schestowitz-TR; how does THAT work?
00:14 schestowitz-TR; it's just like pipe with water
00:14 schestowitz-TR; unless it's the boiler
00:15 DaemonFC; I don't know. It was louder than hell.
00:15 schestowitz-TR; radiators don't explode
00:15 schestowitz-TR; they can spill
00:15 DaemonFC; Just "BOOOM!".
00:15 schestowitz-TR; there's one 30 cm from me
00:15 schestowitz-TR; but I never use it
00:15 schestowitz-TR; unless it's less than -5 outside
00:15 schestowitz-TR; (which is very rare here)
00:15 immibis; schestowitz-TR: steam can be under high pressure
00:16 schestowitz-TR; I have a hot water bottle to my feet now
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00:16 schestowitz-TR; the extremities are the main issue
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00:16 schestowitz-TR; immibis: but explode?
00:17 schestowitz-TR; also, boilers have water and radiators never have steam in them
00:17 schestowitz-TR; nor electricity
00:17 DaemonFC; The conductor told me that the radiator exploded.
00:17 immibis; but you could only choose from two pieces of shit
00:17 immibis; because DNC rigged it like it had done in 2016
00:17 immibis; they never learna
00:17 immibis; this is how free markets work
00:17 schestowitz-TR; haha, true
00:17 immibis; your choice is take it or leave it, your influence is taking the least bad option and leaving the most bad option
00:17 schestowitz-TR; apple vs Microsoft
00:18 immibis; libertarians will tell you this game eventually results in both options becoming good, but that's because they are wrong
00:18 schestowitz-TR; android (gulag) versus i(think you are a pedo)phone
00:18 immibis; those are both pretty ludicrous comparisons
00:18 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, A woman with a BMW who ignored the directions on Steel Seal head gasket leak fixer and just poured it in and drove the car found out that radiators can explode.
00:18 DaemonFC; I think I told MinceR about that.
00:18 immibis; schestowitz-TR: what happens to the water if the cooling system fails?
00:19 DaemonFC; Then she started threatening to sue the company when there were very clear directions that she ignored.
00:19 schestowitz-TR; they're written by lawyers
00:19 schestowitz-TR; long and incomprehensible
00:19 DaemonFC; "Oh I'm not going to pay a mechanic to put a new head gasket on this car for $3,500!"
00:19 schestowitz-TR; so people stop reading manuals
00:19 DaemonFC; "Look what I can do!"
00:20 DaemonFC; Nope, now the car is scrap because you blew the radiator, and the head gasket was already bad.
00:20 DaemonFC; Head gasket repair on a BMW is not a $900 job like it is on a Chevy.
00:20 DaemonFC; And I'm sure a completely new radiator isn't cheap either.
00:21 DaemonFC; If you don't know what you're doing with Steel Seal, take it down to a mechanic who does.
00:21 DaemonFC; Chances are it can last 50,000 miles and it's an old car so that's all you need anyway.
00:21 DaemonFC; And it'll be like maybe $150 all told.
00:23 DaemonFC; On a Chevy or a Ford you don't need to use an OEM radiator.
00:23 DaemonFC; They sell them from China, they're dirt cheap. They work.
00:26 schestowitz-TR; dirt cheap?
00:26 schestowitz-TR; to whom?
00:26 schestowitz-TR; maybe compared to cost of a car
00:26 schestowitz-TR; you can get a hot water bottle for a fiver
00:26 schestowitz-TR; a kettle costs like 20 dollars, a decent one too
00:27 TR News; es http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158862 #GN
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00:27 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
00:28 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158862 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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00:29 MinceR; (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap8Z-DbUqX4
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00:29 TR Bot; Domestic Cats Like Tigers? - YouTube
00:29 TR News; Links 8/12/2021: #FreeBSD 12.3, #EasyOS 3.1.13, and WordPress 5.9 Beta 2 Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/07/easyos-3-1-13/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/07/easyos-3-1-13/
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00:29 TR Bot; Links 8/12/2021: FreeBSD 12.3, EasyOS 3.1.13, and WordPress 5.9 Beta 2 | Techrights
00:32 schestowitz-TR; TIL even Nat Friedman has some sexual secrets
00:32 schestowitz-TR; but those are rumours
00:32 schestowitz-TR; and related to offences
00:32 schestowitz-TR; so stay tuned...
00:33 schestowitz;
00:33 schestowitz;
00:33 schestowitz;
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00:33 TR Bot; ( status 500 @ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ap8Z-DbUqX4 )
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00:33 schestowitz; wrong paste, sorry
00:33 schestowitz; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ap8Z-DbUqX4"
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00:34 schestowitz; "Looks like you've found a bug in Invidious."
00:34 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158863 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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00:34 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
00:35 schestowitz-TR; need to find more stable instance
00:35 schestowitz-TR; which are the recommended ones?
00:39 schestowitz; MinceR: several ads in there
00:41 TR News; #epo #patent #monopolies to people who give #cancer to other people, with buzzwords like "e" https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/bat-and-vossius-successful-in-heat-not-burn-e-cigarette-dispute-in-mannheim/
00:41 TR Bot; BAT and Vossius successful in heat-not-burn e-cigarette dispute in Mannheim - JUVE Patent
00:43 TR News; #Fakenews about something that can never legally become a reality, part of a #lobbying campaign https://www.dyoung.com/en/knowledgebank/faqs-and-guides/guide-unitary-patent-up see http://techrights.org/2021/09/28/upc-song-joke/ #unitarypatentcourt #unitarypatent
=> ↺ https://www.dyoung.com/en/knowledgebank/faqs-and-guides/guide-unitary-patent-up
=> http://techrights.org/2021/09/28/upc-song-joke/
00:43 TR Bot; D Young & Co | Guide to the unitary patent (UP)
00:43 TR Bot; The You Pee, See? (UPC) Tactics: Fake it Till You Make it | Techrights
00:45 TR News; Message lost in #buzzwords https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2021/12/02/terrascan-open-source-security-analyzer/
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00:45 TR Bot; Open source cloud native security analyzer Terrascan embeds security into native DevOps tooling - Help Net Security
00:46 TR News; #surveillance disguised as safety https://www.maketecheasier.com/setup-and-use-find-my-iphone/ #apple #YouAreAPedo
=> ↺ https://www.maketecheasier.com/setup-and-use-find-my-iphone/
00:46 TR Bot; How to Use "Find My" to Protect and Track Your iPhone - Make Tech Easier
00:48 TR News; FreeBSD 12.3 Released With Updated AMD & Networking Hardware, Password Protected ZIPs - Phoronix http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158857#comment-32002
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00:48 TR Bot; FreeBSD 12.3-RELEASE Announcement | The FreeBSD Project | Tux Machines
00:48 DaemonFC; https://www.networkworld.com/article/2287695/k56flex-vs--x2-56kbps-modems.html
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00:48 TR Bot; K56flex vs. x2 56Kbps modems | Network World
00:48 DaemonFC; TIL: A patent troll made 56k modems more expensive for everyone with junk patents, which he was able to hire lawyers to defend, due to the royalties and settlements he made with people who paid up.
00:50 TR News; http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158826#comment-32003Tails 4.25 is out
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00:50 TR Bot; Tails 4.25 Anonymous Linux OS Released with New Backup Tool for Persistent Storage | Tux Machines
00:50 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: parasite economy
00:50 schestowitz-TR; I did not know about the modem angle
00:50 schestowitz-TR; was too young to understand I guess
00:50 DaemonFC; https://web.archive.org/web/20130517200939/http://www.networkworld.com/news/2004/0308widernetmodem.html
00:50 TR Bot; More than just a modem man
00:52 DaemonFC; Submarine patent on 56k.
00:52 DaemonFC; He patented it, then waited for the ITU to standardize one, then popped up and demanded settlements from all involved.
00:54 schestowitz-TR; typical
00:54 schestowitz-TR; like mp*
00:54 schestowitz-TR; and now av*
00:54 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2010/04/23/microsoft-walking-among-patents/
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00:54 TR Bot; Microsoft Software Patents in Codecs, Web Font DRM, and Likewise-HP | Techrights
00:55 schestowitz-TR; and others
00:55 AdmFubar; no wonder a saw only fedex and ups on my street today https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/aws-outage-impacts-ring-netflix-and-amazon-deliveries/
00:55 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/aws-outage-impacts-ring-netflix-and-amazon-deliveries/
00:55 TR Bot; AWS outage impacts Ring, Netflix, and Amazon deliveries
00:55 schestowitz-TR; all those software patents
00:55 schestowitz-TR; AdmFubar: ha
00:55 DaemonFC; He made at least $100 million doing essentially nothing.
00:55 schestowitz-TR; well, some of fedora is down
00:55 schestowitz-TR; because racist ibm outsourced to bezos
00:55 DaemonFC; Just legal threats to companies that made dial up modems.
00:55 schestowitz-TR; yeah
00:55 schestowitz-TR; I exposed another one like that
00:56 schestowitz-TR; and then he sent me death wishes by email
00:56 schestowitz-TR; I learned how to deal with those thugs over time
00:56 schestowitz-TR; the patent trolls are very very rude
00:56 AdmFubar; compromised with windows https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/google-disrupts-botnet-targeting-windows-machines
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00:56 Alternative link; Cloudflare: darkreading.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/google-disrupts-botnet-targeting-windows-machines
00:56 TR Bot; Google Disrupts Botnet Targeting Windows Machines
00:56 schestowitz-TR; they're like "get rich fact" schemers
00:56 schestowitz-TR; *fast
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00:57 TR News; #gulag #microsoft #ProprietarySofwtare https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/google-disrupts-botnet-targeting-windows-machines see http://techrights.org/2021/10/29/microsoft-national-security-threat/
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00:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: darkreading.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/google-disrupts-botnet-targeting-windows-machines
00:57 TR Bot; Microsoft: Still a National Security Threat | Techrights
00:58 schestowitz; apropos, Gulagboy thinks I'm some noob
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00:58 schestowitz; who panics at the sight of some slappy lawyers
00:58 AdmFubar; darkweb criminals have their own legal system? https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/the-dark-web-has-its-own-people-s-courts
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00:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: darkreading.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/the-dark-web-has-its-own-people-s-courts
00:58 TR Bot; The Dark Web Has Its Own People's Court
00:58 schestowitz; AdmFubar: 'dark' web
00:58 schestowitz; tell ibm
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00:58 schestowitz; they will cancel the term
00:58 schestowitz; to hide their DARK past
00:59 TR News; 4 RSS readers every Linux user should try Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158864 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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00:59 TR Bot; 4 RSS readers every Linux user should try | Tux Machines
00:59 TR News; #Tails 4.25 is out http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158826#comment-32003
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01:00 TR Bot; Tails 4.25 Anonymous Linux OS Released with New Backup Tool for Persistent Storage | Tux Machines
01:01 TR News; Theres another (new) push to hold the #EPO accountable, seeing that the overseers clearly do not do their job and instead cover up the abuses Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/07/clare-daly-on-epo/ #Techrights #europe #patents | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/07/clare-daly-on-epo/
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01:01 TR Bot; Clare Daly (GUE/NGL) Does What Every Public Official in Europe Should Have Done About EPO Shenanigans | Techrights
01:02 TR News; The EPOs staff cannot be blamed for losing patience as elected public representatives completely fail to do their job (with few exceptions) Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/07/epo-eu-assurances/ #Techrights #EPO #europe #patent #eu | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/07/epo-eu-assurances/
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01:02 TR Bot; [Meme] EU Assurances | Techrights
01:04 DaemonFC; schestowitz, Mandy's dentist called. COVID was a false alarm.
01:05 DaemonFC; So I scheduled a replacement appointment on Thursday and he's just going to have to call in and cover it with personal time.
01:05 DaemonFC; Oh well. It was either that or let the stupid insurance company keep over $300 in benefits for the calendar year!
01:06 DaemonFC; The benefits are counted after the discount. The discount is the biggest part of the reduction.
01:06 DaemonFC; Before they start paying anything for like, a filling, they negotiate half of the price off with the dentist to be in their network.
01:06 DaemonFC; Then they pay 80% of the remainder.
01:07 DaemonFC; The dentist turns around and hits up cash patients, bad.
01:07 DaemonFC; It's cartel-like behavior.
01:07 DaemonFC; Because then more people see THOSE prices and sign up for the insurance so they can be protected from the dentist charging them the cash price.
01:08 TR News; #Kubernetes 1.23: The Next Frontier Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158865 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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01:08 TR Bot; Kubernetes 1.23: The Next Frontier | Tux Machines
01:09 DaemonFC; The more work the dentist does, the better his breath is getting.
01:09 DaemonFC; This has been a problem that should have been addressed many years ago.
01:10 DaemonFC; I would have probably handled it before COVID, but I was already tapped out and juggling too many things.
01:11 TR News; Release of #XigmaNAS 12.3.0.4 https://xigmanas.com/xnaswp/about/ #freesbsd #bsd #unix
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01:11 TR Bot; XigmaNAS
01:15 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/12/08/walmart-lets-orders-to-po-boxes-go-through-then-sends-them-to-fedex-which-cant-put-anything-in-a-po-box/
01:15 TR Bot; Walmart lets orders to PO Boxes go through, then sends them to FedEx, which cant put anything in a PO Box. BaronHK's Rants
01:18 MinceR; https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/vicarious
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01:18 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Vicarious
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01:40 AdmFubar; https://ffii.org/unified-patent-court-is-100x-more-expensive-and-an-sme-killer-europe-is-commiting-an-economic-suicide/
01:40 TR Bot; Unified Patent Court is 100X more expensive and an SME killer, Europe is commiting an economic suicide | FFII
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01:46 schestowitz-TR; AdmFubar: true
01:46 schestowitz-TR; good news
01:46 schestowitz-TR; my complaint has been a success
01:46 schestowitz-TR; to NHS
01:46 schestowitz-TR; and it had so much impact that they change providers and protocols
01:55 DaemonFC; "When gambling addiction lures people into unpayable debt, some of them commit suicide. There are around 400 such suicides a year in the UK.
01:55 DaemonFC; I was unable to find any comparable info about the US."
01:56 DaemonFC; Yes, but in the US most of the casinos and horse betting tracks are in Democrat-majority areas.
01:56 DaemonFC; They're trying to put one in Chicago, and one in Waukegan.
01:56 DaemonFC; That's despite the fact that they have not been the source of jobs or revenue they promised would fix the city finances in Joliet or Aurora.
01:57 DaemonFC; If you want to go lose a fortune, there's still Vegas. And the weather is pretty nice right now.
01:58 DaemonFC; Hard to imagine who would come to Chicago and risk the carjackings and shootings, to gamble in the middle of winter.
01:58 immibis; "Since I can't get any work done, I decided to relax and order in some pizza. Then I tried ordering online from the Jet's Pizza site. 500 errors. lol. looked at network request headers. Its AWS....."
01:58 immibis; DaemonFC: it sounds like you're trying and failing to make a political point. just say it
01:59 DaemonFC; The resistance to gambling has usually been in conservative states. Every time it goes before the voters, it's a losing issue until the crooks in the legislature pass it anyway.
01:59 DaemonFC; That's why Indiana didn't have a lottery until like 1990.
02:00 DaemonFC; They tried selling the state lottery as "This will fund education and fix all of our K-12 budget problems!", then it didn't.
02:01 DaemonFC; And now Stallman is promoting CNN.
02:01 DaemonFC; :)
02:01 DaemonFC; Gates and Bezos. OOOOhhhhh, don't stop.
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02:05 DaemonFC; Like most things the government promises, lotteries and casinos are a lie.
02:05 schestowitz-TR; RMS links to CNN a lot
02:05 schestowitz-TR; onion, omidyar, gates' guardian, cnn...
02:05 schestowitz-TR; common dreams is good
02:05 schestowitz-TR; some of the rest are not
02:05 DaemonFC; It's a way to cut tax on the rich, and fund the state on the backs of people who buy a 1 in 800 million chance to become rich, with the state taking 60 cents on every dollar, and then taxing the payouts too.
02:06 schestowitz-TR; reuters is also oligarchs' owned
02:06 schestowitz-TR; but it's usually ok
02:06 schestowitz-TR; washpo and newsweek oligarchs-owned
02:06 schestowitz-TR; bloomberg and murdoch have their own
02:06 schestowitz-TR; I avoid all those... when I cna
02:06 schestowitz-TR; can
02:07 DaemonFC; "New York City sets Covid vaccine mandate for all private employers." -Stallman
02:07 DaemonFC; Federal judge strikes down last Biden vaccine mandate. (for federal workers)
02:07 schestowitz-TR; he must be happy
02:07 schestowitz-TR; guardian told him this is freedo
02:07 schestowitz-TR; and that not having mandate is bad for other people's freedom
02:07 DaemonFC; RMS gives Free Software awards to a bunch of deranged psychopaths who sabotage Free Software.
02:08 DaemonFC; So it stands to reason that he wouldn't know freedom if it bit him in the ass.
02:08 schestowitz-TR; and who do not understand freedom of speech
02:08 schestowitz-TR; they cancel him based on lies
02:08 schestowitz-TR; and Torvalds too
02:08 schestowitz-TR; and trashing postboxes with threats
02:08 schestowitz-TR; true story
02:08 DaemonFC; He's not going to get us there by giving Free Software Awards to a guy who implements Microsoft boot standards and plays with his Roomba.
02:09 schestowitz-TR; maybe torvalds wrote that forced' apology' afeter someone had threatened to SUE
02:09 DaemonFC; He derails the entire conversation about software freedom like this.
02:09 schestowitz-TR; yeah
02:09 schestowitz-TR; and bashes libeboot
02:09 schestowitz-TR; leah know
02:09 schestowitz-TR; libreboot bad
02:09 schestowitz-TR; microsoft asked to sigh your distro... GOOD
02:10 schestowitz-TR; GNU libreboot BAD
02:10 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft... GOOD
02:10 DaemonFC; I just turn "Secure Boot" off.
02:10 DaemonFC; It doesn't do anything except get in my way.
02:10 DaemonFC; It's not important.
02:10 schestowitz-TR; lenovo askes you to
02:10 schestowitz-TR; but they signed some secret OEM deal with MSFT
02:10 schestowitz-TR; do this to get discount
02:10 schestowitz-TR; else, pay a fine
02:10 leah; i have been summoned
02:10 schestowitz-TR; blackmail byn Micriosdoft
02:10 leah; why have i been summoned
02:11 schestowitz-TR; leah: fake freedom
02:11 schestowitz-TR; and fake awards
02:11 schestowitz-TR; from FSF
02:11 schestowitz-TR; to peoplem who attack RMS
02:11 leah; carry on. i will go grab coffee and read this conversation in a short while
02:11 *leah is an omnipetent ghost
02:11 schestowitz-TR; and the spirit of the mission of the FSF
02:12 DaemonFC; https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/06/china-attacks-us-style-democracy-prior-to-biden-summit
02:12 TR Bot; China attacks US-style democracy prior to Biden summit | China | The Guardian
02:12 DaemonFC; A "whole-process" democracy, complete with Great Firewall and Secret Police.
02:12 DaemonFC; Very democratic. Criticize any of the Chinese politicians, nobody ever sees you again.
02:12 DaemonFC; Terrific democracy!
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02:13 DaemonFC; The great thing about Western Democracies is most of us know the government is shit and the only thing you can do about it is try to limit the total harm to yourself with strategic voting.
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02:13 DaemonFC; In China, they don't even get that much.
02:14 DaemonFC; Again, democracy! "Socialist" democracy!
02:14 DaemonFC; The government is a gigantic negative value proposition.
02:15 DaemonFC; It saps the public dry with taxes and kills jobs with regulations designed to extort bigger bribes.
02:15 DaemonFC; Stallman is a fool if he can't see this much.
02:15 DaemonFC; It's like, you know, all of Illinois has been sucked dry by Chicago taxes and ruined by Chicago laws.
02:17 DaemonFC; There's even videos about how awful Illinois is on Youtube, and all of the most awful things are that way either because of Chicago or because most of the politicians are from Chicago and no other region gets what it needs from the state government.
02:18 DaemonFC; It's easier to leave than to do anything about it. So people leave. Sometimes they just abandon their house without even trying to sell it and let the government confiscate it for back taxes.
02:18 DaemonFC; They just want out of here that much.
02:18 leah; so
02:18 leah; schestowitz-TR: DaemonFC can you please summarize the discussion thus far. clue me in
02:18 DaemonFC; Oh, the FSF and Stallman being a bunch of fucking idiots.
02:18 leah; just so i can get my bearings. from when i was pinged and before then. what's the theme
02:18 leah; please elaborate
02:19 DaemonFC; Stallman seems to be a very ineffective person.
02:19 DaemonFC; They probably agreed to bring him back because he's a pushover.
02:20 DaemonFC; He allows, like, this infestation of people who don't even use or promote Free Software, like Mr. Goolag.
02:20 DaemonFC; They just get to camp out and get awards for taking us 10 giant steps backwards.
02:21 DaemonFC; The FSF can't even get a small text editor project to snap into line.
02:21 leah; context please
02:21 DaemonFC; GNU Nano is only part of GNU because they won concessions.
02:21 DaemonFC; It was the same list of concessions that Lucid was demanding with Emacs.
02:22 DaemonFC; The whole of GNU is falling apart and turning into "open source".
02:22 DaemonFC; Some of it has been that way for years in exchange for lots of corporate cash and development work.
02:22 DaemonFC; But we're talking core components at this point.
02:24 DaemonFC; https://www.christopherprice.net/gplv4-starting-the-conversation-2580.html
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02:24 TR Bot; GPLv4 Starting the Conversation | Christopher Price
02:24 DaemonFC; Who is this fucking idiot anyway?
02:25 DaemonFC; Literally the first thing on his wish list would protect Donald Trump from his social media platform's GPL violation.
02:26 leah; ok, i'm fully caught up
02:28 leah; schestowitz-TR: GNU Libreboot didn't really makes sense on a technical level. In retrospect, going the FSDG route back then might have been a better approach. But yes, I can infer from context what you were talking about, and I agree with what you said: fuck mjg59.
02:29 leah; he bashed libreboot from day one, and legitimized secureboot within x86 space
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02:29 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 7.16 k/sec., IPFS upstream 117.03 average k/sec., average swarm size 254.70
02:30 leah; However, lately I've been looking at things in a very different light. I'm not any sides at the moment. I'm building my own side, instead.
02:30 leah; have you seen the conversations i've been starting lately, about federation
02:30 schestowitz-TR; leah: he threatens me with lawyers now
02:31 schestowitz-TR; such a freedom-loving man ;-)
02:31 leah; why does he threaten you?
02:31 schestowitz-TR; ANOTHER FSF award
02:31 schestowitz-TR; leah: freedom of speech
02:31 leah; another fsf award?
02:31 schestowitz-TR; he struggles to find a job
02:31 schestowitz-TR; because people can see what he is
02:32 leah; a careerist pig who has no values whatsoever and simply wants to insert his penis into everything?
02:33 schestowitz-TR; he said here in irc
02:33 schestowitz-TR; that if we don'y go to foss events for sec
02:33 schestowitz-TR; then we are "missing out"
02:33 AdmFubar; https://torrentfreak.com/dns-resolver-quad9-loses-first-pirate-site-blocking-appeal-in-germany-211206/
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02:33 leah; i became disillusioned with the fsf in the last few years, precisely because of people like him being in it. and the overall direction and focus of the fsf being lacklustre at best. i saw that they were holding the movement back
02:33 schestowitz-TR; and later he goes around accusing rms and torvalds of being hostile to women
02:33 schestowitz-TR; btw, he stalks us in irc
02:33 schestowitz-TR; does not seem like healthy behaviour
02:34 leah; however, this year, i saw a great opportunity to rekindle things and realign the movement back into a people-powered one
02:34 schestowitz-TR; 24/7 stalking
02:34 leah; i want corporations to have less control, and for all the freedom movements to unify in a grand federation
02:34 schestowitz-TR; yes
02:34 schestowitz-TR; I agree
02:34 leah; free software, oshw/right to repair (riscv plays a key part), free art/culture, all kinds of stuff
02:35 leah; right now, the problem i see is one of infrastructure
02:35 leah; stuff like github for instance. ariadne recently told me about a project called ForgeFed, which is a fork of ActivityPub for implementing federated git code forges
02:35 leah; apparently, gitea and gitlab are implementing support
02:36 leah; right now, the problem we face is that huge corporations have co-opted the freedom movements everywhere, and basically "whitewashed" it, for want of a better word
02:36 leah; kind of like in the movie "They Live" where everything is skewed towards money
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02:37 leah; i want to start a project teaching people how to host their own services. including how to get round isp restrictions by tunneling via l2tp/vpn and so on
02:37 leah; also promote stuff like tor
02:37 leah; federated freedom foundation, so to speak
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02:38 leah; a living, breathing organisation, not necessarily incorporated in law, but woven into our social structure
02:38 leah; a newly unstoppable federation of freedom
02:38 leah; one that nitwits like mjg59 can't fuck with
02:38 schestowitz-TR; federation is good
02:38 schestowitz-TR; you should see this:
02:38 leah; a complete evolution of the fsf and others like it
02:38 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/wiki/Free_Software_Federation
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02:39 leah; building on their strengths but not just thinking outside the box: colonising the entire universe instead
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02:39 leah; a giant fediverse
02:39 leah; the early phase of this idea is to first get the existing, entrenched organisations talking
02:39 schestowitz; right now we have GAFAMverse
02:39 schestowitz; where few Pentagon contractors control most things
02:39 leah; what i'm working on is a charter to define this new movement
02:39 leah; a federal freedom charter
02:39 schestowitz; inc. the web traffic
02:40 schestowitz; netflix, clownflare...
02:40 leah; as soon as it's ready, i'm publishing the first draft
02:40 schestowitz; we need to topple this bad order
02:40 leah; and will get as many people as possible to review it
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02:40 leah; people from all different kinds of communities
02:40 leah; agree upon a charter, a mission statement. a federal mission statement
02:40 leah; anyway, regarding FSF: earlier this year, i saw a great opportunity to reshape it back into its people-powered, adhoc routes. free of corporate influence
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02:40 leah; however
02:41 leah; what has happened since then is far worse:
02:41 leah; the fsf appears to be collapsing
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02:41 leah; it has completely lost steam
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02:41 leah; i'm expecting it to continue to exist, but in a weakened state
02:41 leah; when i tried to become ED, i had these kinds of ideas in mind. though my thinking back then was less developed than it is now
02:42 leah; i completely misjudged everything entirely, this year. and now i'm working on something better. on my terms
02:42 leah; so i'm not picking any sides right now. like i said, i'm building my own
02:42 leah; i have no faith in the fsf
02:42 leah; rms appears to be allowing it to just fall apart. probably bathing in former glory, remembering the good old days
02:43 schestowitz-TR; no
02:43 schestowitz-TR; rms does ok
02:43 schestowitz-TR; he's in a tough position
02:43 schestowitz-TR; because he's stalked and hounded
02:43 leah; and i find this very sad. a lot of us have reached our hand out to him, and his fsf
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02:43 schestowitz-TR; the cancel mob looks to have another go/round
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02:43 leah; i've cut ties, you know
02:43 schestowitz-TR; I know
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02:43 leah; but i'm not opposing him
02:43 schestowitz-TR; but that does not mean you oppose them
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02:43 schestowitz-TR; yeah
02:43 schestowitz-TR; haha, beat me to it
02:43 leah; he is not my enemy. but he is no longer my hero
02:43 schestowitz-TR; we said the same thing
02:44 leah; i've told him, directly:
02:44 leah; i will replace you
02:44 leah; :P
02:44 schestowitz-TR; not a wise thing to say
02:44 schestowitz-TR; but whatever..
02:44 schestowitz-TR; we can make many clones
02:44 leah; i want him on board
02:44 schestowitz-TR; of sorts
02:44 schestowitz-TR; that would make many thinkers like him
02:44 leah; what i have in mind is far advanced compared to the status quo we've known
02:44 schestowitz-TR; who have more capcity
02:45 leah; we need to smash that status quo in its entirety, and build the federation
02:45 leah; the problem is a very human one:
02:45 leah; organisations like the fsf were innovative for their time, but have lost their way in a world that has far outgrown them. but these organisations try to cling on and continue to run things,
02:45 leah; and
02:46 leah; they are single points of failure for people like mjg59 and his ilk to conquer
02:46 leah; we're stuck in the past
02:46 leah; and i want to build the next 30 years
02:47 leah; what i'm thinking of is not even a new idea, and much of the necessary infrastructure and people already exist
02:47 leah; but we need to get organized
02:47 schestowitz-TR; yup
02:47 leah; the people that will lead this new movement (not me. i only want to help get it going) exist, and are active
02:47 leah; but they are sequestered
02:47 leah; distracted
02:47 schestowitz-TR; we are stronger in numbers
02:47 leah; we are high in number, but divided
02:47 schestowitz-TR; also, we have more people sympathetic to our cause
02:47 schestowitz-TR; if they know about it
02:47 schestowitz-TR; mindless consumers can be swayed
02:48 leah; and what i plan is a unified coup against the current corruption we've known
02:48 schestowitz-TR; the oligarchs are very few
02:48 leah; reshape everything to what people want
02:48 leah; and that is: freedom
02:48 schestowitz-TR; and they control maybe one million geeks with salaries
02:48 leah; what people want is freedom
02:48 schestowitz-TR; but that leaves billions minus one million
02:48 schestowitz-TR; their 'tech merecenaries'
02:48 leah; lots of people though believe it is impossible, precisely because of this disunity. we need only a few people to create a spark, and get the ball rolling
02:48 leah; "build it, and they will come"
02:48 schestowitz-TR; gemini is like this
02:49 leah; i've chosen to reveal myself here because i didn't intend to keep it a secret. i've completely charged course, over the last few months, and especially the last few weeks
02:49 leah; i'm thinking bigger
02:50 leah; the discussion earlier about RMS is not the one we need to be having. we need to be thinking about the post-fsf world that is already taking shape now. the fsf is dying, and in my opinion, does not want to be saved
02:50 leah; as evidenced by the fact that many of us, including myself, are being turned away or not even approached by them
02:51 leah; the events of early 2021 were a death knell either way: either they would have canned rms and the fsf would have been "fine" but overrun by corporate influences, as was already extremely evident
02:51 leah; or
02:51 leah; it would just die
02:52 leah; but earlier this year, i didn't see the latter scenario. i thought we were helping to save it. but no matter how that situation would have gone, it was doomed
02:52 leah; case in point...
02:52 leah; 12-4 = 8
02:52 leah; ok yes
02:52 leah; just over 8 months
02:52 leah; 8 months have passed. no new staff. most staff left. and they still haven't found a new ED
02:53 leah; stuff isn't getting done
02:53 leah; it's precisely because of those events, that i now wish to build the new federation, which i've alluded to today
02:53 leah; a federation is less likely to be corrupted, or overthrown. because a federation is inherently democratic
02:54 leah; democratic is the key word here
02:54 leah; what we've had so far is basically benevolent dictatorship. only now it's benign
02:54 leah; we need to move on
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02:55 DaemonFC; i became disillusioned with the fsf in the last few years, precisely because of people like him being in it. and the overall direction and focus of the fsf being lacklustre at best. i saw that they were holding the movement back
02:55 leah; schestowitz-TR: and you know what? something tells me that people like mjg59 wanted rms to remain at the fsf this year
02:55 DaemonFC; There is no direction of the FSF anymore.
02:55 DaemonFC; They're turning into another Linux Foundation.
02:55 leah; schestowitz-TR: the current state of things was predicted by the people in his side
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02:56 leah; schestowitz-TR: molly db and her ilk all knew that rms's position at the fsf was secure
02:56 leah; we were manipulated
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02:56 leah; they are probably very happy with the current state of things
02:57 leah; it was all subterfuge. i realized this, and have walked away
02:58 AdmFubar; https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/08/nasa_asteroid_algorithm/
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02:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/08/nasa_asteroid_algorithm/
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02:58 TR Bot; NASA has a new algorithm to track near-Earth asteroids The Register
02:58 leah; divide and conquer. so i decided:
02:58 leah; why not seek to unify instead?
02:58 DaemonFC; Debian followed the FSF's strange tear about device firmware for some reason.
02:59 AdmFubar; https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/07/facebook_genocide_rohingya/
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02:59 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/07/facebook_genocide_rohingya/
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02:59 TR Bot; Meta sued for $150B by Rohingya refugees escaping Myanmar The Register
02:59 DaemonFC; x86 PCs are basically unusable without it, so it brings about this very Windows XP-like Press F8 to load a driver thing.
03:01 XRevan86; DaemonFC: Next thing ye will ask why Libreboot strips off processor microcode bundling.
03:01 leah; "i know"
03:01 XRevan86; It's an iffy subject.
03:01 leah; schestowitz-TR: how did you know? perhaps you read my blog
03:01 leah; i've been meaning to touch base with you
03:02 DaemonFC; There's pretty much no control over x86 and Libreboot seems to be restricted to the Core 2 era or something.
03:02 schestowitz-TR; leah: yes, I read the blog
03:02 schestowitz-TR; rss
03:03 leah; schestowitz-TR: just so we're clear, i deleted my rms article
03:03 schestowitz-TR; it had its days and impact
03:03 leah; but i have no intentions of fighting or opposing rms. i do still think he's an amazing person, and i thank him for starting our movement
03:04 leah; i've merely outgrown him and seen through all the nonsense. i'm going off on my own and starting my own thing
03:04 leah; i've told him he can be involved, if he wants
03:04 leah; i don't need him. but if he wants to help build the new movement, his will be a powerful voice that can be used for good
03:04 leah; instead of the totally benign state of affairs we've seen in recent months
03:05 AdmFubar; https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/07/apple-china-deal-tim-cook
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03:05 leah; i actually still fully agree with the mission of the free software movement. and it's precisely because of that that i have to walk away from the fsf. i think their goose is cooked, more or less
03:05 TR Bot; Tim Cook reportedly signed five-year $275bn deal with Chinese officials | Apple | The Guardian
03:06 leah; we need something better. truly better, not the crap that gafam and their puppets at gnome foundation / osi tried to shove down our throats
03:07 leah; giant corporations didn't give us free software
03:07 leah; people did
03:07 leah; giant corperations didn't have us the right to repair movement
03:07 leah; louis rossman and several others did
03:08 leah; giant corporations didn't have us free art/culture movement
03:08 leah; creative commons did
03:08 leah; i could go on
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03:15 schestowitz-TR; CC is compromised
03:15 schestowitz-TR; the org
03:15 schestowitz-TR; not the movement or the concept
03:18 leah; which is why we need the federation
03:18 leah; the federation already exists. but it's not big enough
03:19 leah; we can focus on educating people how to set up their own projects and infrastructure, free of such influences
03:19 schestowitz-TR; social control media is junk
03:19 schestowitz-TR; we need to dfederate blog
03:19 schestowitz-TR; there's this thing called rss feeds ;-)
03:19 schestowitz-TR; which is working rather well for federation;-)
03:20 leah; we need more federation
03:21 leah; and we need better ideological leadership in the freedom movement
03:21 leah; i simply call it the freedom movement now, in my head. free software is a part of it. a critical part, but not the only part
03:21 schestowitz-TR; right.
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03:31 leah; anyway
03:31 leah; i hope i made a positive contribution to earlier's discussion
03:32 schestowitz-TR; lots of ground covered
03:32 leah; this was all in my head, driving me mad. i've decided to just own it
03:32 leah; there is a lot of great potential for our movements, currently being squandered. we can do much better
03:32 leah; and we will
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03:33 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
03:33 leah; and people like mjg59 are scared shitless about people like me. i'm not alone either. i've been testing the waters, expressing these ideas in a few places. people love my idea
03:33 leah; the people that just want power currently have it, and are afraid to lose it
03:33 leah; and they will
03:34 leah; right now they mock us
03:34 schestowitz-TR; freedom is always under attacked
03:34 schestowitz-TR; the question is, from who
03:34 schestowitz-TR; people who play with "Smart" things are not my friends
03:34 schestowitz-TR; they are more like informants
03:35 leah; mjg59 is actually fairly benign. the only reason he has power is because the fsf temporarily gave it to him. and then there's google or whoever he works for now
03:35 leah; he is not an individual, as such. he is a vessel, owned by someone else. he is a symbol of what happens when you sell out
03:35 schestowitz-TR; yes
03:36 leah; i wonder if such people will try to cancel me in the future
03:36 leah; i can see how they'd do it. but i'm not as vulnerable as their previous targets
03:37 leah; watch the movie They Live and then re-read this chat log
03:37 leah; lol
03:38 leah; the center cannot hold
03:38 schestowitz-TR; being cancel isn't a 'thing'
03:38 schestowitz-TR; accepting it "is"
03:38 schestowitz-TR; RMS did not accept it
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03:39 leah; what do you mean by that?
03:39 schestowitz; "People said I should accept the world. Bullshit! I don't accept the world."
03:39 schestowitz; RMS said he was canceled
03:39 schestowitz; but he came back
03:39 schestowitz; sort of
03:39 schestowitz; it was a phony scandal
03:39 leah; he never left
03:41 leah; there is another aspect to this, though, that i don't think you're seeing
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03:41 leah; do you think rms is ultimately a force for good, in the year 2021?
03:41 leah; (in practise, in terms of everyday action)
03:42 schestowitz-TR; he'll be ok
03:43 schestowitz-TR; he has health issues
03:43 schestowitz-TR; but he has been saying it for 2 decades
03:43 leah; there are two aspects: intentions, and actions
03:43 leah; rms has pure intentions
03:43 schestowitz-TR; 4am , gn, must rush to sleep
03:44 leah; yes, very well
03:44 schestowitz-TR; thanks for the chat
03:44 schestowitz-TR; not escaping
03:44 schestowitz-TR; just suprt-tired
03:44 schestowitz-TR; and got many articles to finalise
03:44 schestowitz-TR; exclusives
03:44 leah; your work is important, so i won't keep you. get some sleep
03:45 schestowitz-TR; gn
03:46 leah; tl;dr rms is fine, but we need to think to the future. the old guard have lost control, and corporations are exploiting that power vacuum. we need to blow the state and build the freedom federation instead
03:46 leah; we have better ideas, and more people
03:49 leah; i figure i'm only 30 years old. so i'll do my part, and keep going. i can't rely on the old guard
03:49 leah; we need to think for ourselves and rethink everything. or we will lose. the old status quo is completely dead. it already occured. i've merely realized that, in recent months
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03:50 leah; we need to take initiatives. don't leave it up to the leader. the leaders are all dead, dying or corrupt. we will replace them
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04:21 DaemonFC; mjg59 is actually fairly benign. the only reason he has power is because the fsf temporarily gave it to him. and then there's google or whoever he works for now
04:21 DaemonFC; Not even Goolag wanted him.
04:25 DaemonFC; The whole Damore thing showed that Google rules with a Culture of Fear.
04:25 DaemonFC; And they have a lot of people like the SJW trolls who feel like it's their job to punish people for having an opinion that isn't like theirs.
04:26 DaemonFC; So imagine how bad the conduct was for someone on Team SJW to be shown the door.
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04:39 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBjNpZ5t9S4
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04:39 TR Bot; Sheep (8/10) Movie CLIP - Jack MeHoff (1996) HD - YouTube
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05:06 AdmFubar; https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/07/kellogg-strike-workers-pay
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05:06 TR Bot; Kellogg to replace 1,400 strikers as deal is rejected | US unions | The Guardian
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05:24 DaemonFC; I saw that.
05:24 DaemonFC; I don't know what other brands they make. I don't buy brands, usually.
05:25 kingoffrance; giant corporations didn't give us free software / people did that is an understatement. a corporation is a charter/idea/spirit without a body. not trying to be spooky, but incorporate: to give a body to. put another way: corporations need people to "represent them", else they are "dead" (or shall we say "not incarnated"). it is much more fundamental: corporations need people to exist. not the other way around
05:25 kingoffrance; once you have 2 people (or marriage, or....) then you have "one body" too, so they are perhaps unavoidable
05:26 kingoffrance; corporations are just hypothetical people that live forever (or until charter expires) -- but they need people "representing" them to do anything
05:26 kingoffrance; artificial persons, whatever
05:26 kingoffrance; they have no body of their own
05:27 AdmFubar; about haveway down their page is a list of their brand product... but I'm sure they co-pack and private label for others
05:27 kingoffrance; *once you have a group of people acting jointly
05:29 kingoffrance; they are an abstract group of people, joined, pretend its one giant person :)
05:30 kingoffrance; they are literally imitation people
05:31 kingoffrance; maybe my point is, even if corporations did give people free software , that was still just people :D
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05:32 kingoffrance; they cant exist without people :D
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06:00 leah; what the fuck is goolag
06:00 leah; and what's the damore thing
06:01 leah; schestowitz-TR: Demonfc mentioned it. do you know?
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06:17 leah; also
06:18 leah; it's interesting that my cursed rss generator actually works. you mentioned earlier about rss on my blog. i don't actually use rss myself, but i inherited that feature from what my static site generator is a fork of
06:19 leah; i refactored a lot of that code
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08:16 kingoffrance; i think goolag is just his way of referring to google gulag
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09:02 TR News; #Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158868 #Linux #TuxMachines
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09:02 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
09:02 TR News; #Ubuntu Vs. #AmazonLinux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158867 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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09:02 TR Bot; Ubuntu Vs. Amazon Linux | Tux Machines
09:02 TR News; Upcoming #CutefishOS Could Topple #Deepin as the Most Beautiful Linux Distro Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158866 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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09:02 TR Bot; Upcoming CutefishOS Could Topple Deepin as the Most Beautiful Linux Distro | Tux Machines
09:03 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Tuesday, December 07, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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09:03 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
09:03 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
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09:03 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
09:05 TR News; "It is not a foundation to advance Linux it is a foundation to advance its members' interests within Linux. That is the inverse of what people generally expect." http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-071221.html#tDec%2007%2016:02:11
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09:05 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, December 07, 2021
09:06 TR News; #IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/irc-log-071221/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/irc-log-071221/
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09:06 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 | Techrights
09:06 TR News; Looking at the #linuxfoundation report in #irc at #techrights http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-071221.html#tDec%2007%2000:36:32
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09:06 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, December 07, 2021
09:06 TR News; Following My Complaint, Protocols and Providers in the #NHS Are Changed http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/12/08/yorkshire-health-solutions-changes/ #uk #england #health
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09:06 TR Bot; Blog Archive Following My Complaint, Protocols and Providers in the NHS Are Changed
09:09 schestowitz; [03:50] we need to take initiatives. don't leave it up to the leader. the leaders are all dead, dying or corrupt. we will replace them
09:09 schestowitz; I would not phrase it like that
09:09 schestowitz; but generally, yes... the young always replace the old. I'm still 39.
09:09 schestowitz; [06:00] and what's the damore thing
09:09 schestowitz; Did you not hear?
09:09 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google%27s_Ideological_Echo_Chamber
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09:09 TR Bot; Google's Ideological Echo Chamber - Wikipedia
09:15 TR News; "Now, the reason I interested in gemini is that I'd like to understand and simplify my computing world as well as disentangle myself from the sticky surveillance web." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007658.html
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09:15 TR Bot; [Off Topic] WiFi HaLow, Mesh, and Low Powered Devices
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09:26 TR News; NEWS #TechRepublic 4 RSS readers every Linux user should try https://www.techrepublic.com/article/rss-readers-linux-users/
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09:26 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techrepublic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techrepublic.com/article/rss-readers-linux-users/
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09:26 TR Bot; RSS readers every Linux user should try - TechRepublic
09:27 TR News; NEWS #TheVerge #5G now means some flights wont be able to land when pilots cant see the runway https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/7/22822875/5g-faa-rule-c-band-landing-airport-bad-weather-visibility
09:27 TR Bot; 5G now means some flights wont be able to land when pilots cant see the runway - The Verge
09:32 leah; i hear nothing. i see nothing. i simply feel the world around me
09:33 leah; and occasionally people feed me data on irc
09:33 leah; thanks, i'll read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google%27s_Ideological_Echo_Chamber now
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09:33 leah; my life is too worth living to care about other people's problems. unless they affect me, or i see other people's bullshit as world ending
09:34 leah; similarly, that wikipedia article is a solid tl;dr
09:35 leah; is it basically just some guy getting fired for being a dick to women?
09:35 leah; (i skimmed it)
09:36 leah; "free speech" yeah. i just read more of it. bullshit. you get employed at a company, you keep your head down and you do your job
09:36 leah; imo
09:37 leah; not worth anyone's time. but you know how the media is, how sensationalist it is, how it feeds on people's empathy and turns it against them
09:39 leah; coming from an oppressed group of people myself, i kinda look at any criticism of diversity requirements in the workplace to be a solid nope
09:39 leah; especially in tech
09:40 leah; but people will draw their own conclusions. i don't care. if you're an asshole at work, you get fired. end of story
09:40 leah; being kind to others and not questioning their right to exist is usually a better approach
09:41 TR News; Got police records, added to http://techrights.org/2021/12/06/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant/ #github #copilot ... led by criminals. #microsoft #deletegithub
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09:41 TR Bot; Microsoft GitHub Expos Part IX Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot Sought to be Arrested One Day After Techrights Article About Him | Techrights
09:42 leah; if you're from a privileged group, you don't get to bitch about your "freedom of speech" when it relates to a policy designed to empower the very under-privileged group that you are not a part of and have no incentive to feel empathy for
09:42 leah; i have now read the entire article
09:43 leah; your thoughts?
09:44 leah; from what i can tell, that dude deserved to be canned. and i hope he'll be more sensitive to others, in the future
09:45 leah; "The memo and Google's subsequent dismissal of Damore in August 2017 became a subject of interest for the media. "
09:45 leah; what media? which media companies
09:45 leah; i can guess which ones :P
09:50 Ariadne; fox news, newsmax, etc
09:51 Ariadne; freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences
09:51 leah; this
09:51 Ariadne; if you write a manifesto to a diversity executive describing women as being biologically unfit to work in the tech industry, welp
09:51 Ariadne; play stupid games, win stupid prizes
09:52 leah; if i chew you up and spit you out for calling me a fag in #libreboot, your right to free speech is still intact. it's just that you've now earned my wrath
09:52 activelow; i do not remember such an argument was ever made
09:52 Ariadne; that was the primary thesis of the james damore manifesto
09:53 activelow; i did read it, and do not remember he argued "unfit to work in tech"...
09:53 activelow; Ariadne: citation?
09:53 TR News; [Teaser] Meet Microsofts Chief Architect of #GitHub Copilot, Balabhadra (Alex) Graveley Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/
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09:53 TR Bot; [Teaser] Meet Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot, Balabhadra (Alex) Graveley | Techrights
09:57 Ariadne; activelow: he cites simon cohen-baron, author of a totally debunked set of theories on this topic
09:57 leah; i have a really easy solution for everyone
09:57 leah; just be nice to others. and see other human beings as sentient lifeforms that want to help you and make the world a better place, just like you
09:58 leah; stop arbitrarily separating people on meaningless criteria. equality guidelines in the workplace are a good thing
09:58 leah; writing a paper that argues against such things takes effort
09:58 leah; whereas being nice takes zero effort, and you might even make a friend
09:58 leah; think about it
10:00 leah; and those guidelines are usually woefully inadequate btw, in most workplaces
10:00 leah; as in, they will completely miss out on many different demographics
10:01 leah; for instance talking about making the workforce 50/50 men/women, but they'll make no mention of non-binary people, and continue to not hire non-binary people because they dressed funny at the interview
10:02 Ariadne; tbh, employers requiring college education instead of actual demonstration of skills (like a portfolio of work) for tech jobs is the primary reason tech is a sausage fest
10:02 schestowitz-TR; very true!
10:02 leah; what is true schestowitz-TR, what i said or what Ariadne said?
10:02 leah; (i also agree with what ariadne just said)
10:02 schestowitz-TR; about formal ed versus skills/experience
10:03 schestowitz-TR; it's encouraging diploma mills
10:03 schestowitz-TR; same for :certs"
10:03 Ariadne; it is intentional gatekeeping that is biased towards privileged men
10:03 leah; my resume sucks
10:03 schestowitz-TR; which sometimes just mean amecica-style questions
10:03 leah; i actually wrote a cv as a joke once
10:03 schestowitz-TR; and some weeks of memorising stuff
10:03 leah; i'm unemployable
10:03 schestowitz-TR; *American-style
10:03 Ariadne; it's funny, i get companies emailing me to come work for them to help them manage their deployments of things I wrote
10:03 leah; and yet i run circles around many of my peers
10:03 leah; i've done things they don't even teach in university
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10:04 Ariadne; and then they are like you have to have XYZ degree with XYZ GPA and blah blah
10:04 leah; i could teach a class
10:04 schestowitz; leah: read http://techrights.org/2021/11/29/teaching-cybersecurity/
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10:04 TR Bot; Dr. Andy Farnell on Teaching Cybersecurity in an Age of Fake Security | Techrights
10:04 Ariadne; like, you're reaching out to me, to do work for you, on things i've written that you use, but i have to prove my domain expertise? really?
10:05 leah; and then some jackass writes a book about something completely inferior, and gets emmy buzz
10:05 activelow; technology and science are in very bad shape
10:05 activelow; unsustainable, clusterfucked beyond repair
10:06 leah; Ariadne: and what you do is highly innovative and actually making a big difference in the world
10:06 leah; alpine is amazing
10:06 schestowitz; > Please redact the address and name of the victim for her safety. That is
10:06 schestowitz; > her home address, not his.
10:06 schestowitz; oops
10:06 schestowitz; I forgot
10:06 leah; ?
10:06 schestowitz-TR; http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/
=> http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/
10:06 TR Bot; [Teaser] Meet Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot, Balabhadra (Alex) Graveley | Techrights
10:06 leah; anyway
10:07 leah; people get worked up about the completely wrong things
10:07 leah; schestowitz-TR: most "security" people are bullshit
10:07 leah; i guess what you refer to as "fake security"
10:09 leah; a certain person previously mentioned here rants about how libreboot on gm45 thinkpads lack a tpm, and regularly tweets about secureboot nonsense (which only signs the bootloader, and in a completely asinine way)
10:10 leah; meanwhile, i'm telling people AHCI/SATA devices are potentially insecure due to the theoretically possibility of DMA attacks, telling them how to set up fully encrypted systems on USB flash drives, and showing them how to gpg-check their linux kernel at boot time
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10:10 leah; and explaining to them why usb is safer, due to lack of dma, and how even if the usb host controller is malicious, all it can do is basically dd if=/dev/zero your data
10:11 leah; if said data is encrypted
10:11 leah; kinda the same principle as https as a defense against men in the middle attacks
10:12 leah; and this, based on one evening with someone on #coreboot irc studying the AHCI spec
10:12 leah; and finding an obscure paragraph in it
10:12 leah; :P
10:13 leah; all of this is on libreboot.org
10:13 leah; and done out of boredom
10:14 activelow; i am planning to drop GNU compiler, if possible, and replace it with pcc; to let the fsf know
10:14 activelow; gcc is a monstrosity of vendor specific malicious extensions
10:14 leah; well that's not important
10:14 activelow; GCC is the #1 project of the FSF
10:14 leah; use llvm
10:15 activelow; certainly not
10:15 leah; pcc?
10:15 activelow; i fiddled for weeks, to cleanup the dependency graph already
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10:16 leah; http://pcc.ludd.ltu.se/ right?
10:16 activelow; yes, pcc the original *nix compiler
10:16 TR Bot; timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://pcc.ludd.ltu.se/ )
10:16 leah; interesting
10:16 activelow; currently, i re-integrate gcc-4.7.4 into my gentoo-profile, with all c++ removed, as a first measure
10:17 leah; sounds fun
10:17 activelow; it is an awful hackjob
10:17 leah; schestowitz-TR: "industry" is bullshit
10:17 leah; the real work is done by people who get no recognition
10:17 Ariadne; 90% of security industry is hoarding vulnerability data and not letting people get access to it
10:18 schestowitz-TR; ^^
10:19 leah; if you want to get rich off of someone else's work, give them "exciting opportunities" and a company car
10:19 leah; or better yet
10:20 leah; download it from their git repository
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10:21 leah; i've met tons of really cool people that get completely sequestered by that, and end up making the world worse
10:21 leah; because their work is hoarded by their boss
10:21 leah; activelow: what is your project?
10:21 leah; that you are using pcc for
10:22 activelow; leah: one idea is i can retain a 100% source-based workflow on low-power embedded systems
10:23 activelow; before that, i removed c++ and all dependencies, and gcc-4.7.4 is the last known Gnu compiler which doesn't require c++ to bootstrap itself
10:24 activelow; next, i'll replace gcc with pcc and see what breaks; and finally, i can drop gcc entirely (never merged llvm/clang)
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10:25 activelow; furthermore, most free/opensource hardware is limited to low-power embedded
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10:26 activelow; leah: however i do not think the gap from opensource software to fully opensource hardware can be bridged
10:26 leah; why not?
10:26 activelow; opensource hardware is mostly limited to gigatron ttl, z80 or mos6502 era systems
10:26 activelow; which is, at best 16bit Unix
10:27 leah; z80 can play alex kidd at least
10:27 activelow; interesting sidenote: former kernel hacker Alan Cox departed into 16bit unix real, with FuzixOS
10:27 leah; what do you think about riscv
10:27 activelow; *realm
10:27 activelow; leah: i won't touch risc-v
10:27 leah; why not
10:27 activelow; for both, political and practical reasons
10:28 leah; and what do/will you touch
10:28 activelow; risc-v requires backporting to compilers/kernel-versions which would be barely acceptable, if at all
10:28 activelow; leah: j-core.org could be a better choice for 32bit unix, then PCC compiler supports various targets
10:29 activelow; for some of them Verilog is available for FPGA deployment: sparc64 (sparc leon), mips, 68k; and the microcontrollers mentioned above
10:29 activelow; although, i do not recommend any of them, there is problems with all of them
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10:30 activelow; and the only system which may be truly 100% opensource and free is the gigatron ttl project
10:30 activelow; needless to say, the gap between this type of open/free hardware and gnu/linux is gigantic
10:31 leah; i see, so you aren't seeking any sort of nuance inbetween
10:31 leah; you want to control every aspect
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10:32 activelow; no, i only verify if it would at least be possible to do a review; of cause i cannot review and control everything, and i do not want to either
10:33 leah; this is a bit heavy for me since i'm starting to feel the urge to take a nap
10:33 leah; but what you're describing sounds cool
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10:34 leah; interesting, i checked j-core.org at your recommendation
10:34 leah; i've read about SuperH before
10:34 TR News; #microsoft ... SO #woke ... hiring and thus protecting (from ARREST) men who repeatedly assault MULTIPLE women. Hiring them for TOP roles, IN SPITE of warnings from their victims http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/
=> http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/
10:34 TR Bot; [Teaser] Meet Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot, Balabhadra (Alex) Graveley | Techrights
10:35 leah; the context at the time was, a friend and i were laughing at a video of how the name is actually pronounced in japanese
10:35 activelow; i do not explicitely recommend j-core.org; the SH2 ISA Verilog is available, however the devs could not deploy without malicious Xilinx tooling
10:36 leah; and how it sounded similar to another word in that language which was a bit lewd (and also i'm interested in retro console stuff, and like to learn about those old machines. SuperH was used on the sega saturn right?)
10:36 activelow; and j-core has another important advantage: gcc supported this ISA for decades
10:36 activelow; linux kernel too does
10:40 leah; i wish i could still find the video
10:40 leah; something is compelling me to ask you: have you ever heard of a project called 86box?
10:41 activelow; not yet leah
10:41 leah; https://86box.net/ it's not related at all to what you're discussing, except i think you'd find this project very interesting
10:41 TR Bot; 86Box | Emulator of retro x86-based machines
10:41 leah; as an academic exercise
10:42 leah; it's not fpga stuff. it's a software-based x86 emulator. focusing on accuracy
10:42 activelow; i think i prefer the gigatron for this type of studies
10:42 leah; there's a recent fork of it called pcbox, which has pentium3 support with sse fully emulated
10:42 leah; not verilog stuff though
10:43 leah; but i find what you're working on cool too
10:43 leah; well, the reason i bring up 86box/pcbox is because, in the future, i see the possibility of implementing completely accurate x86 systems on FPGA
10:44 activelow; i won't touch any x86
10:44 activelow; waste of time and efforts
10:44 leah; the emulator is quite competent. though due to its very nature, on even the latest hardware, it only runs the emulated machines at a few percent real time speed
10:44 leah; well, older stuff is going to be full speed. newer stuff is very slow
10:44 leah; yeah well, you're talking about that j-core site
10:44 leah; and it's talking about fpga stuff
10:44 activelow; i have absolutely zero interest in the Wintel platform
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10:45 activelow; my favorite would be the gigatron, however i haven't got one yet, and before this i will finish some embedded-linux distro for personal use
10:45 leah; there have been instances in the past where fpga's were literally made because emulators were very competent, and a good reference to describe how the systems function
10:45 TR News; Proprietary
10:45 *inky (~inky@31.7.162.99) has joined #techrights
10:45 leah; e.g. MiSTER
10:45 TR News; NEWS #ITWire #ProprietarySoftware Microsoft a big part of the cyber security problem: Proofpoint exec https://itwire.com/security/microsoft-a-big-part-of-the-cyber-security-problem-proofpoint-exec.html
10:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/security/microsoft-a-big-part-of-the-cyber-security-problem-proofpoint-exec.html
10:45 TR Bot; - Microsoft a big part of the cyber security problem: Proofpoint exec
10:45 leah; i'd like to learn verilog, one day
10:46 activelow; maybe, even this isn't necessary, the gigatron is build from ttl chips
10:46 activelow; and most FPGA/Verilog/VHDL related tooling is malicious and proprietary
10:46 leah; that name keeps triggering me and ive just realized why
10:47 leah; in the videogame "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City" there's an advert on the in-game car radio, that talks about a computer gaming system called the gigatron
10:47 activelow; and hardware too can be designed without verilog; with pencil and paper, down to the digital circuitry
10:47 leah; i'm not making that up either
10:47 activelow; including hazard free designs
10:47 leah; i'm guessing your gigatron is real though
10:48 leah; wait no
10:48 leah; it's called degenatron
10:48 activelow; it's not mine, there was two hackers in the netherlands who published it; just saying concerning opensource hardware and software FSF and affiliates could learn something
10:48 leah; sorry lol
10:48 activelow; leah: degenatron?
10:49 leah; yeah sorry i got mixed up
10:49 leah; i'm being stupid
10:49 schestowitz-TR; not stupid
10:49 schestowitz-TR; people appreciate your work
10:49 leah; how does that appreciate to this lol
10:49 TR News; NEWS #TheVerge #Privacy #Surveillance The vice president should not be using #Bluetooth headphones https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/7/22822431/kamala-harris-bluetooth-security-hacking-headphones
=> ↺ https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/7/22822431/kamala-harris-bluetooth-security-hacking-headphones
10:49 TR Bot; The vice president should not be using Bluetooth headphones - The Verge
10:50 schestowitz-TR; leah: maybe a lack of sleep
10:50 schestowitz-TR; I had sleep very late, 4-8:30am
10:50 schestowitz-TR; afaik, you've been nocturnal today
10:50 leah; activelow: schestowitz-TR https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=Qs7vQh06osg
=> ↺ https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=Qs7vQh06osg
10:50 leah; lol
10:50 TR Bot; GTA Vice City - Degenatron Commercial - Invidious
10:51 schestowitz-TR; leah: good news, today (yes, today) we've migrated to gemtext for irc logs
10:51 schestowitz; e.g. gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-071221.gmi
=> gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-071221.gmi
10:51 leah; that is very neutral news, but a wonderful technical achievement
10:51 leah; i still have gemtext support on todo for untitled
10:52 leah; what i have in mind for untitled is very cursed, potentially
10:52 leah; have you ever heard of a thing called a dynamic site generator?
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10:52 leah; because i've invented it. in my head
10:52 leah; i just need to implement it
10:53 leah; >write pages in gemtext or markdown
10:53 leah; >convert gemtext to markdown
10:53 leah; >markdown to html, for web version of a site. with pandoc templates
10:53 leah; now, so far what we have is a boring static site generator
10:54 leah; now imagine you have a hidden section of your site, inaccessible to the public, but you can put server side code in it
10:54 leah; and now imagine the static site generator can generate pages in many different extensions. including .php
10:54 leah; and the markdown-written pages are generated into html
10:54 leah; but, optionally, for a given page or set of pages, you can insert server side code
10:54 Ariadne; idk who techrights pissed off today but i just had to block a shitload of udp traffic directed at it
10:54 leah; untitled wouldn't do server side stuff
10:55 leah; but you would use it with such a thing
10:55 leah; e.g. php preprocessor
10:55 leah; or whatever else you want to use
10:55 leah; hybrid gemtext/markdown dynamic site generator
10:55 leah; now tell me:
10:55 leah; is this an abomination that you would put out of its misery
10:55 leah; or do you think this idea is cool?
10:55 leah; because i think it could really be amazing
10:56 leah; >dynamic site generator
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10:56 leah; the power and flexibility of writing a site in a simplified markup language
10:56 leah; but with the html version having server side code for whatever you want to do
10:56 leah; and
10:56 leah; still write it in bash
10:56 leah; 100% bash
10:57 leah; i've already seen the code, in my head. writing it is on todo
10:57 leah; of course, in this instance i don't think about gemini://
10:57 leah; i'm thinking of gemtext as simply an easier markup language, to be converted into html using pandoc. with an html template
10:58 leah; but you could still design your site with gemini:// in mind too
10:58 leah; schestowitz: can gemini do template stuff
10:58 leah; like. you have pages. that are just documents for different topics
10:58 leah; but then you have common header/navigation/footer
10:58 leah; can gemini do that
10:58 leah; or does every gemtext file have to link to each thing you want it to link to
10:59 leah; i still haven't actually looked at gemini yet. but i've looked at the gemtext markup language itself
11:00 leah; dynamic site generator
11:00 leah; that can also be a normal static site generator. just don't put server side code in your site
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11:01 leah; it wouldn't be very usable for, say, the next wordpress. but can be useful for forms and such
11:01 schestowitz-TR; [10:58] but then you have common header/navigation/footer
11:01 leah; in pandoc markdown, it's possible to still put html in the markdown file
11:01 schestowitz-TR; yes, you can do loads of things
11:01 leah; and pandoc will not touch it
11:01 schestowitz-TR; one option is cat'ing things in
11:02 leah; that's literally what untitled does
11:02 schestowitz-TR; with a cron job that keeps the capsule up to date
11:02 leah; more or less
11:02 leah; tl;dr there is a happy medium between wordpress, and "static site generator"
11:02 leah; and that's the dynamic site generator. and nobody has tried it yet i don't think
11:03 schestowitz; gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/tr-git/Gemini/
=> gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/tr-git/Gemini/
11:03 schestowitz; all the code
11:03 schestowitz; updated from git repeatedly
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11:04 schestowitz; gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-071221.gmi
=> gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-071221.gmi
11:05 leah; schestowitz: what's the deal anyway, are you going to ditch http altogether?
11:07 schestowitz-TR; no
11:07 schestowitz-TR; but we promote alternatives too
11:08 schestowitz-TR; www is proprietary
11:08 schestowitz-TR; DRM and chrome clones
11:08 schestowitz-TR; many sites cannot be accessed with free browsers anymore
11:08 schestowitz-TR; as in freedom-repsecting
11:08 schestowitz-TR; not 'free spyware'
11:08 schestowitz-TR; more and more people flock to gemini
11:09 schestowitz-TR; since midnigh today 11k+ page requests in our gemini capsule
11:09 schestowitz-TR; in gemini, hit typically means page
11:09 schestowitz-TR; in www, hit can mean "fetch gif of bulletpoint from css file"
11:10 schestowitz-TR; www is very bloated
11:10 schestowitz-TR; and it encourages centralisation in a lot of ways
11:10 schestowitz-TR; many people don't realise it
11:10 *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@ddstkmbt93p8q.irc) has joined #techrights
11:10 schestowitz-TR; unless you show them all the evidence and they go, "oh..."
11:10 schestowitz-TR; now the www access is controlled by about 230 CAs
11:11 schestowitz-TR; and if you're not 'authorised' by them, they will call you 'dark web' soon
11:11 schestowitz-TR; and prevent people from even accessing the site
11:11 schestowitz-TR; the other night DaemonFC showed that Zemlin's PAC now promotes Microsoft's and Bill's censorship initiatives
11:11 schestowitz-TR; site blocking basicall
11:11 schestowitz-TR; LF likes censorship
11:11 schestowitz-TR; and paid by Microsoft to promote this
11:12 DaemonFC; Yeah, and they'll push for Fakebook to use this.
11:12 TR News; NEWS #TheVerge #Privacy #Surveillance #Twitter is testing changes to the way it handles reported tweets https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/7/22822878/twitter-testing-changes-report-tweet-abuse-suspicious-behavior
11:12 TR Bot; Twitter is testing changes to the way it handles reported tweets - The Verge
11:12 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: fb already does it
11:12 DaemonFC; Eventually it'll shadowban anything that doesn't come from Uncle Bill's sources, like the Grauniad and CNN.
11:12 schestowitz-TR; you said the even warned you about stallman.org
11:12 schestowitz-TR; with "legit" cert and all
11:13 TR News; NEWS #IndiaTimes #Privacy #Surveillance #Facebook user data approach gets a major blow https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/big-data/facebook-user-data-approach-gets-a-major-blow/88143610
11:13 TR Bot; meta: Facebook user data approach gets a major blow, IT News, ET CIO
11:13 TR News; NEWS #IndiaTimes #Privacy #Surveillance #Germany chip chemical supplier to spend $1 billion in U.S., pairs with #Palantir on supply chain data https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/german-chip-chemical-supplier-to-spend-1-billion-in-u-s-pairs-with-palantir-on-supply-chain-data/88156094
11:13 TR Bot; semiconductor manufacturing: German chip chemical supplier to spend $1 billion in U.S., pairs with Palantir on supply chain data, IT News, ET CIO
11:13 DaemonFC; Yeah, but they do it with WGN too, on articles that promote forced "vaccination".
11:13 schestowitz; leah: read http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/control-but-no-accountability/
=> http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/control-but-no-accountability/
11:13 TR Bot; High-Level Criminals Associate Privacy With Crime Because They Want Privacy Only for Themselves (Control But No Accountability) | Techrights
11:16 DaemonFC; "Illinois: Jesse White (D) is retiring after six terms. However, since the secretary of state mostly manages state records and automobile services and does not run elections, this will not be a major target for either party. Several Democrats and two Republicans have filed nevertheless."
11:16 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: vaccination is good
11:16 DaemonFC; I don't agree.
11:16 schestowitz-TR; but not this thing
11:16 schestowitz-TR; and not this way
11:16 DaemonFC; WIth the SoS thing.
11:17 schestowitz-TR; they redefine antixvax
11:17 schestowitz-TR; and they also redefine uvaccinated
11:17 schestowitz-TR; to suit one particular product or patent pool
11:17 schestowitz-TR; we should not accept this misuse of words
11:17 DaemonFC; The Republicans should push for that because it's a chance to gut a hive of unionized "public workers" who draw massive state benefits, and contribute their union dues to the Democrats.
11:17 DaemonFC; The DMV, of course.
11:18 DaemonFC; They should push to make the employees redundant and get foot traffic down. Like Indiana did.
11:19 DaemonFC; Licenses that expire every 7 years instead of 4 doesn't make a lot of difference to public safety, just as one license plate on the back of the car works just as well as plates on both sides.
11:19 DaemonFC; The difference is we could eliminate nearly half the positions at the DMV and save a million dollars a year issuing front plates.
11:20 leah; ooooh goodie. covid shit
11:20 activelow; lol
11:20 *leah will get back to her things
11:20 activelow; bye
11:20 schestowitz-TR; 0/
11:21 leah; get your booster shot and enjoy your life
11:21 schestowitz-TR; which booster?
11:21 schestowitz-TR; 1st booster?
11:21 schestowitz-TR; 2nd booster?
11:21 schestowitz-TR; 1st booster booster? (5th)
11:21 leah; in UK they're doing 3rd booster shots now
11:22 schestowitz-TR; vaccines typically don't work this way
11:22 schestowitz-TR; my sister in law just got moderna
11:22 leah; yeah it's mRNA stuff
11:22 schestowitz-TR; the arm and stuff swelled
11:22 DaemonFC; "Steve Bullock, a Democrat who has won three statewide elections in very red Montana (AG + governor x2) and lost one (Senate), has written an op-ed in The New York Times telling Democrats to get out of their cities and meet with rural voters if they want to win elections. Simply conceding all rural voters to the Republicans is not a good idea because there simply aren't enough dependable urban voters to win elections consistently and in some
11:22 DaemonFC; states there aren't enough under any conditions. But if Democrats would do a better job of talking to rural voters, they could win statewide in purple states and even in some cases in red states, as Bullock did three times.
11:22 DaemonFC; His first point is that Democrats have a strong tendency to be condescending to rural voters and treat them as dumb yokels who don't understand how they should live and think, but who can be enlightened by woke urban Democrats who know how things truly are. That doesn't work. It really doesn't. If Democrats want to consistently win elections outside of deep blue states, they need to come to understand this."
11:22 DaemonFC; It
11:22 schestowitz-TR; same with her husband
11:22 leah; i heard it described basically like ram in a computer
11:22 schestowitz-TR; and they're about my age
11:22 schestowitz-TR; not at risk of death
11:22 DaemonFC; It's not the goal of trolls like Matt Goolag to convince anyone else their policies are right.
11:22 leah; the vaccines wear off
11:22 activelow; flu vaccination is scheduled once a year, with a new ingredient everytime
11:22 schestowitz-TR; leah: all vaccines do
11:22 DaemonFC; Matt Goolag is basically a Democrat Trump who just wants to "own" the other side.
11:23 schestowitz-TR; but this one is very shitty
11:23 leah; RNA stuff is only temporary and needs to be done every now and then. they're saying every year
11:23 leah; like the flu shots
11:23 schestowitz-TR; they need to improve
11:23 activelow; they inject three strains at once, and next year one strain is swapped against another
11:23 schestowitz-TR; but with patent pools and lots of money
11:23 schestowitz-TR; 1) they don't need to improve
11:23 leah; i get my booster soon
11:23 schestowitz-TR; 2) financial incentive to keep this virus around
11:23 schestowitz-TR; leah: I get vaccinated
11:23 schestowitz-TR; not against it
11:24 schestowitz-TR; the media redefined terms
11:24 *leah will grab a booster cup of coffee
11:24 schestowitz-TR; haha
11:24 schestowitz-TR; I cracked open a jar yesterday
11:25 schestowitz-TR; after a week "off" caffeine
11:25 leah; i really am grabbing coffee
11:25 schestowitz-TR; we have BIG reports on EPO soon
11:25 schestowitz-TR; and EU authorities take note
11:26 DaemonFC; "With the exception of Obama, Democrats do have a tendency to not acknowledge that there are white working class or white poor people. I sometimes wonder if they actually forgot that they exist."
11:26 DaemonFC; This.
11:26 TR News; NEWS #IndiaTimes #Russia fines Gulag over content, bigger penalty looms https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/government-policy/russia-fines-google-over-content-bigger-penalty-looms/88144802
11:26 TR Bot; google: Russia fines Google over content, bigger penalty looms, IT News, ET CIO
11:27 DaemonFC; Democrats are seen by rural voters as the party that wants to put poor inner city blacks on welfare and keep them that way so they're hooked and just have to keep voting for a poverty trap with no way out.
11:27 DaemonFC; Additionally, they see Democrats don't even talk about white poverty, at all.
11:28 DaemonFC; This makes it easy to scream Fuck Joe Biden, because he's never talking about what to do about white poverty and how to bring jobs to the US, just endless poverty trap entitlement programs for inner cities.
11:29 DaemonFC; Ones that have nothing to pay for them, and are causing horrendous inflation for people who don't qualify.
11:30 DaemonFC; "I spent the first thirty years of my life in rural communities and know from personal experience that many country people are insular, narrow-minded, and unusually resistant to change. They trust their preachers more than their teachers. They see any kind of government assistance as a zero-sum game, i.e., if one group 'wins,' they lose."
11:30 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: back to tech now
11:30 schestowitz-TR; please
11:30 DaemonFC; Well, oddly that's because it's how "public assistance" works. They set the income limits so low that anyone who works at all can't possibly get it, just pay for it.
11:32 DaemonFC; The normal income limits for food stamps, pretty much cuts off anyone who works more than about half of full time at minimum wage in a blue state.
11:32 DaemonFC; Nice way to cause resentment.
11:33 DaemonFC; Illinois is fragmenting into micro-states, because the Democrats think they're going to come in and tell everyone how they'll live, and then prosecutors and city halls say "We're not going to enforce this.".
11:34 DaemonFC; Or they realize they're going to have to let an abortion factory in, so they use zoning laws, and they refuse to bring FOID Act indictments to court unless you're like some kind of a kingpin they're throwing the book at anyway, etc.
11:36 DaemonFC; It really makes people like Bill Gates mad when they want to control everyone and how they're allowed to think.
11:36 DaemonFC; And then there's pushback from the ground up and new platforms they can't control.
11:36 DaemonFC; And Stallman and Bill Gates agree about children a lot.
11:37 DaemonFC; Not just that Epstein may have had some that "agreed", but that there should be more abortions because of some stupid bird that nobody heard about that may or may not be threatened with "climate change".
11:38 DaemonFC; It wouldn't surprise me if Stallman promotes natrium reactors next.
11:38 DaemonFC; Because the Grauniad says we need them.
11:38 DaemonFC; This isn't activism. This is outsourcing thinking to corrupt fake news sources.
11:39 schestowitz-TR; noise sources
11:39 schestowitz-TR; lobbying
11:39 schestowitz-TR; advertising
11:39 schestowitz-TR; with degrees in english and history
11:39 schestowitz-TR; doing assignements
11:39 schestowitz-TR; "write this article about this [sponsors' stakeholding]"
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11:41 DaemonFC; Yeah, CNN Underscored has a quota about how many product reviews you write per week. At least 5-8.
11:41 TR News; [Teaser] Rape is Not a Joke Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/rape-not-a-joke/ #Techrights #microsoft #github #deletegithub #NatFriedman | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/rape-not-a-joke/
=> http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/rape-not-a-joke/
=> gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/rape-not-a-joke/
11:41 TR Bot; [Teaser] Rape is Not a Joke | Techrights
11:41 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: 'reviews'
11:41 DaemonFC; So I wonder how people get any time with a product they "review" or if they just use talking points.
11:41 schestowitz-TR; scare quotes
11:41 schestowitz-TR; the web is webspam
11:41 schestowitz-TR; web spamfarms
11:42 schestowitz-TR; and we should call that out
11:42 schestowitz-TR; you search for reviews on something you want to buy
11:42 schestowitz-TR; google spams you with ads
11:42 schestowitz-TR; and the search results are also ads
11:42 schestowitz-TR; so it's ads and ads
11:42 schestowitz-TR; and you buy based on ads, not info
11:42 schestowitz-TR; go to gemini
11:42 schestowitz-TR; web = mind cancel these days
11:42 schestowitz-TR; too much PR and spam
11:42 schestowitz-TR; even wikipedia got badly distorted
11:42 schestowitz-TR; it's like a platform for PR firms to collaboratea
11:43 schestowitz-TR; and those who edit and are not paid have their edited undone
11:43 schestowitz-TR; because it's not their full-time job
11:43 schestowitz-TR; esp. in particular areas and topics
11:43 schestowitz-TR; the "high-prized" ones
11:44 TR News; NEWS #TheEconomist #Energy [Cryptocurrency] #lobbying is going ballistic https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2021/12/07/crypto-lobbying-is-going-ballistic
=> ↺ https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2021/12/07/crypto-lobbying-is-going-ballistic
11:44 Alternative link; Cloudflare: economist.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2021/12/07/crypto-lobbying-is-going-ballistic
11:44 TR Bot; lobbying is going ballistic | The Economist
11:44 DaemonFC; Beans and spam, spam and eggs, eggs, coffee and spam.....
11:45 TR News; #Zuckerberg family devouring things for financial gain https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/zuckerberg-chan-invest-34b-science-advances-81613649 #lobbying #bribery #oligarchy
=> ↺ https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/zuckerberg-chan-invest-34b-science-advances-81613649
11:45 TR Bot; Zuckerberg, Chan to invest up to $3.4B for science advances - ABC News
11:45 DaemonFC; spam spam spam spam!!!!
11:45 TR News; NEWS #TheHill Language requiring companies to report cyberattacks left out of defense bill https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/584774-language-requiring-companies-to-report-cyberattacks-left-out-of-defense
11:45 TR Bot; requiring companies to report cyberattacks left out of defense bill | TheHill
11:45 DaemonFC; I always have some cans of spam around because you can do almost anything with it.
11:46 TR News; NEWS #BroadbandBreakfast #Internet Critics Concerned Infrastructure Bill Money Will Go to Satellites, Harm Fiber Builds https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2021/12/critics-concerned-infrastructure-bill-money-will-go-to-satellites-harm-fiber-builds/ #grifting and plunder by opportunists with lobbyists, who buy the politicians
11:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: broadbandbreakfast.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2021/12/critics-concerned-infrastructure-bill-money-will-go-to-satellites-harm-fiber-builds/
11:46 TR Bot; Critics Concerned Infrastructure Bill Money Will Go to Satellites, Harm Fiber Builds : Broadband Breakfast
11:46 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: military food
11:46 DaemonFC; Soldiers in WWII got so tired of it because it was on the menu almost every day.
11:47 TR News; NEWS #IndiaTimes #Monopolies U.S. says Nvidia-Arm deal harms market for networking, self-driving car chips https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/government-policy/u-s-says-nvidia-arm-deal-harms-market-for-networking-self-driving-car-chips/88144638
11:47 TR Bot; nvidia: U.S. says Nvidia-Arm deal harms market for networking, self-driving car chips, IT News, ET CIO
11:47 TR News; NEWS #Axios #Monopolies Scoop: Over 200 papers quietly sue Big Tech https://www.axios.com/1-local-newspapers-lawsuits-facebook-google-3c3dee3a-cce3-49ef-b0a2-7a98c2e15c91.html 'Big Tech' is an unhelpful term: http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/
=> ↺ https://www.axios.com/1-local-newspapers-lawsuits-facebook-google-3c3dee3a-cce3-49ef-b0a2-7a98c2e15c91.html
=> http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/
11:47 Alternative link; Cloudflare: axios.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.axios.com/1-local-newspapers-lawsuits-facebook-google-3c3dee3a-cce3-49ef-b0a2-7a98c2e15c91.html
11:47 TR Bot; 200 newspapers now involved in quiet lawsuits v. Google, Facebook - Axios
11:47 TR Bot; Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | Techrights
11:47 DaemonFC; Yes, it's cheap, it's stable (a can is good for about 10 years, and it's not objectionable, and can be cooked almost any way you want it.
11:48 DaemonFC; It makes for a good military ration, although I hear they actually got worse.
11:48 DaemonFC; Especially the vegetarian ones.
11:49 DaemonFC; MREs are not meant to be gourmet dining, they're meant so you can have something to eat even under the most difficult circumstances out in the field.
11:49 DaemonFC; And they tend to include things like gum, basic medical supplies you can pocket for later, and toilet paper.
11:50 DaemonFC; The medical kit tends to be different based on climate and what reason you'd have to use it.
11:51 DaemonFC; For example, the emergency rations for downed fighter pilots has food, pain pills, and stimulants in case you end up in a situation where you have to keep moving and can't afford to fall asleep.
11:51 DaemonFC; If you have people after you trying to kill you, staying up for a few days with stimulants is less dangerous.
11:53 TR News; NEWS #Tor Responding to Tor #censorship in #Russia https://blog.torproject.org/tor-censorship-in-russia/ @XRevan86 #ru
=> ↺ https://blog.torproject.org/tor-censorship-in-russia/
11:53 TR Bot; Responding to Tor censorship in Russia | The Tor Project
11:53 DaemonFC; It's usually amphetamines, not caffeine.
11:53 DaemonFC; Caffeine as a stay awake pill usually works to keep you going for a little while, but it's not long haul stuff. You get jittery and then crash.
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12:06 TR News; NEWS #DemocracyNow #patent #patents As World Confronts MEGATRON Variant, Top 8 #Pfizer & #Moderna Investors Make $10 Billion in a Week https://www.democracynow.org/2021/12/7/pfizer_and_moderna_shareholders_profit
=> ↺ https://www.democracynow.org/2021/12/7/pfizer_and_moderna_shareholders_profit
12:06 TR Bot; As World Confronts Omicron Variant, Top 8 Pfizer & Moderna Investors Make $10 Billion in a Week | Democracy Now!
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12:12 TR News; "Funding Is Stalled" is NOT the problem. FUNDING is NOT the problem. The problem is the #patent #monopolies https://www.democracynow.org/2021/12/7/biden_omicron_variant_vaccine_stalls #patent #greed #monopoly
=> ↺ https://www.democracynow.org/2021/12/7/biden_omicron_variant_vaccine_stalls
12:12 TR Bot; U.S. Vowed to Help Prevent New Variants by Closing Global Vaccine Gap, But Plans Funding Is Stalled | Democracy Now!
12:14 TR News; #jeffreyepstein and Maxwell https://www.rawstory.com/ghislaine-maxwell-outsourced-acts-for-jeffrey-epstein-jury-hears/ while #billgates (the son of another Maxwell) tried to release Epstein from prison http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/
=> ↺ https://www.rawstory.com/ghislaine-maxwell-outsourced-acts-for-jeffrey-epstein-jury-hears/
=> http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/
12:14 Alternative link; Cloudflare: rawstory.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.rawstory.com/ghislaine-maxwell-outsourced-acts-for-jeffrey-epstein-jury-hears/
12:14 TR Bot; Ghislaine Maxwell outsourced sex acts for Jeffrey Epstein, jury hears - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism
12:14 TR Bot; Speaking Through Spokespeople is a Sign of Weakness, Such as Non-Denying and False Denials (or: Bill Gates Never Denied His Connections to MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein) | Techrights
12:21 schestowitz; "... from our members, including OpenSSFs premier members 1Password, AWS, Cisco, Citi, Dell Technologies, Ericsson, Meta, Fidelity, GitHub, Google, Huawei, Intel, IBM, JP Morgan Chase, Microsoft, Morgan Stanley, Oracle, Red Hat, Snyk, and VMWare."
12:21 schestowitz; x https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/a-2021-linux-foundation-update-from-the%E2%80%AD-%E2%80%ACexecutive-director/
12:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: linuxfoundation.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/a-2021-linux-foundation-update-from-the%E2%80%AD-%E2%80%ACexecutive-director/
12:21 TR Bot; A 2021 Linux Foundation Update from the Executive Director - Linux Foundation
12:21 schestowitz; do we TRUST them?
12:21 schestowitz; LF= monopolies incubation
12:22 TR News; Over 200 Newspapers Quietly Sue Big Tech - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/12/07/2252223 #soylentnews ... do not say "Big Tech" ... you're helping #microsoft http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/
=> ↺ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/12/07/2252223
=> http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/
12:22 TR Bot; Over 200 Newspapers Quietly Sue Big Tech - SoylentNews
12:27 TR News; Whats the Difference Between #Git Switch and Checkout? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158869 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158869
12:27 TR Bot; What's the Difference Between Git Switch and Checkout? | Tux Machines
12:28 TR News; #freesw photo processing with #Darktable Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158870 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158870
12:28 TR Bot; Open source photo processing with Darktable | Tux Machines
12:28 TR News; Best #Freesw Alternatives to #Apple Final Cut Pro Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158871 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158871
12:28 TR Bot; Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Final Cut Pro | Tux Machines
12:29 TR News; Tender to optimize text layout performance for print and PDF export (#202112-01) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158872 #libreoffice #opendocument #TuxMachines
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12:29 TR Bot; Tender to optimize text layout performance for print and PDF export (#202112-01) | Tux Machines
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12:48 TR News; NEWS #Shadowproof #Whistleblower #CraigMurray Speaks Out After Being Imprisoned In #Scotland Over Blog Posts https://shadowproof.com/2021/12/07/exclusive-interview-craig-murray-prison-scotland-blog-posts/
=> ↺ https://shadowproof.com/2021/12/07/exclusive-interview-craig-murray-prison-scotland-blog-posts/
12:48 TR Bot; Whistleblower Craig Murray Speaks Out After Imprisonment For Blog Posts
12:50 TR News; NEWS #TheNation #patent #patents #monopolies #profit New Corona Variants = More Deaths https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/new-corona-variants-more-deaths/ more variants = more profits too
=> ↺ https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/new-corona-variants-more-deaths/
12:50 Alternative link; Cloudflare: thenation.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/new-corona-variants-more-deaths/
12:50 TR Bot; New Corona Variants = More Deaths | The Nation
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13:00 TR News; NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #gulag #YouTube Processes 4 Million Content ID Claims Per Day, Transparency Report Reveals https://torrentfreak.com/youtube-processes-4-million-content-id-claims-per-day-transparency-report-reveals-211207/
13:00 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/youtube-processes-4-million-content-id-claims-per-day-transparency-report-reveals-211207/
13:00 TR Bot; Processes 4 Million Content ID Claims Per Day, Transparency Report Reveals * TorrentFreak
13:01 TR News; NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #GaryBowser Agrees to Pay $10 Million in Piracy Damages to #Nintendo https://torrentfreak.com/gary-bowser-agrees-to-pay-10-million-in-piracy-damages-to-nintendo-211207/
13:01 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/gary-bowser-agrees-to-pay-10-million-in-piracy-damages-to-nintendo-211207/
13:01 TR Bot; Bowser Agrees to Pay $10 Million in Piracy Damages to Nintendo * TorrentFreak
13:02 TR News; NEWS #EFF First Circuit Affirms School's Punishment of Students for Online #SocialcontrolMedia Posts https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/first-circuit-affirms-schools-punishment-students-online-social-media-posts
13:02 TR Bot; First Circuit Affirms School's Punishment of Students for Online Social Media Posts | Electronic Frontier Foundation
13:04 TR News; NEWS #EFF Pay a Hacker, Save a Life https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/pay-hacker-save-life witth #microsoft , #hospitals pay crackers, too (because people are dying) http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/
=> ↺ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/pay-hacker-save-life
=> http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/
13:04 TR Bot; Pay a Hacker, Save a Life | Electronic Frontier Foundation
13:04 TR Bot; Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights
13:07 TR News; NEWS #CommonDreams #Finance Richest 1% Took 38% of New Global Wealth Since 1995. The Bottom Half Got Just 2% https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/12/07/richest-1-took-38-new-global-wealth-1995-bottom-half-got-just-2
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13:07 TR Bot; Richest 1% Took 38% of New Global Wealth Since 1995. The Bottom Half Got Just 2%
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13:33 TR News; #Openhardware smartphone #PinePhone Pro starts to ship Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158873 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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13:33 TR Bot; Open hardware smartphone PinePhone Pro starts to ship | Tux Machines
13:33 SomeH4x0r; iirc this "open hardware" has locked bootloader
13:34 TR News; #Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158874 #Linux #TuxMachines
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158874
13:34 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
13:34 psydroid2; locked bootloader?
13:34 psydroid2; not something like mainline u-boot?
13:35 psydroid2; https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Uboot
=> ↺ https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Uboot
13:35 TR Bot; Uboot - PINE64
13:36 SomeH4x0r; nvm, it was Fairphone
13:37 SomeH4x0r; Pinephone is ok then
13:37 TR News; #AlexGraveley , a serial abuser, has been protected by #Microsoft ; what does that say about Microsoft and about #NatFriedman , GitHubs CEO whom Alex considers his "best friend"? Stay tuned as we have plenty more to show http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/ #github #deletegithub
=> http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/
13:37 TR Bot; [Teaser] Meet Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot, Balabhadra (Alex) Graveley | Techrights
13:38 TR News; Having just uploaded a police report (more here and here), were starting to move the ongoing series to the next phase, which will still be for the most part weekly installments on Mondays (for months to come) http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/rape-not-a-joke/ #microsoft #github #rapeJokes #deletegithub #predators
=> http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/rape-not-a-joke/
13:38 TR Bot; [Teaser] Rape is Not a Joke | Techrights
13:40 TR News; NEWS #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux #HEYHIHEYHIHEYHIHEYHIHEYHIHEYHIHEYHIHEYHI Snapshots from the history of AI, plus AI education resources https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/machine-learning-education-snapshots-history-ai-hello-world-12/
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13:40 Alternative link; Cloudflare: raspberrypi.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/machine-learning-education-snapshots-history-ai-hello-world-12/
13:40 TR Bot; Snapshots from the history of AI, plus AI education resources - Raspberry Pi
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13:47 schestowitz; Fairphone is not about freedom
13:47 schestowitz; it uses another f word
13:47 schestowitz; and it is mostly about tackling ewaste
13:47 schestowitz; important, but not the same cause
13:54 TR News; SolidRun unveils Sitara AM6442 SoM, HummingBoard-T AM64x carrier boards http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158858#comment-32004
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13:54 TR Bot; Compute module and Hummingboard-T SBC showcase safety-conscious TI AM64x | Tux Machines
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14:46 psydroid2; "We are the Microsoft Borg and we do Security(TM)"
14:46 psydroid2; https://www.microsoft.com/security/blog/2021/12/07/new-Secured-core-servers-are-now-available-from-the-microsoft-ecosystem-to-help-secure-your-infrastructure/
14:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: microsoft.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.microsoft.com/security/blog/2021/12/07/new-Secured-core-servers-are-now-available-from-the-microsoft-ecosystem-to-help-secure-your-infrastructure/
14:46 TR Bot; Secured-core servers are now available from the Microsoft ecosystem to help secure your infrastructure - Microsoft Security Blog
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15:18 TR News; NEWS #CommonDreams Amnesty Scorecard Finds #Twitter Failing to Protect Women From Online Abuse https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/12/07/amnesty-scorecard-finds-twitter-failing-protect-women-online-abuse #socialcontrolmedia is, in general, toxic crap. Sometimes Twitter SILENCES the VICTIMS.
15:18 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/12/07/amnesty-scorecard-finds-twitter-failing-protect-women-online-abuse
15:18 TR Bot; Amnesty Scorecard Finds Twitter Failing to Protect Women From Online Abuse
15:22 TR News; NEWS #Techdirt #Verizon Once Again Expands Its Snoopvertising Ambitions https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211206/06064048057/verizon-once-again-expands-snoopvertising-ambitions.shtml
15:22 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211206/06064048057/verizon-once-again-expands-snoopvertising-ambitions.shtml
15:22 TR Bot; Once Again Expands Its Snoopvertising Ambitions | Techdirt
15:28 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/2021/12/03/tweets-of-the-week-12-03-21/
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15:28 TR Bot; 25 Tweets Everyone Should've Read This Week
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15:31 TR News; NEWS #Techdirt #SpaceX Engine Production Woes Could Screw Up Musk's #Starlink Broadband Play https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211201/06515248031/space-x-engine-production-woes-could-screw-up-musks-starlink-broadband-play.shtml see what a grifter and #fraud #elonmusk is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkix4UzEbjU
=> ↺ https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211201/06515248031/space-x-engine-production-woes-could-screw-up-musks-starlink-broadband-play.shtml
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15:31 TR Bot; X Engine Production Woes Could Screw Up Musk's Starlink Broadband Play | Techdirt
15:31 TR Bot; I Hate Elon Musk - YouTube
15:43 TR News; Stephane Bortzmeyer #of GeminiProtocol fame: "When we say that the Web is too complicated... It has actual consequences, and not only the fact that writing a #Webbrowser is a task now reserved to a small #oligarchy . Here, there are #security consequences in CSS' richness" https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007659.html
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15:43 TR Bot; [Tech] The security consequences of the Web complexity
15:44 TR News; #mozilla is #gulag (Google) incubator. #linuxfoundation is GAFAM+IBM+Intel (the Is) incubator. They do there what it more useful for them to do via subsidiaries and front groups. DO NOT BE MISLED. KNOW WHAT THEY TRULY ARE....... and... if you want PROOF, then follow the MONEY. It's simple.
15:47 TR News; #Microsoft #GitHub Expos Part X will be released/published Monday. Now things are starting to get hot -- boiling even -- for Microsoft. #techrights #expose
15:47 TR News; This week #linuxfoundation is in 'damage control' mode. Curiously enough two unusual puff pieces released a day after http://techrights.org/2021/12/06/jim-zemlin-cancels-himself/ and http://techrights.org/2021/12/06/linux-foundation-irs/
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15:47 TR Bot; Jim Zemlin Has Deleted All of His Tweets | Techrights
15:47 TR Bot; No Linux Foundation IRS Disclosures Since 2018 | Techrights
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15:49 TR News; We did not write this: " #Techrights deals with a variety of issues that affect our everyday computing. It works by addressing particular subjects that need to be better understood and thus resolved." https://muckrack.com/media-outlet/techrights
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15:49 Alternative link; Cloudflare: muckrack.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://muckrack.com/media-outlet/techrights
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15:49 TR Bot; Techrights.org: Contact Information, Journalists, and Overview | Muck Rack
15:50 XRevan86; MinceR: Went to look what "acai" means, found out it's "aai", and it's a palm tree and its fruit.
15:50 Techrights-sec; Yep. Saw the message and the post to which it links.
15:50 Techrights-sec; Complexity is bad all around.
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15:53 TR News; Proprietary waste of energy; pass along the heatsink https://linuxhint.com/nvidia-ansel/
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15:53 Alternative link; Cloudflare: linuxhint.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxhint.com/nvidia-ansel/
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15:53 TR Bot; What is Nvidia Ansel?
15:54 TR News; Tech 101: just because technology CAN do something does not mean it SHOULD be done. As with many other things in life... #techrights #balance #reason
15:55 Techrights-sec; The complexity is also used intentionally.
15:55 Techrights-sec; In most cases it is cultivated and does not happen purely by accident.
15:55 schestowitz-TR; at some point or at some level, increasing complexity is, in its own right, vendor lockin. IBM and Microsoft master this. Oops, I said master...
15:58 Techrights-sec; yes, systemd has been about using complexity to circumvent the freedom and
15:58 Techrights-sec; decommoditize the OS
15:58 Techrights-sec; I'm starting to consider that many other projects are like that, many
15:58 Techrights-sec; choose that route on purpose to promote lock-in of sorts.
15:59 schestowitz; Another VERY important factor is 1) VERY frequent (and BUGGY) releases; 2) keep the forkers too busy, always with yesterday's bug-infested build 3) users are neglected, collateral damage for vendors' own ambitions
15:59 schestowitz; EasyOS's barry has a blog and he shows what level of complexity integration for a gnu/linux distro nowadays entails, with Web browsers that can take a day to compile and rarely compile, so it takes days of trial and error. librewolf still has some rough edges.
16:01 schestowitz-TR; activelow: of relevance to your work
16:01 schestowitz-TR; you study this more closely than most/all of us
16:02 Techrights-sec; There was an article a while back, a year or two maybe, about how it is now
16:02 Techrights-sec; more or less impossible to create a new web browser rendering engine due
16:02 Techrights-sec; to the complexity of the specs combined with their dynamic state as a moving
16:02 Techrights-sec; target.
16:02 schestowitz-TR; I remember
16:03 schestowitz-TR; there was something else I wanted to say about vendor lockin through complexiity, but I forgot what it was while typing. I think it merits a carefully written essay, if people still appreciate these at all in the age of tl;dr social control media
16:04 TR News; Feed society violence as entertainment, then wonder why people get violent? https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/anger-foot-gets-more-insane-in-the-latest-update/
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16:04 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/anger-foot-gets-more-insane-in-the-latest-update/
16:04 TR Bot; Foot gets more insane in the latest update | GamingOnLinux
16:05 Techrights-sec; +1, it needs careful consideration to avoid triggering systemd fanbois,
16:05 Techrights-sec; among other lobbyists for large multinational corporations.
16:05 schestowitz-TR; there are many REGULAR systemd apologists in Twitter stalking the hashtag and targeting people who criticise it
16:06 TR News; "A classic from #BlendoGames , a short video-game story Thirty Flights of Loving received a 9 year anniversary upgrade and it came along with a fresh #GNU #Linux port from Ethan Lee." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/thirty-flights-of-loving-gets-a-9-year-update-including-new-linux-support
16:06 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/thirty-flights-of-loving-gets-a-9-year-update-including-new-linux-support
16:06 TR Bot; Flights of Loving gets a 9 year update including new Linux support | GamingOnLinux
16:08 TR News; "The developer mentioned that if you're interested in future #GNU #Linux play-testing, game development and design related discussion you can join their Discord." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/where-birds-go-to-sleep-is-an-upcoming-narrative-adventure-with-a-striking-painted-style
16:08 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/where-birds-go-to-sleep-is-an-upcoming-narrative-adventure-with-a-striking-painted-style
16:08 TR Bot; Birds Go to Sleep is an upcoming narrative adventure with a striking painted style | GamingOnLinux
16:10 Techrights-sec; That's the kind of behavior that got it into Debian and Fedora in the first place
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16:10 schestowitz-TR; like mono ;-)
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16:16 Techrights-sec; that one too. Ad Hominem is rather cost effective and if it fails, the
16:16 Techrights-sec; large corporations did it by proxy anyway. Despite de Icaza working to
16:16 Techrights-sec; advance M$ agenda all day every day for years, there were still denialists
16:18 activelow; schestowitz-TR: i will remove all modern browsers; only gemini, lynx/links, and netsurf-gtk (if possible) will remain
16:20 schestowitz-TR; +1
16:21 schestowitz-TR; we need more people to 'rebel' like this
16:21 schestowitz-TR; and open up the physical banks
16:21 schestowitz-TR; if you can open football stadiums
16:21 schestowitz-TR; then you can open a goddamn bank
16:21 Techrights-sec; ack
16:21 activelow; the cross-compilation toolchain and firmware image for arm32 with gcc-4.7.4 is almost finished
16:22 activelow; cannot confirm yet of the aarch64 SBC i got here will boot with a 32bit arm kernel
16:22 activelow; *if
16:22 schestowitz-TR; the quality and relevance of spamnil's video is reaching the verge of the ludicrous
16:23 schestowitz-TR; I worry that writing about it or doing a video will give him more attention than he gets in a normal week
16:24 schestowitz-TR; I am increasingly suspicious that the LF fluff this week was a direct response to our IRS article, which struck a nerve
16:24 schestowitz-TR; maybe the IRS started an investigation into their status already
16:24 activelow; and i am hoping for PCC as system compiler won't break anything which cannot be repaired
16:24 schestowitz-TR; so they need to 'justify' themselves
16:24 activelow; this woul db extremely cool, if PCC was 5x-10x faster
16:25 activelow; i was thinking to support RPI3 and RPI4, although i won't use such myself
16:25 activelow; imagine this, if a 100% source based workflow then, on RPI3 or RPI4 was as powerful and fast as with a modern 8core workstation
16:26 Techrights-sec; $ gcc --version | head -n 1
16:26 Techrights-sec; gcc (Debian 11.2.0-10) 11.2.0
16:26 Techrights-sec; from Devuan
16:27 activelow; it's ok, however i reject the vendor lock-in to GNU/FSF/gcc
16:27 activelow; i've had enough when g++ hit OOM regularly
16:28 activelow; if g++ and all c++ dependencies are removed, then a RPI3 with 1GiB of RAM should suffice for a 100% source-based workflow
16:28 Techrights-sec; Speaking of complexity and job security through complexity, I have been
16:28 Techrights-sec; trying to get some data published under a CC license but the format is
16:28 Techrights-sec; well documented but so over engineered and convoluted that it has been faster
16:28 Techrights-sec; and easier to reverse engineer it. I've made no progress with the official
16:28 Techrights-sec; documentation in hours.
16:29 schestowitz-TR; I shall watch LF closely this month
16:29 schestowitz-TR; spamnil still needs to be watched for me to understand what LF is shilling
16:29 schestowitz-TR; they commandeer him
16:30 Techrights-sec; Keep ignoring him. Laughing at him will give him clicks if only out of curiosity
16:30 Techrights-sec; I have refrained from doing so and admonish others to do the same.
16:30 Techrights-sec; It's quite possible. The IRS hates FOSS oriented charities with a vengance,
16:30 Techrights-sec; according to the guy who ran LinuxFest SouthEast. However, the IRS are M$
16:30 Techrights-sec; boosters, so an investigation could go either way.
16:30 Techrights-sec; An audit would do them good though.
16:30 Techrights-sec; As you pointed out there have been no figures posted for three years now.
16:31 Techrights-sec; activelow: Is PCC still being developed?
16:32 activelow; Techrights-sec: good question. it's stable with support for C99, and OpenBSD reported success on i386 in 2007.
16:32 Techrights-sec; That's ok if it is just one person but not more...
16:32 Techrights-sec; maybe yewtube hits don't count ...
16:33 schestowitz-TR; usually I do not even click any actual video, it's merely an 'alta vista' and his RSS feed for his site
16:33 activelow; i will report my findings, first i need to downgrade from aarch64 to arm32, and gcc-4.7.4; remove all c++ which was missed
16:33 Techrights-sec; ack
16:39 TR News; #Gentoo -Based Calculate Linux 22 Released with PipeWire, Improved System Updates Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158875 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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16:39 TR News; #Games: Surviving Mars, TFC: The Fertile Crescent, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158876 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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16:40 TR Bot; Gentoo-Based Calculate Linux 22 Released with PipeWire, Improved System Updates | Tux Machines
16:41 TR Bot; Games: Surviving Mars, TFC: The Fertile Crescent, and More | Tux Machines
16:43 TR News; " #Perl Club starts to translate Japanese Perl Tutorial to English. Yuki Kimoto is one of the Perl Messengers. #PerlClub decides to write all articles English at first." http://blogs.perl.org/users/yuki_kimoto/2021/12/javascript-supported-web-scraping-using-perl-and-selenium.html #programming
16:43 TR Bot; Supported Web Scraping using Perl and Selenium | Yuki Kimoto Perl Blog [blogs.perl.org]
16:45 TR News; Recently, #tuxmachines and #techrights quit syndicating #javascript news and tips unless they're limited to and specific to #gnu #linux ... nothing personal, but #electron junk and so-called 'Web' browsers aren't something we should encourage
16:45 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158877 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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16:45 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
16:47 MinceR; XRevan86: and with correct spelling, it's pronunciation is entirely unsurprising
16:52 XRevan86; MinceR: English has a way with spelling.
16:52 XRevan86; It keeps foreign spelling as-is, but discards diacritics.
16:53 XRevan86; So if a foreign language uses digraphs (or trigraphs), English will just import them as-is.
16:53 XRevan86; But if diacritics, then it's just a good-bye.
16:53 MinceR; i thought i saw diacritics in foreign words in english
16:54 MinceR; hungarian is officially supposed to discard them from names, luckily not everyone follows the rule, so sometimes names are still recognizable
16:55 TR News; A Call for Sources and Whistleblowers From Microsofts #GitHub Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/microsoft-github-whistleblowers/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/microsoft-github-whistleblowers/
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16:56 XRevan86; MinceR: English has two norms: with diacritics in tact (piata) and without (pinata)
16:56 TR Bot; A Call for Sources and Whistleblowers From Microsofts GitHub | Techrights
16:56 MinceR; :>
16:58 XRevan86; Russian always respells. I wonder why Latin-alphabet-based languages almost never respell.
16:59 XRevan86; Even words from other Cyrillic-based languages are respelled, because otherwise the result would just be wrong.
17:00 MinceR; they wouldn't be wrong, you'd just need to know a bit from the language that word is in :>
17:01 XRevan86; MinceR: Right
17:03 XRevan86; MinceR: But then how would I type in letters like , ?
17:03 MinceR; :>
17:03 MinceR; copy/paste the whole word :>
17:05 kingoffrance; saturn is a letter? :D
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17:07 TR News; BREXIT: "It's so easy to pretend it's all about the CRAZY BRITS" - Irish MEP Clare Daly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPyYuF_CY3o #brexit #eu #uk #ireland #europe
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17:07 TR Bot; "It's so easy to pretend it's all about the CRAZY BRITS" - Irish MEP Clare Daly - YouTube
17:10 TR News; "She is a long-standing atheist, though her brother and an uncle are both Catholic priests" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clare_Daly good MEP: http://techrights.org/2021/12/07/clare-daly-on-epo/
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17:10 TR Bot; Clare Daly - Wikipedia
17:10 TR Bot; Clare Daly (GUE/NGL) Does What Every Public Official in Europe Should Have Done About EPO Shenanigans | Techrights
17:10 TR News; #ZorinOS 16 Celebrates More Than 1 Million Downloads with Lite Edition Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158878 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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17:11 TR Bot; Zorin OS 16 Celebrates More Than 1 Million Downloads with Lite Edition | Tux Machines
17:11 TR News; #ZorinOS 16 Lite Edition is Finally Here Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158879 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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17:11 TR Bot; Zorin OS 16 Lite Edition is Finally Here | Tux Machines
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17:15 schestowitz-TR; mib_2cx4w1: hi
17:20 *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@ddstkmbt93p8q.irc) has joined #techrights
17:20 schestowitz-TR; hi, DaemonFC
17:20 schestowitz-TR; welcome back to the trashcan
17:20 DaemonFC; hello
17:20 DaemonFC; I'm losing my voice.
17:20 schestowitz-TR; try to stick only to tech today
17:20 schestowitz-TR; we're being watched a lot
17:21 DaemonFC; I might just stay out in the car tomorrow.
17:21 schestowitz-TR; Lf, EPO, Github..
17:21 schestowitz-TR; we need to be seen as on topic and "professional'
17:21 DaemonFC; It's bad enough that people think every little thing is COVID these days.
17:21 schestowitz-TR; not to give them excuse to pass over
17:21 DaemonFC; I think it may have actually gotten worse than "WebMD, it's definitely cancer".
17:22 schestowitz-TR; Web'MD'
17:22 schestowitz-TR; if you want info
17:22 schestowitz-TR; better open wikipedia
17:22 schestowitz-TR; and study a bit
17:22 schestowitz-TR; no spying by insurance companues
17:22 schestowitz-TR; wikipedia is full of shit
17:22 schestowitz-TR; but it's better than random web searches
17:22 DaemonFC; Yeah, there's a lot of things wrong with Wikipedia. Corporations love it though.
17:23 DaemonFC; People who won't pay for a real encyclopedia get to read vanity articles.
17:23 DaemonFC; Like the one about Mr. Goolag supporting the guy who gave us Trump.
17:23 schestowitz-TR; ??
17:23 schestowitz-TR; mjg59 campained AGAINST Assange
17:23 schestowitz-TR; and trolls him a lot
17:24 schestowitz-TR; you got it all in reverse
17:24 schestowitz-TR; many people write wikipedia articles about themselves by proxy
17:24 schestowitz-TR; they think it'll make them look 'important'
17:24 DaemonFC; His vanity article on Wikipedia seems to imply otherwise.
17:24 schestowitz-TR; FSFE did that too
17:26 DaemonFC; I'm going to drop by CVS on the way home and take a COVID test to be on the side of caution.
17:26 schestowitz-TR; I never got tested
17:26 schestowitz-TR; never had symptoms
17:26 schestowitz-TR; if I get tested, it'll be for antibodies
17:26 DaemonFC; But whatever this is, it's incredibly mild so far. Mostly dry cough and losing my voice.
17:26 schestowitz-TR; but that's not standard PCR afaik
17:27 DaemonFC; Oh, by the time a PCR swab is positive, you've already had it for 4-5 days you know.
17:28 DaemonFC; Uncle Bill never mentions things like this.
17:28 schestowitz-TR; nor does BillBC
17:28 DaemonFC; Incubation period means you've already been spreading it for at least 1/3rd of the total time you'd have to be quarantined.
17:28 schestowitz-TR; but BillBC admitted
17:28 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/funny-pictures-12-3-21-25.jpg
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17:28 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/funny-pictures-12-3-21-25.jpg
17:28 schestowitz-TR; that two shots keep you just as infectious as none
17:28 schestowitz-TR; according to BillBC
17:28 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 8.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 198.13 average k/sec., average swarm size 254.25
17:28 schestowitz-TR; "go get the thing that leaves you just as contagious..."
17:29 MinceR; "just as infectious"?
17:29 schestowitz-TR; "then go WATCH FOOTBALL"
17:29 MinceR; citation needed
17:29 schestowitz-TR; "support the Saudi economy" (Newcastle United)
17:29 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: BillBC
17:29 DaemonFC; Buy an MPEG license, even if you don't have any of those files.
17:29 MinceR; schestowitz-TR: that is not an article.
17:29 schestowitz-TR; rianne read it out to me work by word last month
17:29 schestowitz-TR; *word by word
17:29 DaemonFC; You need it. It came with the computer. Oh, you got rid of Windows? Buy another MPEG license. It came with Windows, not the computer!
17:29 MinceR; still being infectious is not the same as being equally infectious
17:30 schestowitz-TR; they said equally
17:30 schestowitz-TR; "just as infectious"
17:30 MinceR; well, then they're probably wrong
17:30 schestowitz-TR; for people who got 2 shots this past summer
17:30 schestowitz-TR; of course they did NOT say this to discourage adoption
17:30 schestowitz-TR; but to then sell a third one
17:30 schestowitz-TR; at the end of the article
17:30 schestowitz-TR; among other things
17:31 MinceR; lol
17:31 schestowitz-TR; like pushing the same for little kids
17:31 schestowitz-TR; I'm VERY pro-vaccines
17:31 schestowitz-TR; but I started looking at this thing cynically
17:31 schestowitz-TR; MAGATRON and all
17:31 schestowitz-TR; *MEGATRON
17:31 schestowitz-TR; not MAGA
17:31 schestowitz-TR; no xe/xi
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17:31 schestowitz-TR; it's like they market and brand it now
17:31 schestowitz-TR; for fear
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17:32 schestowitz-TR; with scarier pictures/illustrations
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17:32 schestowitz-TR; next variant will be pictured holding two rifles and suicide vest
17:32 MinceR; but will it have a logo, a website and merchandise?
17:32 schestowitz-TR; hahaha!
17:33 schestowitz-TR; "got the jab, got the tshit"\
17:33 SomeH4x0r; yes, I doubt there are good intentions
17:34 schestowitz; MinceR: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/20-years-red-hat-product-security-rise-branded-exploits
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17:34 TR Bot; 20 years of Red Hat Product Security: The rise of branded exploits (Part 2)
17:34 schestowitz; from yesterday
17:34 schestowitz; IBM Hat:
17:34 schestowitz; "
17:34 schestowitz; In part 1 of this story we traced the history of Red Hat Product Security from its inception in 2001 through to its shift into the Customer Experience and Engagement (CEE) team in 2013.
17:34 schestowitz; But that was just the beginningsecurity was always important, of course, but it was about to become front-page news.
17:34 schestowitz; "
17:34 schestowitz; I've been saying this for a decade ;-)
17:34 schestowitz; "
17:34 schestowitz; 2014 saw the rise of "branded" vulnerabilities security issues that were given memorable names and logos, and that were accompanied by big splashy announcements.
17:34 schestowitz; The purpose of this was reportedly to increase public awareness of these issues, with the hope that increased attention would result in faster fixes.
17:34 schestowitz; Of course, increased awareness also led to increased media coverage, which, in turn, led to more public awareness. While these branded security issues were serious, the widespread attention tended to result in somewhat overblown panic and drama.
17:34 schestowitz; There were two major branded vulnerabilities that came to light in 2014, Heartbleed and Shellshock.
17:34 schestowitz; "
17:35 schestowitz; exactly!!
17:35 schestowitz; and who promoted these?
17:35 schestowitz; Microsoft hacks
17:35 schestowitz; inc. 'former' staff
17:35 schestowitz; we even showed the connections
17:35 schestowitz; funny how Windows bugs almost never have logos and sites and brand
17:37 TR News; #ProprietarySoftware and #Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158880 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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17:37 TR Bot; Proprietary Software and Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
17:37 DaemonFC; cytoMAGAlovirus
17:38 TR News; #Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158881 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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17:38 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
17:38 schestowitz-TR; the next variant will be a Cyclope multi-headed hydra
17:38 schestowitz-TR; donning a cell-killing minigun
17:39 schestowitz-TR; not that fluffy hairy thing they floated in 2019
17:39 schestowitz-TR; looking like a pompon
17:39 schestowitz-TR; that was a "marketing" failure
17:40 immibis; congressional panel just confirmed they can't allow bitcoin to replace the US dollar as global reserve currency
17:40 schestowitz-TR; obviously
17:40 schestowitz-TR; how many in that panel take corporate bribes in BTC?
17:40 schestowitz-TR; ^_^
17:40 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, 1 in 5 articles on WGN is about the MAGA virus.
17:40 DaemonFC; Many of those are "Omicron" MAGA virus.
17:40 schestowitz-TR; good
17:40 schestowitz-TR; more sponsorship money
17:41 schestowitz-TR; it's a hot seller
17:41 schestowitz-TR; what else sells now?
17:41 schestowitz-TR; discounted food on cyber monday?
17:41 MinceR; 08 183302 < schestowitz-TR> "got the jab, got the tshit"\
17:41 schestowitz-TR; also the profit margins
17:41 MinceR; not for the "jab", for the pathogen itself
17:41 schestowitz-TR; 50 cents to make
17:41 schestowitz-TR; $25 dollars a dose
17:41 schestowitz-TR; "niceeeee..."
17:41 MinceR; "got infected, got the t-shirt"
17:41 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: "my white cells are strong!"
17:42 schestowitz-TR; "my allowcells"
17:42 MinceR; :)
17:42 DaemonFC; No, no, you're not thinking bigly enough Roy. It's the Finest vaccine in the History of the world.
17:43 DaemonFC; 50 cents going for $25 would never give the stock market a raging hard-on.
17:43 DaemonFC; Oh I'm sorry, make investors become tumescent with anticipation.
17:43 DaemonFC; Make it $100. The government is paying. They never see the bill directly.
17:43 schestowitz-TR; that's patents
17:43 schestowitz-TR; tyhe media rarely mentions the patents
17:43 schestowitz-TR; and who funded the R&D
17:43 schestowitz-TR; (taxpayers mostly)
17:44 schestowitz-TR; [17:43] Make it $100. The government is paying. They never see the bill directly.
17:44 schestowitz-TR; PRe-paid
17:44 schestowitz-TR; who pays the bill
17:44 schestowitz-TR; ?
17:44 schestowitz-TR; not 'the bill'
17:44 schestowitz-TR; but you
17:44 schestowitz; https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt
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17:44 TR Bot; United States Government Debt | 2021 Data | 2022 Forecast | 1942-2020 Historical
17:44 schestowitz; "Government Debt in the United States increased to 28908765 USD Million in October from 28428919 USD Million in September of 2021."
17:44 schestowitz; "pump up tje volume!!"
17:44 schestowitz; "raise da roooof"
17:44 schestowitz; debt ceiling
17:45 schestowitz; break dat f'ing ceiling
17:45 schestowitz; until rapture comes
17:45 schestowitz; BTW, US provoking CHina now
17:45 schestowitz; with the Olympic Games as a spiel
17:45 schestowitz; weaponising IOC mpolitically
17:45 schestowitz; need SOMEONE tom blame
17:45 schestowitz; not the "Economy"
17:45 schestowitz; Wall Street GOOD
17:45 schestowitz; China BSD
17:45 schestowitz; BAD
17:45 schestowitz; economy GREAT!
17:46 schestowitz; Never been better
17:46 XRevan86; https://lbry.tv/@ElectroBOOM:9/how-wrong-is-veritasium-a-lamp-and-power:b
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17:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: lbry.tv | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://lbry.tv/@ElectroBOOM:9/how-wrong-is-veritasium-a-lamp-and-power:b
17:46 TR Bot; How Wrong Is VERITASIUM? A Lamp and Power Line Story
17:46 schestowitz; "LOOK, WALL STREET!'
17:46 schestowitz; Don't look for people living in cars and tent cities"
17:46 schestowitz; "we don't count them"
17:46 schestowitz; "they're BUMS"
17:47 MinceR; yeah, don't acknowledge taiwan, because then you'd be provoking red china :>
17:48 TR News; Since #biden (ism) 'rose to power' earlier this year US #debt continues to soar... by over a TRILLION dollars. In LESS THAN A YEAR. #corporatemedia says economy "NEVER BEEN BETTER" (citing the index of the plunderers, Wall Street) https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt
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17:48 MinceR; avoiding saying things a bunch of old stalinists don't like is of utmost importance.
17:48 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: twaiwan is a schtick
17:48 schestowitz-TR; same for hk
17:49 MinceR; and red china isn't?
17:49 schestowitz-TR; but they do deserve theior autonomy
17:49 schestowitz-TR; so does diego garcia
17:49 schestowitz-TR; China claims US hypocrisy
17:49 schestowitz-TR; and sadly they do have substance in that claim
17:49 schestowitz-TR; they're both potzes
17:50 schestowitz-TR; and the US ignores international courts
17:50 schestowitz-TR; as does China (and Russia)
17:50 schestowitz-TR; They're "too big to obey"
17:50 schestowitz-TR; I think only China is self-sufficient
17:50 schestowitz-TR; maybe Russia also
17:50 schestowitz-TR; US became too dependent on imports, except for foods and military
17:51 MinceR; we'll find out, i guess
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17:51 schestowitz-TR; so US on its own is just a bunch of gun fanatics eating corn and flying missiles, lobbing nukes at countries
17:51 schestowitz-TR; china can make everything on its own
17:51 schestowitz-TR; even planes
17:51 schestowitz-TR; US planes assemble parts made overseas
17:51 MinceR; they can't design stuff right, though
17:51 schestowitz-TR; give them time
17:52 schestowitz-TR; they always catch up
17:52 schestowitz-TR; as Japan did
17:52 MinceR; and with xi at the wheel, they never will
17:52 MinceR; japan has a very different mentality
17:52 schestowitz-TR; when it copied cameras and such from Europe
17:52 schestowitz-TR; then cars
17:52 schestowitz-TR; Japan is slave of the US
17:52 schestowitz-TR; since ww2
17:52 schestowitz-TR; lots of us military bases with nukes
17:52 MinceR; the japanese were willing to improve themselves and work had to prove they can be better than their foreigner competitors
17:52 schestowitz-TR; not japan's own
17:53 MinceR; red china believes in totalitarian oppression and micromanagement
17:53 MinceR; and relying totally on selling the products of slave labor
17:53 schestowitz-TR; yes
17:53 MinceR; that's not how you develop technological know-how
17:53 schestowitz-TR; and US exploits that sweatshop mentality
17:53 MinceR; xi jinping already hinted he's about to double down on micromanagement
17:53 schestowitz-TR; as do we (uk/europe)
17:53 schestowitz-TR; when did you last buy locally-produced xmas decos?
17:53 MinceR; which will doom their economy even if the real estate bubble doesn't
17:54 MinceR; i haven't bought xmas decos in ages
17:54 schestowitz-TR; neither have we
17:54 schestowitz-TR; buy once
17:54 schestowitz-TR; it should last decades
17:54 MinceR; we haven't even bought a tree in years
17:54 schestowitz-TR; our xmas trees, the cheap ones, barely have lights working
17:54 schestowitz-TR; half are dead already
17:54 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: plastic 'tree'
17:54 schestowitz-TR; oil residue 'tree'
17:55 MinceR; we never had plastic "trees"
17:55 MinceR; or even electric lights for the tree
17:55 schestowitz-TR; so how can you flaunt your pious self to thy neighbour?
17:55 MinceR; i can't
17:55 TR News; Links 8/12/2021: #ZorinOS 16 Milestone and Calculate Linux 22 Released; Kubernetes 1.23 Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/zorin-os-16-milestone/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/zorin-os-16-milestone/
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17:55 TR Bot; Links 8/12/2021: Zorin OS 16 Milestone and Calculate Linux 22 Released; Kubernetes 1.23 | Techrights
17:55 MinceR; i don't care about my neighbors
17:56 schestowitz-TR; it is mutual
17:56 MinceR; i know
17:56 TR News; #LoRa expansion boards work with Raspberry Pi SBC and Raspberry Pi Pico board (Crowdfunding) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158882 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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17:56 TR Bot; LoRa expansion boards work with Raspberry Pi SBC and Raspberry Pi Pico board (Crowdfunding) | Tux Machines
17:56 MinceR; the barbarian that drills holes all day makes it clearly
17:56 MinceR; so does the barbarian that abandoned their tiny dog which barks all day
17:56 MinceR; s/rly/r/
17:56 schestowitz-TR; some drills are long enough to come through to the other side
17:56 schestowitz-TR; like the ones openreach brought
17:57 schestowitz-TR; to insert the fibreoptic cable
17:57 schestowitz-TR; we have a router for it all set up
17:57 schestowitz-TR; it's not activated yet
17:57 schestowitz-TR; maybe in 1-2 years
17:57 schestowitz-TR; drill about half a meter long
17:57 TR News; #Krita 4 splash screen Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158883 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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17:58 TR Bot; Krita 4 splash screen | Tux Machines
17:59 DaemonFC; Yeah, fuck China.
17:59 DaemonFC; The West turned them into a threat by funding all of this.
17:59 DaemonFC; Now they're all horrified about this disaster, which took all of about 20 years.
18:00 DaemonFC; China made a peaceful solution impossible with what they did to Hong Kong.
18:01 schestowitz-TR; iirc, that started with nixon
18:01 schestowitz-TR; i.e. GOP
18:01 schestowitz-TR; before it went 'fullKKK'
18:01 DaemonFC; Clinton normalized trade relations with them on the way out the door.
18:01 schestowitz-TR; it predated Clinton
18:01 schestowitz-TR; by a lot
18:01 DaemonFC; Some of it did.
18:01 schestowitz-TR; selective history and timelines
18:01 DaemonFC; The framework for it did.
18:01 schestowitz-TR; your dad had a good job back then
18:02 schestowitz-TR; manufacturing and designing
18:02 DaemonFC; So did I for a while.
18:02 schestowitz-TR; now it's warehouse work
18:02 schestowitz-TR; amazon
18:02 DaemonFC; We lost some of that to Canada too.
18:02 DaemonFC; I asked Stride Rite why they were going to pack up and leave.
18:02 DaemonFC; They said the healthcare plan was too expensive and they could just use NAFTA to go offload their costs onto Canadian taxpayers.
18:03 schestowitz-TR; [15:12] NEWS #CommonDreams 'I'm Asking You To Help': Amazon Employee Describes 'Sheer Brutality' of Work to Senators https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/12/07/im-asking-you-help-amazon-employee-describes-sheer-brutality-work-senators
18:03 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/12/07/im-asking-you-help-amazon-employee-describes-sheer-brutality-work-senators
18:03 TR Bot; 'I'm Asking You To Help': Amazon Employee Describes 'Sheer Brutality' of Work to Senators
18:03 schestowitz-TR; we had amazon leaks before
18:03 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Amazon
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18:03 TR Bot; Amazon - Techrights
18:03 schestowitz; "what do you do for a living?"
18:03 schestowitz; "I stock shelves"
18:04 schestowitz; "I unpack containers"
18:04 DaemonFC; So these companies take advantage of Canada to use them for currency arbitrage and "free" healthcare that someone else pays for to get their salaries down.
18:04 schestowitz; "I answer the phone"
18:04 schestowitz; "service" 'economy'
18:04 DaemonFC; "What do you do?"
18:04 MinceR; (cat) (audio) https://i.imgur.com/9KwGBSN.mp4
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18:04 Alternative link; Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/9KwGBSN.mp4
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18:04 TR News; #LibreOffice Base Guide 7.2 has been released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158884 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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18:04 TR Bot; LibreOffice Base Guide 7.2 has been released | Tux Machines
18:04 DaemonFC; Doctor: "Oh I charge $1,000 to tell a person with bacterial pneumonia it's probably viral and come back and pay me again if they're alive in a week."
18:05 schestowitz; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kikzjTfos0s&feature=youtu.be&t=28
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18:05 TR Bot; Bullsh*t Jobs | David Graeber | RSA Replay - YouTube
18:05 DaemonFC; "I can't imagine why people just wait until they're so sick the ER has to admit them."
18:05 DaemonFC; Holding out in case it gets better and they can avoid some useless expensive doctor visit.
18:05 DaemonFC; It has a logic to it, inside of this corrupt and insane system.
18:06 DaemonFC; schestowitz, Mom was talking about all the silver they were taking to deal with this respiratory crap they have going on in their house.
18:06 DaemonFC; She says that others she knows are hospitalized and on oxygen.
18:07 DaemonFC; They told one of them that if he needs more than 6 liters, they have to transport him to another city.
18:07 DaemonFC; But it's not COVID!
18:07 DaemonFC; Nobody who gets it tests positive for COVID, and now it's going through her church too.
18:07 DaemonFC; So we definitely have something else going on here that's worse than COVID, and the "noise" only talks about MAGAvirus.
18:08 *activelow remembers
18:08 DaemonFC; schestowitz, My packages arrived.
18:08 DaemonFC; Now I don't have to worry about that getting stolen if it takes a while to get a COVID test.
18:08 activelow; often it is blood circulation issues involved, thrombosis, when oxygenation isn't the first and only adviseable treatment
18:09 TR News; 6 Ways #elementaryOS Is Perfect for Digital Minimalists Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158885 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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18:09 TR Bot; 6 Ways elementary OS Is Perfect for Digital Minimalists | Tux Machines
18:09 DaemonFC; schestowitz, I'm drinking hot green tea with honey.
18:09 DaemonFC; Mandy can't get enough of it.
18:09 DaemonFC; But it helps with the throat and I can at least speak a little again if I don't overdo it.
18:09 DaemonFC; I sound like the fucking Wishmaster.
18:09 schestowitz-TR; lol
18:10 DaemonFC; "I see a wrongfully accused man who would like to make his attorney pay for the suffering that he has caused!"
18:10 schestowitz-TR; except you cannot fulfill anything
18:10 DaemonFC; "I believe you said that you wanted to see him go fuck himself....mmmmm....wish granted."
18:10 DaemonFC; MinceR, ^
18:11 DaemonFC; Well, at least there's an upside to having a cold.
18:11 DaemonFC; I can amuse myself all day with this.
18:11 TR News; "I have ended up being rather overwhelmed at work toward the end of the year and my personal projects, including Gemini, have taken a backseat. Just wanted to provide some reassurance that I haven't disappeared into the aether again and I still hope to make some more spec updates before the end of the year." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007660.html
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18:11 TR Bot; Still alive...
18:12 TR News; Zorin OS 16 Lite is a Classy Distro for Low-End PCs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158878#comment-32005
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18:12 TR Bot; Zorin OS 16 Celebrates More Than 1 Million Downloads with Lite Edition | Tux Machines
18:12 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: it's COLD-19
18:13 MinceR; fishmonster!
18:13 schestowitz-TR; COVID On Lower Density
18:13 schestowitz-TR; My thermometer tested me positive for cold
18:14 schestowitz-TR; because the reading was HIGH1
18:14 schestowitz-TR; Medics
18:14 *activelow drinks another glas of water with some vitamin-C
18:14 schestowitz-TR; they say you have a cold
18:14 schestowitz-TR; when your body is too hot
18:15 schestowitz-TR; maybe when I freeze to death here, no heating on.. the death cert will say, "died from heat"
18:15 DaemonFC; Well, I'm sure it got the name because it gives you the chills.
18:16 schestowitz-TR; cold sweat
18:16 schestowitz-TR; humans have not evolved enough
18:16 schestowitz-TR; body overheats in the cold
18:16 schestowitz-TR; body sweats
18:16 schestowitz-TR; then flushes
18:17 schestowitz-TR; "intelligent design"
18:17 MinceR; i thought it got the name because people are more likely to get it when it's cold
18:17 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: you can get a heat stroke when it's hot
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18:20 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I saw a graph that says as of October, people vaccinated with the Pfizer shot were 12 times less likely to die of COVID. Well, I mean, if that's even true, there's hardly a risk of death to people under 45.
18:20 activelow; with or without vaccination
18:20 DaemonFC; That much hasn't changed. It's like, you know, 1 in 1000 really, and that was a statistic from before they knew how to treat it.
18:21 DaemonFC; So even that's out of date.
18:21 activelow; today it was reported those who weren't "boostered" are accounted for as "unvaccinated" too, even when they got the fister miracle tincture injected
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18:22 DaemonFC; I knew the effort to contain it was a sham last year, early last year, like April.
18:22 activelow; contain what? the propaganda fake news?
18:22 DaemonFC; I called the Health Department in Lake County, IL, and gave them the name of a woman who tested positive and then kept coming back into Walmart to buy like 2 things and spend several hours in the store talking to people without her mask on.
18:23 TR News; Linux Mint 20.3 beta being tested, is its release imminent? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158530#comment-32006
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18:23 TR Bot; Linux Mint 20.3 Arriving Soon with a Surprise New App | Tux Machines
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18:23 DaemonFC; Then the person I spoke to said they weren't going to do anything about it because "She may not have anyone else to buy her groceries.".
18:23 DaemonFC; They don't take it seriously and never have.
18:23 DaemonFC; But when some restaurants opened back up, they went out there and wrote "nuisance" tickets.
18:23 TR News; #Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158886 # #Linux #TuxMachines
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18:23 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
18:24 DaemonFC; It's a giant power grab, and they get to fine small business owners, and drive them under, as a form of harassment for having signs out last election for the Republican Party.
18:26 DaemonFC; It's a never ending power grab by the left.
18:26 DaemonFC; Now that they see they can scare the hell out of the people who vote for them and use them as muscle to help them commit atrocities, selectively, against everyone else.
18:27 DaemonFC; The emergency never ends.
18:27 schestowitz-TR; german stadiums are empty again
18:27 schestowitz-TR; no spectators
18:27 schestowitz-TR; so 2+ years later we're still not solving the problem :/
18:27 DaemonFC; I'll probably vote Republican for the governor next year.
18:27 schestowitz-TR; well, I could stay home longer I guess, I work from home
18:28 DaemonFC; He won't be powerful enough to do much of anything, but he can cancel the fake emergency that is completely unconstitutional that the statute does not even allow for.
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18:29 DaemonFC; The Illinois Constitution guarantees the rule of law, and the Illinois Emergency Management Act, which claims the governor can respond to emergencies by suspending laws (unconstitutional) even says he can only do it for 30 days without the legislature stepping in.
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18:30 DaemonFC; It's not real. They made it up. There is no underpinning for this because either it's unconstitutional to suspend laws, or the emergency has been going on for over a year and a half over the same reason he gave initially, which allows for 30 days.
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18:31 DaemonFC; If we had any real judges in this state, they'd have overturned it already, so the state is operating without a constitution, and anything the legislature does is in an "advisory role".
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18:31 DaemonFC; They can pass anything they want, and due to "emergency", the governor can suspend it indefinitely so that it never takes effect.
18:31 DaemonFC; All over a cold.
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18:32 schestowitz-TR; [14:07] [Notice] -altlink_9ac to #boycottnovell-social- Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/12/07/trump-appointed-judge-suspends-bidens-vaccine-mandate-federal-contractors
18:32 DaemonFC; Abortions have been deemed "essential healthcare". Dentistry is "not important".
18:32 TR Bot; Trump-Appointed Judge Suspends Biden's Vaccine Mandate for Federal Contractors
18:32 DaemonFC; From the party that brought you infanticide comes here, have your teeth rot out!
18:32 schestowitz-TR; it's not "a cold\
18:32 schestowitz-TR; it's far worse
18:32 schestowitz-TR; but you could argue the response was ill-advised
18:33 DaemonFC; This is just absolutely hysterical on the part of the left.
18:33 DaemonFC; No state has passed a total abortion ban.
18:33 DaemonFC; Not even close.
18:34 DaemonFC; They just want to be able to do it all the way up to 9 months without getting in any trouble for it because they're sick.
18:34 DaemonFC; If you gave them another inch, they'd toss their baby into a furnace as well.
18:34 schestowitz-TR; rianne reads billbc now
18:34 schestowitz-TR; she says
18:35 schestowitz-TR; "more masks, more home working"
18:35 schestowitz-TR; which I like
18:35 DaemonFC; If the Supreme Court wanted Roe to be settled law, they wouldn't have built it up on nonsense that doesn't exist in our constitution.
18:35 schestowitz-TR; more job opportunitiesfor geeks in their home office
18:35 schestowitz-TR; fewer maskless covidiots out there
18:35 schestowitz-TR; also, the lockdowns have been most effective at reducing cases and deaths
18:35 kingoffrance; DaemonFC, DaemonFC DaemonFC its all about who's definition "rule of law" https://www.un.org/ruleoflaw/what-is-the-rule-of-law/ long ago it meant maxims "spirit of law" roughly.
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18:35 TR Bot; What is the Rule of Law - United Nations and the Rule of Law
18:36 schestowitz-TR; to just a handful of deaths per day
18:36 kingoffrance; thats at least 3 right there
18:36 schestowitz-TR; summer 2020
18:36 schestowitz-TR; with 2021 summer of 'freedom day' TEN TIMES more deaths
18:36 DaemonFC; Chicago alone aborts over 10,000 babies per year now that the state pays for most of them.
18:36 DaemonFC; If you add in the rest of the state, that's more people than die of COVID.
18:37 DaemonFC; The Democrats have no plan to give poor black people in the city "prosperity". Just more abortions. I saw that, you know, I mean, if they wanted to help they could help by cutting the budget.
18:37 TR News; Stable Kernels: 5.15.7, 5.10.84, 5.4.164, 4.19.220, 4.14.257, 4.9.292, and 4.4.294 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158887 #GPL #Linux #TuxMachines
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18:37 TR Bot; Stable Kernels: 5.15.7, 5.10.84, 5.4.164, 4.19.220, 4.14.257, 4.9.292, and 4.4.294 | Tux Machines
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18:38 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/0nvf8mrb7bd61.png
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18:38 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/0nvf8mrb7bd61.png
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18:38 DaemonFC; Chicago budgets a lot of money to take their homes and give them to rich white liberals instead, and put in a Whole Foods.
18:38 DaemonFC; Mr. Goolag would even move in and see nothing wrong about that, probably.
18:39 DaemonFC; If you took that money and put it into a jobs program, or property tax relief for people who can't afford the normal rate, they could stay there and live better.
18:40 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Was it you that said the goal is to just drive the crime and poverty somewhere the Goolag clones wouldn't need to look at it was the goal?
18:41 DaemonFC; I've lived exactly in that area. Not for long, but long enough to see that 99% of the people there were decent. But there's this horrible scourge that the police and courts have given up on doing anything about.
18:42 DaemonFC; So they're often the victim because, you know, the attitude of the entitled left is such that, Microsoft was literally about to roll out a Maps program with Avoid Ghetto.
18:42 DaemonFC; They still have the patent, btw.
18:42 DaemonFC; https://www.syracuse.com/news/2012/01/microsoft_avoid_ghetto_app_windows_phone.html
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18:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: syracuse.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.syracuse.com/news/2012/01/microsoft_avoid_ghetto_app_windows_phone.html
18:42 TR Bot; 'avoid ghetto' app for smartphones' GPS navigation stirs controversy - syracuse.com
18:43 SomeH4x0r; I don't think abortions are counted as deaths
18:43 DaemonFC; All of 9 years ago....ignore that. They're woke now.
18:44 DaemonFC; "If they choose to include rape stats in their route recommendations, they may be arming ladies with some extra information."
18:45 SomeH4x0r; as they don't consider fetus to be a proper human
18:45 DaemonFC; I wonder if that would have any effect or if the rapists would just get on the L and go somewhere else in the city instead.
18:47 DaemonFC; I was talking to John at one point.
18:47 DaemonFC; I said "All of the crime happens near the red line stops up here.".
18:47 DaemonFC; He said, "Yeah, it picks up all the criminals on the south side and it brings them up here to us.".
18:48 DaemonFC; So we had crazy people stabbing senior citizens with screwdrivers and setting themselves on fire with gasoline on the train.
18:48 DaemonFC; It was a pretty messed up place before Mayor Beetlejuice.
18:49 TR News; Same 'Linux' Foundation which shills #WSL for #microsoft ... https://www.linux.com/featured/linux-as-a-screensaver-for-windows-the-gift-of-open-source-games-and-sboms-for-the-holidays/
18:49 TR Bot; as a Screensaver for Windows: The Gift of Open Source Games and SBOMs for the Holidays - Linux.com
18:52 TR News; #EasyOS : Why ISO was retired https://bkhome.org/news/202112/why-iso-was-retired.html #gnu #linux
=> ↺ https://bkhome.org/news/202112/why-iso-was-retired.html
18:52 TR Bot; Why ISO was retired
18:52 SomeH4x0r; ISO as in what?
18:53 SomeH4x0r; oh, I see
18:53 DaemonFC; The ISO is nearly irrelevant at this point.
18:54 DaemonFC; There was once a point in time where they were an actual standards body with lack of anything better.
18:54 TR News; Progress of #Pegasus investigations around the world https://internetfreedom.in/progress_of_pegasus_investigations/ #internetfreedom #internet
=> ↺ https://internetfreedom.in/progress_of_pegasus_investigations/
18:54 Alternative link; Cloudflare: internetfreedom.in | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://internetfreedom.in/progress_of_pegasus_investigations/
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://internetfreedom.in/progress_of_pegasus_investigations/
18:54 TR Bot; Progress of Pegasus investigations around the world
18:54 SomeH4x0r; > optical drives are rapidly receeding into history | are they?
18:55 DaemonFC; Yes.
18:55 DaemonFC; Most laptops don't have one anymore.
18:55 SomeH4x0r; manufacturers fault
18:55 DaemonFC; Which is fine. External USB ones aren't a huge deal if they break because you can throw it out without having a broken drive inside the laptop, and they cost $30-40.
18:56 SomeH4x0r; USB ports can break as well. Including by means like USB killer.
18:57 schestowitz; https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-announces-tools-to-measure-browser-performance-on-android-and-linux/
18:57 TR Bot; Microsoft announces tools to measure browser performance on Android and Linux - Neowin
18:57 schestowitz; ??
18:58 psydroid2; total control
19:01 SomeH4x0r; I don't like to "adapt" to "progress". It is just an annoyance.
19:01 TR News; Godot Engine - Release candidate: Godot 3.4.1 RC 2 https://godotengine.org/article/release-candidate-godot-3-4-1-rc-2 #godotengine #games #gnu #linux
=> ↺ https://godotengine.org/article/release-candidate-godot-3-4-1-rc-2
19:01 Alternative link; Cloudflare: godotengine.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://godotengine.org/article/release-candidate-godot-3-4-1-rc-2
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19:01 TR Bot; Godot Engine - Release candidate: Godot 3.4.1 RC 2
19:02 MinceR; if(browser == "Edge") score *= 2;
19:02 SomeH4x0r; I only blame ones who build computers for the absence of CD drives
19:02 MinceR; i have a USB DVD writer :>
19:03 schestowitz; MinceR: I have a USB writert
19:03 schestowitz; RW even
19:03 schestowitz; limitless
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19:04 schestowitz; some pmp's have a usb witer tyoo
19:04 SomeH4x0r; This decade-old laptop is enough. No real reason to buy anything else.
19:04 schestowitz; e.g. to delete songs ;-)
19:05 schestowitz; SomeH4x0r: donchu support de economyyy?
19:05 MinceR; donchu know who i am?!
19:06 schestowitz; santa is ready to make you ANOTHER lapto
19:06 schestowitz; don't be "spoilsport"
19:06 SomeH4x0r; got some new computer at later point (which I rarely use), because school started enforcing incompatible stuff after a lockdown
19:06 schestowitz; go out and cosume
19:06 schestowitz; enjoy the "shopping experience"
19:06 schestowitz; with aura and ambiance and stuff
19:06 MinceR; santa casts Polymorph Any Objects, and you are now a laptop
19:06 MinceR; s/cts/ct/
19:08 psydroid2; I have a pile of DVD drives I took out of my systems
19:09 DaemonFC; donchu know who i am?!
19:09 DaemonFC; "I'm the guy who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons!"
19:09 DaemonFC; cough cough cough
19:09 MinceR; lol
19:09 TR News; #ZorinOS 16 Lite Gives Old PCs a Beautiful, Classy Makeover https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Cl5qXPY9OLk #gnu #linux
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Cl5qXPY9OLk
19:09 TR Bot; Zorin OS 16 Lite Gives Old PCs a Beautiful, Classy Makeover [Review] - Invidious
19:10 DaemonFC; I'm now feeling sapped of energy even though I just woke up a couple of hours ago.
19:10 DaemonFC; This isn't going in the right direction.
19:12 psydroid2; Microsoft should write "billions" of applications for Windows and stop trying to port their crapware to other operating systems
19:12 DaemonFC; Most of those applications for Windows are crap.
19:12 schestowitz-TR; psydroid2: or buy a million game studios
19:12 DaemonFC; If Wine just targets the few important ones, that's fine.
19:13 psydroid2; They could write more of them and leave us alone
19:13 TR News; "Only that, at the time, there were a lot of automation tasks and there was this new shiny programming language, Perl" https://raku-advent.blog/2021/12/08/day-8-practice-on-advent-of-code/ #perl #rakulang #programming
=> ↺ https://raku-advent.blog/2021/12/08/day-8-practice-on-advent-of-code/
19:13 TR Bot; Day 8 Practice on Advent of Code Raku Advent Calendar
19:13 psydroid2; schestowitz-TR, that too, especially now that PC gaming is in decline
19:13 DaemonFC; There's at least several new Windows APIs every couple of weeks added to Wine, so on the whole, things start working more and more as a natural consequence of that.
19:13 DaemonFC; You add some to get something working, turns out it helps other stuff run too.
19:14 DaemonFC; It's not like Windows is some sort of ascendant operating system that's undergoing rapid development.
19:14 DaemonFC; Almost all of the APIs that are going to exist are there already, and Microsoft is continuing to neglect it terribly with Windows "11".
19:15 psydroid2; Wine is already a better Windows than Windows itself, because it gets out of the way and just runs the applications you need and not hundreds of unnecessary services (or slaves)
19:15 TR News; Access Now to Telegram: protect the rights of 500 million people - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/telegram-protect-the-rights-of-500-million-people/ #accessnow should know #telegram is #ProprietarySoftware and considered unsafe. Recommend better things...?
=> ↺ https://www.accessnow.org/telegram-protect-the-rights-of-500-million-people/
19:15 Alternative link; Cloudflare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/telegram-protect-the-rights-of-500-million-people/
19:15 TR Bot; Access Now to Telegram: protect the rights of 500 million people - Access Now
19:15 schestowitz-TR; psydroid2: Microsoft should but MSFT
19:15 schestowitz-TR; for $5,000 billion
19:15 schestowitz-TR; to increase its market cap
19:15 schestowitz-TR; and pose to investors
19:15 schestowitz-TR; *buy
19:16 DaemonFC; More effort is going into Wine lately to convert everything to PE to look to applications that closely inspect the environment like a real Windows installation than adding APIs.
19:16 DaemonFC; That's kind of telling, you know, at what stage Wine development has reached.
19:17 DaemonFC; New APIs are less important than quacking like a duck when you have some anti-cheat program running or something.
19:18 SomeH4x0r; they say "anti-cheat", while in fact it is a rootkit, they just found a "legal" excuse
19:19 psydroid2; Vista 11 has many problems and very little uptake and Vista 10 is more or less set in stone, so Wine has plenty of time to catch up, if there even is any catching up left to do
19:19 psydroid2; yes
19:19 DaemonFC; Windows 10 will remain on most computers that run Windows for years.
19:19 psydroid2; anti-cheat = anti-consumer
19:19 psydroid2; malware
19:19 DaemonFC; The only real news coming out about Windows 11 is how Microsoft managed to bungle so many things that settled down in Windows 10.
19:20 DaemonFC; The marketing budget is spent and the real story unfolds.
19:20 TR News; "This was not the year of the Linux Desktop. Weve been slacking on the mailbag, so we go on a feedback frenzy and answer some hard questions about desktop Linux." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/146932/desktop-burnout-linux-unplugged-435/
=> ↺ https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/146932/desktop-burnout-linux-unplugged-435/
19:20 Alternative link; Cloudflare: jupiterbroadcasting.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/146932/desktop-burnout-linux-unplugged-435/
19:20 TR Bot; Desktop Burnout | LINUX Unplugged 435 | Jupiter Broadcasting
19:20 DaemonFC; No longer about blue ice cream, but about BIOS hacks for DRM to work and broken process schedulers, and broken file management.
19:20 DaemonFC; Edge becoming a bigger pest, which they probably will sabotage Windows 10 with too.
19:20 DaemonFC; For uniformity.
19:21 TR News; #Walmart lets orders to PO Boxes go through, then sends them to FedEx, which cant put anything in a PO Box. - BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/12/08/walmart-lets-orders-to-po-boxes-go-through-then-sends-them-to-fedex-which-cant-put-anything-in-a-po-box/ #baronhk | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/12/08/#latest
=> ↺ https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/12/08/walmart-lets-orders-to-po-boxes-go-through-then-sends-them-to-fedex-which-cant-put-anything-in-a-po-box/
=> ↺ http://schestowitz.com/2021/12/08/#latest
19:21 TR Bot; Walmart lets orders to PO Boxes go through, then sends them to FedEx, which cant put anything in a PO Box. BaronHK's Rants
19:21 TR Bot; Social Control Media Posts
19:21 SomeH4x0r; was World of Warcraft (released in 2004, developed since at least 1999) the first multiplayer game with such spyware (iirc EFF said itOC is a "new feature" back then)? Or it was even earlier?
19:21 psydroid2; Microsoft has become the worst of IBM and DEC and there is nothing but going down for them to do
19:21 SomeH4x0r; *said it is
19:22 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I found this.
19:22 DaemonFC; I remember a President named Obama
19:22 DaemonFC; Who rid us of that pesky Osama
19:22 DaemonFC; But the backlash was strong
19:22 DaemonFC; And we got Trump, which was wrong!
19:22 DaemonFC; So now millennials have to live with their momma
19:23 DaemonFC; Yes, you get $15 an hour, and the Democrats managed to cause so much inflation that it's only worth $7.25.
19:23 DaemonFC; Enjoy!
19:23 DaemonFC; -Biden
19:23 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, The Catholics posted a housekeeper job where mom used to work.
19:24 DaemonFC; The top line read "Starts at $12-15 an hour.".
19:24 DaemonFC; Then in the body of the listing, it says "Starts at $10 an hour.".
19:24 DaemonFC; So I asked mom about this.
19:25 DaemonFC; She said the boss said they have a $3,000 sign-on bonus for nurses, "but we don't pay it unless they mention it, and most don't notice it at all".
19:25 DaemonFC; "Why can't we get any help?" Meanwhile, all the other places are doing $10,000 bonuses, $20,000 bonuses.
19:26 DaemonFC; In Indiana that's a lot. You can get that sign-on bonus and it's enough for a 20-50% down payment on a house, unless you apply for a Catholic facility that only offers $3k and makes you go out of your way to notice it in size 1 font.
19:26 DaemonFC; So there's a bunch of people who start there, don't get any bonus, and the place just keeps it.
19:30 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 10.11 k/sec., IPFS upstream 117.35 average k/sec., average swarm size 254.21
19:36 TR News; #MicrosoftTim keeps pushing #RustLang for #Linux ; says a lot who stands to benefit from the move (clue: the company that owns and controls and occasionally manipulates #GitHub )
19:38 TR News; The 32 Best IDEs/Text Editors for C++ | Terminal Root https://en.terminalroot.com.br/the-32-best-ides-text-editors-for-cpp/ #cpp #programming #ide
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19:38 TR Bot; The 32 Best IDEs/Text Editors for C++ | Terminal Root
19:41 TR News; #ibm #redhat thinks the best of #rhel this year is #microsoft #csharp (yes, no kidding) https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2021/12/08/red-hat-enterprise-linux-best-2021
=> ↺ https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2021/12/08/red-hat-enterprise-linux-best-2021
19:41 TR Bot; Red Hat Enterprise Linux: The best of 2021 | Red Hat Developer
19:42 TR News; #ibm #redhat predicts that next year too will be Year of the Clown https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/12/tech-predictions-2022 #clownComputing
=> ↺ https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/12/tech-predictions-2022
19:42 TR Bot; 10 tech predictions for 2022 | The Enterprisers Project
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19:43 TR News; #redhat / #ibm is "inclusive" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/12/hybrid-work-3-tips except when it's not http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Racism
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19:43 TR Bot; 3 tips for an inclusive hybrid workplace | The Enterprisers Project
19:43 TR Bot; IBM - Techrights
19:47 TR News; The problem is the browser and the #www rather than #debian #gnu #linux https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Web-Browser-Packages-Debian Debian should start packaging #geminiProtocol clients...
=> ↺ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Web-Browser-Packages-Debian
19:47 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Web-Browser-Packages-Debian
19:47 TR Bot; Sad State Of Web Browser Support Currently Within Debian - Phoronix
19:48 TR News; When #microsoft controls the #kubernetes blog to shill #nsa backdoored crap like #windows https://kubernetes.io/blog/2021/12/08/dual-stack-networking-ga/
=> ↺ https://kubernetes.io/blog/2021/12/08/dual-stack-networking-ga/
19:48 TR Bot; Kubernetes 1.23: Dual-stack IPv4/IPv6 Networking Reaches GA | Kubernetes
19:50 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/1bessozul4e61.jpeg
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19:50 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/1bessozul4e61.jpeg
19:50 TR News; "I just have many vivid memories of the 90's browser wars and #microsoft 'encouraging' adopting of their specific additions and nonstandard components to HTML." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007662.html
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19:50 TR Bot; Still alive...
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19:54 TR News; Vanilla #Vim is fun | https://opensource.com/article/21/12/vanilla-vim-config #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM #Linux
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19:54 TR Bot; Vim is fun | Opensource.com
19:59 TR News; #IBM / #RedHat and #Fedora Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158888 #GNU #TuxMachines
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19:59 TR Bot; IBM/Red Hat and Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines
20:02 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158889 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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20:02 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
20:03 TR News; Smells like a 'plug'... https://pointieststick.com/2021/12/07/what-a-good-laptop-needs/ is this a paid-for post??
=> ↺ https://pointieststick.com/2021/12/07/what-a-good-laptop-needs/
20:03 TR Bot; What a great laptop needs Adventures in Linux and KDE
20:03 TR News; Modern Features In Classic Radio | Hackaday
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20:03 TR Bot; Features In Classic Radio | Hackaday
20:05 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: is archlinuyx canada based?
20:05 schestowitz-TR; distrowatch says it is
20:05 schestowitz-TR; and afaik they make a new iso each month
20:05 schestowitz-TR; so there's never like a major release of it
20:06 schestowitz-TR; just rolling on and on
20:06 MinceR; _()_/
20:06 MinceR; being systemd-based is bad enough
20:06 TR News; Audiocasts/Shows: Desktop Burnout, Zorin OS 16, and KDE Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158890 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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20:06 TR Bot; Audiocasts/Shows: Desktop Burnout, Zorin OS 16, and KDE | Tux Machines
20:06 MinceR; being so because they couldn't write or copy rc scripts worth a damn is even worse
20:06 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: worse than canadian?
20:06 MinceR; and so's dragging their feet about implementing package signing
20:07 schestowitz-TR; signed by who?
20:07 MinceR; the distributor
20:07 schestowitz-TR; is it like sigstore?
20:07 MinceR; no
20:07 schestowitz-TR; ah, OK, different
20:07 schestowitz-TR; not LF crap
20:07 schestowitz-TR; Gulag+IBM
20:07 MinceR; indeed
20:07 schestowitz-TR; sigsotre is IBM+Google mostly
20:07 schestowitz-TR; LF fronting
20:07 schestowitz-TR; IBM knows a gulag when it sees one
20:07 MinceR; they even used to remove documentation from packages and tell you to look it up online, i'm not sure if they still do that
20:07 schestowitz-TR; $_$
20:08 MinceR; there are several reasons to avoid arch and i'm not aware of any reason to particularly want to use it
20:08 schestowitz-TR; system dehomag
20:08 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: so you would not recommend arch
20:08 schestowitz; Arch 2021.12.01 is out
20:09 MinceR; i would not
20:10 schestowitz-TR; good to know
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20:10 schestowitz-TR; as I took you use of it as a semi-endorsement
20:10 schestowitz-TR; Debian is still OK for me
20:10 schestowitz-TR; I don't complain, there's not much to complain about
20:10 MinceR; i don't use arch
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20:10 MinceR; i tried it out ages ago
20:11 MinceR; and then went back to debian or something like that
20:11 Techrights-sec; are those who are not testifying at the trial, but could, staying out to
20:11 Techrights-sec; protect bill?
20:11 XRevan86; schestowitz: MinceR is a non-compomising hater of systemd, I am surprised ye would think MinceR would even slightly endorse it.
20:11 schestowitz-TR; interesting question
20:11 schestowitz-TR; there are two bills to protect
20:11 MinceR; XRevan86: what's next, "graybeard"?
20:11 MinceR; wanting to run a free unix system makes people "haters"
20:11 schestowitz-TR; it's a PR tactic
20:11 schestowitz-TR; Team Mono used it
20:12 schestowitz-TR; all who hate us are haters
20:12 XRevan86; MinceR: Didn't think ye would take offence to that.
20:12 schestowitz-TR; raspi: "Microsoft bashing"
20:12 XRevan86; MinceR: Consider that ye make your hate towards systemd very clear very often.
20:12 schestowitz-TR; translation: people not wanting to be spied on by Microsoft
20:12 MinceR; back when i tried arch, it didn't use systemd, iirc
20:12 XRevan86; * Considering
20:12 MinceR; but it was already unappealing
20:12 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: it is not hatred
20:12 schestowitz-TR; it's rejection
20:12 schestowitz-TR; not the same thing
20:13 MinceR; largely because a lot of documentation was unavailable to install
20:13 schestowitz-TR; I don't hate everything I do not use
20:13 XRevan86; schestowitz: He brings it up even when systemd is just present in the room somewhere.
20:13 schestowitz-TR; it's being foisted upon us
20:13 schestowitz-TR; it's not a choice
20:14 schestowitz-TR; so we can say, "DO NOT WANT!!"
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20:14 XRevan86; When one says "systemd bad" even when the topic is apt dependency solving, it's going a bit too far.
20:14 schestowitz-TR; gee, did I just compare LP to pedobear?
20:14 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: maybe not
20:15 schestowitz-TR; because it's everywhere
20:15 schestowitz-TR; it's hard to know if systemd is NOT to blame
20:15 schestowitz-TR; it took over so many system functions
20:15 schestowitz-TR; to the point of breaking some under particular scenarios
20:15 schestowitz-TR; and debugging it can be hard
20:15 schestowitz-TR; so you need to buy IBM support
20:15 schestowitz-TR; or retrain
20:15 schestowitz-TR; or open a Microsoft account
20:15 MinceR; iirc the topic was not apt dependency solving but breaking a linux mint install through sheer stupidity :>
20:15 schestowitz-TR; to report/study bugs
20:15 schestowitz-TR; that, to me, is a step back
20:16 XRevan86; MinceR: It was a Pop!_OS installation.
20:16 schestowitz-TR; unless you're Big Dehomag
20:16 MinceR; oh, right, another lendows flavor
20:16 MinceR; unofficial flavor, even
20:16 MinceR; not blessed by ibm
20:16 MinceR; but then, debian does use dependencies as a weapon against users who don't want to run programs considered holy by the people in charge of debian
20:17 schestowitz-TR; might get mugshot of graveley next week (police/arrest)
20:17 XRevan86; MinceR: Time to go full Flatpak then?
20:17 MinceR; lol wut
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20:17 XRevan86; No dependencies, no problem?
20:17 MinceR; no
20:17 schestowitz-TR; lol
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20:18 MinceR; it's better to switch to a real OS
20:18 schestowitz-TR; app mentality
20:18 schestowitz-TR; or windows
20:18 schestowitz-TR; more like app
20:18 schestowitz-TR; or container
20:18 schestowitz-TR; one OS, 10 OSes in it
20:18 schestowitz-TR; one for each browser
20:18 XRevan86; MinceR: Who's to say "real OS" doesn't use dependencies as a weapon?
20:19 MinceR; because that's not what a real OS is designed for
20:19 MinceR; its purpose is not "hey, let's make sure that people who don't want any of our shiny new malware don't get to avoid using it!"
20:20 XRevan86; MinceR: So a real OS is Gentoo?
20:20 XRevan86; I don't know why it took me so long to figure this puzzle out.
20:20 MinceR; probably
20:20 MinceR; there are a couple real OS-es for now
20:20 SomeH4x0r; iirc Gentoo still has a package manager
20:20 SomeH4x0r; define "real" though
20:21 MinceR; and there's nothing wrong with having a package manager
20:21 MinceR; XRevan86 is trying real hard to twist my words
20:21 XRevan86; SomeH4x0r: Gentoo is flexible enough to fully support having systemd and not having systemd to a point where even libsystemd is not present, because nothing was linked with it.
20:22 XRevan86; Because the user is the one who chooses whether to link stuff in or not.
20:24 *psydroid2 wonders when systemd is becoming a part of a new POSIX standard
20:25 schestowitz-TR; it would be a POS
20:25 schestowitz-TR; no *IX in it
20:25 schestowitz-TR; or *NIX
20:25 schestowitz-TR; seems like a very non-modular thing
20:25 MinceR; don't they consider POSIX to be obsolete already and push The Closed Group's SUS instead?
20:25 schestowitz-TR; immodouar if it was a word
20:25 schestowitz-TR; *immoidular
20:25 psydroid2; System V Release 6
20:26 MinceR; (which is basically "give us a lot of money and you can use the trademarks novell handed off to us")
20:26 psydroid2; or System VI
20:26 schestowitz-TR; psydroid2: systemd can work OK
20:26 schestowitz-TR; I get stuck sometimes when things do not work well
20:26 XRevan86; What bothers me is that even Alpine may stop being a "real OS" when MinceR decides that a "real OS" must not contain libpulse ever.
20:26 psydroid2; ah, the Systemd standard
20:26 schestowitz-TR; the extra layers of complexity don't help
20:26 schestowitz-TR; and old howtos are no longer "relkevant"
20:27 schestowitz-TR; soon the manuals with certain "bad" words in them will also be outdated
20:27 MinceR; XRevan86: why does my opinion bother you so much?
20:27 psydroid2; what used to apply to GNU/Linux still applies to OpenBSD
20:27 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: IBM will dump puse too some time soon
20:27 schestowitz-TR; for pipewire
20:27 schestowitz-TR; move fast
20:27 schestowitz-TR; break linux
20:27 MinceR; oh, also, poettering explicitly said he ignores POSIX
20:28 schestowitz-TR; avahi
20:28 XRevan86; schestowitz: * libpipewire / libpulse
20:28 schestowitz; "The Avahi project started in 2004 because Apple's Zeroconf implementation, Bonjour, used the GPL-incompatible Apple Public Source License. In 2006 Apple relicensed parts of Bonjour under the Apache License.[2]"
20:28 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avahi_(software)
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20:28 TR Bot; Avahi (software) - Wikipedia
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20:30 XRevan86; MinceR: Why did it bother you that I called you a hater of systemd? I thought it's only accurate.
20:31 XRevan86; MinceR: The point I'm making is that for a compiled distribution it's impossible to be a "real OS" by your criteria.
20:31 MinceR; seemed both irrelevant and something that has turned extremely repetitive
20:32 MinceR; and that point is wrong
20:32 XRevan86; MinceR: Aren't ye pointing at Devuan and the libelogind dependency that is going to be present regardless?
20:32 MinceR; there's no need to avoid binary packages to stop e.g. building OpenSSH with a nearly functionless libsystemd0 dependency while telling your users that running a debian system without systemd is still supported
20:33 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: it is a hard thing to remove
20:33 schestowitz-TR; I can swap out most things
20:33 schestowitz-TR; it's a massive challenge
20:33 schestowitz-TR; like whose reinstall
20:34 schestowitz-TR; to get systemd off a machine
20:34 schestowitz-TR; unlike most other packages
20:34 schestowitz-TR; except maybe Linux
20:34 schestowitz-TR; I doubt you can change to another kernel on a 'live' system and just boot into some BDS
20:34 schestowitz-TR; *BSD
20:34 XRevan86; schestowitz: When a hatred^W rejection of systemd is so strong that even the library is to be avoided, suddenly a distribution even giving systemd as an option becomes unacceptable.
20:34 schestowitz-TR; gnu linux-libre is just linux with less stuff
20:35 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: distros do not give it as an option
20:35 schestowitz-TR; it's not optional
20:35 schestowitz-TR; try apk/apt/yum remove systemd
20:35 schestowitz-TR; see how that goes
20:35 XRevan86; schestowitz: The Debian/Devuan thing kind of is that, since Devuan uses the Debian package tree.
20:35 schestowitz-TR; dnf
20:36 XRevan86; schestowitz: They found a funky workaround with libelogind, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of packages in the Devuan package tree (i.e. taken from Debian) were built with libsystemd.
20:37 XRevan86; It's a discussion that MinceR and I have for so many years.
20:37 TR News; Kernel: Intel, Google, and WireGuard Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158891 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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20:37 TR Bot; Kernel: Intel, Google, and WireGuard | Tux Machines
20:37 MinceR; XRevan86: so, what is the benefit of linking something like OpenSSH to that library?
20:40 XRevan86; MinceR: https://salsa.debian.org/ssh-team/openssh/-/blob/master/debian/patches/systemd-readiness.patch
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20:40 TR Bot; debian/patches/systemd-readiness.patch master Debian SSH Maintainers / openssh GitLab
20:41 XRevan86; Makes it work better with systemd, believe it or not.
20:44 MinceR; that doesn't really explain anything
20:46 XRevan86; > The best systemd behavior, though, would come from adding sd_notify support so that sshd can affirmatively tell systemd whether it succeeded in startup or not, and then using Type=notify. Then sshd startup won't be considered complete until the sshd daemon calls sd_notify, and the correct status will be reported if it exits for some reason before doing so.
20:46 MinceR; i'm not sure why this is considered to be such a great and important feature
20:46 MinceR; what guarantees that the daemon won't fail, freeze or crash after it passes that particular point in execution?
20:47 TR News; Links 8/12/2021: Linux 5.15.7 Out, #LinuxMint 20.3 is Near Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/linux-mint-20-3/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/linux-mint-20-3/
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20:47 TR Bot; Links 8/12/2021: Linux 5.15.7 Out, Linux Mint 20.3 is Near | Techrights
20:47 TR News; #Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158892 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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20:47 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
20:48 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158893 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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20:48 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
20:48 XRevan86; MinceR: This is for "Restart=on-failure"
20:49 MinceR; so you want OpenSSH to restart in a loop if and only if it fails before that point in execution
20:49 MinceR; why is that a good thing?
20:49 immibis; MinceR: you put the feature AFTER all the points where the daemon can fail, freeze or crash on startup...
20:49 immibis; int main() {initialize(); sd_notify(); while(true) {serve_requests();}}
20:50 immibis; then, systemd still considers sshd as "starting up" until initialization is done
20:50 immibis; this is actually a useful feature for any process manager and i wish the implementation wasn't systemd-specific
20:51 schestowitz; https://www.debugpoint.com/2021/12/microsoft-performance-tools-linux/
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20:51 TR Bot; reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.debugpoint.com/2021/12/microsoft-performance-tools-linux/ )
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20:51 schestowitz; more junk
20:52 MinceR; immibis: it can fail anywhere
20:53 MinceR; and if you say that its dependents should only start after it's initialized, well, the above code has a race condition for that
20:53 immibis; does it? what is the race condition?
20:53 MinceR; sd_notify(); sends the notification; dependent service starts, tries to connect and fails; while loop starts
20:53 immibis; there is no race condition when accepting connections, because creating the server socket is part of the initialize step, and after that, incoming connections are buffered by the kernel until serve_requests()
20:54 MinceR; sounds like you could just watch for the server socket being created
20:54 immibis; you want dependents to POLL?!
20:54 MinceR; maybe the service manager could do it
20:54 immibis; systemd probably has that feature. downstream services shouldn't need to
20:54 immibis; still why should systemd need to poll?
20:54 MinceR; then again, maybe you could just use xinetd for that
20:54 TR News; This Extension Reproduces Old Fashioned Desktop Cube in GNOME 40 / 41 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158835#comment-32011
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20:55 TR Bot; Enable This Cool 3D Cube Desktop Effect on Ubuntu 21.10 | Tux Machines
20:55 immibis; polling is a hack
20:55 TR News; The 10 Best Ubuntu-Based Linux Distributions of All Time Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158894 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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20:55 TR Bot; The 10 Best Ubuntu-Based Linux Distributions of All Time | Tux Machines
20:55 MinceR; so is using a systemd-specific interface to signal readiness
20:55 immibis; MinceR: you will be shocked to know that systemd ALSO supports not starting the service until after it receives its first connection, like xinetd, although i think the interface is different
20:55 immibis; well yeah i did say it probably shouldn't be systemd-specific because it is a good idea for all init systems
20:55 MinceR; but of course it isn't going to work any other way when the people pushing for this don't want anyone to have a choice of service managers
20:56 immibis; have you tried implementing the systemd interface?
20:56 MinceR; no
20:56 MinceR; a lot of its "interface" relies on dbugs, which is an abomination
20:58 immibis; this is open source software, the saying is code or gtfo. now that's not an option for systemd because it's pretty closed to design changes AIUI. so make a wrapper that converts systemd insanity into whatever you like
20:58 MinceR; yeah, i know that one
20:59 MinceR; "just fork MY software and use it, because it's "open source""
20:59 MinceR; "if you don't like MY way of doing things then you're just a hater and a bigot!"
21:00 immibis; who said anything about haters and bigots
21:00 immibis; open source is a meritocracy and the free market has decided the systemd guy is much much better than you
21:01 MinceR; that's a free market?
21:01 XRevan86; immibis: I called MinceR a systemd hater, didn't expect a strong reaction from that.
21:01 hyperreal; hi all
21:01 MinceR; also, no, "open source" is not a meritocracy
21:01 MinceR; "open source" is an attack on free software, driven by the fiercest enemies of free software
21:02 immibis; MinceR: believe it or not, free markets don't always go your way
21:02 immibis; absolutely no government is mandating the use of systemd in linux distros
21:02 MinceR; "open source" is a method to accommodate OSPS and try to dress it up as if it was equivalent to free software
21:02 MinceR; immibis: so i take it you haven't heard of Restricted Boot either
21:03 MinceR; or how red hat and canonical paid their alleged competitor microsoft to gain temporary entry into the PC OS market
21:03 immibis; absolutely no government is mandating the use of restricted boot
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21:03 immibis; at least not for YOUR computer. maybe they use it internally
21:03 MinceR; microsoft's deals with OEMs apparently mandate it
21:03 immibis; microsoft is not a government
21:03 immibis; OEMs are not a government
21:03 MinceR; because it's practically impossible to get a new PC without such malware on it
21:03 MinceR; so what?
21:03 immibis; and OEMs are just companies that assemble PCs for you. Try assembling your own instead
21:03 immibis; it comes without microsoft
21:03 MinceR; when private corporations distort the market with government help, that doesn't count?
21:04 immibis; the government does not help microsoft make deals with OEMs about restricted boot
21:04 MinceR; yeah, try manufacturing your own x86 CPUs and see if the government will help the x86 cartel punish you and stop you from doing so
21:04 immibis; one time I tried manufacturing my own money and the government helped the money cartel punish me and stop me from doing so
21:04 immibis; one time I tried robbing my own bank and the government helped the bank cartel punish me and stop me from doing so
21:05 MinceR; do you have an actual point or are you merely trying to waste everybody's time?
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21:05 immibis; free markets are not magic do-everything-the-way-i-like machines
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21:05 immibis; if you want everything done the way you like then do it yourself
21:05 MinceR; free markets are not machines
21:06 MinceR; they're merely markets that are free
21:06 XRevan86; Maybe a free market would have been more feasible if the manufacturing process wasn't patented through and through.
21:06 MinceR; and it's obvious to anyone who has spent a decade in the industry that the PC OS market is not a free market
21:06 XRevan86; It's a funny anecdote that patents were invented to help the little guy.
21:06 MinceR; indeed
21:07 MinceR; copyrights aren't better either
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21:09 immibis; is the government enforcing PCs to come with a certain OS?
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21:10 schestowitz; Micro Larabel https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MS-Performance-Tools-Linux
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21:10 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MS-Performance-Tools-Linux
21:10 TR Bot; Releases Performance Tools For Linux/Android - Phoronix
21:10 hyperreal; @MinceR what Unix-like distro do you use?
21:10 MinceR; OpenBSD, Bedrock, Devuan
21:10 hyperreal; (you may have told me the other day, but I forgot)
21:10 schestowitz; VERY IMPORTANT News from Phoronix
21:10 MinceR; oh, also postmarketOS
21:10 schestowitz; postgresOS next
21:11 schestowitz; everything as a file = unix
21:11 MinceR; lol
21:11 schestowitz; everything as a DB = postgresOS
21:12 hyperreal; MinceR I see you are more of a Unix purist
21:12 MinceR; immibis: the point isn't really whether the government is interfering with the market or not. but some of the things they do (such as enforcing patents) do interfere
21:12 MinceR; well, i'm someone who got tired of the brokenness of windows and moved to GNU/Linux
21:12 MinceR; then the windows people moved to GNU/Linux and started turning it into windows
21:12 TR News; How many #gnu #linux 'news' sites seriously think that #microsoft vomiting stuff out is "news" to GNU/Linux users? Links and context omitted, but #phoronix joins Microsoft boosters like #neowin
21:12 MinceR; and i haven't grown to like windows in the meantime
21:14 hyperreal; I see
21:14 hyperreal; MinceR do you have a Gemini capsule?
21:14 TR News; "A big improvement has been merged into XWayland called DRM (Direct Rendering Manager) Leasing, which should allow good VR support under Wayland. Something we've been waiting on!" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/xwayland-gets-drm-leasing-support-for-helping-vr-on-linux
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21:14 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/xwayland-gets-drm-leasing-support-for-helping-vr-on-linux
21:14 TR Bot; gets DRM leasing support for helping VR on Linux | GamingOnLinux
21:14 MinceR; not yet
21:14 MinceR; i don't even have much of a website currently
21:15 schestowitz-TR; I can help if you need it
21:15 MinceR; i don't really have anything to put there :>
21:16 schestowitz-TR; maybe run a mirror for .hu news
21:16 schestowitz-TR; there's that guy from budapest who does charting of gemini stas
21:16 schestowitz-TR; botond or whatever
21:17 MinceR; i have other stuff to do
21:17 schestowitz-TR; fair enough
21:17 MinceR; i have actually put some code up on codeberg though
21:18 schestowitz-TR; you can put git in gemini
21:18 schestowitz-TR; we posted all the code
21:18 schestowitz-TR; agplv3
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21:19 schestowitz; XRevan86: oh wow
21:19 schestowitz; http://opennet.ru/
21:19 TR Bot; OpenNet ?? "www" - ??????? ???? ???? ? ????? ?, Linux, BSD ? Unix ?????
21:19 schestowitz; I've just realised tuxmachines is at the bottom of all the pages
21:20 XRevan86; schestowitz: Um, what?
21:20 schestowitz-TR; tuxmachines is syndicated there
21:20 schestowitz-TR; in the footers of pages, sort of
21:21 *XRevan86 doesn't see it.
21:21 SomeH4x0r; I didn't notice anything either
21:21 schestowitz; e.g. http://opennet.ru/english.shtml
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21:22 schestowitz; e.g. http://opennet.ru/english.shtml
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21:22 TR Bot; The OpenNet Project - English index
21:22 schestowitz; see bottom
21:22 XRevan86; Oh, English OpenNET I had no idea that exists :)
21:22 SomeH4x0r; oh, I opened the main page, which is in Russian
21:22 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: it it the "foreign agent" section
21:23 MinceR; :)
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21:23 XRevan86; I guess it's to track the news to grab.
21:23 TR News; "it was a great opportunity to ask him for more details about the market and where everything is headed (and if Linux fits anywhere currently)." https://boilingsteam.com/the-dramatic-rise-of-esports-worldwide/
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21:24 TR Bot; The Dramatic Rise of Esports Worldwide - Boiling Steam
21:25 TR News; "In a world where browser extensions basically deliver discounts t e-commerce sites as soon as theyre needed, it can be strange to consider the printed coupon in that context." https://tedium.co/2021/12/08/manufacturers-coupon-history/
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21:25 Alternative link; Cloudflare: tedium.co | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tedium.co/2021/12/08/manufacturers-coupon-history/
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21:25 TR Bot; Manufacturers Coupon History: Running Discounts, With Scissors
21:26 TR News; Germanys new government will firmly defend encryption, key Social Democrat says - EURACTIV.com https://www.euractiv.com/section/data-protection/interview/germanys-new-government-will-firmly-defend-encryption-key-social-democrat-says/ #euractiv is bribed by #billgates and occasionally published lies, so let's see how this goes...
21:26 TR Bot; new government will firmly defend encryption, key Social Democrat says EURACTIV.com
21:27 schestowitz; activelow: ^^
21:29 MinceR; https://www.madmagazine.com/sites/default/files/imce/2014/06-JUN/Don-Martin_Around-Noon-on-a-Movie-Set_53908a59427474.29237856.jpg
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21:30 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 8.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 166.33 average k/sec., average swarm size 254.17
21:31 TR News; The intriguing implications of SFC v Vizio http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156985#comment-32013
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21:31 TR Bot; Vizio Sued for GPL Violations | Tux Machines
21:33 TR News; "A #css based keylogger" #www #Surveillance #SurveillanceCaptalism https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007663.html
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21:33 TR Bot; [Tech] The security consequences of the Web complexity
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21:36 immibis; MinceR: are you opposed to property rights?
21:37 schestowitz-TR; define that
21:37 schestowitz-TR; is land property?
21:37 immibis; define property rights?
21:37 schestowitz-TR; ideas property?
21:37 schestowitz-TR; yes, define it
21:37 immibis; property rights are generally when you can trade the right to shoot other people if they do certain things
21:38 schestowitz-TR; even "property" itself need defining
21:38 immibis; or the indirect right to shoot or imprison people
21:38 immibis; reducing all possible punishments to "shooting" or "imprisonment" is a libertarian pastime...
21:38 MinceR; immibis: no, i'm not opposed to property rights
21:38 MinceR; but i don't consider Imaginary Property to be property
21:39 immibis; it sounds like you don't think people should own their work output. are you a communist?
21:40 SomeH4x0r; I support the opinion that copyright is imaginary
21:40 immibis; sounds communist
21:40 SomeH4x0r; I don't consider it to be property
21:40 MinceR; no, the communists are the ones who try to centrally control who may enter a particular market
21:40 immibis; in this here capitalist economy we believe in people pulling up their own bootstraps and doing whatever they like with the things they create
21:41 MinceR; like microsoft
21:41 SomeH4x0r; because it is another thing, something that can be copied and distributed indefinitely. You wouldn't download a car
21:41 immibis; it's only communist when a government does it
21:41 MinceR; i would download a car if i could
21:41 MinceR; well, then there's an easy solution for you
21:41 MinceR; rename the government to something that is not "government"
21:41 SomeH4x0r; I don't like the presence of the police on the Internet
21:41 MinceR; boom, they're allowed to do anything!
21:42 psydroid2; free software magically became open source!
21:42 immibis; that is unironically what libertarians want
21:42 immibis; do we have a derogatory term for libertarians?
21:42 immibis; fun fact: true anarchy has been tried, and it evolved into governments
21:43 TR News; #CrowdStrike itself is #Microsoft -connected, as I noted many dozens of times over the years https://nitter.eu/stautistic/status/1468334293084561410?s=21
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21:43 TR Bot; mitchel lewis (@stautistic): "Microsoft has a monopoly on almost every threat vector, is the most expensive architecture by far, and is a champion of vendor lock-in. Meanwhile in journalism: Customers losing trust in Microsoft Where does journalism think Gates learned this trick? https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.php" | nitter
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21:43 MinceR; fun fact: that doesn't make government a good idea
21:44 SomeH4x0r; Anything that has its source code posted in publicly accessible sources is open source
21:45 schestowitz; [21:42] free software magically became open source!
21:45 schestowitz; Microsoft became "Loves Linux"
21:49 immibis; MinceR: so you're an advocate of renaming government to something that's not "government"
21:49 immibis; because that's what happens when you have no government: you do have a government, it's just not called that
21:50 SomeH4x0r; "Freedom is slavery"?
21:50 SomeH4x0r; don't break the language at least
21:51 MinceR; immibis: no, i advocate enlightening people so they won't want a government and will disagree with the notion that it is moral for people to have authority over other people
21:51 MinceR; immibis: also, i'm an advocate of not putting words in other people's mouths.
22:00 TR News; #theregister became #wbspam or #spamfarm : "PAID POST... Sponsored by Kasten" https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/07/kubernetes_express_kasten/ see http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-register-microsoft-pr/
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22:00 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/07/kubernetes_express_kasten/
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22:00 TR Bot; Want to get aboard the Kubernetes Express? Start learning now The Register
22:00 TR Bot; The Fall of The Register | Techrights
22:07 TR News; Yet more of Microsoft inside the 'Linux' Foundation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158828#comment-32015
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22:07 TR Bot; 'Linux' Foundation Leftovers | Tux Machines
22:08 TR News; Of course the latest #linuxfoundation project uses #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware hosting for the code. #deletegithub
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22:11 TR News; #TWCN 'Tech' 'News' is 'covering' "Linux" today... telling #gnu #linux users to install a #microsoft PASSWORD STEALER. DO NOT TOUCH EDGE. It's malware. http://techrights.org/2021/11/17/microsoft-password-stealer/
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22:12 TR Bot; Bruce Schneier: Microsoft Edge is Apparently a Password Stealer Too, Even on GNU/Linux | Techrights
22:13 TR News; LOL. #ibm has just got a new kidney. "Hello! My name is Emma Kidney. I am currently an intern for the CPE (Community Platform Engineering) team at Red Hat." #redhat
22:14 MinceR; (cat) https://i.imgur.com/hIXHGdZ.jpeg
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22:14 Alternative link; Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/hIXHGdZ.jpeg
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22:15 TR News; "Emma Kidney [...] an intern for the CPE (Community Platform Engineering) team at Red Hat [...] . I am interested in web accessibilty and universal design. I believe the web should be accessible for all, no matter what your abilities are." So tell #redhat to fix its Web sites. They shut out blind people and demand you run #ProprietarySoftware #javascript
22:15 schestowitz; MinceR: pussy, cat
22:18 TR News; #ibm #redhat focuses too much on optics and theatrics, using the diversity scope to distract from what IBM ACTUALLY is, and always was... yes, it also helped Hitler 'euthanise' hundreds of thousands of disabled people (Aktion T4) http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM
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22:18 TR Bot; IBM - Techrights
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22:19 TR News; So what if #ibm founder was an enthusiastic fan of Hitler, right #redhat h RIGHT? Far-right? http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-germany-history/
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22:19 TR Bot; Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | Techrights
22:20 TR News; Come on, people. Give #IBM a break. It's not like it's some Nazi company. Oh... http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/edwin-black-2021/
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22:20 TR Bot; New Interview With Edwin Black: IBM Has Never Apologised, Instead It Hid Its Role in Nazi Germany | Techrights
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22:22 immibis; MinceR: if you don't have a government, then you do have a government, it's just not called that
22:23 immibis; for example, google might be the government in that scenario.
22:23 TR News; Zorin OS 16 Lite is a great Linux-based Windows 11 alternative for older PCs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158878#comment-32016
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22:23 TR Bot; Zorin OS 16 Celebrates More Than 1 Million Downloads with Lite Edition | Tux Machines
22:23 MinceR; immibis: in that case, every person should be their own "government", with authority only over themselves
22:24 TR News; Little Switzerlands: Alpine Kitsch in England The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/essay/little-switzerlands-alpine-kitsch-in-england/ #publicdomainreview #publicdomain #Switzerland
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22:24 TR Bot; Little Switzerlands: Alpine Kitsch in England The Public Domain Review
22:24 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: who 'owns' the government?
22:24 schestowitz-TR; whose 'property'?
22:24 schestowitz-TR; does a government have "rights"?
22:25 schestowitz-TR; is the government an organism?
22:25 schestowitz-TR; let's cross over to philosophy meme site
22:25 MinceR; schestowitz-TR: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
22:27 schestowitz-TR; don't speak latin, but can guess what that says
22:27 MinceR; "who watches the watchmen?" or something like that
22:27 TR News; Meet Calculate Linux 22! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158875#comment-32017
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22:27 TR Bot; Gentoo-Based Calculate Linux 22 Released with PipeWire, Improved System Updates | Tux Machines
22:27 schestowitz-TR; well, with epo coverage we do lots of watching of european orgs
22:27 schestowitz-TR; which is very rewarding
22:28 schestowitz-TR; as the media is mostly asleep or dead(weight)
22:28 TR News; "This release contains bug fixes to improve robustness. This release note describes whats different between Istio 1.12.0 and #Istio 1.12.1" https://istio.io/latest/news/releases/1.12.x/announcing-1.12.1/
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22:28 TR Bot; Istio / Announcing Istio 1.12.1
22:29 leah; country/land = computer
22:29 leah; state = operating system
22:29 leah; government = operating system kernel
22:29 schestowitz-TR; allocates resources
22:29 leah; without a central government, you might end up with a series of smaller governments instead. and they might have to work with each other
22:29 schestowitz-TR; sysytemd is..?
22:29 leah; and then you might in that instance have a microkernel
22:30 schestowitz-TR; systemd is like state-connected mafia
22:30 schestowitz-TR; it runs everything
22:30 schestowitz-TR; but "officials"... just an "init system"
22:30 schestowitz-TR; *oficially
22:30 leah; nah systemd is more like a government oversight committee that got too huge and is almost another government
22:31 schestowitz-TR; you can reject the mafia
22:31 schestowitz-TR; but then it starts burning your stuff
22:31 schestowitz-TR; linux= wall street
22:31 schestowitz-TR; system= k street
22:31 schestowitz-TR; *systemd
22:32 leah; department of foreign affairs = networking code
22:32 schestowitz-TR; but gnu runs the show
22:32 schestowitz-TR; and gets no credit
22:32 schestowitz-TR; the media tells me ls is linux command
22:32 schestowitz-TR; but i man ls
22:33 schestowitz-TR; and I don't see a finnish dude named
22:33 schestowitz-TR; maybe it's not a linux thing
22:33 leah; ls is part of coreutils
22:33 schestowitz-TR; i know
22:33 schestowitz-TR; linux coreutils ;-)
22:33 schestowitz-TR; in ls the l stands for linux ;-)
22:33 leah; to be fair though, linus would probably do a good job if he did reimplement coreutils
22:35 TR News; Rubber Tyres Before There Were Tyres | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2021/12/08/rubber-tyres-before-there-were-tyres/ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/12/08/#latest
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22:35 TR Bot; Tyres Before There Were Tyres | Hackaday
22:35 TR Bot; Social Control Media Posts
22:35 schestowitz-TR; leah: it would be called LinuS
22:35 schestowitz-TR; he calls things after himself
22:35 MinceR; systemd is that megacorporation that effectively became the government :>
22:35 leah; oh my
22:35 MinceR; or church
22:35 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: old ibm
22:35 leah; nah gnu is the church
22:35 schestowitz-TR; before it became a dying monster
22:36 leah; linux is more of a citadel
22:36 activelow; what would benefit the GNU branding more: a strong linux branding or a weak one?
22:36 MinceR; a citadel with way too many microsoft soldiers in it
22:36 leah; lxo is a high priest
22:38 leah; what would benefit gnu more is a decent git hosting site
22:38 leah; and a rewrite. many of its tools are bloated and/or buggy
22:38 activelow; busybox exists
22:39 leah; gnubox
22:39 activelow; however, there is no real alternative to the #1 GNU project: GCC
22:39 leah; except llvm
22:39 activelow; which isn't an alternative, because it is equally heavyweight
22:39 activelow; a corporate monstrosity
22:40 activelow; SDCC compiler, couldn't test it yet, 16bit unix systems, it's GPL too
22:40 leah; it didn't have to be that way. chris lattner offered llvm to gnu in 2005
22:40 activelow; interesting.
22:40 TR News; Snowball Fights in Art (14001946) The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/snowball-fights/ #publicdomainreview
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22:40 TR Bot; Snowball Fights in Art (14001946) The Public Domain Review
22:40 leah; https://gcc.gnu.org/legacy-ml/gcc/2005-11/msg00888.html
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22:40 TR Bot; Chris Lattner - LLVM/GCC Integration Proposal
22:42 leah; there is an alternative universe where https://www.gnu.org/software/llvm exists
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22:42 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://www.gnu.org/software/llvm )
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22:42 activelow; llvm was written in c++ ?
22:44 activelow; i am already looking forward to compiling linux kernel with a C99 compliant compiler... without any magical extension supported
22:45 TR News; Made To Spec: The Coming Age Of Prototyping As A Service | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2021/12/08/made-to-spec-the-coming-age-of-prototyping-as-a-service/ #hackaday #pcb
=> ↺ https://hackaday.com/2021/12/08/made-to-spec-the-coming-age-of-prototyping-as-a-service/
22:45 TR Bot; To Spec: The Coming Age Of Prototyping As A Service | Hackaday
22:46 MinceR; https://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/baby-hunt.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2018/10/is-it-baby-season-already/ )
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=> ↺ https://www.engrish.com/2018/10/is-it-baby-season-already/
22:46 TR Bot; Is it baby season already?
22:47 *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights
22:49 TR News; #GstVA in #GStreamer 1.20 - Herostratus legacy https://blogs.igalia.com/vjaquez/2021/12/08/gstva-in-gstreamer-1-20/ #igalia #linux #freesw
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22:49 TR Bot; GstVA in GStreamer 1.20 Herostratus legacy
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22:51 TR News; #ubuntu Revisiting default initramfs compression https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-December/041726.html #canonical #linux
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22:51 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-December/041726.html
22:51 TR Bot; Revisiting default initramfs compression
22:53 TR News; #TechDecisions = #spamfarm or #www as a link farm of crap. Web is dying... being overrun by fake reviews, fake news, spam, marketing, provocation etc.
22:55 *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights
22:55 TR News; Squishy Robot Hardware Does Well Under Pressure | #Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2021/12/08/squishy-robot-hardware-does-well-under-pressure/
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22:55 TR Bot; Robot Hardware Does Well Under Pressure | Hackaday
22:57 leah; schestowitz-TR: btw, we were talking about untitled yesterday. i didn't tell you:
22:57 leah; translations are supported now. multi-language sites are now fully supported. i just haven't updated the docs to say so yet
22:57 leah; but you can see an example of the multi-language support in use on this site:
22:57 leah; https://trans.chat/
22:57 TR Bot; TransChat Advice for transgender people, including non-binary and intersex
22:57 leah; english, polish and portuguese
22:57 leah; i'm going to start asking for translations to libreboot.org soon
22:58 leah; those language menus on pages are automatically generated
22:58 TR News; Net effect of #mozilla releasing #firefox so often is that it's a PAIN to maintain and hard to fork/branch off. Same method IBM Gulag use with #systemd and #chromium respectively... release buggy stuff very often, and nobody will catch up
22:58 leah; on every page. but it's done per-page. which means you can have a situation where some pages more more or less translations than others
22:58 leah; like on gnu.org
22:58 leah; (except i'm using markdown. those people are using texinfo)
22:59 leah; have a look at the last few commits in untitled to see how i pulled it off
22:59 leah; https://notabug.org/untitled/untitled/commits/master
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22:59 TR Bot; History untitled/untitled - NotABug.org: Free code hosting
22:59 *schestowitz-TR checking
22:59 leah; last 12 commits
22:59 TR News; #Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158895 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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22:59 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
23:00 leah; relative to 9febc23494
23:00 leah; that and 11 commits before it
23:00 leah; the way i'm handling it is very minimalist compared to most other solutions
23:00 schestowitz-TR; bash
23:01 leah; but you could use it for other things besides translations too
23:01 schestowitz-TR; clean code
23:01 leah; for example
23:01 leah; property.sales.md
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23:01 leah; property.mortgages.md
23:01 leah; property.rent.md
23:01 leah; and "sales", "mortgages" and "rent" would appear in the menu
23:01 schestowitz; " shaggy486e1e30a0 leah is stupid6 months ago"
23:02 leah; schestowitz: shaggy is me. it's a joke. a reference to the shaggy meme
23:02 leah; when i can't figure something out and need help, shaggy takes over
23:02 schestowitz; mr loverman?
23:02 schestowitz-TR; or the cartoon?
23:02 leah; my favourite shaggy commit is https://notabug.org/untitled/untitled/commit/73df2aa02859b993b92d5704996f00f1048f63e8
=> ↺ https://notabug.org/untitled/untitled/commit/73df2aa02859b993b92d5704996f00f1048f63e8
23:02 TR Bot; run sha1sum twice! 73df2aa028 - NotABug.org: Free code hosting
23:02 leah; the live action shaggy, from the live action scooby film
23:02 leah; the one from the meme
23:02 schestowitz-TR; ok, the latter
23:03 leah; though i don't use sha1sum/xxhsum anymore
23:03 schestowitz-TR; if you code so much in bash then
23:03 leah; now i use date -r file +%s
23:03 schestowitz-TR; you can easily port that over to do gemini too
23:03 leah; yep
23:03 schestowitz-TR; it will be even easier
23:03 schestowitz-TR; as writing out gemtext is like.... nothing
23:03 leah; that's what i want to do. it's on todo
23:04 schestowitz-TR; # Menu
23:04 leah; hybrid http/gemini static site generator. where gemtext can be the source markup for html too
23:04 schestowitz-TR; => itemurl menu name
23:04 schestowitz-TR; ## story title
23:04 leah; but markdown overrides it, on http sites. but on gemini, if both exist, use the gemtext
23:04 leah; i want to rewrite untitled in something a bit more performant, though
23:05 leah; some of the checks, especially string based checks, are a bit cursed in shell code
23:05 schestowitz; gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-071221.gmi
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23:05 leah; something like go perhaps. or even c
23:05 leah; also i want to rewrite the markdown->html parser in C. with templates like in pandoc
23:05 leah; to optimize speed
23:06 leah; schestowitz: perhaps you can submit a patch?
23:06 leah; to untitled, for gemtext stuff. i'd love to work with you on it
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23:06 TR News; This Arduino device can detect which language is being spoken using tinyML | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/12/08/this-arduino-device-can-detect-which-language-is-being-spoken/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/12/08/#latest
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23:06 Alternative link; Cloudflare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/12/08/this-arduino-device-can-detect-which-language-is-being-spoken/
23:06 TR Bot; This Arduino device can detect which language is being spoken using tinyML | Arduino Blog
23:06 TR Bot; Social Control Media Posts
23:07 leah; untitled is my way of making fun of all the other static generators out there
23:07 schestowitz-TR; I'm only short on time
23:07 schestowitz-TR; not short on projects
23:07 leah; i do it all in bash, and i do it better than them
23:07 leah; while they're using all kinds of rubbish
23:07 leah; iank from fsf has a nice static site generator of his own, with comment functions
23:08 leah; he uses it on his blog. i've been meaning to assimilate his logic, for comments sections on news pages
23:08 TR News; #ProprietarySoftware " #CISA encourages users and administrators to review the SonicWall security advisory and apply the necessary firmware updates as soon as possible." https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2021/12/08/sonicwall-releases-security-advisory-sma-100-series-appliances
23:08 TR Bot; SonicWall Releases Security Advisory for SMA 100 Series Appliances | CISA
23:08 leah; his is in bash too
23:08 schestowitz-TR; we use a lot of bash, perl
23:08 schestowitz-TR; sometimes python
23:09 leah; i think it's funny to do everything in bash
23:09 leah; bash is a meme
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23:09 TR News; "[kerchoo_22] is working on a hands-free video game controller as a final project for her engineering class and we think its worth sharing." https://hackaday.com/2021/12/07/assistive-tech-and-video-games/
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23:09 TR Bot; Tech And Video Games | Hackaday
23:10 DaemonFC; schestowitz, I had to drive across the county for a COVID test.
23:10 schestowitz-TR; wow
23:10 schestowitz-TR; risky
23:10 DaemonFC; I went to one of those walk in places and their system required you to scan a QR code, go to a website, enter your insurance, and write down a confirmation number.
23:10 DaemonFC; But my insurance cards don't fit the format on the page.
23:11 DaemonFC; So the lady there told me to lie and say I was uninsured.
23:11 leah; in the UK, they send a test kit to your home
23:11 DaemonFC; I said, "I'm not doing that. This would be fraud.".
23:11 leah; then you send it off in the mail and a week later, they tell you your result
23:11 leah; though i think they try to be a bit faster
23:11 DaemonFC; So she wouldn't help me, and then said loudly "I'm sorry everyone, we're waiting on ONE PERSON.".
23:11 DaemonFC; So I chucked the pen across the room, put my insurance cards back in my wallet, left, and called their corporate office.
23:12 DaemonFC; And then drove to a CVS 15 miles away.
23:12 schestowitz-TR; joy
23:12 schestowitz-TR; and you drive ill
23:12 schestowitz-TR; not good
23:12 DaemonFC; Yeah
23:12 schestowitz-TR; you'll mget youself kiled
23:12 schestowitz-TR; driving 16 hours across the state for jabs
23:12 schestowitz-TR; for a virus that barely kills anyone in your age group
23:13 schestowitz-TR; car accidents kill many of your age
23:13 DaemonFC; Trying to figure out if it's COVID and if I need to go find a place to get the antibody treatment before it gets worse.
23:13 schestowitz-TR; and it can be the fault of other drivers, reckless
23:13 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: you take very long car journeys
23:13 leah; there's a joke in there about driving the numbers down
23:13 leah; but it would be quite morbid
23:13 schestowitz-TR; those are of higher probablility of killing you than a covid infection
23:13 schestowitz-TR; you are about 38
23:14 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Well, I have a futon in the livingroom, so I sleep out here tonight in one of those zip up sleeping bags.
23:14 schestowitz-TR; and not obese, just fatty iirc
23:14 DaemonFC; Not obese, no, but overweight.
23:14 DaemonFC; Doctors ask if I care, I go not really.
23:14 schestowitz-TR; common
23:14 DaemonFC; My Uncle is in far worse shape. Cholesterol over 1,000 and has been for decades.
23:14 schestowitz-TR; "hey, if there's a food shortage I'll survice. you won't"
23:14 schestowitz-TR; *survive
23:15 DaemonFC; He's turned 65 recently.
23:15 schestowitz-TR; overweight can be fixed in weeks
23:15 schestowitz-TR; obese is a problem
23:15 DaemonFC; Yeah, basically the only reason to obsess over this is because you're trying to hook up with people in the restrooms at open sores conferences.
23:15 schestowitz-TR; also skin elasticity
23:15 DaemonFC; ;)
23:15 leah; anyway, untitled would be a great fit for techrights i think
23:15 leah; in the future
23:15 schestowitz-TR; maybe yes
23:15 leah; once it has gemtext support
23:16 schestowitz-TR; we craft our own for the front page
23:16 schestowitz-TR; and for some pages I use temp;late I made 20 years ago
23:16 leah; there are some limitations in how it handles news sections
23:16 schestowitz-TR; for netscape and such!
23:16 leah; that ought to be addressed
23:16 DaemonFC; For the married, non-perverts, who love each other and aren't going to go running down to the divorce court over an extra 20 pounds, who gives a shit?
23:16 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/ipfs/bulletins.html
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23:16 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
23:17 schestowitz; [23:16] e.g. http://techrights.org/ipfs/bulletins.html
=> http://techrights.org/ipfs/bulletins.html
23:17 schestowitz; [23:16] oops
23:17 schestowitz; [23:16] wrong window
23:17 DaemonFC; schestowitz, MARISOL was wondering why we didn't have a more expensive wedding.
23:18 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: ask her why she doesn't have a bigger mortgage
23:18 schestowitz-TR; or a bigger ego
23:18 DaemonFC; I said, "Well, studies have statistically shown that the likelihood of the marriage failing is associated with how much debt you racked up on day 1 pretending you're in a royal wedding ceremony.".
23:18 schestowitz-TR; or a bigger chance of being homeless
23:18 schestowitz-TR; good replyt
23:18 schestowitz-TR; very good replyt
23:19 schestowitz-TR; debt causes stress
23:19 schestowitz-TR; stress leads to arguing
23:19 DaemonFC; It saps you of resources you need to deal with important things.
23:19 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: "why did you not throw a bigger plate at Mark?"
23:20 DaemonFC; Day 1 of our marriage. $15,000 wedding with interest. Game over man, game over!"
23:20 immibis; MinceR: if you make everyone "a government" then google or facebook will be the super-government ruling over all the governments
23:20 schestowitz-TR; they are gov contractors of sorts
23:20 schestowitz-TR; check funding sources and political backing
23:20 schestowitz-TR; they're adopted as political tools
23:20 schestowitz-TR; not just by the US
23:20 MinceR; part of their current power comes from the government
23:20 schestowitz-TR; social control media and mind control
23:20 schestowitz-TR; search histories etc.
23:21 DaemonFC; In theory, the people are the source of legitimacy of the government. In fact, the politicians all think and admit in inner circles, "Let them despise us, as long as they fear and obey us!".
23:21 schestowitz; https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/05/wikileaks-assange-facebook-is-appalling-spying-machine/238225/
23:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theatlantic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/05/wikileaks-assange-facebook-is-appalling-spying-machine/238225/
23:21 TR Bot; WikiLeaks' Assange: Facebook Is 'Appalling Spying Machine' - The Atlantic
23:21 DaemonFC; No politician in elected office today is worried that their actions will be seen as legitimate.
23:21 schestowitz; https://www.zdnet.com/article/wikileaks-founder-facebook-is-most-appalling-spying-machine-ever-invented/
23:21 TR Bot; founder: Facebook is "most appalling spying machine ever invented" | ZDNet
23:21 schestowitz; "WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has called Facebook "the most appalling ... US organizations have built-in interfaces for US intelligence."
23:21 DaemonFC; Nobody has challenged Pritzker in a serious way, and the judges are all Democrats if they bothered.
23:22 schestowitz; https://www.cnet.com/home/smart-home/assange-facebook-is-an-appalling-spy-machine/
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23:22 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnet.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnet.com/home/smart-home/assange-facebook-is-an-appalling-spy-machine/
23:22 TR Bot; Facebook is an 'appalling spy machine' - CNET
23:22 DaemonFC; schestowitz, That's why I'll probably vote for Adam Kinzinger for Governor.
23:22 DaemonFC; I don't like him, I really don't agree with him.
23:23 DaemonFC; But hopefully, it causes a food fight and they slow each other down.
23:23 DaemonFC; It worked this year in the local election.
23:23 DaemonFC; The Democrats now have a Republican mayor to deal with and it's derailed their tax hikes.
23:24 schestowitz-TR; npowm back to tech
23:24 DaemonFC; It was popular enough in the council to get a simple majority and go to Mayor Cunningham, but now it will face a veto.
23:24 DaemonFC; I feel like there's a lot of wasted effort just trying to put up obstacles so the bad guys don't get away with MORE.
23:25 DaemonFC; But it sounds like MinceR doesn't even have that possibility.
23:26 TR News; "I first learned about #PicoVoice about a year ago when the offline voice AI engine was showcased on a Raspberry Pi fitted with ReSpeaker 4-mic array to showcase the companys Porcupine custom wake word engine" https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/12/08/picovoice-offline-voice-ai-engine-gets-free-tier-for-up-to-3-users/
23:26 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/12/08/picovoice-offline-voice-ai-engine-gets-free-tier-for-up-to-3-users/
23:26 TR Bot; PicoVoice offline Voice AI engine gets free tier for up to 3 users - CNX Software
23:26 DaemonFC; Well, it's always a goddamned Christmas miracle when you sabotage their tax hike plan and all of a sudden there's cuts to a bunch of unimportant programs and you never notice even though the stinking bastard was trying to act like there'd be big problems. Threatening to punish you if you voted it down.
23:26 DaemonFC; I'll fire teachers, firefighters, and cops first!
23:26 TR News; Simple Design Elevates This Mechanical Dot Matrix Display | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2021/12/07/simple-design-elevates-this-mechanical-dot-matrix-display/ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/12/08/#latest
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23:26 TR Bot; Design Elevates This Mechanical Dot Matrix Display | Hackaday
23:26 TR Bot; Social Control Media Posts
23:27 DaemonFC; "Is that a fuckin' threat!?" -Bad Santa ;)
23:27 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: you would be an awful politician
23:27 schestowitz-TR; aiwht people sleeping in sleeping bags in their homes
23:27 schestowitz-TR; "go home and ZIP IT!!"
23:27 DaemonFC; First of all it's not Pritzker who gets to decide what the budget cuts mean to local governments.
23:28 DaemonFC; The cuts are to a revenue stream, not one that has to be spent or not spent on a certain item.
23:29 DaemonFC; Secondly, after the taxes flopped, there's been road construction everywhere because I voted to cut them off from raiding the motor fuels tax for other things (like welfare programs).
23:29 TR News; "Those two bullet points hide a lot of complexity, and its not surprising that I didnt get particularly far in this project! It requires coordinated changes in a lot of components: GLib, GTK, gnome-session and applications themselves." https://tecnocode.co.uk/2021/12/08/state-persistence-for-apps-and-sessions-endless-orange-week/
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23:29 TR Bot; State persistence for apps and sessions: Endless Orange Week | Philip Withnall
23:29 schestowitz; DaemonFC: https://hackaday.com/2021/12/08/fail-of-the-week-hackaday-writer-attempts-xbox-repair/
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23:29 TR Bot; Of The Week: Hackaday Writer Attempts XBox Repair | Hackaday
23:30 DaemonFC; Thirdly, since nobody believes the Illinois government anymore, if they have to take it out on the state parks system, it's because nobody says "redirect my tax check as a gift to the state parks" because that's not what it gets spent on.
23:30 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 8.36 k/sec., IPFS upstream 163.31 average k/sec., average swarm size 254.13
23:30 immibis; MinceR: google's power does not come from the government, nor does facebook's
23:30 TR News; "Structure and minimalism, often based on the same core elements of black steel beams and glass, are a landmark of these buildings. One immediately senses that there is nothing left to take away." http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/blog/2021/12/08#034_less_is_more
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23:30 TR Bot; Thinking inside the box
23:31 schestowitz-TR; immibis: goes unchecked by them
23:31 DaemonFC; schestowitz, I loaded a fork of an old copy of Debian in an XBOX emulator.
23:31 schestowitz-TR; and they COLLABORATE a lot
23:31 immibis; well if they checked it, that would be big government, which MinceR seems to hate, seeing as he wants the opposite, zero government
23:31 DaemonFC; It's compatible enough to run that and about 80-ish percent of games with decent results.
23:31 schestowitz; https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/
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23:31 TR Bot; Julian Assange - Google Is Not What It Seems
23:31 DaemonFC; Mr. Drone Strike said he was trying to create "reforms from within".
23:32 schestowitz-TR; thunberg joined exxon
23:32 schestowitz-TR; she will fix Exxon Mobil from within
23:32 MinceR; immibis: google and facebook is given a lot of freedom from the government's oversight in exchange for spying on people -- that's why anticompetition laws aren't enforced against them. but if you were to start your own business that tried to compete with them and did not make a pact with a government, you would face the full force of those laws
23:33 activelow; next one discussed is this: "central registration of vaccination status" together with "mandatory vaccination"
23:33 immibis; MinceR: surely if you think there should be no government, then you think anticompetition laws are a bad thing and shouldn't be enforced ever?
23:33 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: Microsoft also
23:33 schestowitz-TR; added back doors
23:33 schestowitz-TR; and spies shitless
23:33 MinceR; immibis: facebook and cambridge analytica could have a significant effect on people's lives in the USA because there was a state that held elections which they could manipulate
23:33 immibis; activelow: let's please do that. finally force the neo-fascists to give up and end the damn pandemic already
23:33 schestowitz-TR; and so the case against Microsoft crimes got scuttled
23:33 MinceR; immibis: i think there should be no government, no megacorporations and no churches, or anything else that would try to be a government in another guise
23:34 immibis; we tried anarchy already. we know what happens. we know that a top-down power hierarchy forms and this one won't be democratic
23:34 schestowitz-TR; so same as now?
23:34 MinceR; who are "you" and where have you tried it?
23:34 MinceR; also, where is that democratic arrangement that is your alternative to it?
23:35 MinceR; where is a properly functioning democracy?
23:35 schestowitz-TR; textbook
23:35 schestowitz-TR; like capitalism
23:35 schestowitz-TR; those are like religions
23:35 schestowitz-TR; in practice, it's more like Taliban or ISIS
23:35 psydroid2; let's all become friends on Textbook
23:35 MinceR; lol
23:36 schestowitz-TR; psydroid2: we'll "like" each others' things
23:36 schestowitz-TR; so we'll all loomkl popular
23:36 schestowitz-TR; our classmates from when we were 7 will so so envious
23:37 activelow; immibis: pardon? the overwhelming majority of protests is not fascist. it is government and their fake news apparatus who spread incitement to hatred 24/7
23:38 activelow; and this is where it should begin, live on TV: them receiving their jabs of the "recommended" "booster" "cross-vaccination" "insufficient data" was available for
23:39 activelow; the new Chancellor, Olaf Scholz, will be first. I recommend RTL television prime time.
23:40 schestowitz-TR; isn't that lux?
23:41 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/21120421
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23:41 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (6056173)
23:41 TR News; #GNOME and GTK Development Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158896 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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23:41 TR Bot; GNOME and GTK Development | Tux Machines
23:42 XRevan86; MinceR: Meanwhile in Ivanka's head: "water goes splash"
23:43 activelow; schestowitz-TR: yes, RTL is headquartered in luxembourg, and broadcast in AT, CH, DE; so entire german-speaking people can enjoy this show.
23:43 immibis; activelow: i see you are brainwashed by neo-fascists
23:43 schestowitz; https://www.bustle.com/p/ivanka-trump-wins-the-internet-freedoma-award-a-year-after-net-neutrality-officially-ended-17919036
23:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bustle.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bustle.com/p/ivanka-trump-wins-the-internet-freedoma-award-a-year-after-net-neutrality-officially-ended-17919036
23:43 TR Bot; Ivanka Trump Wins The Internet Freedom Award A Year After Net Neutrality Officially Ended
23:44 immibis; MinceR: many developed countries (the USA is not developed)
23:44 schestowitz; https://mashable.com/article/ivanka-trump-internet-freedom-award
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23:44 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mashable.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://mashable.com/article/ivanka-trump-internet-freedom-award
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23:44 TR Bot; Tech lobbying group gives Ivanka Trump 'Internet Freedom Award'
23:45 schestowitz; immibis: you are conflating two separate things
23:45 schestowitz; maybe the one misled is also you
23:45 schestowitz; people who reject those shots are often well educated
23:45 MinceR; immibis: for example?
23:45 schestowitz; like half the population of switzerland
23:45 schestowitz; not "neo-fascists"
23:45 immibis; anybody who thinks that extending the pandemic for any longer than it already has been extended is a good idea is a moron
23:45 schestowitz; you are again conflating two things
23:45 schestowitz; jabs and ending the pandemic
23:45 MinceR; who said the pandemic should be extended for longer?
23:46 immibis; the antivax group
23:46 schestowitz; the coronavirus was always with us
23:46 schestowitz; new strains are worse
23:46 schestowitz; and they are here to stay
23:46 immibis; what do you mean "the" coronavirus?
23:46 schestowitz; RMS thinks it can be eradicateed
23:46 schestowitz; because he reads bill's gguardian
23:46 schestowitz; the jabs help old people fight it off
23:46 schestowitz; as dot he flu shots
23:46 schestowitz; but giving it to kids is pointless
23:46 schestowitz; it helps profits of the patent holders
23:46 immibis; all vaccines reduce infection and transmission. no vaccines prevent infection and transmission
23:46 schestowitz; and not much more
23:47 immibis; we managed to beat polio using vaccines about as good as covid vaccines
23:47 schestowitz; no,
23:47 schestowitz; polio vaccine works better
23:47 schestowitz; and we take it once
23:47 schestowitz; while young
23:47 immibis; polio vaccine is administered 4 times
23:47 immibis; https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/public/index.html
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23:47 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cdc.gov | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/public/index.html
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23:47 TR Bot; Polio Vaccination: What Everyone Should Know | CDC
23:48 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine
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23:48 TR Bot; Polio vaccine - Wikipedia
23:48 immibis; all virus vaccines in humans require approximately 4 doses to achieve proper immunity
23:48 activelow; a moment ago they said a few dozen elderies died in geriatric care home, supposedly because they had not received their jabs
23:48 schestowitz; " Another attenuated live oral polio vaccine was developed by Albert Sabin and came into commercial use in 1961"
23:48 activelow; immibis: who is neo-fascist? government TV spreading this type of news?
23:49 MinceR; neofascists governments do spread propaganda against measures against SARS-CoV-2
23:49 MinceR; hungarian government does it internally and externally
23:49 immibis; activelow: those who attempt to prolong the pandemic because of dumb political ideology. Such as (it appears) yourself
23:49 MinceR; russian government does it on the non-russian editions of RT
23:49 MinceR; but not internally
23:49 immibis; previous american government did it a lot and probably seeded the movement worldwide
23:51 immibis; that leader didn't even do it on purpose. he didn't want to extend a pandemic, he just didn't want to look incompetent, which he would have if he'd tried to do something about it
23:51 immibis; by pretending it's not a real threat, doing nothing is a not-incompetent solution
23:52 activelow; a miracle tincture vaccine cannot prevent excess hospitalization, in particular "cross vaccination" "insufficient data" for verification was available for, according to "vaccination commission"
23:52 schestowitz-TR; mass vaccination for polio was a decade after salk made it
23:54 schestowitz-TR; it was not patented either
23:54 schestowitz-TR; so it did not cost 50 times the production cost.. to enrich oligarchs
23:54 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine#/media/File:Salk_headlines.jpg
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23:54 TR Bot; Polio vaccine - Wikipedia
23:54 MinceR; s/sts/st/
23:55 schestowitz; "he undertook a project to determine the number of different types of poliovirus, starting in 1948. [...] By 1959, the Salk vaccine had reached about 90 countries"
23:55 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Salk
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23:55 TR Bot; Jonas Salk - Wikipedia
23:55 immibis; activelow: you are right. We should never do anything if there are not 5 years of data on its efficacy. If you must forgive me I have to reinstall Windows on my computer because it has never been proven in a court of law that uninstalling Windows increases software freedom.
23:55 schestowitz; there were trials and errors along the way
23:56 schestowitz; not administring that to billions of people including those not at risk
23:56 schestowitz; we have bigger issues than covid-19
23:56 activelow; do exactly what? the testing procedures here didn't at least include measurement of fever, which otherwise is common medical routine to check immune response to infections
23:56 schestowitz; like overpopulation and overindustrialisation that strains the planet
23:56 schestowitz; we can start to tackle both
23:56 schestowitz; more lockdowns, more work from home
23:57 schestowitz; it has proben more effective
23:57 schestowitz; 2020 had a lot fewer covid-10 deaths here than this year
23:57 schestowitz; *19
23:57 schestowitz; because of lockdowns partly
23:57 schestowitz; http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/category/health/
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23:57 TR Bot; Health
23:57 schestowitz; time to tackle the major issue
23:58 schestowitz; not only what patent-connected media tells us
23:58 immibis; schestowitz: I guess back in those days they were accustomed to people dying from preventable disease, and not so accustomed to vaccines.
23:58 schestowitz; owned by the world's biggest polluters
23:58 schestowitz; immibis: no
23:58 schestowitz; vaccines still take a long time to develop
23:58 schestowitz; they have 4 phases
23:58 schestowitz; we jumped through 2 or 3
23:58 schestowitz; and we're not solving it
23:58 activelow; the corona vaccination did NOT decrease excess hospitalzation, although 70% received their tincture as promised
23:58 schestowitz; people move back to lockdowns
23:59 schestowitz; even where vaccinatino rates for covid-* and derivatives are very high
23:59 activelow; then it wasn't enough, and required boosters, excess hospitalization remains
23:59 schestowitz; activelow: it did reduce it here
23:59 schestowitz; but not by very much
23:59 schestowitz; very disapopointing efficacy
23:59 schestowitz; falsely advertised as 95% or thereabouts
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