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00:25 XRevan86; reptilian_thrills: https://youtu.be/kOzEZZDg3NI?t=749
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00:25 TR Bot; NO TITLE
00:32 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/11/04/funny-bad-science-jokes-memes/
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00:32 TR Bot; 30 Bad, Yet Funny Science Jokes For All The Nerds Out There
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00:49 XRevan86; MinceR: 9's funny, 16's obsolete, 18's not nearly as dramatic as a lightbulb, 29's Prisoner's Dilemma, naughty.
00:55 MinceR; i don't see how 16 is obsolete
00:55 MinceR; lightbulb is old hat
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01:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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01:22 XRevan86; MinceR: Machine learning forces captcha to get even more complicated.
01:22 MinceR; some stuff still gives me exactly that kind of captcha
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01:33 reptilian_thrills; captchas are the webs way of telling you the web is a piece of shit
01:33 reptilian_thrills; sort of like if youre trying to date a woman and shes wearing a button that says "i love male tears"
01:33 reptilian_thrills; it doesnt matter if youre a lesbian, shes a dick
01:33 reptilian_thrills; captchas are like that
01:34 reptilian_thrills; theyre the red hair on a radical feminist of the internet
01:35 reptilian_thrills; (dyed red, not ginger)
01:35 reptilian_thrills; i went through trying to sign up for a blog recently
01:36 reptilian_thrills; i tried wordpress, then i rememmbered word press just fails to load now
01:36 reptilian_thrills; like you go to edit a page (after signing in) and its blank
01:36 reptilian_thrills; so you restart the browser and only sometimes it works
01:36 reptilian_thrills; what the fuck is that
01:36 reptilian_thrills; 1. why would restarting the browser help
01:37 reptilian_thrills; 2. why wouldnt it help reliably
01:37 reptilian_thrills; wordpress is destroyed, trash, useless
01:37 reptilian_thrills; but i tried to sign up a few places
01:37 reptilian_thrills; most didnt work. why? the web is trash
01:37 reptilian_thrills; thanks for destroying it, tim
01:37 reptilian_thrills; good job
01:38 reptilian_thrills; knighthoods should come in suppository form
01:38 reptilian_thrills; the web has gone systemd
01:39 reptilian_thrills; i like websites that work reliably
01:39 reptilian_thrills; even tr, lol, i wont say what laughable problem it has
01:39 reptilian_thrills; ariadne probably knows, its not a security issue, she wouldnt care
01:39 reptilian_thrills; but its got issues too
01:40 reptilian_thrills; if they bothered her or roy one of them would have it fixed
01:40 reptilian_thrills; like i said, its not a security issue, its a usability issue
01:40 reptilian_thrills; and its not the silly cert thing. i dont care about that more than roy does (not in this instance)
01:42 reptilian_thrills; the web was cool in the 90s, so was the linux kernel
01:42 reptilian_thrills; the linux kernel isnt modern
01:42 reptilian_thrills; reliable kernels should be in a reliable museum
01:43 reptilian_thrills; linus should be in an idiot douchebag museum
01:43 reptilian_thrills; next to tim berners-lee
01:43 reptilian_thrills; next to the guys that made the last several captchas
01:44 reptilian_thrills; next to trump, just so you know which museum it is
01:44 reptilian_thrills; im not saying biden is a significant improvement. if he was, he wouldnt have gotten elected
01:45 reptilian_thrills; actually they already have an idiot douchebag museum, its called the senate
01:45 reptilian_thrills; so just make timbl a senator along with linus
01:45 AdmFubar1; https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2022/11/07/twitter_recalls_staff/
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01:45 reptilian_thrills; voila
01:45 TR Bot; Twitter asks staff to come back after 'accidental' layoff The Register
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02:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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02:40 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-071122.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-071122.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-071122.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-071122.txt
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02:40 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, November 07, 2022
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02:41 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, November 07, 2022
02:42 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-071122.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-071122.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-071122.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-071122.txt
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02:42 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, November 07, 2022
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02:43 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, November 07, 2022
02:45 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-11-07.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-11-07.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
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03:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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03:25 *schestowitz[TR] back
03:25 schestowitz[TR]; https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2022/11/07/twitter_recalls_staff/
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03:25 schestowitz[TR]; <reptilian_thrills> voila
03:25 schestowitz[TR]; -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- www.theregister.com | Twitter asks staff to come back after 'accidental' layoff The Registe
03:25 schestowitz[TR]; Andrew Lee!!
03:28 MinceR; :>
03:33 TR News; "The second-largest funder is the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which provides 9.8% of the WHO's funds" https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/11/08/social-control-media-censorship-and-who/
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03:33 TR Bot; Blog Archive Social Control Media Censorship and WHO
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03:35 TR News; Coburg, Prince Alfred and Queen Victoria in more detail https://danielpocock.com/coburg-alfred-victoria/ Source: Daniel Pocock | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//danielpocock.com/coburg-alfred-victoria/
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03:35 TR Bot; Coburg, Prince Alfred and Queen Victoria in more detail
03:35 TR News; Listening devices inside the kitchen https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/amazon-echo-show-15-smart-display/
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03:35 TR Bot; Save $80 on an Amazon Echo Show 15 Smart Display - Make Tech Easier
03:38 TR News; Firewalld in Examples: A Complete Beginners Guide https://linuxiac.com/firewalld-in-examples/ Source: Linuxiac | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxiac.com/firewalld-in-examples/
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03:38 TR Bot; Firewalld in Examples: A Complete Beginners Guide
03:39 TR News; Microsoft boosters googlebomb 'Linux' again to promote proprietary spyware ("Teams")
03:43 TR News; Social Control Media Censorship and WHO https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/11/08/social-control-media-censorship-and-who/
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03:44 TR News; Today (Tuesday) we shall see how many deaths in the UK we have for the week and how those compare to pre-COVID levels. Each week it has been getting a lot worse lately.
03:46 TR News; SUSE promoting proprietary SAP and clown computing (surveillance, rental rather than control) https://www.suse.com/c/say-goodbye-to-downtime-for-your-sap-landscape-on-aws/
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03:46 TR Bot; Goodbye to Downtime for Your SAP Landscape on AWS | SUSE Communities
03:47 TR News; Native Messaging Support Arrives in Stable Version of Firefox Snap - OMG! Ubuntu! https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/11/firefox-snap-native-messaging-take-two Source: OMG Ubuntu | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/11/firefox-snap-native-messaging-take-two
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03:47 TR Bot; Native Messaging Support Arrives in Stable Version of Firefox Snap - OMG! Ubuntu!
03:48 TR News; Mozilla: "if you have any suggestions for improvements, please open an issue." POINTS TO PROPRIETARY MICROSOFT!!! Shame on Mozilla. Source: Mozilla | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.mozilla.org/performance/2022/11/07/understanding-performance-impact/
03:48 MinceR; they don't care about improvements anyway
03:49 MinceR; they started down the way in the opposite direction long ago
03:49 TR News; Mozilla uses to be competent enough to know something about Web autonomy. It used bugzilla and didn't outsource to proprietary Microsoft prisons.
03:49 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: years
03:50 TR News; Strange Bedfellows: Why Advocates From Across the Spectrum Still Oppose the JCPA - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/strange-bedfellows-why-advocates-still-oppose-the-jcpa/ Source: Public Knowledge | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//publicknowledge.org/strange-bedfellows-why-advocates-still-oppose-the-jcpa/
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03:50 TR Bot; Strange Bedfellows: Why Advocates From Across the Spectrum Still Oppose the JCPA - Public Knowledge
03:52 TR News; "The twenty-third edition will take place Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th February 2023 in Brussels, Belgium." http://www.laura.community/2022/11/07/fosdem-2023-in-person-community-devroom-call-for-participation/
03:52 TR Bot; FOSDEM 2023 In Person Community DevRoom Call for Participation! | Laura's Blog
03:53 TR News; Michael Larabel once again shilling Clear Linux, which nobody uses. The only sites covering Clear Linux are PAID BY INTEL.
03:58 TR News; (NEW): The First Official Ubuntu Unity Flavor Release http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/The_First_Official_Ubuntu_Unity_Flavor_Release.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/The_First_Official_Ubuntu_Unity_Flavor_Release.gmi
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03:58 TR Bot; Tux Machines The First Official Ubuntu Unity Flavor Release
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04:03 TR News; LibreOffice Conference 2022: Impressions from an attendee (and speaker!) https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/11/07/libreoffice-conference-2022-impressions-from-an-attendee-and-speaker/
04:03 TR Bot; LibreOffice Conference 2022: Impressions from an attendee (and speaker!) - The Document Foundation Blog
04:03 TR News; (NEW): Crosswords 0.3.6: 'The Man from G.N.O.M.E' http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Crosswords_0_3_6_The_Man_from_G_N_O_M_E.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Crosswords_0_3_6_The_Man_from_G_N_O_M_E.gmi
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04:04 TR Bot; Tux Machines Crosswords 0.3.6: 'The Man from G.N.O.M.E'
04:04 TR News; Car Free Lifestyle gemini://gemini.cyberbot.space/gemlog/2022-11-07-carfree.gmi
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04:06 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Monday, November 07, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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04:07 TR News; Star Log 2022-11-05 Evening (Fairbanks, AK, US) gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/starlog/20221107-0.gmi
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04:07 reptilian_thrills; /me shows mincer a future that sucks less that still has humans in it
04:07 reptilian_thrills; granted its like 200 years from now
04:08 reptilian_thrills; /me hopes it doesnt take that long
04:08 TR News; "On Twitter, an ex-Twitter engineer called Steve Krenzel talk about his job and we can infer that its not different from Google/Facebook/Microsoft." gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/2022-11-07-software-engineers-responsibility.gmi
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04:08 TR News; Run gemini://tilde.team/~aprilnightk/gemlog/2022/11/07-run.gmi
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04:09 reptilian_thrills; it doesnt bother me when people hope for a better future. youre supposed to do that
04:09 reptilian_thrills; what gets me is when people pretend things dont suck now
04:09 reptilian_thrills; like, how?
04:09 TR News; Enjoying Hummel gemini://freeshell.de/gemlog/2022-11-07_Enjoying_Hummel.gmi
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04:09 reptilian_thrills; its not going to get better if everyone pretends everythings fine
04:10 reptilian_thrills; i mean theyre siding with kanye on reality. how can that be a winning move
04:10 TR News; Music recommendations (and how I generated them) gemini://rulmer.xyz/songmem.gmi
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04:10 reptilian_thrills; people who think everythings fine should have to wear those crazy $600 shoes
04:11 reptilian_thrills; /me would wear the cheap knockoffs though
04:11 TR News; "As software engineers, we have a huge moral responsibility. We are not only implementing it, we are ourselves using those tools and letting our family and children using them." gemini://ploum.be/2022-11-07-software-engineers-responsibility.gmi
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04:11 reptilian_thrills; partly because they piss kanye off
04:11 reptilian_thrills; also because i think its hilarious that he made $600 crocs basically
04:12 reptilian_thrills; "we need to put crocs and jordans in the fly chamber and see what happens"
04:12 TR News; Persistence of Memory gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-11-07.memory.gmi
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04:12 reptilian_thrills; 50 million dollars later holy shit what
04:12 reptilian_thrills; dont blame me i was high as fuck
04:12 reptilian_thrills; elon: "i like them"
04:13 reptilian_thrills; "we need to put crocs and jordans in the fly chamber and see what happens" <- this also explains the tech industry in a way
04:13 schestowitz[TR]; I don't quite follow the latest, but
04:13 schestowitz[TR]; seems we have a deja vu:
04:13 schestowitz[TR]; musk: i want to buy twitter
04:13 schestowitz[TR]; i don't want to buy twitter
04:13 schestowitz[TR]; they are suing me
04:13 reptilian_thrills; maybe there are two musks
04:13 reptilian_thrills; like in fight club
04:13 schestowitz[TR]; I might get subpoenaed
04:13 reptilian_thrills; and one is tyler durden
04:14 schestowitz[TR]; f*ck it, I will need to buy this boyt farm after all
04:14 schestowitz[TR]; musk: i will sakc 75% fo staff
04:14 schestowitz[TR]; staff sues
04:14 schestowitz[TR]; ok, f*ck it, come back people
04:14 schestowitz[TR]; I "accidentally" fired you
04:14 reptilian_thrills; i think there are two elon musks
04:14 reptilian_thrills; and other one is trying to kill him
04:14 schestowitz[TR]; either way, it's killing the company
04:14 schestowitz[TR]; and it kills him financial stake's worth
04:14 reptilian_thrills; you make it sound like a bad thing
04:15 schestowitz[TR]; he bought himmself a bot farm
04:15 reptilian_thrills; clerks covered this... in clerks
04:15 schestowitz[TR]; 13 BILLION in company debt
04:15 schestowitz[TR]; and staff he says he does not need and yet MUST pay
04:15 schestowitz[TR]; so the price was wrong
04:15 reptilian_thrills; boyt farm is going to be the next boy band, but instead of autotune its 100% hey hi
04:15 schestowitz[TR]; and the products was a botfarm
04:15 reptilian_thrills; no human vocals at all
04:15 reptilian_thrills; just vocoders
04:15 schestowitz[TR]; HEY HI like "Tay"
04:16 schestowitz[TR]; from Microsoft
04:16 schestowitz[TR]; the "racist" HEY HI
04:16 schestowitz[TR]; clippy on twitter
04:16 reptilian_thrills; racist because they gave it nothing but ibm memos from the 1930s
04:17 TR News; Linux Foundation has been very very very very quiet lately. Weird.
04:17 reptilian_thrills; "hey it looks like youre a welfare queen trying to get pregnant so you can apply for more money, can i help?"
04:17 reptilian_thrills; goddamnit tay, there are enough of you on faux news
04:17 TR News; Mashing Up CXL And OpenCAPI For Shared Disaggregated Memory https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/11/07/mashing-up-cxl-and-opencapi-for-shared-disaggregated-memory/ Source: The Next Platform | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.nextplatform.com/2022/11/07/mashing-up-cxl-and-opencapi-for-shared-disaggregated-memory/
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04:17 TR Bot; Mashing Up CXL And OpenCAPI For Shared Disaggregated Memory
04:18 reptilian_thrills; clerks covered this... in clerks <- basically if youre at twitter or facebook
04:18 reptilian_thrills; youre working on the death star
04:18 TR News; "ransomware incident" = probably Microsoft Windows https://thehackernews.com/2022/11/medibank-refuses-to-pay-ransom-after-97.html
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04:18 TR Bot; Medibank Refuses to Pay Ransom After 9.7 Million Customers Exposed in Ransomware Hack
04:18 reptilian_thrills; if the rebels, yknow... too bad
04:19 reptilian_thrills; if musk buys the death star and it collapses out of some kind of death star suicide
04:19 reptilian_thrills; thats like too bad
04:19 reptilian_thrills; granted, im totally in favour of programs that help people who are leaving twitter in droves
04:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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04:20 reptilian_thrills; but im not in favour of propping up twitter because if feel bad for the people there
04:20 reptilian_thrills; i dont
04:20 TR News; "The operator of a ransomware blog, which was formerly used by the REvil gang, claims that data from Australia's Medibank Group will be posted on the dark web in 24 hours." https://itwire.com/security/ransomware-group-threatens-to-post-medibank-data-on-dark-web.html
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04:20 TR Bot; - Ransomware group threatens to post Medibank data on dark web
04:22 TR News; "Data leaks are extremely prominent in the cyber world due to lack of proper or adequate security implementation. Securing databases is an essential practice to ensure that consequences such as data loss to even unauthorized access or system downtime is avoided." https://linuxsecurity.com/features/linux-database-security-tips
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04:22 TR Bot; Database Security Tips | LinuxSecurity.com
04:22 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: musk is dying
04:22 schestowitz[TR]; I saw him before the hair plugs
04:22 schestowitz[TR]; he's a death STAR
04:24 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-r5ULxo4WD0
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04:24 TR Bot; [MV] Apink() _ Cause you're my star( ) - Invidious
04:24 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> reptilian_thrills: musk is dying <- you realise this meme is intended to mock you though
04:24 TR News; No more updates for nodejs14, below in Leap 15.4 - openSUSE News https://news.opensuse.org/2022/11/07/nodejs14-eol-leap/ Source: Yahoo News | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//news.opensuse.org/2022/11/07/nodejs14-eol-leap/
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04:24 TR Bot; No more updates for nodejs14, below in Leap 15.4 - openSUSE News
04:25 reptilian_thrills; i mean its a pretty laughable bias
04:25 schestowitz[TR]; everyone is dying
04:25 reptilian_thrills; "things i hate are dying, things i like are going to be fine no matter how long theyve been dying"
04:25 schestowitz[TR]; just depends how quickly
04:25 reptilian_thrills; perhaps
04:25 reptilian_thrills; maybe everything is immortal and respawns in a parallel dimension
04:25 reptilian_thrills; we dont really know
04:26 reptilian_thrills; from the perspective of this corner of the cosmos youre probably right. maybe.
04:26 reptilian_thrills; maybe everything is immortal and respawns in a parallel dimension <- hopefully not github and twitter
04:26 reptilian_thrills; id really like those to stay dead
04:27 schestowitz[TR]; "It's dead, Jim" < that's what she said
04:28 schestowitz[TR]; "Alexa, order my husband more viagra"
04:33 TR News; Usama Jawad the latest Microsoft booster to googlebomb "Linux" to promote malware of Microsoft. Also uses a banner that says Microsoft LOVES... what it is ATTACKING
04:35 TR News; Debian messing about with its site's 'blog' tonight, but it's not clear what they changed, only that things changed. Needs some further probing.
04:35 TR News; US makes biggest bitcoin seizure from man who stole from Silk Road https://itwire.com/security/us-makes-biggest-bitcoin-seizure-from-man-who-stole-from-silk-road.html
04:35 TR Bot; - US makes biggest bitcoin seizure from man who stole from Silk Road
04:36 TR News; "5G" hype/bullshit/spam https://itwire.com/telecoms-and-nbn/auckland-university-business-school-opens-5g-powered-tech-hub.html
04:36 TR Bot; - Auckland University Business School opens 5G-powered tech hub
04:36 TR News; Obligatory marketing spam will ruin what's left of itwire
04:38 TR News; (NEW): GStreamer 1.21.2 unstable development release http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/GStreamer_1_21_2_unstable_development_release.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/GStreamer_1_21_2_unstable_development_release.gmi
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04:38 TR Bot; Tux Machines GStreamer 1.21.2 unstable development release
04:38 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/today_s_howtos.gmi
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04:38 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
04:39 TR News; "T-Head Semiconductor mentioned that the XuanTie C908 is offered in two architectures: RV32GCB[V] (32-bit) and RV64GCB[V] (64-bit). Moreover, the C908s performance vs cost is in between the C910 and the C906 processors. The company expects the C908 to target image and video processing applications." https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-news-from-t-head-semiconductor-and-sifive/
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04:39 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-news-from-t-head-semiconductor-and-sifive/ )
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04:46 psydruid; "Also, its dynamic power consumption was estimated to be 52.8 mW/GHz per core."
04:47 psydruid; this is very low, so ideal for a desktop or laptop
04:48 schestowitz[TR]; so it won't run on AAA batteries ;-)
04:49 TR News; (NEW): Security and Breaches http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Security_and_Breaches.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Security_and_Breaches.gmi
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04:49 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security and Breaches
04:49 TR News; (NEW): Events: LibreOffice Conference 2022 and FOSDEM 2023 In Person http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Events_LibreOffice_Conference_2022_and_FOSDEM_2023_In_Person.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Events_LibreOffice_Conference_2022_and_FOSDEM_2023_In_Person.gmi
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04:49 TR Bot; Tux Machines Events: LibreOffice Conference 2022 and FOSDEM 2023 In Person
04:51 TR News; (NEW): Understanding Performance Impact in Firefox and Native Messaging Support http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Understanding_Performance_Impact_in_Firefox_and_Native_Messagin.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Understanding_Performance_Impact_in_Firefox_and_Native_Messagin.gmi
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04:51 TR Bot; Tux Machines Understanding Performance Impact in Firefox and Native Messaging Support
04:52 TR News; (NEW): Best Cryptocurrency Wallets for Ubuntu and Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Best_Cryptocurrency_Wallets_for_Ubuntu_and_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Best_Cryptocurrency_Wallets_for_Ubuntu_and_Linux.gmi
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04:52 TR Bot; Tux Machines Best Cryptocurrency Wallets for Ubuntu and Linux
04:56 reptilian_thrills; so it won't run on AAA batteries <- how many
04:56 reptilian_thrills; you can connect aaa in both parallel and serial
04:57 schestowitz[TR]; some old portable TVs used batteries
04:57 schestowitz[TR]; but much bigger ones
04:57 reptilian_thrills; parallel increases amperage and serial increases voltage
04:57 schestowitz[TR]; and bulky, in bulk
04:57 reptilian_thrills; a 9v battery like the one that is low enough to constantly beep in your videos actually has 6 1.5 v cells inside it
04:58 reptilian_thrills; 1.5 * 6 = 9 (1.5v is the typical voltage of the most conventional battery cells)
04:58 reptilian_thrills; (not including li-ion since i dont know a fuck of a lot about rechargeables)
04:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
05:02 TR News; tuesday ONS numbers for England and Wales expected to show 20% increase in deaths while media intentionally keeps quiet about it
05:03 TR News; Social control media SUSPENDS people for stating OBVIOUS FACTS about COVID-19 (if those facts are not convenient) http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/twitter-censorship-bingo/
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05:03 TR Bot; Twitter Has Just Suspended the President of FFII for Naming Bill Gates Patent Profiteering and Factual Information About Twitter Censorship (Updated) | Techrights
05:03 TR News; (NEW): Gemini Articles of Interest http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Gemini_Articles_of_Interest.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Gemini_Articles_of_Interest.gmi
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05:03 TR Bot; Tux Machines Gemini Articles of Interest
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05:13 TR News; Links 08/11/2022: New Zenwalk Current ISO and Krita 5.1.3 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/08/krita-5-1-3/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/08/krita-5-1-3/
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05:13 TR Bot; Links 08/11/2022: New Zenwalk Current ISO and Krita 5.1.3 | Techrights
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05:14 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Programming_Leftovers.gmi
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05:14 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
05:14 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/today_s_leftovers.gmi
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05:14 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
05:15 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Disney complained to Reddit and got the DISCUSSION of a fan edit of The Rise of Skywalker removed.
05:16 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/fanedits/comments/ju4wol/the_rise_of_skywalker_ascendant_now_finished/
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05:16 TR Bot; The Rise Of Skywalker: Ascendant - NOW FINISHED : fanedits
05:16 schestowitz[TR]; this is what reddit is for
05:16 DaemonFC; "Sorry, this post was removed by Reddit's Legal Operations team.
05:16 DaemonFC; This content was removed in response to a copyright claim by a third party."
05:16 schestowitz[TR]; it's all about the censorship
05:16 schestowitz[TR]; "Reddit's Legal Operations"
05:16 schestowitz[TR]; caps
05:16 schestowitz[TR]; like it's LegalOps
05:16 DaemonFC; There weren't any links to the torrents, so what infringed?
05:16 schestowitz[TR]; like a real job
05:16 DaemonFC; The discussion that there's one out there somewhere?
05:17 mjg59_; It's all about adhering to the DMCA, which requires you to remove content
05:17 DaemonFC; It doesn't infringe for me to tell you there's a fan edit called The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
05:17 mjg59_; You're correct
05:17 reptilian_thrills; /me wonders what got dmcad this time
05:18 DaemonFC; Or that there's a torrent out there.
05:18 mjg59_; But fun fact! Making use of the DMCA safe harbor protection laws means you don't get to make that call
05:18 mjg59_; You have to take down on request, and restore if the original poster files a counterclaim
05:18 mjg59_; If you don't, you lose the safe harbor protections
05:18 mjg59_; It'd bad law
05:18 reptilian_thrills; clinton-era
05:18 DaemonFC; It seems like what actually happened is Reddit removes something and then says "It's our site, so you can't make a counter-claim.".
05:19 reptilian_thrills; clinton dynasty LOVES disney
05:19 mjg59_; It's a combination of things
05:19 reptilian_thrills; i thought bush was at fault originally
05:19 mjg59_; Yes, it's Clinton-era law, and it turns out a lot of bad law passed then
05:19 reptilian_thrills; but its actually from before bush
05:19 mjg59_; But it's actually a legacy of WIPO negotiations
05:19 TR News; "Mastodon usage explodes in the wake of Musk ruining Twitter, HEY HI training fair use is about to be legally tested, Signal tries to be Snapchat, KDE Korner, and more." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-202/
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05:19 DaemonFC; Clinton was a shyster and a Bubba.
05:19 TR Bot; Late Night Linux Episode 202 Late Night Linux
05:19 mjg59_; So basically everyone had to implement something equivalent, otherwise they might end up with WIPO sanctions
05:19 reptilian_thrills; "i took the initiative, of hobbling the freedom of the internet"-- al gore
05:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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05:20 DaemonFC; Liked sticking his cigars in women and flying around with Epstein to do who knows what with little girls.
05:20 DaemonFC; Like Bill Gates did.
05:20 schestowitz[TR]; wipo is corruption, should be abolished
05:20 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/wiki/WIPO
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05:20 TR Bot; WIPO - Techrights
05:20 reptilian_thrills; it's actually a legacy of WIPO negotiations <- as was software becoming copyrightable in 1980 (legislated in 1976 law but didnt go into effect until 4 years later)
05:20 schestowitz[TR]; and heads of it, like gurry, prosecuted
05:20 reptilian_thrills; also in 1976: copyright becomes the default (blame wipo)
05:20 schestowitz[TR]; it's also staining the un
05:20 schestowitz[TR]; much like WHO
05:20 schestowitz[TR]; UN itself will perish
05:20 DaemonFC; I'm not actually sure why a lot of rich men are pedos except maybe to openly flaunt that they'll break any laws they want, including those laws.
05:20 schestowitz[TR]; if it persists with these corporate associations
05:20 reptilian_thrills; /me thinks roy is just making fun of himself now
05:20 schestowitz[TR]; same for EU with UPC, EPO..
05:21 reptilian_thrills; united nations is dying
05:21 schestowitz[TR]; yeah ;-)
05:21 reptilian_thrills; but this is what you actually do
05:21 DaemonFC; Anyway, DMCA talk reminds me that I need to renew my VPN.
05:21 DaemonFC; Which throws those in the trash.
05:21 reptilian_thrills; you take everything you think is bad (it very often is) and you say its dying, losing money etc
05:21 DaemonFC; (Where they belong.)
05:21 reptilian_thrills; then you take everything you like (even if its suffering REALLY badly) and you say ITLL BE FINE
05:21 reptilian_thrills; theyre recovering
05:21 mjg59_; Roy still hasn't explained why he works for a company that took money from the MoD
05:21 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: I was right about twitter dying, fb dying..
05:21 reptilian_thrills; doing everytyhing they can (when theyre not) etc
05:22 reptilian_thrills; I was right about twitter dying, fb dying <- yes they dont exist anymore
05:22 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: before I was there
05:22 schestowitz[TR]; many clients are historic
05:22 reptilian_thrills; you said twitter would die and i said it would get purchased as a vanity project by some douchebag
05:22 schestowitz[TR]; company formed 1998
05:22 schestowitz[TR]; I was 16
05:22 reptilian_thrills; im too amuse to care who won that one
05:22 reptilian_thrills; amused
05:22 mjg59_; Pretty sure IBM's involvement with the Nazi regime predates anyone who still works there
05:23 schestowitz[TR]; I didn't say you worked with nazis
05:23 schestowitz[TR]; only that you had worked with red hat
05:23 schestowitz[TR]; and red hat is now screwed
05:23 mjg59_; No, but you keep bringing up IBM's involvement with the naxis
05:23 schestowitz[TR]; and staff is fleeing
05:23 schestowitz[TR]; some to spare themselves
05:23 reptilian_thrills; nazi germany is dying
05:23 mjg59_; So it seems fair to bring up Sirius's involvement with the MoD
05:23 reptilian_thrills; (i wish it would stay dead though)
05:23 schestowitz[TR]; it never died
05:23 reptilian_thrills; we can do more trials!
05:24 schestowitz[TR]; the mindset is till there
05:24 reptilian_thrills; it never died <- i kno
05:24 schestowitz[TR]; *still
05:24 reptilian_thrills; im a big fan of the nuremberg trials. i used to be related to someone who interrogated (original) nazis
05:25 TR News; "Not much has happened other than planning a trip and playing Guild Wars 2. My ex-employer still owes me $65.44 for mileage, and I am just petty enough to hound them over it. I'll give it a little more time (i.e. until about Thursday) and then get after them for it." gemini://eph.smol.pub/1667852164
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05:26 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: NASA?
05:26 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> Pretty sure IBM's involvement with the Nazi regime predates anyone who still works there
05:27 DaemonFC; You'd be wrong actually.
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05:27 reptilian_thrills; this wasnt cancel culture for wearing the wrong kind of hair, this was investigating actual war crimes to find out whether someone needed to be killed for their part in the reich
05:27 reptilian_thrills; NASA? <- obviously everyony (afaik) that went through project paperclip "escaped" justice
05:27 DaemonFC; It turns out that Fallout: New Vegas was just a cover story so that people would say that you were a conspiracy theorist if you said there was a guy on a life support machine that's over 150 years old in IBM's basement.
05:27 DaemonFC; Ripping off a video game.
05:28 reptilian_thrills; i have mixed feelings about that, but i do call it the nazi aeronautics and space administration
05:28 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: the nazi schmazis
05:28 reptilian_thrills; which cant be fair to everyone there
05:28 reptilian_thrills; i dont consider buzz aldrin a nazi
05:28 reptilian_thrills; but i have a pretty negative view of some of the decisions nasa made
05:29 DaemonFC; The US never had to cover up the fact that it scooped up Nazis right out of the SS and put them to work in the US government.
05:29 reptilian_thrills; maybe they did the right thing. im not sure how, but it might take more imagination than i have
05:29 schestowitz[TR]; oh, Aldrin is still alive
05:29 DaemonFC; It just doesn't teach that (along with many other things) to school kids.
05:29 DaemonFC; Teaches them about "trans history" or some shit.
05:29 reptilian_thrills; and hes an okay guy imo
05:29 reptilian_thrills; even if hes a republican
05:29 reptilian_thrills; i wouldnt vote for a republican, but i dont hate all of them
05:29 schestowitz[TR];
05:29 schestowitz[TR]; Gemini was 1960s
05:29 DaemonFC; I already voted for Darren Bailey for Governor of Illinois.
05:29 reptilian_thrills; apollo 11 was also 1960s
05:30 reptilian_thrills; just made it
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05:30 DaemonFC; I strongly disagree with his politics, but I also think he'll end whatever parts of the COVID "emergency order" are still out there.
05:30 reptilian_thrills; i wanna say july 69
05:30 DaemonFC; Where Pritzker claims his "unlimited power" comes from.
05:30 reptilian_thrills; idk if it was july
05:30 DaemonFC; I also voted for a Republican for the vacancy coming up on the Illinois Supreme Court.
05:30 reptilian_thrills; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11
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05:30 TR Bot; Apollo 11 - Wikipedia
05:31 DaemonFC; Mostly because I expect them to strike down the FOID Act shortly after.
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05:31 DaemonFC; The FOID Act is not only an affront to our constitutional rights, it's also not working.
05:31 TR News; Form and File: estimating running form in R - quantixed https://quantixed.org/2022/11/05/form-and-file-estimating-running-form-in-r/ Source: R | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//quantixed.org/2022/11/05/form-and-file-estimating-running-form-in-r/
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05:31 DaemonFC; Illinois, actually pretty much just Chicago, is the most violent place in America.
05:31 TR Bot; Form and File: estimating running form in R quantixed
05:32 DaemonFC; Despite the FOID Act.
05:32 DaemonFC; Because they don't buy their guns from the FOID retailers. They get them out of a car trunk or a 3d printer, and then the police arrest good guys and charge them with crimes instead.
05:32 TR News; Map any region in the world with R - Part II: Obtaining the coordinates https://blog.rwhitedwarf.com/post/map_any_region_with_ggplot2_part_ii/ Source: R with White Dwarf | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.rwhitedwarf.com/post/map_any_region_with_ggplot2_part_ii/
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05:32 TR Bot; Map any region in the world with R - Part II: Obtaining the coordinates | R with White Dwarf
05:33 DaemonFC; Only a complete fucking idiot would think that amending the FOID Act to check your social media page will work when the people who have the guns who shouldn't have them are already in violation of the FOID Act.
05:33 TR News; Greenwashing and securitywashing mass surveillance https://staceyoniot.com/smart-cities-should-focus-on-sustainability-not-safety/
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05:33 TR Bot; Smart cities should focus on sustainability not safety - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis
05:34 DaemonFC; I would absolutely sue over the FOID Act, except that a court may dismiss it for lack of standing.
05:34 DaemonFC; There are people filing lawsuits over it that have more standing than "I don't like that it took the police 180 days to give me one.".
05:35 reptilian_thrills; i wanna say july 69 <- july 16
05:35 DaemonFC; There's people in "technical" non-compliance with it who face criminal charges. Jail time, even.
05:35 TR News; Use data from Openstreetmap http://r.iresmi.net/2022/11/05/import-streets-from-openstreetmap/
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05:35 TR Bot; data from Openstreetmap r.iresmi.net
05:35 DaemonFC; And they're already suing in the Forever Lawsuit.
05:35 DaemonFC; Because the Democrats on the Supreme Court know what the correct outcome is and keep finding ways to send it back to the trial court so they can delay.
05:35 reptilian_thrills; thats probably the date of the launch, not the landing
05:36 reptilian_thrills; landing was maybe the 24th
05:36 TR News; Researchers Show How Network Pruning Can Skew Deep Learning Models | NC State News https://news.ncsu.edu/2022/11/network-pruning-skews-deep-learning/ Source: NC State | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//news.ncsu.edu/2022/11/network-pruning-skews-deep-learning/
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05:36 TR Bot; Researchers Show How Network Pruning Can Skew Deep Learning Models | NC State News
05:36 DaemonFC; Amazingly, the Illinois State Rifle Association is sponsoring a black woman who got charged with the FOID Act for defending her home.
05:36 TR News; Planet killer asteroids nearly a mile long detected after being hidden by the sun's brightness usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/11/01/planet-killer-asteroids-near-earth/10657903002/ Source: Yarmo Machenbach | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/11/01/planet-killer-asteroids-near-earth/10657903002/
05:37 DaemonFC; The judge ruled that since she technically would have qualified for a card and the reason she was convicted of a Class A Misdemeanor was that she didn't pay $10 to exercise a constitutional right, that the law is unconstitutional as it applies to people in her situation.
05:38 DaemonFC; This sort of reminds me of that time Indiana got the original Voter ID law struck down as an illegal poll tax because they didn't give you a State ID for free, and one was required to vote.
05:38 DaemonFC; So you can tell them you need it to vote and they have to give it to you for free now. They won't tell you that.
05:39 psydruid; corporations such as IBM are people too
05:39 psydruid; Nazi people actually
05:39 schestowitz[TR]; people are corporations, my MinceR
05:40 TR News; 2000: ipv6 is the future. 2022: https://www.tecmint.com/disable-ipv6-rhel-rocky-almalinux/
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05:40 TR Bot; How to Disable or Enable IPv6 in RHEL, Rocky & AlmaLinux
05:41 TR News; speedysense has just posted WEBSPAM (check links!). Sites that USED to cover GNU/Linux literally turn into SPAMFARMS https://speedysense.com/tips-for-web-designers/
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05:41 TR Bot; Top 7 Tips and Lesson Need to Know for Every Web Designers
05:46 TR News; Gammath SPOT version 8.1 (beta) released on 7 November 2022 https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Gammath_SPOT https://pypi.org/project/gammath-spot/
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05:46 TR Bot; Gammath SPOT - Free Software Directory
05:46 TR Bot; gammath-spot PyPI
05:47 TR News; Why is this back-doored Windows garbage covered in a 'Linux' site? It keeps happening, sometimes for purely financial reasons (the Windows pushers paying for these 'plugs') https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/11/08/t8-pro-celeron-n5095-mini-pc-offers-triple-hdmi-output-dual-gigabit-ethernet/
05:47 TR Bot; T8-Pro Celeron N5095 mini PC offers triple HDMI output, dual Gigabit Ethernet - CNX Software
05:50 TR News; Everyone should quit twitter immediately https://www.matuzo.at/blog/2022/your-account-is-permanently-suspended/
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05:50 TR Bot; Your account is permanently suspended - Manuel Matuzovi
05:51 TR News; One of the worst aspects of being "on" Twitter is that those who CROSS-post there begin to SELF-censor in OTHER platforms too, based on the MASTERS of Twitter, which include Bill Gates
05:52 TR News; (NEW): Apt++? Nala is Like Apt in Ubuntu but Better http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Apt_Nala_is_Like_Apt_in_Ubuntu_but_Better.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Apt_Nala_is_Like_Apt_in_Ubuntu_but_Better.gmi
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05:52 TR Bot; Tux Machines Apt++? Nala is Like Apt in Ubuntu but Better
05:52 TR News; Vi kings https://lunduke.substack.com/p/ever-notice-how-many-linux-nerds
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05:52 TR Bot; Ever notice how many Linux nerds are Scandinavian?
05:53 TR News; "Superannuation lurks and perks are now so large they are nearing the entire cost of Australias aged pension, and Budget 2022 adds just a little bonus to the suite of Baby Boomer bonuses." https://michaelwest.com.au/boomer-bonus-downsizer-the-only-budget-item-of-superannuation-substance/
05:53 TR Bot; Boomer Bonus: "Downsizer" the only Budget item of superannuation substance - Michael West
05:54 reptilian_thrills; not a problem ive ever had and the solution looks risky but this is cool https://yewtu.be/watch?v=N0dH4c4t5Tw
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05:54 TR Bot; How to Remove Dead Bugs Inside Your Computer Monitor (Without Taking Screen Apart) - Invidious
05:54 TR News; Emoji for U.S. presidents https://blog.plover.com/2022/10/31#presidential-emoji
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05:54 TR Bot; The Universe of Discourse : Emoji for U.S. presidents
05:57 TR News; John Gruber is helping Apple LIE. Demand for Apple crap has fallen sales have plunged. Let's blame "COVID"... https://daringfireball.net/linked/2022/11/07/iphone-14-covid
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05:57 TR Bot; Daring Fireball: Chinese COVID-19 Restrictions Now Affecting Shipments of iPhones 14 Pro and Pro Max
05:58 TR News; "The Gates Foundation invited me to speak at their annual #Goalkeepers2030 event and I could only show up in that space if I challenged it." They try to bribe EVERYONE. https://neritam.wordpress.com/2022/11/06/billionaires-shouldnt-exist/
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05:58 TR Bot; Billionaires shouldnt exist neritam
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06:00 TR News; "A convincing book which I found to be a bit irritating." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/11/book-review-the-language-hoax-john-h-mcwhorter/
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06:00 TR Bot; Book Review: The Language Hoax John H. McWhorter Terence Edens Blog
06:02 TR News; "This year I once again participated to Inktober, the yearly challenge where you draw one drawing a day each day of October. The Inktober web site provides a "prompt list": a list of words for each day, which you can (but are not forced to) follow." https://agateau.com/
06:02 TR Bot; agateau.com
06:03 TR News; "Ladybird web browser now can run Linux in a PC emulator in Javascript" https://lunduke.substack.com/p/lundukes-weird-computing-news-nov
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06:03 TR Bot; Lunduke's Weird Computing News - Nov 6, 2022
06:08 TR News; "If the distribution's installer picks a separate /boot filesystem, it should get things like the size and the filesystem type correct (ie, big enough for the distribution's future needs, and of a type that the distribution will make sure its bootloaders always support)." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/SeparateBootMostlyNot
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06:08 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/SeparateBootMostlyNot
06:09 TR News; "Looked at numerically, a lot of our 18.04 machines were in our SLURM cluster" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/Ubuntu1804UpgradeWaveFine
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06:09 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/Ubuntu1804UpgradeWaveFine
06:11 TR News; Boston-based quantum computer https://www.reuters.com/technology/boston-based-quantum-computer-quera-joins-amazons-cloud-public-access-2022-11-01/
06:11 TR Bot; quantum computer QuEra joins Amazon's cloud for public access | Reuters
06:12 TR News; CISA is STILL using "Log4j" for FUD https://eponymouspickle.blogspot.com/2022/11/supply-chain-securement.html
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06:12 TR Bot; The Eponymous Pickle: Supply Chain Securement
06:13 TR News; Lack of response -> more spread -> more SALES to make https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/20/us/politics/covid-data-outbreaks.html
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06:13 TR Bot; Lack of Data Still Blunts U.S. Response to Outbreaks - The New York Times
06:14 TR News; Pamela Samuelson https://cacm.acm.org/opinion/articles/265813-an-emergent-legal-right-to-repair-electronic-devices/abstract
06:14 TR Bot; An Emergent Legal Right to Repair Electronic Devices | Opinion | Communications of the ACM
06:14 TR News; "Eight days into Musks ownership of Twitter, many pundits have begun to predict that this is the beginning of the end. No one can quite imagine a world without Twitter, but no one can quite imagine this version of Twitter surviving, either." https://www.platformer.news/p/twitter-cut-in-half
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06:15 TR Bot; Twitter, cut in half - by Casey Newton and Zo Schiffer
06:15 TR News; "But if he just brings them back, and lets them go on leading conspiracies and hate mobs, he will have caused great harm to the US and Id argue the planet." https://danielmiessler.com/blog/my-prediction-for-twitter/
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06:16 TR Bot; My Prediction For Twitter - Daniel Miessler
06:16 TR News; Algorithm for 2D-to-3D Engineering Integrates Art, Nature and Science - Penn Engineering Blog https://blog.seas.upenn.edu/algorithm-for-2d-to-3d-engineering-integrates-art-nature-and-science/ Source: uni Pennsylvania | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.seas.upenn.edu/algorithm-for-2d-to-3d-engineering-integrates-art-nature-and-science/
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06:16 TR Bot; Algorithm for 2D-to-3D Engineering Integrates Art, Nature and Science - Penn Engineering Blog
06:19 TR News; Nearly One in Ten Americans Reports Having Depression https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news/nearly-one-ten-americans-reports-having-depression
06:19 TR Bot; Nearly One in Ten Americans Reports Having Depression | Columbia Public Health
06:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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06:20 TR News; Why Farmers Oppose the Farm Laws - neritam https://neritam.wordpress.com/2022/11/07/why-farmers-oppose-the-farm-laws/
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06:20 TR Bot; Why Farmers Oppose the Farm Laws neritam
06:38 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], He'll probably end up selling it at a loss.
06:38 DaemonFC; A substantial one.
06:38 DaemonFC; Whether there's anything to recover is to be seen. Do they have patents?
06:42 DaemonFC; Musk's firings were so incompetent that they apparently fired dozens of people "by mistake" or realized that they needed them and have asked them to come back.
06:43 DaemonFC; Firing "half the company" just because "half" sounds right....
06:44 DaemonFC; Then you have mjg59_ and his employer.
06:44 DaemonFC; It keeps innovating ways to lose $11 for every $1 it brings in.
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06:45 DaemonFC; Lots of investors lined up to borrow money and lose it, you know.
06:46 DaemonFC; Which is why San Francisco is shit hitting the fan right now.
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08:38 reptilian_thrills; so hp lovecraft at one point in his life was writing 15-20 articles per day
08:38 reptilian_thrills; actually emails
08:39 reptilian_thrills; actually regular mail
08:40 mjg59_; Shame about all the racism
08:42 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/today_s_howtos.1.gmi
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08:42 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
08:43 reptilian_thrills; oh im not even a fan
08:43 reptilian_thrills; im actually watching chill goblins video on lovecraft right now
08:44 reptilian_thrills; but im having fun thinking of someone else who used to write 15-20 "items" per day
08:45 reptilian_thrills; i have a friend who is farther left than i am who is obsessed with lovecraft
08:45 reptilian_thrills; but who definitely thinks the same way-- just in a leftist way
08:45 reptilian_thrills; for example hes left wing, but also thinks fauci is responsible for not one, but TWO deaths of members of the band queen
08:46 reptilian_thrills; which while those are both tragedies, blaming fauci for either (but especially the more recent one) is sort of adorable?
08:47 reptilian_thrills; /me is very smitten with a girl who went as freddie mercury for halloween
08:47 TR News; Moving past TCP in the data center, part 1 https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/913260/91d14334d26bd267/ | Source: LWN
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08:47 TR Bot; past TCP in the data center, part1 [LWN.net]
08:47 TR News; "A little prep goes a long way Before I learned of random generation, I thought that blorby play was impossible." https://idiomdrottning.org/random | Source: Idiomdrottning
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08:47 TR Bot; The Good and Bad of Random
08:48 TR News; "You won't see this error message from a more recent Linux kernel." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/ZFSNoSnapshotOddError | Source: uni Toronto
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08:48 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/ZFSNoSnapshotOddError
08:49 TR News; ">After having built the reference Linux image from a SoM, SoC or terminal maker and having run it on the board" https://embeddeduse.com/2022/11/07/creating-a-custom-yocto-layer/ | Source: Burkhard Stubert
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08:49 TR Bot; Creating A Custom Yocto Layer Burkhard Stubert
08:50 TR News; "The app has user managed servers. They are themed on country, city or interest gaming, social and more." https://www.livemint.com/technology/apps/mastodon-what-is-it-how-to-use-it-and-more-details-about-twitter-s-alternative-11667883592493.html |
08:50 TR Bot; Mastodon: What is it, how to use it and more details about Twitters alternative | Mint
08:50 TR News; "Whichever Mastodon server(s) you sign up for, however, you can follow users on a different one with no problem." https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/08/mastodon-what-is-it-how-do-i-join-use-find-best-server-list-change-elon-musk-twitter-leaving-social-network-alternative | Source: The Guardian UK
08:50 TR Bot; What is Mastodon, the social network users are leaving Twitter for? Everything you need to know | Twitter | The Guardian
08:50 TR News; "I dont think Mastodon or the fediverse has ever received this much attention before" https://indianexpress.com/article/technology/tech-news-technology/mastodon-struggles-to-keep-up-with-flood-of-twitter-defectors-8255595/ | Source: Indian Express
08:50 TR Bot; Mastodon struggles to keep up with flood of Twitter defectors | Technology News,The Indian Express
08:51 TR News; "Mastodon gives you more control over what you want to see." https://www.androidauthority.com/sign-up-use-mastodon-3232253/ | Source: Android Authority
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08:51 TR Bot; How to sign up and use Mastodon
08:51 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Monday, November 07, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/08/irc-log-071122/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/08/irc-log-071122/
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08:51 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Monday, November 07, 2022 | Techrights
08:55 TR News; "One thing I do extensively is that I use LaTeX to make my slides for college class slides and class assignments." https://arjenwiersma.nl/posts/2022-11-07-cleaning-up-after-lsp/index.html | Source: Arjen Wiersma
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08:55 TR Bot; Cleaning up after LSP-mode
08:58 reptilian_thrills; i also think people should do a comparison of hpl and esr, because, wow
08:58 reptilian_thrills; the more i learn about one the more he reminds me of the other
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09:01 reptilian_thrills; i guess lovecraft would constantly tell his jewish immigrant wife not to invite her jewish friends over because he couldnt tolerate jews or immigrants
09:02 reptilian_thrills; he might have compartmentalised a bit. but then 99% teuton warrors are known for that
09:03 TR News; "Using GIS data directly from data.gouv.fr : railways network of France." https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/11/use-data-from-data-gouv-fr/ | Source: Rlang
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09:04 TR Bot; data from data.gouv.fr | R-bloggers
09:08 TR News; "AI that complements human efforts can increase wages by driving up worker productivity, Brynjolfsson argued." https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/11/ai-should-compliment-and-not-replace-humans-says-stanford-expert/ | Source: Broadband Breakfast
09:08 TR Bot; AI Should Compliment and Not Replace Humans, Says Stanford Expert : Broadband Breakfast
09:08 TR News; [Old] "One step in solving the Advent of Code challenges is to grab the puzzle input." https://arjenwiersma.nl/posts/2021-11-13-Advent-of-Code-Helper/index.html | Source: Arjen Wiersma
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09:08 TR Bot; Emacs Advent of Code helper
09:09 TR News; "Fortran is a language that is specialized for high-performance computing." https://www.matecdev.com/posts/why-fortran-still-used.html |
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09:09 TR Bot; 5 Reasons Why Fortran is Still Used
09:10 MinceR; 08 050757 < reptilian_thrills> granted its like 200 years from now
09:10 MinceR; i don't think humanity has 200 years to get its shit together
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09:12 TR News; [Old] "Combining the interactive nature of Python with the power of C++" https://www.matecdev.com/posts/cpp-call-from-python.html |
=> ↺ https://www.matecdev.com/posts/cpp-call-from-python.html
09:12 TR Bot; How to Call C++ from Python
09:13 schestowitz[TR]; i don't think humanity has 200 years to get its shit together
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; pessimist: Renaissance -> industrial revolution -> neoliberalism -> war -> cannibalism
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; neoliberalism is already a FORM of cannibalism
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; not literally
09:15 schestowitz[TR]; middle ages black plague, nuke ages human plague
09:16 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> not literally <- i mean the donner party proves the lengths starving people will go to
09:16 reptilian_thrills; also i knew mincer was going to say that
09:16 reptilian_thrills; even right after i said it :)
09:17 TR News; ">We used to have ceremonies for leaving jobs." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/11/job-leaving-rituals-in-the-wfh-era/ | Source: Terence Eden
=> ↺ https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/11/job-leaving-rituals-in-the-wfh-era/
09:17 TR Bot; Job leaving rituals in the WFH era Terence Edens Blog
09:17 TR News; "45,000 tech jobs had been eliminated before the cuts at Twitter were announced" https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/11/08/jkfl-n08.html | Source: WSWS
=> ↺ https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/11/08/jkfl-n08.html
09:17 TR Bot; Mass layoffs in tech spread to Meta, corporate parent of Facebook - World Socialist Web Site
09:17 reptilian_thrills; i should point out that people felt the same way about humanity 1000 years ago
09:17 reptilian_thrills; granted scientists make a far more compelling argument
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; maybe for religious reasons
09:18 reptilian_thrills; so thats a point for mincer
09:18 schestowitz[TR]; people who thought that ages ago
09:18 reptilian_thrills; maybe for religious reasons <- right, before it was religious people
09:18 schestowitz[TR]; and also believe in man talks to god, goes up to thew sky
09:18 reptilian_thrills; now its scientists
09:18 schestowitz[TR]; scientists' arguments are very different
09:18 reptilian_thrills; and also believe in man talks to god, goes up to thew sky <- lots of respected and (otherwise?) reasonable people do
09:18 schestowitz[TR]; they look at resources
09:18 MinceR; religious people are helping us bring about the end of times for ourselves :>
09:18 reptilian_thrills; scientists' arguments are very different <- yes but
09:18 schestowitz[TR]; and number of humans that exploded in 100-200 years
09:19 schestowitz[TR]; and they put 2 and 2 together
09:19 reptilian_thrills; scentists also know that the best scientists can be wrong
09:19 schestowitz[TR]; too many people, lack of resoruces to maintain them, more efficient weapons ofdeath
09:19 schestowitz[TR]; inc. biological
09:19 reptilian_thrills; my favourite example is when the scientific community laughed at the wright brothers
09:19 reptilian_thrills; too many people, lack of resoruces to maintain them, more efficient weapons ofdeath <- all reasons that point to mincers conclusion being inevitable
09:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
=> gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi
=> gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi
=> gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
09:20 reptilian_thrills; so its safe to say that if we manage somehow... it will be extraordinary
09:20 schestowitz[TR]; it's a miracle nukes were not used offensitvely since 1945
09:20 MinceR; the weapons wouldn't be a problem of humans weren't so evil
09:20 schestowitz[TR]; we came super-close a lot of times
09:20 schestowitz[TR]; over a dozen
09:21 MinceR; yeah, they should have used a couple on moscow when it became clear that orcs just did what the nazis wanted to do
09:21 reptilian_thrills; im not sure if we really did or you just dont like humanity :)
09:21 schestowitz[TR]; idiots: wars stopped happening because of nukes
09:21 MinceR; then we wouldn't be in this shit now
09:21 schestowitz[TR]; reality: wars do happen
09:21 schestowitz[TR]; and those wars are won more easily by threatening to introduce nukes into them
09:21 reptilian_thrills; yeah, they should have used a couple on moscow <- not again!
09:22 reptilian_thrills; we already nuked moscow in the 1800s
09:22 schestowitz[TR]; one nuke not enough for RUS-Putin?
09:22 reptilian_thrills; /me doesnt even know what that is, heard about it here, chuckled
09:22 MinceR; i'm not aware of nukes in the 1800s
09:22 reptilian_thrills; napoleon did it?
09:23 MinceR; but the japanese didn't try to build a totalitarian empire since they were nuked
09:23 MinceR; maybe it would have worked on russia too
09:23 reptilian_thrills; napoleon dynamite, meet napoleon thermonuclear weapons
09:23 reptilian_thrills; you maniacs! you sacre bleu it up!
09:24 TR News; Facebook is dying(TM) https://analyticsindiamag.com/after-twitter-meta-succumbs-to-mass-layoffs/ | Source: AIM
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09:24 TR Bot; After Twitter, Meta Succumbs to Mass Layoffs
09:24 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: ^
09:25 TR News; "Last week, AWS and Microsoft admitted that their customers have realized their CLOWN costs are out of control." https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/02/cloud_magic_era_ends/ | Source: The Register UK
=> ↺ https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/02/cloud_magic_era_ends/
09:25 TR Bot; Cloud magic was a nice story, now with an unhappy ending The Register
09:26 TR News; Microsoft: out future is SPAM company https://www.windowslatest.com/2022/11/03/microsoft-hints-at-low-cost-windows-11-pcs-powered-by-advertising-and-subscriptions/ | Source: Windows Latest
09:26 TR Bot; Microsoft hints at low-cost Windows 11 PCs powered by advertising and subscriptions
09:26 TR News; "If companies continue to outsource all their infrastructure work to the cloud providers" https://matt-rickard.com/what-happens-to-infra-engineers | Source: Matt Rickard
=> ↺ https://matt-rickard.com/what-happens-to-infra-engineers
09:26 TR Bot; What Happens to Infra Engineers?
09:28 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: I seem to recall some online cranks speakiing of napoleon eta
09:28 schestowitz[TR]; or how we not only had very advanced ancinet civilisations but also super-deadly weapon
09:29 schestowitz[TR]; there is no evidencew
09:29 schestowitz[TR]; but some to show any nonsense flies "online"
09:29 schestowitz[TR]; *comes to show
09:29 schestowitz[TR]; there is even one nuy here who promote this stuff
09:29 schestowitz[TR]; *nut here who promotes
09:30 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> reptilian_thrills: ^<schestowitz[TR]> reptilian_thrills: ^ <- https://yewtu.be/watch?v=BNsrK6P9QvI
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09:30 TR Bot; Picard's Epic Double Facepalm - Invidious
09:30 TR News; Surveillance: "Today, the EU Council Presidencys proposal for a regulation on the use of" HEY HI! https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-governments-open-the-door-for-biometric-mass-surveillance-in-public-spaces/ | Source: Patrick Breyer
09:30 TR Bot; EU governments open the door for biometric mass surveillance in public spaces Patrick Breyer
09:30 schestowitz[TR]; i still think bad history deserves ridicule, not cnesorhsip
09:31 schestowitz[TR]; censorship agenda can later expanded to "insulting" history
09:31 schestowitz[TR]; or political censorship like in wikipedia, youtube etc.
09:31 TR News; "People were filming a lot" https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-ukraine-putin-war-crimes-1.6636688 | Source: CBC
=> ↺ https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-ukraine-putin-war-crimes-1.6636688
09:31 TR Bot; While Putin denies war crimes in Ukraine, a Russian soldier confesses to executing a civilian | CBC News
09:31 TR News; "China has allegedly established dozens of police stations abroad, including many in Europe" https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/beijing-s-long-arm-china-s-secret-police-stations-in-europe-a-d6732094-ca32-4c0a-8e6f-58b395b946aa | Source: Spiegel
09:31 TR Bot; Beijing's Long Arm: China's Secret Police Stations in Europe - DER SPIEGEL
09:32 TR News; "Greece will soon ban the sale of spyware, the government said on Monday" https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1197358/greece-to-ban-sale-of-spyware-amid-wiretapping-scandal/ | Source: Greece
=> ↺ https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1197358/greece-to-ban-sale-of-spyware-amid-wiretapping-scandal/
09:32 TR Bot; to ban sale of spyware amid wiretapping scandal | eKathimerini.com
09:32 reptilian_thrills; there is even one nuy here who promote this stuff <- id be more worried except for the number of nuts here already
09:32 reptilian_thrills; they seem to be ranked (in my opinion) not by how nuts they are but but how much they help you out
09:33 TR News; Will Greece also ban "reputable" spyware like Microsoft Office, Google, Slack, Facebook, Android...?
09:33 reptilian_thrills; then again, this is an all-trolls-are-created-equal argument
09:33 reptilian_thrills; and even i dont believe that
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; there ie a troll
09:33 reptilian_thrills; yes?
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; there is a provocateur aiming to derail
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; there was a neonazi
09:34 reptilian_thrills; lol you mean mjg
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; he had not been here for a while
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; the trolls speaks of drugs a lot
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; *troll
09:34 reptilian_thrills; there was a neonazi <- hes not gone, hes probably listening to jordan peterson and cleaning his bunker
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; I think the rest cause no harm
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; the reputational harm is done by the nut
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; so it's important to publicly distance ourselves from the nuttery
09:35 schestowitz[TR]; this is an open channel
09:35 reptilian_thrills; the reputational harm is done by the nut <- i think you imagine the harm this person does
09:35 schestowitz[TR]; no, it can be leveraged to disparage the site
09:35 reptilian_thrills; let me rephrase: i think you COMPLETELY imagine the harm one does
09:35 reptilian_thrills; while ignoring the harm done by another
09:35 schestowitz[TR]; and sometimes it does happen
09:35 schestowitz[TR]; there is also a racist
09:35 reptilian_thrills; there are a few racists
09:35 schestowitz[TR]; who was threatened at gunpoint
09:36 reptilian_thrills; at least two, more im sure
09:36 schestowitz[TR]; which I think increased or elboldened this racism
09:36 reptilian_thrills; who was threatened at gunpoint <- ah
09:36 schestowitz[TR]; in "professional" companies there are many racists
09:36 reptilian_thrills; to be certain
09:36 schestowitz[TR]; but they are paid well and know this depends on them keeping their mouths shut
09:36 reptilian_thrills; no, it can be leveraged to disparage the site <- has it been?
09:36 schestowitz[TR]; yes
09:36 reptilian_thrills; where?
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; one examplem is,
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; people saying we call mfor people to be killed
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; like Microsofters saying so
09:37 reptilian_thrills; what year was that
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; mono days
09:38 mjg59_; There have literally been people in this channel saying I should be killed
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; people who were her what? one day? 2 days?
09:38 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> There have literally been people in this channel saying I should be killed <- i recall only one instance
09:38 reptilian_thrills; where they said you having a literal (not mafia type) accident would be funny
09:38 mjg59_; Pretty sure psydruid's been here a while
09:38 reptilian_thrills; maybe im thinking of another
09:39 mjg59_; Look the complaint is not that Roy wants me dead
09:39 reptilian_thrills; but if its the one im thinking of, that wasnt talking about you being "killed" in the sense you seem to be implying
09:39 schestowitz[TR]; in twitter I got death threats
09:39 reptilian_thrills; the complaint is not that Roy wants me dead <- okay
09:39 schestowitz[TR]; in gas many
09:39 schestowitz[TR]; *gab
09:39 mjg59_; The complaint is that Roy has created the kind of space where people feel safe in doing that
09:39 schestowitz[TR]; in MINDS... cannot recall
09:39 schestowitz[TR]; oh, I did actually
09:39 schestowitz[TR]; reported
09:39 schestowitz[TR]; and actioned
09:39 mjg59_; But takes no responsibility
09:39 reptilian_thrills; feel safe in doing that <- in doing what though?
09:39 MinceR; a space with freedom of speech?
09:39 MinceR; that's horrible
09:40 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: In expressing a desire for people to suffer physical harm
09:40 MinceR; run back to faecesbook before the words hurt you
09:40 reptilian_thrills; In expressing a desire for people to suffer physical harm <- george carlin expressed this very bluntly before his death
09:40 MinceR; don't look back!
09:40 TR News; "Musks team on Friday laid off roughly half the workforce in a bid to cut costs, rattling veteran employees" https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-suspends-users-imitating-elon-musk-early-test-free-speech-rule-rcna55968 | Source: NBC
09:40 TR Bot; Twitter suspends users for imitating Elon Musk in early test of his free speech stance
09:40 reptilian_thrills; In expressing a desire for people to suffer physical harm <- as far as i know, thats not a crime in the united states
09:40 reptilian_thrills; im not sure its even a crime in the uk
09:41 TR News; Carlsberg? Elon does POT, not beer. https://cphpost.dk/?p=140245 | Source: Copenhagen Post
=> ↺ https://cphpost.dk/?p=140245
09:41 TR Bot; Carlsberg won't put ads on Twitter anymore following Elon Musk's buyout - The Post
09:41 reptilian_thrills; so there must be some moral argument against it
09:41 reptilian_thrills; which im sure someone will provide
09:41 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: I don't usually think of community moderation thresholds as being "Someone is breaking the law"
09:42 TR News; "Sibley was most recently COO at Forbes, and before that held executive stints at The Wall Street Journal" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/time-magazine-enlists-new-ceo-1235257231/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter
=> ↺ https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/time-magazine-enlists-new-ceo-1235257231/
09:42 TR Bot; Jessica Sibley Named CEO of Time Magazine The Hollywood Reporter
09:42 mjg59_; And I've been moderated here without breaking the law, so it's not the threshold this community holds itself to
09:42 MinceR; well, CoC isn't law yet
09:42 reptilian_thrills; I don't usually think of community moderation thresholds as being "Someone is breaking the law" <- and many of us dont believe a code of conduct will be applied reasonably
09:42 schestowitz[TR]; <reptilian_thrills> In expressing a desire for people to suffer physical harm <- as far as i know, thats not a crime in the united states
09:42 schestowitz[TR]; that is more like pain/death wish
09:42 schestowitz[TR]; afaik, death wishes are legal
09:42 schestowitz[TR]; but not death threats
09:42 mjg59_; Oh yeah for it to be criminal in the US it has to be something a reasonable person would interpret as an imminent threat
09:43 reptilian_thrills; mjg: if youre suggesting that this channel should have a code of conduct, thats funny on several levels
09:43 reptilian_thrills; maybe even recursively
09:43 MinceR; it's par for the course though
09:43 MinceR; it's what his crowd does
09:43 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: I'm actually not doing that!
09:43 MinceR; yet.
09:43 reptilian_thrills; reptilian_thrills: I'm actually not doing that! <- i would assume you were intoxicated if you did
09:43 schestowitz[TR]; to me, manners are good
09:43 schestowitz[TR]; but
09:43 psydruid; Matt Butt Erick has spoken from the Gulag
09:43 MinceR; intoxicated by the offer of money by megacorporations?
09:44 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: I'm saying that this isn't a space that prizes free speech above all else
09:44 schestowitz[TR]; coc is not bad because it enforces manners
09:44 reptilian_thrills; I'm saying that this isn't a space that prizes free speech above all else <- oh i dont buy it either
09:44 schestowitz[TR]; but because it is selectively applied, disproportionately do
09:44 reptilian_thrills; i mean, ive rebutted it extensively
09:44 mjg59_; But would rather mute someone who disagrees with Roy than someone who hopes people die
09:44 schestowitz[TR]; we also saw it used for aggravation and accusation inflation
09:44 schestowitz[TR]; and I cannot recall all the recent examples we picked of CoCs going awry
09:44 schestowitz[TR]; like going, VERY very bad
09:44 MinceR; currently 0 people are banned among the people who disagree with Roy in something
09:45 mjg59_; MinceR: So why did I spend a year mutd?
09:45 MinceR; also, this fake morality is amusing
09:45 schestowitz[TR]; CoC becames just some instrument to "Settle scores"
09:45 schestowitz[TR]; not a tribunal"
09:45 MinceR; mjg59_: you were disruptive to the discussion
09:45 mjg59_; By some objective standard?
09:45 reptilian_thrills; most of not all morality is based on hypocrisy and double standards-- SOME at least is worthwhile even if it is imperfect
09:45 MinceR; this fake morality is the same as the one that causes people to say "unalive" instead of "kill", while ensuring that every eukaryote in the solar system dies in a few hundred years
09:45 reptilian_thrills; the imperfections of codes of conduct are pretty glaring imo
09:46 MinceR; s/banned/muted/
09:46 psydruid; mjg59_ is presenting himself once again as a crybaby while distracting from all the harm he has done to people and computing on a global scale
09:46 psydruid; that's just too rich for words
09:46 MinceR; business as usual
09:47 schestowitz[TR]; atm our main issue is some troll promoting drugs, and for no reason other than to harm this channel
09:47 reptilian_thrills; from all the harm he has done to people and computing on a global scale <- i try to bring this up occasionally
09:47 MinceR; but hey, i'm sure that as long as nobody talks about death, humanity will somehow not turn Earth into Venus2 and not exterminate itself
09:47 MinceR; oh wait.
09:47 reptilian_thrills; though everyone who is going to realise it already has
09:47 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: link for you:
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; gemini://ploum.be/2022-11-07-software-engineers-responsibility.gmi gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/2022-11-07-software-engineers-responsibility.gmi
=> ↺ gemini://ploum.be/2022-11-07-software-engineers-responsibility.gmi
=> ↺ gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/2022-11-07-software-engineers-responsibility.gmi
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; same article, two URLs
09:48 reptilian_thrills; i mainly bring it up to point out that i havent misplaced that notion or anything
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; yesterday: "As software engineers, we have a huge moral responsibility. We are not only implementing it, we are ourselves using those tools and letting our family and children using them."
09:48 reptilian_thrills; but the other thing is, i try to understand the coup as a whole
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; RMS says, better become a gartner
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; gardener
09:48 reptilian_thrills; and while he could be the leader for all i know
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; than write proprietary software
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; I think he intentionally exaggerates
09:48 reptilian_thrills; and hes certainly the closest we have to a spokseperson for them
09:49 reptilian_thrills; i dont know the actual leadership structure
09:49 MinceR; RMS should have said that to poettering and his cult
09:49 reptilian_thrills; the closest i can get to that is to look at who was there in the beginning
09:49 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Yeah I'm unclear on how implementing a mechanism that ensures that end-users have control over what their systems boot is a violation of that responsibility
09:49 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> I think he intentionally exaggerates <- its more like abstraction and reframing
09:50 reptilian_thrills; RMS should have said that to poettering and his cult <- to go fuck themselves with a grenade launcher?
09:50 MinceR; mjg59_: that mechanism would be a good idea
09:50 MinceR; and we used to have one
09:50 MinceR; mjg59_: but your overlords ensures that it's no longer available.
09:50 MinceR; s/res/red/
09:50 MinceR; mjg59_: and you provide moral support to them in this
09:51 mjg59_; MinceR: users had no ability to prevent their systems booting material they didn't want to boot in the past, and this was used against them
09:51 MinceR; mjg59_: you're confusing MICROS~1 with users
09:52 reptilian_thrills; users had no ability to prevent their systems booting material they didn't want to boot in the past <- i would love to buy a machine with firmware that prevented windows from running
09:52 reptilian_thrills; id want to know what else it could prevent though
09:52 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: You can now!
09:52 reptilian_thrills; better yet, id love to buy a machine without windows. those seem too rare (and most run macos instead)
09:52 mjg59_; And have been able to for a decade
09:52 mjg59_; Just add the Windows signing key to dbx
09:52 mjg59_; And no Windows install media will ever boot
09:52 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> reptilian_thrills: You can now! <- i think you misunderstand the application for your expertise on the specs
09:52 mjg59_; Linux will still boot fine
09:52 MinceR; until they use a different key
09:53 reptilian_thrills; i want to buy a machine PRECONFIGURED to not run windows
09:53 MinceR; then they boot Backdoors, Backdoors phones home and fucks up your UEFI
09:53 reptilian_thrills; and youre missing the joke (or pretending to miss it)
09:53 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: I'd love it if System76 offered that
09:53 MinceR; (that is, fucks it up even more)
09:53 mjg59_; MinceR: Yeah they can't use a different key because the system doesn't trust that key
09:53 TR News; zaporizhzhia https://www.dw.com/en/zaporizhzhia-power-plant-no-longer-connected-to-ukraine-grid/a-62976178 | Source: Deutsche Welle
=> ↺ https://www.dw.com/en/zaporizhzhia-power-plant-no-longer-connected-to-ukraine-grid/a-62976178
09:53 MinceR; (it's a miracle UEFI can boot at all)
09:53 TR Bot; plant no longer connected to Ukraine grid DW 11/07/2022
09:54 reptilian_thrills; they have enough dark magic
09:54 MinceR; and to do this, you must sign every kernel you boot
09:54 MinceR; and play along with the charade
09:54 reptilian_thrills; "i solumnly swear that i am not a chav running warez yeah"
09:55 mjg59_; Shim was explicitly designed to ensure that you could boot whatever kernels you wanted
09:55 mjg59_; If you don't want to sign stuff, you just disable signature validation using mokutil
09:55 MinceR; shim could also run Backdoors, couldn't it?
09:55 reptilian_thrills; if you want to set your own term in gnome, just install a plugin :/
09:55 MinceR; if i disable signature validation, they could boot Backdoors
09:56 mjg59_; If you configure your system to boot anything, it'll boot anything
09:56 schestowitz[TR]; shim thwarts antitrust actiobn
09:56 schestowitz[TR]; against a criminal company
09:56 MinceR; twist it any way you want, you can't elude the fact that MICROS~1 wrote the rules to give themselves all the advantage and the hardware vendors enforce all of them, in fear of being made to pay more for Backdoors licenses
09:56 schestowitz[TR]; so it can infest machines with BS
09:56 schestowitz[TR]; that blocks Linux
09:56 schestowitz[TR]; while claiming "SECURITY!"
09:57 reptilian_thrills; you can't elude the fact that MICROS~1 wrote the rules to give themselves all the advantage <- this is definitely what i think
09:57 schestowitz[TR]; I said this to you MOAR than 10 years ago
09:57 mjg59_; If you want your system to boot Linux but not boot Windows, it needs some way to tell the difference between them
09:57 MinceR; and all the governments talking their asses off about how they have market economy and how they guard you against monopolies, do nothing about this
09:57 schestowitz[TR]; I used the OOXML analogy
09:57 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> If you want your system to boot Linux but not boot Windows <- that was a joke of course
09:57 reptilian_thrills; the point is to not have to run windows, not to actually have firmware do what i jokingly said
09:57 MinceR; and the governments enforce other Imaginary Property rules to make this whole scheme workable
09:58 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: The fact that people can't install their own firmware on many commodity systems is absolute bullshit
09:58 MinceR; without copyright, hardware vendors could preload Backdoors without paying MICROS~1 at all, thus MICROS~1 would have no hold on them
09:58 TR News; I Fought The PayPal And I Won https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/i-fought-the-paypal-and-i-won |
=> ↺ https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/i-fought-the-paypal-and-i-won
09:58 TR Bot; I Fought The PayPal And I Won - by Yassine Meskhout
09:58 reptilian_thrills; The fact that people can't install their own firmware on many commodity systems is absolute bullshit <- if thats literally a fact thats even worse
09:58 psydruid; you can choose to work in a Microsoft/IBM world or you can choose to replace this Microsoft/IBM world
09:58 mjg59_; Without copyright, copilot would be obviously legal
09:58 reptilian_thrills; i assume its mostly just tedious as fuck
09:58 TR News; "Meta Platforms Inc the company that owns Facebook, Instagram and Whatsapp is reportedly preparing to lay off thousands of employees as the social media giant reels from a poor financial outlook for the coming year" https://www.dw.com/en/facebook-parent-company-meta-plans-mass-layoffs-report/a-63666377 | Source: Deutsche Welle
=> ↺ https://www.dw.com/en/facebook-parent-company-meta-plans-mass-layoffs-report/a-63666377
09:58 MinceR; also, no one gets to make x86 CPUs that are full of malware because governments enforce intHell's Imaginary Property
09:58 TR Bot; parent company Meta plans mass layoffs report DW 11/07/2022
09:58 mjg59_; And the GPL would have no meaning
09:58 reptilian_thrills; and beyond the tools and knowledge of most users
09:58 MinceR; s/that are full/that are not full/
09:59 MinceR; the GPL already has no meaning
09:59 mjg59_; I actually think that would be a better version of reality, but there's reasonable disagreement there
09:59 reptilian_thrills; the GPL already has no meaning <- very little at best
09:59 mjg59_; Hey, maybe the SFC's case against Vizio will work out
09:59 MinceR; you can take GPL-ed software, turn it into a daemon that provides a dbugs API and use it from proprietary software all you want
09:59 reptilian_thrills; it historically has meaning
09:59 mjg59_; Having consumers be able to enforce the GPL would help a great deal
09:59 reptilian_thrills; maybe the SFC's case against Vizio will work out <- that would probably be bad
09:59 MinceR; and putting everything on dbugs is now standard practice, thanks to dehomag
09:59 reptilian_thrills; everything the sfc has done has fucked us one way or another
10:00 reptilian_thrills; i can easily imagine how their case against vizio would be bad
10:00 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: Are you familiar with the case?
10:00 mjg59_; It actually covers a lot of interesting legal ground
10:00 MinceR; also, Linux is GPL-ed and "Linux Foundation" members get to do whatever they like with it
10:00 reptilian_thrills; of course not, im banking that once i am, it will be as i say :)
10:00 MinceR; including vmware
10:00 reptilian_thrills; its prejudice to be sure
10:00 MinceR; who are well known for being GPL violators
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; without copyright law for code, proprietary anf FOSS might have not much difference either
10:00 reptilian_thrills; but that doesnt mean im wrong :)
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; so you skip that step
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; by singling out GPL
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; workers could leak out the code
10:00 reptilian_thrills; It actually covers a lot of interesting legal ground <- oh this im sure of
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; and that's it
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; it spreads like in dawn of computing
10:01 MinceR; even now, mjg59_'s overlords are trying to take over the FSF so that GPLv4 can be a permissive license, removing copyleft from all works licensed with an "or later version" clause
10:01 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: The basic claim is that the GPL should actually be interpreted as a contract under US law
10:01 reptilian_thrills; are trying to take over the FSF so that GPLv4 <- i think its said and done really
10:01 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: not just FSF
10:01 reptilian_thrills; the rest is formalities
10:01 schestowitz[TR]; also EFF and others
10:01 schestowitz[TR]; Team Pentagon
10:01 reptilian_thrills; also EFF and others <- eff already ate itself
10:01 MinceR; also, there were some attempts on the state level to break the GPL
10:01 schestowitz[TR]; no, eff's founder died
10:01 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: As a result, anyone who receives GPLed code should be in a position to demand access to the source code, without requiring that a copyright holder do so
10:01 schestowitz[TR]; and they ousted another cofounder
10:02 mjg59_; Yeah they ousted the guy who gave people LSD without telling them he was doing so
10:02 reptilian_thrills; anyone who receives GPLed code should be in a position to demand access to the source code, without requiring that a copyright holder do so <- and how does this not open the door up to gpl trolling?
10:02 TR News; Great news! https://www.axios.com/2022/11/04/elon-musk-twitter-revenue-drop-advertisers | Source: Axios
=> ↺ https://www.axios.com/2022/11/04/elon-musk-twitter-revenue-drop-advertisers
10:02 TR Bot; Elon Musk: Twitter suffers "massive drop in revenue" after advertisers leave
10:02 reptilian_thrills; like patent trolls but against gpl projects
10:02 psydruid; MinceR, so GPLv3 must be forked in another direction?
10:02 TR News; "Mastodon is installed on thousands" https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/twitter-mastodon-faq-1.6642946 | Source: CBC
=> ↺ https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/twitter-mastodon-faq-1.6642946
10:02 TR Bot; What is Mastodon, and why is it surging amid all the chaos at Twitter? | CBC News
10:02 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: Oh there's actually a big difference
10:02 MinceR; psydruid: i don't think that helps
10:02 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> reptilian_thrills: Oh there's actually a big difference <- aliens?
10:02 MinceR; psydruid: avoiding "or later" clauses and avoiding copyright assignment helps
10:03 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: GPL trolling generally involves demanding financial restitution in return for allowing someone to continue shipping code - that requires you to be a copyright holder
10:03 MinceR; and in general not putting trust in organizations
10:03 reptilian_thrills; GPL trolling generally involves demanding financial restitution <- not that
10:03 TR News; "Kathy Griffin logged into her late mothers Twitter account to continue trolling Elon Musk" https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/kathy-griffin-twitter-ban-dead-mother-account-elon-musk-1235425165/ | Source: Variety
10:03 TR Bot; Griffin Defies Musk Twitter Ban by Using Dead Mother's Account - Variety
10:03 MinceR; any organization can be taken over
10:03 reptilian_thrills; im concerned about censorship
10:03 reptilian_thrills; and denying access
10:03 reptilian_thrills; which gpl3 mitigates
10:03 TR News; "The planned changes to the verification system have been met by strong criticism from users" https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/twitter-subscription-check-marks-verification-delayed-1235424769/ | Source: Variety
10:03 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: This would allow someone to demand that the license be followed, but the worst case outcome would be the vendor just having to refund you and take the item back
10:03 TR Bot; Verification Check Mark Changes Delayed to After Election Day - Variety
10:03 reptilian_thrills; but gpl trolls...
10:03 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: You wouldn't be able to prevent an item being sold
10:03 TR News; "Cossette's guidance said the layoffs prompted increased concern about the effectiveness of Twitter's moderation" https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cossette-agency-government-ads-twitter-layoffs-1.6642527 | Source: CBC
=> ↺ https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cossette-agency-government-ads-twitter-layoffs-1.6642527
10:03 mjg59_; Or terminate the license
10:03 TR Bot; Federal government advised to pause Twitter ads after mass layoffs at company | CBC News
10:03 MinceR; also it's interesting that mjg59_ still tries this cancellation angle here
10:04 reptilian_thrills; okay
10:04 MinceR; do we really look that stupid?
10:04 reptilian_thrills; also it's interesting that mjg59_ still tries this cancellation angle here <- agreed
10:04 TR News; "fundraising" https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/emergencies-act-lich-fundraising-1.6638333 | Source: CBC
=> ↺ https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/emergencies-act-lich-fundraising-1.6638333
10:04 TR Bot; Money flowed to convoy protesters through envelopes of cash, cryptocurrency campaign, inquiry hears | CBC News
10:04 psydruid; MinceR, or does a new licence have be drafted up that is GPL-like but somehow incompatible with the GPL?
10:04 reptilian_thrills; but then, maybe it has no practical purpose
10:04 mjg59_; It just turns into "It's cheaper to follow the license than refund some people who demand we do so"
10:04 psydruid; it's getting complicated
10:04 MinceR; psydruid: i don't think that's necessary. but i'm doubtful about how much we can expect from licenses anyway.
10:04 reptilian_thrills; maybe its like arguing against evolution for its own sake against people who understand science
10:04 MinceR; the state enforces licenses and the state can't be trusted to do the right thing
10:05 reptilian_thrills; the state enforces licenses and the state can't be trusted to do the right thin <-
10:05 reptilian_thrills; all licnenses can really do is buy a couple decades
10:05 mjg59_; Some people will follow the terms of the GPL because they want to adhere to the social contract
10:05 reptilian_thrills; until microsoft finds a way to fuck us despite them
10:05 MinceR; also, megacorporations have managed to force internationally changes to Imaginary Property law
10:05 reptilian_thrills; because they want to adhere to the social contract <- surely you dont mean corporations
10:05 mjg59_; But many will only do so because there are legal consequences for failing to do so
10:06 MinceR; i'm not sure why people would think they can't do so again
10:06 reptilian_thrills; But many will only do so because there are legal consequences for failing to do so <- until they find a loophole
10:06 schestowitz[TR]; twitter TOS is changing
10:06 reptilian_thrills; like simply buying out projects with sponsorship (linux fundation)
10:06 schestowitz[TR]; Freenode TOS changed
10:06 MinceR; there were plenty of shits like the WIPO Copyright Treaty
10:06 schestowitz[TR]; WIPO and WTO change laws
10:06 schestowitz[TR]; internationally
10:06 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: Yeah, the biggest one of those is finding projects they can ship where none of the copyright holders are willing to enforce the license
10:07 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: Allowing users to enforce the terms without needing copyright holders to be enforced removes the biggest loophole here
10:07 MinceR; also, if you use your real name on copyrighted works, the likes of MICROS~1 and dehomag and their SJW troll armies can reach you and do damage to your livelihood
10:07 TR News; [Old] "The doctors organisation, which has campaigned in defence of Assange since late 2019" https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/10/19/khfj-o19.html | Source: WSWS
=> ↺ https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/10/19/khfj-o19.html
10:07 TR Bot; Doctors send open letter to British and US governments demanding Assanges freedom - World Socialist Web Site
10:07 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> reptilian_thrills: Yeah, the biggest one of thos <- is one i cant think of a single example of
10:07 MinceR; you'd better have an army of your own if you paint a target over yourself like that
10:07 reptilian_thrills; but the one where sponsors take over is one i can think of examples of
10:07 MinceR; and thermonuclear weapons
10:07 reptilian_thrills; like ibm gcc
10:07 reptilian_thrills; thats a huge problem
10:07 TR News; "The complaints were filed against Bureau of Corrections chief Gerald Bantag, who has been suspended from his post, prisons security official Ricardo Zulueta and other key suspects in the October 3 fatal shooting" https://www.voanews.com/a/philippine-prisons-chief-charged-in-journalist-s-killing-/6823770.html | Source: VOA News
=> ↺ https://www.voanews.com/a/philippine-prisons-chief-charged-in-journalist-s-killing-/6823770.html
10:08 TR Bot; Philippine Prisons Chief Charged in Journalist's Killing
10:08 reptilian_thrills; sfc: LOOK OVER HERE <- cynical admittedly
10:08 TR News; Alaa https://today.rtl.lu/news/world/a/1989049.html | Source: RTL
=> ↺ https://today.rtl.lu/news/world/a/1989049.html
10:08 TR Bot; RTL Today - Jailed Alaa Abdel Fattah: Three Egyptian journalists start hunger strike to free dissident
10:08 reptilian_thrills; whats sfc doing to defend gcc from ibm takeover?
10:08 reptilian_thrills; or maybe theres no threat :) thats possible
10:08 reptilian_thrills; seems unlikely
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; <reptilian_thrills> whats sfc doing to defend gcc from ibm takeover?
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; too late
10:09 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: A bunch of gcc people were talking to SFC about providing hosting infrastructure, while another bunch were talking to the Linux Foundation about doing the same
10:09 reptilian_thrills; maybe sfc and ibm have a common enemy there
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; it's not thet they don't prevent it
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; they censor ICBM critics
10:09 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> too late <- i know
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; and they actively help ICBM take over gnu projects
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; via the ICBM front group ZemlinPAC
10:09 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> they censor ICBM critics <- when did sfc... other than stallman himself
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; not just IBM
10:09 MinceR; ibm also owns part of the "Linux Foundation"
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; also Intel, Microsoft, VMware...
10:09 MinceR; makes me wonder if they also own the SFC
10:10 schestowitz[TR]; check their site
10:10 reptilian_thrills; ibm also owns part of the "Linux Foundation" <- ibm probably owned a piece of my grandmother but i never managed to prove it
10:10 *schestowitz[TR] checks also
10:10 MinceR; oh yes, ibm is very much into owning people
10:10 schestowitz[TR]; ICBM: barcode pioneer
10:10 schestowitz[TR]; "we tested on pigs"
10:10 schestowitz[TR]; "then some humans"
10:10 reptilian_thrills; makes me wonder if they also own the SFC <- leftist reactionaries dont need to be bought, theyll volunteer to be owned
10:10 MinceR; and also in killing a few millions of them in gas chambers
10:11 MinceR; but you won't hear mjg59_ complain about that
10:11 psydruid; "we own people 100% of the time in life and in death"
10:11 MinceR; talking about wishing people death on IRC is a far more serious crime than that.
10:11 schestowitz[TR]; https://sfconservancy.org/news/2017/nov/27/companies-principles/
=> ↺ https://sfconservancy.org/news/2017/nov/27/companies-principles/
10:11 TR Bot; Facebook, Google, IBM and Red Hat Formally Adopt Portion of GPL Enforcement Principles - Software Freedom Conservancy
10:11 reptilian_thrills; we can still wish nazis die, hopefully
10:11 schestowitz[TR]; "IBM and Red Hat"
10:11 schestowitz[TR]; 2017
10:11 MinceR; not if you don't want to be sued by them
10:11 schestowitz[TR]; year before the takeover
10:11 MinceR; and cancelled by them
10:11 MinceR; and the platform you used to talk on being also taken down by them
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; "Godot Engine" https://sfconservancy.org/projects/current/
=> ↺ https://sfconservancy.org/projects/current/
10:12 TR Bot; Current Projects - Software Freedom Conservancy
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; page NOT up to date
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; Gotdot left
10:12 reptilian_thrills; "Godot Engine" <- github
10:12 reptilian_thrills; might have even signed the letter
10:12 mjg59_; Roy's employers were paid by the UK Ministry of Defence, not known for their role in making people continue to be alive
10:12 MinceR; that's the only real principle behind people like mjg59_
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; <reptilian_thrills> "Godot Engine" <- github
10:12 mjg59_; IBM's actions in the 30s and 40s were reprehensible
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; also tookm MSFT money
10:13 schestowitz[TR]; I confronted them about iut
10:13 MinceR; saying what the megacorporations who pay him is OK, saying something else is criminal and must be suppressed
10:13 schestowitz[TR]; Microsofgt paid them to push C#
10:13 schestowitz[TR]; https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2018/oct/31/sandler-thoughts-ibm-red-hat-acquisition/
=> ↺ https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2018/oct/31/sandler-thoughts-ibm-red-hat-acquisition/
10:13 TR Bot; Thoughts on IBMs acquisition of Red Hat - Conservancy Blog - Software Freedom Conservancy
10:13 MinceR; ibm hasn't changed, MICROS~1 learned everything they know from ibm and also haven't changed
10:13 schestowitz[TR]; " intellectual property licensing and business development professional with IBM."
10:13 schestowitz[TR]; intellectual property licensing and business development professional with IBM.
10:13 reptilian_thrills; It's Basically Microsoft
10:13 schestowitz[TR]; https://sfconservancy.org/about/board/
=> ↺ https://sfconservancy.org/about/board/
10:13 TR Bot; Directors - Software Freedom Conservancy
10:13 mjg59_; But if we hold the current nature of a company to their behaviour in history, it's legitimate to ask why Roy works for a company that got money from murderes
10:13 MinceR; does Roy run that company?
10:14 psydruid; distraction
10:14 mjg59_; No, but nor do Red Hat employees run IBM
10:14 MinceR; does Roy practice online advocacy in favor of that company?
10:14 MinceR; afaik management is usually employed by the corporation they run
10:14 schestowitz[TR]; "The interests of companies are not always aligned with the free software community or the public. Companies that seem to be in one stable condition today may change dramatically tomorrow. While I expect Red Hat to flourish under IBM ownership" -Sandler
10:14 schestowitz[TR]; she was wrong
10:14 schestowitz[TR]; red hat crumbles for several reasons
10:14 MinceR; mjg59_: and you put your name on Free Software 9/11
10:15 MinceR; in a prominent place
10:15 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/sfc-salaries/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/sfc-salaries/
10:15 TR Bot; Free as in Finance/Money: Salary of SFCs Chief Rose to $216,000 Per Year ($18,000 Per Month), or More Than Twice the FSFs Chief | Techrights
10:15 mjg59_; MinceR: That's a completely reasonable position for you to hold - but you don't then get to criticise RH employees for IBM's history
10:15 psydruid; "critising American megacorporations hurts them and me PERSONALLY"
10:15 reptilian_thrills; mjg59_: and you put your name on Free Software 9/11 <- and dec 14 (2008)
10:15 MinceR; mjg59_: i do get to criticize rh/ibm employees for playing the saint and demanding to be taken as some sort of moral paragons
10:15 reptilian_thrills; (2018 rather)
10:15 mjg59_; MinceR: Ok, so it's fair to criticise Roy for playing the saint?
10:16 MinceR; mjg59_: and demanding that i stop using words they don't like while they themselves continue using those words
10:16 reptilian_thrills; so it's fair to criticise Roy for playing the saint? <- yes :D
10:16 MinceR; mjg59_: it's fair to criticize Roy for whatever he has actually done
10:16 reptilian_thrills; though the scale is not the same, nor is the connection the same
10:16 reptilian_thrills; the level of involvement between roy and the mod is QUITE different
10:16 MinceR; i have yet to see him sign a document attempting to cancel someone
10:16 reptilian_thrills; i would say there is effectively none
10:16 psydruid; criticising*
10:16 MinceR; i have yet to see him tell me that i should cease using a particular word
10:16 reptilian_thrills; the level of involvement between ibm and red hat is downplayed
10:17 reptilian_thrills; rather than none
10:17 mjg59_; MinceR: Including him claiming virtue while working for a company that took money to help kill people in the middle east?
10:17 reptilian_thrills; ibm has never been brought to justice
10:17 schestowitz[TR]; i have yet to see him sign a document attempting to cancel someone
10:17 MinceR; to the extent he actually contributed to that, sure
10:17 schestowitz[TR]; not just signed
10:17 schestowitz[TR]; mjg did more than just signed
10:17 schestowitz[TR]; he was one of the initiators
10:17 reptilian_thrills; for war crimes on a scale that goes beyond even historical
10:17 mjg59_; MinceR: How many RH employees helped IBM enable the holocaust?
10:17 reptilian_thrills; but unthinkable
10:17 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> MinceR: How many RH employees helped IBM enable the holocaust?
10:17 reptilian_thrills; <- its about the company ffs
10:18 MinceR; mjg59_: many IBM employees did
10:18 mjg59_; MinceR: Current IBM employees?
10:18 MinceR; mjg59_: and RH employees are now IBM employees
10:18 schestowitz[TR]; to be clear, i did NOT accuse mjg of being connected to ICBM's crimes
10:18 schestowitz[TR]; so it's a straw man
10:18 MinceR; no, they probably kicked the bucket since then
10:18 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> MinceR: Current IBM employees? <- how do you manage to frame EVERYTHING so that only YOU ever have an actual point?
10:18 schestowitz[TR]; it's also a straw man comparing hitler to mod
10:18 reptilian_thrills; seriously
10:18 schestowitz[TR]; and I never worked for mod
10:18 MinceR; and the current crop of SJWs uses ibm's ill-gotten name to lay credence to their claims and demands
10:18 schestowitz[TR]; no idea what project we did for them, maybe over a decade ago
10:18 mjg59_; MinceR: Ok! So if it's ok to criticise people based on their employer having done bad things in the past, why is it not ok to criticise Roy for his employer having done bad things in the past?
10:18 schestowitz[TR]; we as in the colleagues who all left
10:19 reptilian_thrills; why is it not ok to criticise Roy for his employer having done bad things in the past? <- it is okay
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; I am the longest-serving staff except the foundert
10:19 reptilian_thrills; but why are you doing it?
10:19 MinceR; mjg59_: i'm not criticizing people based on their employer having done bad things in the past. i'm criticizing people's employer for having done bad things all the fucking time and people for supporting that
10:19 reptilian_thrills; because surely the reason youre doing it would be a better answer to your question than the dance youre doing right now
10:19 MinceR; but yeah, technically everything we know about is "in the past"
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: I did NOT link you to ICBM and the holocaust
10:19 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: Because there seems to be an immensely tedious "This person works for Red Hat, so holocaust, so bad" argument that Roy keeps trotting out
10:19 MinceR; everything you see on your monitor is via photons that were emitted "in the past"
10:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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10:20 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> reptilian_thrills: Because there seems to be an immensely tedious "This person works for Red Hat, so holocaust, so bad" argument that Roy keeps trotting out <- roy doesnt help matters
10:20 MinceR; so let bygones be bygones and make everyone a slave of dehomag and MICROS~1.
10:20 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: I didn't say you did?
10:20 MinceR; oh wait.
10:20 schestowitz[TR]; fwiw, the company is connecterd to construction in its origins
10:20 schestowitz[TR]; as I understand it, the company that build number 10 and others
10:20 schestowitz[TR]; and went bust a decade agp
10:20 schestowitz[TR]; *built
10:20 reptilian_thrills; there seems to be an immensely tedious "This person works for Red Hat, so holocaust, so bad" <- you and roy are in an endless feud
10:20 mjg59_; Look I just want you all to make intellectually coherent arguments
10:20 reptilian_thrills; so the level of "no u" jokes is like 100 levels deep
10:21 mjg59_; Rather than repetitive "IBM did a bad, therefore this is bad"
10:21 MinceR; mjg59_: also, you don't get to hide behind rh or ibm when you put your own fucking name on the letter
10:21 psydruid; s/coherent/dishonest/
10:21 schestowitz[TR]; biab
10:21 mjg59_; Because there's a whole bunch of fundamentally important stuff that's just lost behind you all sounding like fucking idiots the entire time
10:21 MinceR; lol
10:21 TR News; Antarctica https://brr.fyi/posts/voting-from-antarctica | Source: Brr
=> ↺ https://brr.fyi/posts/voting-from-antarctica
10:21 TR Bot; Voting from Antarctica
10:21 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> Because there's a whole bunch of fundamentally important stuff that's just lost behind you all sounding like fucking idiots the entire time <- no u
10:22 MinceR; good thing canceling someone for saying someone he didn't say makes you sound like a fucking genius
10:22 mjg59_; Commercial capture of IP law! It's awful!
10:22 reptilian_thrills; Because there's a whole bunch of fundamentally important stuff that's just lost <- this i agree with
10:22 MinceR; here we go again, mjg59_ posturing as an intelligent being, something he is not
10:22 reptilian_thrills; good thing canceling someone for saying someone he didn't say makes you sound like a fucking genius <- :>
10:22 reptilian_thrills; Because there's a whole bunch of fundamentally important stuff that's just lost <- this i agree with <- starting with the leadership of the fsf
10:22 reptilian_thrills; which is GONE
10:22 TR News; "Fight to Repair Daily to the Fight to Repair Weekly" https://securepairs.org/fight-to-repair-daily-friday-october-28-2022/ | Source: Securepairs
=> ↺ https://securepairs.org/fight-to-repair-daily-friday-october-28-2022/
10:22 TR Bot; to Repair Daily: Friday October 28, 2022 securepairs.org
10:23 reptilian_thrills; it was on shaky ground. now its just on the ground.
10:23 mjg59_; The increasing embrace of "Open Source" by large enterprises in a way that does nothing to enhance user freedom - that's bad!
10:23 TR News; youtube https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/florida-video-arrest-youtube-blind-b2219810.html | Source: The Independent UK
10:23 TR Bot; Are you a tyrant? Viral video shows Florida police arrest legally blind 61-year-old for holding cane | The Independent
10:23 reptilian_thrills; The increasing embrace of "Open Source" by large enterprises in a way that does nothing to enhance user freedom - that's bad! <- very bad
10:23 psydruid; > here we go again, mjg59_ posturing as an intelligent being, something he is not
10:23 psydruid; pretending not to be a pig while farting in the mud
10:23 mjg59_; Governments actively compromising hardware owned by their own citizens to monitor them - fucking awful!
10:24 reptilian_thrills; pretending not to be a pig while farting in the mud <- devils advocate: mjg gets this conversations going about the most important issues
10:24 reptilian_thrills; more than even roy does.
10:24 MinceR; mjg59_ helping megacorporations compromise hardware owned by the citizens of the same governments -- fucking genius!
10:24 TR News; "The 61-year-old Hodges was booked into Columbia County Jail on Halloween morning and was not released until 10:30 a.m. the next day." https://www.cltampa.com/news/florida-deputies-arrest-blind-man-for-carrying-cane-14514749 |
=> ↺ https://www.cltampa.com/news/florida-deputies-arrest-blind-man-for-carrying-cane-14514749
10:24 TR Bot; Florida deputies arrest blind man for carrying cane | Florida News | Tampa | Creative Loafing Tampa Bay
10:24 mjg59_; Turning it into repetitive conversations about how IBM did a genocide doesn't actually help there!
10:24 reptilian_thrills; if you want a revival, just tell people the devils in town
10:24 TR News; "Jim Hodges was taken into custody by the North Florida cops after a tense interaction" https://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/florida-cops-arrest-legally-blind-man-for-carrying-cane-video-32855192 |
10:24 TR Bot; Florida cops arrest legally blind man for carrying cane [VIDEO] | Florida News | Orlando | Orlando Weekly
10:24 reptilian_thrills; mjg does one better, the devil comes to the mountain
10:24 mjg59_; Yes, it's true! They did! They should suffer consequences!
10:25 MinceR; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv4eTE0aUiQ
=> ↺ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv4eTE0aUiQ
10:25 TR Bot; https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=wv4eTE0aUiQ
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10:25 TR Bot; not resolve host: tube.cthd.icu; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=wv4eTE0aUiQ )
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10:25 mjg59_; But they're not going to, and continuing to campaign on that front just makes it harder to talk about the shit that can change!
10:25 MinceR; oh yeah
10:25 MinceR; sociopaths being in power and making life hell for all of us, not something we can change
10:25 MinceR; until we all die out
10:25 mjg59_; If Israel isn't boycotting IBM, it's pretty fucking obvious that they're never going to suffer for that
10:25 MinceR; better support them, then.
10:26 mjg59_; I didn't say support them
10:26 mjg59_; I said pick better battles
10:26 MinceR; afaict israel is an undemocratic religious fundamentalist shithole
10:26 mjg59_; Nobody needs to stand up for IBM
10:26 MinceR; they can't be relied on even as much as the less benighted states can be
10:26 mjg59_; IBM's got enough lobbyists to do that for themselves
10:26 MinceR; and even the latter are going to shit
10:26 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> I said pick better battles <- cant agree there
10:26 MinceR; democracy in the USA is ending
10:26 reptilian_thrills; fsvo democracy
10:27 MinceR; the people of the UK demonstrated that they're incapable of running a democracy
10:27 MinceR; the EU is a rolling failure
10:27 psydruid; mjg59_ is like a collaborator in the war justifying his reasons for collaborating, I don't put much stock into that
10:27 MinceR; the rest of the five eyes aren't doing much better either.
10:27 reptilian_thrills; the people of the UK demonstrated that they're incapable of running a democracy <- to be fair it was bolted on
10:27 reptilian_thrills; the rest of the five eyes aren't doing much better either. <- six?
10:27 MinceR; it was also a reference apparently many other states turned to when building a democracy
10:27 MinceR; not a good prognosis for them either
10:28 MinceR; i don't know about extensions to five eyes
10:28 reptilian_thrills; it was also a reference apparently many other states <- what else would they use as a model though?
10:28 reptilian_thrills; france i suppose :D
10:28 MinceR; their own minds, if they have one, hopefully
10:28 MinceR; they probably don't, being humans
10:28 reptilian_thrills; thats not how politics works obviously
10:28 psydruid; "please don't hurt IBM, they're my friends"
10:28 reptilian_thrills; the way you start a country is by ripping off another one and pretending its different
10:29 MinceR; so how did the first country get started?
10:29 reptilian_thrills; someone fucked up
10:29 mjg59_; The obsession here with having five minute hates against random individuals or specific corporations rather than the entire political situation that enables corporations to arbitrarily constrain user freedom is just infuriating
10:29 psydruid; lol
10:29 reptilian_thrills; then everyone else followed that
10:29 MinceR; lol
10:29 reptilian_thrills; /me bows
10:29 MinceR; mjg59_: how many minutes did this take, mr. genius? >> https://rms-open-letter.github.io/
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10:29 TR Bot; open letter to remove Richard M. Stallman from all leadership positions | rms-open-letter.github.io
10:30 MinceR; fucking hypocrite.
10:30 mjg59_; If you really believe that any individual is fundamental to the eroding of user freedom, how long do you think it's going to take for the corporations to just replace that individual?
10:30 reptilian_thrills; mjg59_: how many minutes did this take <- i think wokeoffice has a template for that actually
10:30 MinceR; lol
10:30 MinceR; i would hope shithub has the template built in
10:30 reptilian_thrills; actually the template joke isnt entirely for giggles (though it mostly is)
10:31 reptilian_thrills; ive seen previous versions of that letter, or close enough
10:31 reptilian_thrills; for other people
10:31 MinceR; it's the least the redmond mafia can do for its troll army
10:31 mjg59_; The focus on individuals just ends up making it look like gamergate
10:31 MinceR; like mr. genius here, who campaigned for locking down Linux more and more for the sake of MICROS~1's competitive advantage, under the guise of "Secure Boot"
10:31 psydruid; lol
10:31 MinceR; mjg59_: oh, so rms isn't an individual anymore?
10:31 reptilian_thrills; The focus on individuals just ends up making it look like gamergate <- well... i guess it woudl have been a great idea to not focus on tso and stallman than
10:31 MinceR; it's interesting to see how all the rules apply to mr. genius differently.
10:32 psydruid; like RMS or LT?
10:32 reptilian_thrills; rms lt tso
10:32 reptilian_thrills; gilmore
10:32 reptilian_thrills; to see how all the rules <- cancel culture is based on hypocrisy and double standards
10:32 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: Eh I think there's two classes there
10:32 psydruid; the tool is making even more of a fool of himself
10:32 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> reptilian_thrills: Eh I think there's two classes there <- anything is possible, some things are likely
10:33 reptilian_thrills; the tool is making even more of a fool of himself <- let him
10:33 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: My criticism of Ted wasn't based on him being in any sort of leadership role, just being visible in the community - it was explicitly criticism of him for a specific topic, not an attempt to assert that his behaviour was part of a wider campaign to do, well, anything
10:33 MinceR; being visible in a community, the most grave of all crimes
10:33 reptilian_thrills; it was explicitly criticism of him for a specific topic <- maybe the effect had nothing to do with you
10:34 reptilian_thrills; but it seemed to be pivotal
10:34 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: Unlike all the gamergate targets, where the criticism of them as individuals was tied to an argument that they represented a greater issue
10:34 MinceR; far graver than anticompetitive actions or genocide
10:34 TR News; A Tribe without Tribalism gemini://thurk.org/blog/587.gmi
=> ↺ gemini://thurk.org/blog/587.gmi
10:34 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: I think the accusations regarding rms and Linus are more accurate, and I think my argument that there's still a difference is weaker
10:34 TR News; A Linux laptop on Chromebook for my student gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~lettuce/linux-loaner-laptop.gmi
=> ↺ gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~lettuce/linux-loaner-laptop.gmi
10:35 MinceR; of course you'd say you "think" so
10:35 MinceR; even if you can't even argue for it, because it doesn't make any logical sense
10:35 reptilian_thrills; I think the accusations regarding rms and Linus are more accurate <- the accusations regarding rms are clearly bunk
10:35 MinceR; hell, the people who killed our industry and our movement paid you to do so!
10:35 reptilian_thrills; the most substantial one i know of is that he misgendered your partner
10:36 TR News; QFNs https://hackaday.com/2022/11/07/how-those-nes-dip-chips-were-reduced-to-qfns/ | Source: Hackaday
=> ↺ https://hackaday.com/2022/11/07/how-those-nes-dip-chips-were-reduced-to-qfns/
10:36 TR Bot; Those NES DIP Chips Were Reduced To QFNs | Hackaday
10:36 TR News; Commodore https://hackaday.com/2022/11/07/commodore-datasette-does-its-own-calibration/ | Source: Hackaday
=> ↺ https://hackaday.com/2022/11/07/commodore-datasette-does-its-own-calibration/
10:36 TR Bot; Datasette Does Its Own Calibration | Hackaday
10:36 reptilian_thrills; natalie wynn has an AMAZING video explaining how rms was abstracted into all of those things you accused him of
10:36 reptilian_thrills; ironically the same video was funded by one of the people who signed it
10:36 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: But they were clearly leaders in communities in a way that the gamergate victims weren't, and while you may well not agree with criticisms I made I don't think it's the same as (say) the accusations made against Zoe Quinn then being used as an argument that gaming journalism as a whole was corrupt
10:37 reptilian_thrills; But they were clearly leaders in communities in a way that the gamergate victims weren't, and while you may well not agree with criticisms I made I don't think it's the same as (say) the accusations made against Zoe Quinn then being used as an argument that gaming journalism as a whole was corrupt <- agreed except
10:37 reptilian_thrills; i never brought up gamergate or quinn
10:37 reptilian_thrills; and im not sure how the comparison is helpful (im not saying it isnt, only i dont know how)
10:37 MinceR; strange i seem to recall that the argument that gaming journalism as a whole was corrupt hinged on how gaming "journalists" behaved, ont on zoe quinn
10:37 MinceR; but i wasn't involved much in it, so i must be wrong about that
10:37 mjg59_; Oh I thought this branch of the conversation started because I complained that the criticism here looked more like Gamergate
10:38 MinceR; and yeah, mjg59_ brought up the whole thing
10:38 MinceR; s/ont/not/
10:38 reptilian_thrills; because I complained that the criticism here looked more like Gamergate <- you brought up gamergate yes
10:38 mjg59_; Yeah, sorry, I thought the counter to that was suggesting that my own behaviour looked like Gamergate
10:38 MinceR; if your "argument" is that something "looks like" something else, you need to come up with a better argument
10:38 reptilian_thrills; I thought the counter to that was suggesting that my own behaviour looked like Gamergate <- someone may have said so
10:38 reptilian_thrills; fair enouguh
10:39 MinceR; i'm sorry that i have to explain this to mr. genius.
10:39 mjg59_; dr. genius
10:39 MinceR; dr. supragenius
10:39 mjg59_; If Roy can insist on it, why can't I
10:39 schestowitz[TR]; dr. asparagus
10:39 mjg59_; j/k I really don't care
10:39 MinceR; have i called him dr. Roy?
10:39 MinceR; i don't think i have
10:39 mjg59_; Dunno
10:39 schestowitz[TR]; i never asked anyone to call me doctor
10:39 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ does that
10:39 MinceR; i keep forgetting everyone's doctorates
10:39 schestowitz[TR]; it's a sign of insecurity
10:39 MinceR; yeah
10:40 reptilian_thrills; /me is a doctor but only on paper / for laughs
10:40 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: You call yourself Dr everywhere
10:40 mjg59_; Even on Linkedin
10:40 reptilian_thrills; i dont ever use it
10:40 mjg59_; Who the fuck does that on Linkedin
10:40 MinceR; who the fuck uses linkedin
10:40 MinceR; and why
10:40 mjg59_; Right?
10:41 reptilian_thrills; dr. linkedin
10:41 schestowitz[TR]; i created an account there in 2006 because a colleague told me to
10:41 MinceR; who the fuck uses anything from MICROS~1
10:41 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: When did you graduate?
10:41 reptilian_thrills; who the fuck uses anything from MICROS~1 <- everybody because of fucking firmware
10:41 schestowitz[TR]; it has been largely the same for well over a decade, way before microsoft even touched it
10:41 MinceR; :>
10:41 MinceR; fucking TianoCore
10:41 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: It's actually possible to build UEFI firmware with no Microsoft code
10:41 psydruid; a MICROS~1 tool does
10:41 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> schestowitz[TR]: When did you graduate? <- ask the registrar
10:41 MinceR; yeah, i know, it says intHell on it everywhere
10:42 reptilian_thrills; with no Microsoft code <- yeah but who pushed for it
10:42 MinceR; it's merely a coincidence that it uses MICROS~1 formats and practices everywhere
10:42 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> schestowitz[TR]: When did you graduate? <- ask the registrar <- this is a great idea
10:42 MinceR; like PE and FAT and keeping the hw clock set to local time
10:42 mjg59_; Yeah you're stuck with a shitload of Intel code
10:42 MinceR; 08 114145 < mjg59_> reptilian_thrills: It's actually possible to build UEFI firmware with no Microsoft code
10:42 mjg59_; And Microsoft specs
10:42 MinceR; yeah, it's possible to implement the spec on your own
10:42 MinceR; nobody does.
10:43 mjg59_; But you don't need to use Microsoft code
10:43 MinceR; and it isn't even practical
10:43 mjg59_; MinceR: u-boot has a spec-compliant implementation that uses no Tiano
10:43 reptilian_thrills; /me would rather like to boycott uefi altogether
10:43 MinceR; UEFI is such a gargantuan ball of bloat it would take forever
10:43 *MinceR would like to boycott it too
10:43 *psydruid boycotts UEFI altogether
10:44 reptilian_thrills; ACTION boycotts UEFI altogether <- with what?
10:44 MinceR; along with the likes of IME, PSP, TZ and ThreadX
10:44 MinceR; but i can't, because mjg59_'s benefactors killed our industry.
10:44 psydruid; on my ARM SBC I use u-boot
10:44 schestowitz[TR]; haha
10:44 mjg59_; Everyone should be free to run the firmware of their choice on their hardware
10:44 schestowitz[TR]; I started my thesis 2015
10:45 psydruid; on x86 you're SOL, but I don't care about that architecture
10:45 schestowitz[TR]; turns out that's one year after mjg had started a phd
10:45 schestowitz[TR]; so I was ahead of him
10:45 schestowitz[TR]; and he is abotu 5 years my senior
10:45 MinceR; on ARM you're also SOL, afaict
10:45 schestowitz[TR]; sorry, I meant 2005
10:45 schestowitz[TR]; not 2015
10:45 mjg59_; Yeah I quit my first PhD after they hassled me about using SSH
10:45 schestowitz[TR]; so a year after he enrolled I already finished all my phd work and focused on the thesis
10:46 mjg59_; And spent a while working on accessibility software
10:46 schestowitz[TR]; ok
10:46 mjg59_; And contributing to various free software projects
10:46 mjg59_; And then started another in 2004
10:46 psydruid; ARM is not the end game, but I don't have (fully free) RISC-V hardware yet
10:46 mjg59_; Also a major depressive episode in there
10:46 TR News; The need to "Save Ponds" https://therevelator.org/ponds-biodiversity-climate/ | Source: The Revelator
=> ↺ https://therevelator.org/ponds-biodiversity-climate/
10:46 TR Bot; Why Scientists Are Rallying to Save Ponds The Revelator
10:46 MinceR; makes me wonder if they were actually free software projects
10:46 MinceR; or just open source licensed ones
10:47 MinceR; systemd doesn't respect our freedom
10:47 mjg59_; But got through all of that and was lucky enough to get into another PhD program
10:47 MinceR; UEFI doesn't respect our freedom
10:47 psydruid; still not having to deal with UEFI is a plus for me
10:47 MinceR; shithub doesn't respect our freedom
10:47 reptilian_thrills; makes me wonder if they were actually free software projects <- even roy likes his acpi work
10:47 MinceR; gnome doesn't respect our freedom
10:47 TR News; "Freedom of Information Act" https://www.propublica.org/article/johnson-amendment-violation-examples too bad Pro Publica takes bribes from Bill Gates, who opposes transparency and relishes in bribery
=> ↺ https://www.propublica.org/article/johnson-amendment-violation-examples
10:47 TR Bot; 20 Examples of Johnson Amendment Violations, Experts Say ProPublica
10:47 MinceR; acpi doesn't respect our freedom either
10:47 reptilian_thrills; yeah but that wasnt mjgs fault
10:48 TR News; Alaa https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/11/eff-award-winner-alaa-abd-el-fattah | Source: EFF
=> ↺ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/11/eff-award-winner-alaa-abd-el-fattah
10:48 TR Bot; EFF Award Winner: Alaa Abd El-Fattah | Electronic Frontier Foundation
10:48 MinceR; hell, afaik your kernel pretty much has to pretend it's Backdoors if you want the hardware to work at all
10:48 MinceR; but no antitrust action was taken
10:48 MinceR; because the governments support the megacorporations that killed our industry.
10:48 reptilian_thrills; antitrust and war crimes tribunals dont work on its basically microsoft
10:49 MinceR; and while they claim to take our sovereignty in part to uphold an alleged free market, the free market continues to be absent.
10:49 reptilian_thrills; only a revolution could hope to stop them
10:49 psydruid; killing that industry is not a bad thing?
10:49 mjg59_; I'll admit that I've taken the side of "Make this work so people can benefit" rather than "Pretend it's impossible so maybe a court will take our side"
10:49 reptilian_thrills; killing that industry is not a bad thing? <- only wishing them death :)
10:49 psydruid; maybe that industry should just die?
10:49 MinceR; if we had a replacement, it wouldn't be
10:49 MinceR; but making an integrated circuit at home is hard
10:50 reptilian_thrills; I'll admit that I've taken the side of "Make this work so people can benefit" rather than "Pretend it's impossible so maybe a court will take our side" <- there are pros and cons of both approaches
10:50 MinceR; and in the end, we'll all die anyway because the human species is a fucking failure
10:50 reptilian_thrills; the con of your approach is they get to keep changing the rules and we dance for them
10:50 psydruid; making an integrated circuit at home should become dead simple
10:50 mjg59_; It's cool, we'll replace existing hardware with improved Z80s running code that only builds with tcc
10:50 MinceR; we'll die out as a species, not only as individuals
10:50 psydruid; that's the kind of industry I want
10:50 reptilian_thrills; It's cool, we'll replace existing hardware with improved Z80s running code that only builds with tcc <- if not for this channel, that w3ould be a strawman :)
10:51 MinceR; i doubt i can afford to even do the Z80 thing, as the thing my X60s is too slow to run definitely won't run on a Z80
10:51 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: If someone came up with a coherent strategy to prevent the corporations from just changing the rules I'd go with that, but that's not what's been presented
10:51 MinceR; plus i don't like having application errors corrupt kernel memory
10:51 reptilian_thrills; but that's not what's been presented <- freedom is taken more often than its agreed upon
10:51 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: And in the absence of that, I'd rather ensure that people can take advantage of what's available rather than deny them that in the hope that in the future we'll find a better way
10:52 mjg59_; If someone convinces me there's a better way? I'm on it.
10:52 reptilian_thrills; i would say that sometimes its better to refuse to play by their rules
10:52 reptilian_thrills; than to make everything work their way
10:52 MinceR; for that, you don't have to pretend what you're helping to support is actually an improvement over what it replaces
10:52 reptilian_thrills; note i said sometimes
10:52 mjg59_; If it were just me, sure
10:52 reptilian_thrills; especially if its not just you
10:52 MinceR; you don't have to advertise how great and "secure" it is, when it isn't
10:53 mjg59_; But it's "Can people buy a laptop that's on the market and run a Free OS on it"
10:53 psydruid; it's better to not use devices than to use backdoored and malicious ones
10:53 MinceR; you don't have to pretend it wasn't invented to strengthen MICROS~1's stranglehold on the ruins of the IT industry either.
10:53 MinceR; but all this should be trivial for dr. supragenius
10:53 reptilian_thrills; it's better to not use devices than to use backdoored and malicious ones <- mostly yes, as a rule yes
10:53 mjg59_; Cool we can insist that you don't get to benefit from free software unless you buy a specific Chinese MIPS laptop
10:53 reptilian_thrills; im crazy enough to consider exceptions. but they should be exceptions
10:53 MinceR; 08 115301 < mjg59_> But it's "Can people buy a laptop that's on the market and run a Free OS on it"
10:54 MinceR; sure you can, as long as you don't mind a ton of really crappy nonfree code also running on it
10:54 reptilian_thrills; we can insist that you don't get to benefit from free software unless you buy a specific Chinese MIPS laptop <- that was never the position of the fsf
10:54 reptilian_thrills; again youre doing the framing thing
10:54 mjg59_; Sure I'm exaggerating for effect
10:54 MinceR; and maybe having to take the thing apart with torx screwdrivers and spudgers so you can make it boot
10:54 TR News; Radiation https://hackaday.com/2022/11/07/dosimetry-measuring-radiation/ | Source: Hackaday
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10:54 TR Bot; Measuring Radiation | Hackaday
10:54 MinceR; this was all easier before UEFI
10:54 mjg59_; But some of that is the FSF framing a certain level of non-free code as acceptable under certain circumstances
10:54 MinceR; and more reliable
10:55 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> Sure I'm exaggerating for effect <- youre too good at it. you know if you do it often enough they make you a senator. some people (even you) might consider that even worse than working for microsoft
10:55 MinceR; the FSF pretends that there's only Total Lack of Freedom and Perfect Freedom
10:55 psydruid; exaggerating for maximum distraction
10:55 MinceR; and they lump a lot of crap in the latter that doesn't belong there
10:55 mjg59_; Urrrgh I promise you as someone who has dealt with BIOS that UEFI is not significantly worse
10:55 TR News; Disinformation https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/11/turkeys-new-disinformation-law-spells-trouble-free-expression | EFF endorsing Microsoft (DDG) crap is ALSO "Disinformation"
10:55 TR Bot; Turkey's New Disinformation Law Spells Trouble For Free Expression | Electronic Frontier Foundation
10:55 reptilian_thrills; the FSF pretends <- that it still exists
10:55 MinceR; "i promise you" as someone who's been running free OS-es on PC-s for decades that UEFI is significantly worse
10:56 MinceR; i never had to take apart a non-UEFI PC to make it bootable again.
10:56 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> But some of that is the FSF framing a certain level of non-free code as acceptable under certain circumstances <- that one bothers a lot of people, including me
10:56 reptilian_thrills; ive made a devils advocate argument for it
10:56 MinceR; i never had to try to use a jumper or to disconnect a battery to erase BIOS settings before UEFI either.
10:56 mjg59_; I'm running UEFI on this machine that involves literally the same amount of non-free software that BIOS would use on this machine
10:56 reptilian_thrills; but its a strategic argument based on things chnaging
10:56 TR News; "As of today, nodejs14 as well as any older nodejs versions will no longer receive updates in openSUSE Leap 15.4." https://news.opensuse.org/2022/11/07/nodejs14-eol-leap/ | Source: OpenSUSE
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10:56 TR Bot; No more updates for nodejs14, below in Leap 15.4 - openSUSE News
10:56 MinceR; the first PC i've ever had that has no CSM, i had to take apart and disconnect the SSD so i could unbrick it
10:57 MinceR; and the firmware bug is still there
10:57 reptilian_thrills; i never had to take apart a non-UEFI PC to make it bootable again. <- ive never bricked a bios without literally frying a component
10:57 MinceR; and if some malicious software were to create one efivar for every M.2 port and for every USB port, it would be completely bricked.
10:57 TR News; "Late last week, Z-Library lost control over its main domain names." https://torrentfreak.com/z-library-aftermath-reveals-that-the-feds-seized-dozens-of-domain-names-221107/ | Source: Torrent Freak
10:57 TR Bot; Aftermath Reveals The Feds Seized Dozens of Domain Names * TorrentFreak
10:57 mjg59_; Yeah, and I've had to deal with reinstalling grub because I moved a hard drive and it ended up with a different BIOS boot number
10:57 MinceR; and if it did have CSM, i could boot it in such a way that software wouldn't have access to efivars
10:57 MinceR; but it doesn't, so i can't
10:58 reptilian_thrills; and it ended up with a different BIOS boot number <- doesnt grub have a mode that lets you fix that by simply typing something
10:58 mjg59_; Ignoring all the bullshit with grub skipping the BIOS entry point so you couldn't use EDD to identify drive numbers before installing it
10:58 MinceR; you can reinstall grub by booting off USB
10:58 MinceR; my laptop wouldn't boot off USB
10:58 MinceR; the firmware would crash before i could tell it to, or enter setup.
10:58 mjg59_; So you literally couldn't install grub correctly without making guesses about the BIOS
10:58 MinceR; because UEFI is an overcomplicated piece of shit that nobody could make work properly
10:58 mjg59_; And, then, well, lilo
10:58 mjg59_; Fucking joke of a bootloader
10:58 reptilian_thrills; had to start somewhere
10:59 mjg59_; Yeah, but should have been dead by 1993
10:59 psydruid; BIOS is a crappy implementation of a system firmware
10:59 mjg59_; Look BIOS fucking sucked
10:59 MinceR; also, afaict the whole bullshit about "you don't get to enter setup" is also a UEFI "feature"
10:59 reptilian_thrills; the bootsector did what originally
10:59 TR News; iophk: [devuan-based peppermint] still no torrent. all the download files should have been in place days ago https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=https://www.muylinux.com/2022/11/07/peppermint-debian-devuan/
10:59 TR Bot; Peppermint asienta sus cambios con un nuevo lanzamiento
10:59 psydruid; UEFI is an even crappier one
10:59 reptilian_thrills; it was more of a pointer
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
10:59 mjg59_; We shouldn't romanticise it
10:59 psydruid; this industry just loves selling mediocre crap
10:59 mjg59_; It was no Open Firmware
10:59 mjg59_; Nobody ever wrote a song about BIOS
11:00 reptilian_thrills; george washington sucked. thankfully now we have trump, biden and pnac
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11:00 MinceR; you shouldn't romanticise UEFI
11:00 TR News; iophk: canonical ought to be out making hay with this www.computerworld.com/article/3678853/for-windows-8-the-end-is-near.html
11:00 mjg59_; If they had it would be 150 bpm death metal and at the end you get sprayed with blood
11:00 MinceR; UEFI is badly designed, badly implemented and the whole intention behind it is evil
11:00 TR News; iophk: fails to even mention Linux Mint or any other GNU/Linux distro www.pcworld.com/article/398720/best-free-antivirus.html
11:00 reptilian_thrills; Nobody ever wrote a song about BIOS <- they did though
11:00 MinceR; so, UEFI is like systemd
11:00 reptilian_thrills; it was two beeps
11:01 reptilian_thrills; not much of a song
11:01 *techuser (~techuser@ws2bs482xtmk6.irc) has joined #techrights
11:01 MinceR; it exists to take our freedom away
11:01 MinceR; reptilian_thrills: they should have gotten hp to do it
11:01 mjg59_; A lot of UEFI's bullshit is because of x86 architectural design (and, uh, to be fair ACPI)
11:01 reptilian_thrills; not to take it away
11:01 TR News; ZDNet trying not to smear GNU/Linux this one time https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-is-not-just-for-developers-and-command-line-pros/
=> ↺ https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-is-not-just-for-developers-and-command-line-pros/
11:01 TR Bot; is not just for developers and command line pros | ZDNET
11:01 MinceR; they made their UEFI firmware play a little song when you enter the admin password
11:01 reptilian_thrills; to NUDGE it towards corporate freedom in lieu of ours
11:01 mjg59_; You have two phases of UEFI because on system resume you need to re-init the hardware before passing control back to the OS
11:01 MinceR; they couldn't make "legacy" boot entries actually work, though
11:01 reptilian_thrills; like a bulldozer
11:01 MinceR; but, you know, they did the important part.
11:01 TR News; This is an attack on GNU/Linux users; they get to CLAIMS it's "supported" in Linux (not really) https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-teams-pwa-is-now-available-on-linux/
=> ↺ https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-teams-pwa-is-now-available-on-linux/
11:01 TR Bot; Microsoft Teams PWA is now available on Linux - Neowin
11:02 mjg59_; So there's the "Init enough for the OS" phase, which on initial boot is then followed by "Init enough for the bootloader"
11:02 TR News; iophk: probably tied to bayer/monsanto cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/microsoft-launches-project-on-agri-tech-in-baramati/95368887
11:02 mjg59_; And in BIOS there was no clear distinction between those, so implementations were just weird
11:02 reptilian_thrills; (and, uh, to be fair ACPI <- i like that acpi sucks so hard that it actually made FUTURE encroachments on users worse
11:02 MinceR; most of the UEFI's bullshit is because it is MICROS~1's vehicle for Restricted Boot, which was invented to lock our PCs into Backdoors
11:02 mjg59_; Oh all the worst bits of UEFI predate that
11:03 TR News; iophk: twitter only ever used "verification" as endorsement
11:03 reptilian_thrills; most of the UEFI's bullshit is because it is MICROS~1's vehicle for Restricted Boot <- is it? i thought because it was an overengineered bloated piece of shit
11:03 MinceR; yeah, they didn't brag about their intentions early on
11:03 mjg59_; That didn't turn up in the spec at all until 2010, and by then we were already fucked
11:03 MinceR; what a fucking surprise, that.
11:03 TR News; The musk falls off https://boingboing.net/2022/11/07/elon-musk-uses-twitter-to-tell-independents-vote-for-a-republican.html
11:03 TR Bot; Elon Musk uses Twitter to tell Independents: "Vote for a Republican" | Boing Boing
11:03 MinceR; and i'm expected to be naive about this
11:03 mjg59_; UEFI is a perfect example of how companies like Intel promote people
11:03 TR News; windows tco nytimes.com/2022/11/07/business/cuny-jobs-tech.html
11:03 MinceR; "oh, hey, i know MICROS~1 has done everything they could to take all your freedom away, but JUST THIS ONE TIME it's different, i swear!"
11:03 MinceR; fuck you.
11:04 MinceR; and fuck intHell too.
11:04 reptilian_thrills; JUST THIS ONE TIME it's differen <- ofc
11:04 MinceR; they couldn't even be bothered to support some sane filesystem or executable formate.
11:04 MinceR; s/ate/at/
11:04 MinceR; it has to be blatantly ALL MICROS~1 ALL THE WAY
11:04 mjg59_; Those design decisions come from the 90s
11:04 MinceR; and i'm supposed to believe it wasn't designed to screw me
11:04 MinceR; "design decision" is giving them too much credit
11:05 TR News; aclu https://www.aclu-tn.org/aclu-tn-victorious-lawsuit-protect-davidson-county-voters-wake-ballot-errors/
11:05 reptilian_thrills; "oh, hey, i know MICROS~1 has done everything they could to take all your freedom away, but JUST THIS ONE TIME it's different <- https://www.angryflower.com/384.html
=> ↺ https://www.angryflower.com/384.html
11:05 TR Bot; ACLU-TN Victorious in Lawsuit to Protect Davidson County Voters in Wake of Ballot Errors - ACLU of Tennessee
11:05 MinceR; also, wasn't the big selling point about UEFI how "modern" and new and shiny and "hip" and "cool" it was?
11:05 TR Bot; Bob the Angry Flower - Good Hitler
11:05 mjg59_; At the point they were designing EFI, Linux just wasn't an enterprise thing
11:05 MinceR; but it was impossible to improve on design decisions from the 90s?
11:05 mjg59_; What was a thing was proprietary UNIX
11:05 MinceR; yeah, how MICROS~1 and dehomag regret that it isn't anymore
11:05 mjg59_; And HP and IBM and SGI just went along with that
11:06 MinceR; 3 whole OS vendors?
11:06 MinceR; unthinkable today.
11:06 mjg59_; The same vendors who'd tried to get Windows NT running on their hardware
11:06 mjg59_; So they were all already friendly with using MS specs
11:06 MinceR; today MICROS~1 gets to show its siamese twin crApple to the government and say, "see, we do have competition!"
11:06 MinceR; and then they get to do to us whatever they feel like.
11:06 mjg59_; Linux was still trying to support SMP
11:07 mjg59_; If it had happened even like three years later, things would probably have looked very different
11:07 mjg59_; But free software just didn't have a seat at the table then
11:07 MinceR; it never did
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11:07 MinceR; it still doesn't
11:07 MinceR; systemd/Linux is not free software
11:07 mjg59_; A shitload of UEFI design decisions since then have been driven by free software
11:07 reptilian_thrills; free software just didn't have a seat at the table then <- but microsoft has seats at lf and osi
11:07 reptilian_thrills; and every distro the fsf promotes except one
11:07 MinceR; yeah
11:08 MinceR; specifically by the desire to extinguish free software
11:08 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: Whoever gets there first and still survives tends to maintain influence in a wider space
11:08 MinceR; we can't buy a PC without UEFI specifically to make it more difficult or impossible to run free software on a PC
11:08 MinceR; occasionally MICROS~1 even admitted this
11:08 MinceR; in email, they talked about "whacking" dHell for offering another OS as a preinstalled option
11:09 reptilian_thrills; Whoever gets there first and still survives tends to maintain influence in a wider space <- stating a fact doesnt make it good (or even inevitable)
11:09 mjg59_; Eh the primary economic reason was that it was getting increasingly hard to find people who could write x86 assembly
11:09 reptilian_thrills; thats just the way it is
11:09 MinceR; did this make the government of the USA do anything to make the PC OS market free? fuck no.
11:09 mjg59_; Vendors were happy to shift to an environment where they could hire C programmers
11:09 reptilian_thrills; some thingsll never change
11:09 MinceR; they took people's money and freedom and gave nothing for it.
11:09 MinceR; the "social contract" is a fucking scam, always was.
11:10 reptilian_thrills; antisocial
11:10 TR News; "Want to get the Wii U emulator Cemu working on Linux? It's now a little easier, as they've providing an AppImage" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/cemu-emulator-for-wii-u-now-provides-an-appimage/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
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11:10 TR Bot; emulator for Wii U now provides an AppImage | GamingOnLinux
11:10 MinceR; i can still write x86 assembly
11:10 TR News; "GE-Proton is the community-maintained version of the Windows compatibility layer Proton" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/ge-proton-7-39-released-improving-overwatch-2-for-steam-deck-linux/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
11:10 TR Bot; 7-39 released improving Overwatch 2 for Steam Deck & Linux | GamingOnLinux
11:11 reptilian_thrills; Whoever gets there first and still survives tends to maintain influence in a wider space <- at a certain point this violates antitrust law, but its hard to find unicorns these days
11:11 psydruid; I can do so too, I'd rather prefer not to
11:11 MinceR; i'd rather write x86 assembly than give money for hardware i don't get to own
11:11 reptilian_thrills; the beatings will continue until the free hardware movement improves
11:11 psydruid; I'd rather write RISC-V assembly
11:12 mjg59_; And yet we exist in a capitalist society
11:12 *techuser (~techuser@cd8i9z2wmgmrn.irc) has joined #techrights
11:12 MinceR; and what do you mean by that?
11:12 reptilian_thrills; And yet we exist in a capitalist society <- which is bollocks
11:12 TR News; "Recently, I ran two different polls to find out how people with a Steam Deck used their device (or if they didn't much) and the results are out now" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/surprising-probably-no-one-most-people-use-the-steam-deck-as-a-handheld/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
11:12 TR Bot; probably no one, most people use the Steam Deck as a handheld | GamingOnLinux
11:13 reptilian_thrills; /me doesnt think capitalism and free software can coexist
11:13 reptilian_thrills; okay, fuck capitalism then
11:13 psydruid; "you'll have to buy our hardware, it's our way or the highway"
11:13 *MinceR doesn't think it's productive to use "capitalism" without a solid definition
11:13 reptilian_thrills; doesnt think capitalism and free software can coexist <- used to, ask me what happened
11:13 reptilian_thrills; ACTION doesn't think it's productive to use "capitalism" without a solid definition
11:13 reptilian_thrills; d
11:13 reptilian_thrills; <- there is one, you reject it
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; i think it's mistaking different domension
11:14 MinceR; no, there are a million
11:14 schestowitz[TR]; capitalism is not against sharing
11:14 schestowitz[TR]; frree sofwtare is for sharing
11:14 MinceR; and there's never any indication of which one people are using
11:14 reptilian_thrills; i think it's mistaking <- no it isnt
11:14 schestowitz[TR]; software existed underc capitalism while schilars shared
11:14 schestowitz[TR]; universities that wewr capitalist
11:14 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> capitalism is not against sharing <- of course it is
11:14 MinceR; ...at the moment
11:14 psydruid; and yet we exist in a capitalist prison, just don't try to break out of it
11:15 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> capitalism is not against sharing <- this is beside the point anyway
11:15 reptilian_thrills; capitalism concentrates power
11:15 schestowitz[TR]; right
11:15 schestowitz[TR]; that's an issue
11:15 reptilian_thrills; this is at oodds with why free software exists
11:15 schestowitz[TR]; but let's focus on what capitalism states or stands for
11:15 reptilian_thrills; ut let's focus on what capitalism states or stands for <- how about no
11:15 reptilian_thrills; how about instead, we look at what it actually does
11:15 reptilian_thrills; and why that means it cant coexist with free software
11:15 schestowitz[TR]; I don't think capitalism stands for monopoly either
11:16 schestowitz[TR]; but de facto modern capitalism seems to
11:16 psydruid; capitalism had to curb free software and did so
11:16 reptilian_thrills; capitalism had to curb free software and did so <- to me thats enough reason
11:16 mjg59_; What I mean is that yes I'd rather we had differnt and more equitable outcomes, but we don't get to simply get those outcomes because a bunch of people with more money have more influence in them
11:17 psydruid; but it was also free software's flaw to be so easy to control
11:17 mjg59_; What I will say is that free software has had a louder voice in some of these decision making processes than I expected
11:17 reptilian_thrills; 1. look at what capitalism did to watson, ballmer and musk 2. look at what it did to manning, assange and stallman
11:17 schestowitz[TR]; LT had CNN pulls this trap on him
11:17 reptilian_thrills; i dont know what else you even need to know about this
11:17 schestowitz[TR]; asking if he was a socialist or something
11:17 schestowitz[TR]; because of his father he needs to be cautious answering that
11:17 MinceR; i am against sharing my home with random strangers
11:17 MinceR; i guess that makes me a bad person
11:17 psydruid; something that is truly owned and written by the masses can never be controlled
11:17 reptilian_thrills; unfortunately, stallman is barely a socialist
11:17 mjg59_; Like, free software isn't incompatible with capitalism
11:17 mjg59_; But it's running at a disadvantage
11:18 MinceR; i am also against sharing my personal workstation with random strangers
11:18 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: that's "property rights"
11:18 reptilian_thrills; free software isn't incompatible with capitalism <- no, capitalism is just incompatible with humanity and anything sustainable
11:18 MinceR; as it's a means of production, that probably makes me even more of a bad person
11:18 schestowitz[TR]; not ther same as the financial system
11:18 schestowitz[TR]; more like governance principle
11:18 MinceR; 08 121710 < mjg59_> What I will say is that free software has had a louder voice in some of these decision making processes than I expected
11:18 reptilian_thrills; i am also against sharing my personal workstation with random strangers <- thats personal property, even most communists dont have an issue with that
11:18 MinceR; i guess that's what MICROS~1 paid you to say
11:19 MinceR; while they got everything they wanted until there was backlash against one of their Backdoors logo sticker requirements
11:19 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: clown computing
11:19 MinceR; which set them back for a short bit
11:19 TR News; "SCS Soft have announced the big American Truck Simulator - Texas DLC will be releasing on November 15th." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/american-truck-simulator-texas-releases-on-november-15th/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
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11:19 TR Bot; Truck Simulator - Texas releases on November 15th | GamingOnLinux
11:20 TR News; "Plot of the Druid has released featuring some more sarcastic British humour" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/comedy-point-and-click-adventure-plot-of-the-druid-is-now-in-early-access/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
11:20 TR Bot; point and click adventure Plot of the Druid is now in Early Access | GamingOnLinux
11:20 MinceR; > humanity and anything sustainable
11:20 MinceR; humanity is not sustainable
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11:20 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: depends
11:20 MinceR; even the corpses won't last forever
11:20 MinceR; neither will the monuments
11:20 schestowitz[TR]; as hunter gatherers I think we stood better chance at LONG-TERM sruvival
11:21 MinceR; yeah
11:21 schestowitz[TR]; even if humans didn't live long back then
11:21 MinceR; we could get close to the point when the Sun blows away our atmosphere and dries up our oceans
11:21 schestowitz[TR]; poking sticks at fruit and animals
11:21 MinceR; as we stand now, we won't get nearly as close
11:21 reptilian_thrills; as hunter gatherers I think we stood better chance at LONG-TERM sruvival <- well, no
11:21 mjg59_; MinceR: I know it's an easy opinion to hold, but seriously, MS has not paid me to say anything
11:21 reptilian_thrills; because without civilisation we probably never would have developed the means to escape the sun exploding
11:21 schestowitz[TR]; instead of building mega-platforms that suck trillions of litres of oil from under the ground
11:22 MinceR; if humans were as intelligent as they advertise themselves (parallel with mjg59_), we'd have a chance of leaving the planet before the Sun kills us, and we could spread between multiple solar systems
11:22 mjg59_; MinceR: I appreciate that it may involve you thinking less of me, but I promise that I hold these opinions for free
11:22 reptilian_thrills; not that i love civilisation, its basically a nice way to say colonialism
11:22 MinceR; reptilian_thrills: yeah, civilization would be nice to have
11:22 reptilian_thrills; reptilian_thrills: yeah, civilization would be nice to hav <- ah, then it wouldnt be civilisation
11:23 MinceR; it isn't
11:23 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: I don't remember how long we have until the SUn expands, but it's a LOT
11:23 reptilian_thrills; and if it was, it wouldnt be
11:23 schestowitz[TR]; from memory, the planet is 4 billion years
11:23 schestowitz[TR]; life about 1 billion
11:23 schestowitz[TR]; and humans 150,000
11:23 reptilian_thrills; but it's a LOT <- you said LONG TERM you didnt say how long
11:23 schestowitz[TR]; depends on what "counts" as human
11:23 MinceR; schestowitz[TR]: about 1 billion years until we're without an atmosphere, about 5 until the Earth's current orbit is absorbed by the Sun
11:23 schestowitz[TR]; and sun expands in billions of years from now
11:23 schestowitz[TR]; maybe 6?
11:24 MinceR; 5
11:24 reptilian_thrills; about 1 billion years until we're without an atmosphere <- so we should probably get moving
11:24 MinceR; it probably starts before then
11:24 schestowitz[TR]; ok, I checked a while ago
11:24 schestowitz[TR]; it was 6 billions then
11:24 MinceR; we should have gotten moving a few decades ago
11:24 schestowitz[TR]; nit's 5 now
11:24 reptilian_thrills; the good news is i think we can get out of the solar system
11:24 schestowitz[TR]; I ages a little ;-)
11:24 schestowitz[TR]; *aged
11:24 mjg59_; It's cool, Elon says we'll be on Mars by the end of the year
11:24 reptilian_thrills; the bad news is, we had to bomb japan first
11:24 MinceR; we should have at least stopped boiling ourselves on a planet we can't escape
11:24 MinceR; but no
11:24 MinceR; yeah, elon can suffocate on mars by the end of the year
11:24 reptilian_thrills; we should have at least stopped boiling ourselves on a planet we can't escape <- still possible
11:24 MinceR; we can't even fix earth and elon is dreaming about terraforming mars
11:24 MinceR; laughable.
11:25 reptilian_thrills; self-driving mars
11:25 schestowitz[TR]; it's posing for attention
11:25 schestowitz[TR]; why rich people speaak about space
11:25 mjg59_; I'm willing to believe that climate change is going to destroy existing civilisation and result in billions of deaths
11:25 schestowitz[TR]; (even ones who don't grasp basic science)
11:25 schestowitz[TR]; 1) vanity/status
11:25 schestowitz[TR]; 2) hobby
11:25 mjg59_; I doubt it'll actually wipe out humanity
11:25 MinceR; it can't, because we can't build civilization until then
11:25 schestowitz[TR]; 3) attention
11:25 schestowitz[TR]; 4) legacy
11:25 reptilian_thrills; I'm willing to believe that climate change is going to destroy existing civilisation and result in billions of deaths <- it could do that
11:25 MinceR; and global warming isn't the only thing we're doing to ourselves
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; 5) fantasy about eternal life, connected to narcissism (they need to stand out SOMEHOW)
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; travling to mares is infeasable atm
11:26 MinceR; we developed WMDs and handed them out to religious fundamentalist zealots whose religion "teaches" them not to mind everybody dying
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; for humans
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; even just getting there is hard
11:26 mjg59_; The worst case scenarios still result in habitable portions of the world - unless it triggers apocalyptic military conflict for those, people will survive
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; staying there is a lot harder
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; coming back almost impossible
11:26 MinceR; we developed all the ideologies that suggest that we should split humanity into 2 factions, have one kill the other off, and repeat
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; you need a rocket just to get out of its gravty
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; so you need a rocket to carry another rokcte
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; for the round trip
11:27 reptilian_thrills; The worst case scenarios still result in habitable portions of the world <- as long as theres an atmosphere
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; the whole thing is sci-fi BS
11:27 MinceR; i wonder what the habitable portion will be in global nuclear winter
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; while people go broke and hungary at home
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; hungry
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; or hungary
11:27 MinceR; some part of the atmosphere above the soot?
11:27 mjg59_; We could set fire to pretty much everything and there'd still be enough oxygen to sustain life
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; almost the same thing now
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; thanks, orban
11:27 reptilian_thrills; the whole thing is sci-fi BS <- thats what they say about the moon landing too
11:28 reptilian_thrills; even after it was accomplished
11:28 MinceR; some people still say it was faked
11:28 MinceR; because humanity is a failure
11:28 mjg59_; I want to make it clear that the fact that we're the sort of people who are sitting on IRC right now means we're probably not going to be in the set of people who survive
11:28 schestowitz[TR]; <reptilian_thrills> the whole thing is sci-fi BS <- thats what they say about the moon landing too
11:28 schestowitz[TR]; which part?
11:28 MinceR; that's easy to say
11:28 schestowitz[TR]; the soviets crashing objects into the moon?
11:28 MinceR; since that set is the empty set
11:28 schestowitz[TR]; or the US sending a man there
11:28 schestowitz[TR]; or several
11:28 schestowitz[TR]; after soviets sent a dog to space
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; lykha
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; iirc, it died
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; like putin's army
11:29 mjg59_; But you don't need that many people to have a wide enough gene pool to repopulate over a sufficiently long time
11:29 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> or the US sending a man ther <- the moon landing in july 1969
11:29 reptilian_thrills; But you don't need that many people to have a wide enough gene pool to repopulate over a sufficiently long time <- consolation prize
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; yeah, but it was a short an expensive trip
11:29 reptilian_thrills; it would be nice to save humanity without destroying it first
11:30 schestowitz[TR]; fly, take selfies, hop around, take some "video in portrait mode", fly back
11:30 MinceR; and even if that happens, that's still a gene pool that consists of human genes
11:30 MinceR; so, still doomed to fail
11:30 schestowitz[TR]; all this just to "prove" the pre-gaegan system worked better
11:30 schestowitz[TR]; *Reagan
11:30 MinceR; still the same defenselessness against memetic pathogens
11:30 MinceR; still the same stupidity
11:30 MinceR; still the same evilness
11:31 schestowitz[TR]; boston uni now develops enhancd covid-19
11:31 schestowitz[TR]; which they say is 50 times more lethal than wuhamn virus
11:31 MinceR; still the same incompatibility with the idea of civilization
11:31 schestowitz[TR]; just to make a point
11:31 schestowitz[TR]; in the lab
11:31 MinceR; nice
11:31 schestowitz[TR]; not speculation
11:31 MinceR; they could wipe us all out and maybe spare some eukaryotes for a while
11:31 schestowitz[TR]; they published a paper about how they did it
11:31 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Uh they literally didn't say that
11:31 schestowitz[TR]; fist author is chinese name
11:31 schestowitz[TR]; which I found ironic
11:31 MinceR; unfortunately, SARS-CoV-2 is good at infecting all sorts of mammals
11:31 MinceR; so it would probably wipe them all out
11:32 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: they tested on rats
11:32 MinceR; but at least plants could survive for a while
11:32 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: 100% of the rats died with original COVID-19
11:32 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: 80% died with what they produced
11:32 MinceR; and all sorts of non-mammal animals
11:32 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.13.512134v1
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11:32 TR Bot; Role of spike in the pathogenic and antigenic behavior of SARS-CoV-2 BA.1 Omicron | bioRxiv
11:33 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.jax.org/strain/034860
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11:33 TR Bot; 034860 - K18-hACE2 Strain Details
11:33 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: They compared against Omicron - the virus they produced was more effective at killing rats than Omicron was, but less effective than the original strain
11:33 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/vet_biologics/publications/notice_05_23.pdf
=> ↺ https://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/vet_biologics/publications/notice_05_23.pdf
11:33 mjg59_; Dude you have a fucking PhD in biology why are you so bad at this
11:33 reptilian_thrills; its not in biology
11:33 reptilian_thrills; its in applied statistics
11:34 reptilian_thrills; and he doesnt apply them
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; not biology
11:34 mjg59_; Ok cool so you're not qualified to talk about biology
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; I read half of mg's thesis
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; in a hurry
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; it's about sequence analysis
11:34 mjg59_; In the same way I'm apparently not qualified to talk about CS
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; dna
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; I did analysis of brains mostly
11:34 MinceR;
11:34 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> In the same way I'm apparently not qualified to talk about CS <- even if you apply it
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; image proicessing and statistical analysis of them
11:34 mjg59_; Awesome
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; neither of us is a GP
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; at least I have a CS degree
11:35 schestowitz[TR]; and my phd was done in two facuilties
11:35 schestowitz[TR]; inc. CS
11:35 reptilian_thrills; fun fact, you have to be able to prescribe medicine to talk about biology. a phd in biology simply wont do
11:35 mjg59_; The BU research was about attempting to identify what aspects of COVID strains in the field related to how serious it was
11:35 schestowitz[TR]; I ran large clusters of fedora in the labs overnight
11:35 schestowitz[TR]; so it was a lot of programming
11:35 reptilian_thrills; medical doctors are the only ones that understand living organisms
11:35 schestowitz[TR]; and then orchestrating experiments
11:35 mjg59_; They took a strain of rat that, when exposed to the original Wuhan varient of COVID, died in 100% of cases
11:36 mjg59_; The same rat, when exposed to Omicron, died in far fewer cases
11:36 reptilian_thrills; not the exact same one
11:36 schestowitz[TR]; <mjg59_> Dude you have a fucking PhD in biology
11:36 reptilian_thrills; obviously
11:36 schestowitz[TR]; medical biophysics
11:36 schestowitz[TR]; not biology
11:36 reptilian_thrills; unless they had a special lab rat that could die more than once
11:36 reptilian_thrills; which would be really useful but probably expensive
11:36 mjg59_; They manipulated synthetic strains of Omicron to attempt to identify which aspects influenced mortality
11:36 schestowitz[TR]; and made hybrids
11:37 schestowitz[TR]; which were found to be more deadly
11:37 schestowitz[TR]; so they gave pointers
11:37 mjg59_; And they found that turning specific bits of Omicron back into the Wuhan varient resulted in the mortaility getting close to the original strain
11:37 schestowitz[TR]; to any other lab looking to weaponise the virus
11:37 schestowitz[TR]; at risk of also this one coming out of the lab
11:37 schestowitz[TR]; in BU
11:37 mjg59_; Which gives us information about what actually makes COVID deadly
11:37 mjg59_; But doesn't let us make it more deadly
11:38 mjg59_; Because we already know the sequence of the original strain
11:38 schestowitz[TR]; it's a manual for how making enhanced coronavirus
11:38 mjg59_; Anyone who wanted to weaponise it could just use the original strain
11:38 schestowitz[TR]; and in the process they recreate or create new strains
11:38 schestowitz[TR]; in the lab
11:38 reptilian_thrills; /me tries to figure out which doctor is better suited to creating british tabloids
11:38 MinceR; what if we wanted it to be more deadly and spread at least as well as omicron, though?
11:38 mjg59_; We don't need to make enhanced coronavirus because they made something that was no more effective than one that already existed!
11:39 schestowitz[TR]; btw, lateer oday ONS releases new data
11:39 schestowitz[TR]; I really look forward to that every day
11:39 reptilian_thrills; We don't need to make enhanced coronavirus because they made something that was no more effective than one that already existed <- or maybe the 5g rays are making you say that
11:39 mjg59_; MinceR: Omicron spreads because of immune evasion of original COVID, not because it's inherently more infectious
11:39 MinceR; so what if we wanted it to be more deadly and evade immunity to original SARS-CoV-2?
11:39 mjg59_; That's not what this research presented
11:40 TR News; "The team behind OBS Studio announced that AMD have become a Diamond Sponsor of the OBS Project, helping fund future development." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/amd-becomes-a-diamond-sponsor-of-obs-studio/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
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11:40 TR Bot; becomes a 'Diamond' sponsor of OBS Studio | GamingOnLinux
11:40 *schestowitz[TR] checks uk portals
11:40 mjg59_; But if BU could come up with that in a few months, a government who wanted to could do it much faster
11:40 MinceR; indeed
11:40 mjg59_; BU's a fine university
11:40 schestowitz[TR]; oh!! It's out already
11:40 schestowitz[TR]; 11:40am
11:40 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> ACTION checks uk portals <- aperature science!
11:40 mjg59_; But it's not amazing
11:40 schestowitz[TR]; ""
11:40 schestowitz[TR]; Release date:
11:40 schestowitz[TR]; 08 November 2022
11:40 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales
11:40 TR Bot; Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional - Office for National Statistics
11:41 MinceR; :)
11:41 schestowitz[TR]; 49 dead infants in the week
11:41 mjg59_; The BU research didn't make a more deadly COVID, and it doesn't make it meaningfully easier for a bad actor to make a more deadly COVID
11:41 reptilian_thrills; plot twist: humanity gets taken over by uefi nanobots instead
11:42 MinceR; lol
11:42 schestowitz[TR]; I will plot some charts
11:42 MinceR; 99% of the software installed on the nanobots is UEFI itself
11:42 reptilian_thrills; but at least theyre not bios nanobots
11:42 reptilian_thrills; those were fucking tedious
11:42 mjg59_; There's an entirely separate question of whether it was justifiable or ethical research!
11:42 mjg59_; I don't know enough to say
11:42 reptilian_thrills; why wouldnt it be ethical?
11:43 reptilian_thrills; what problem was there
11:43 MinceR; i'm not worried by the knowledge they come up with
11:43 MinceR; i'm worried by what this failed species will use it for
11:43 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: Ethics boards are supposed to be involved with live virus research
11:43 mjg59_; Because what if it escapes blah blah blah
11:43 mjg59_; There's some suggestion that the paperwork in this case didn't accurately represent potential outcomes
11:43 mjg59_; I don't know whether that's true
11:44 mjg59_; I haven't read it
11:44 mjg59_; But 11:31 < schestowitz[TR]> which they say is 50 times more lethal than wuhamn virus
11:45 mjg59_; That's just untrue
11:45 reptilian_thrills; untruerights
11:45 mjg59_; They produced something less lethal than wuhan
11:46 reptilian_thrills; when i step in the biolab you know i step correct! WUHAN! WUHAN! i got you all in check!
11:46 schestowitz[TR]; getting hand calculator
11:46 MinceR; wuhan is lethal mostly because of the stalinist humans in it, not because of viruses :>
11:46 mjg59_; Odd way to talk about masturbation, but ok
11:46 MinceR; reptilian_thrills: wuhan clan?
11:46 MinceR; lol
11:46 reptilian_thrills; aint nothin to fuck with
11:47 mjg59_; Fuck Martin Skrelli
11:47 reptilian_thrills; #metoo ?
11:47 schestowitz[TR]; NHS and ONS use OOXML
11:47 MinceR; PoundMeToo!
11:47 schestowitz[TR]; and it's hard to do this properly, maybe that's aprt of the goal
11:47 schestowitz[TR]; they also outsource to "Microsoft BI"
11:47 schestowitz[TR]; B=bribery
11:48 schestowitz[TR]; I="intelligence" as in spying on whistleblower
11:48 reptilian_thrills; mjg: what do you think of microsoft co-opting trans rights with their flag thing
11:48 mjg59_; Oh I guess Roy's moved on from defending his obvously false claim
11:48 reptilian_thrills; admittedly a loaded question
11:49 MinceR; Microsoft <3 trans rights
11:49 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: I will take corporations presenting even token support for groups who are discriminated against over them not doing so
11:49 MinceR; (like Linux)
11:49 mjg59_; In the current political climate they're placing themselves at some risk
11:49 reptilian_thrills; even token support <- even when it just sells tshirts?
11:49 MinceR; mjg59_: and you're not worried they'll do to it what they do to everything they touch? :>
11:49 mjg59_; It's nowhere near as much risk as doing something meaningful
11:49 MinceR; lol
11:50 MinceR; ever the MICROS~1 apologist
11:50 reptilian_thrills; In the current political climate they're placing themselves at some risk <- yeah, i can see a lot of people in trailers and motorcycle clubs moving to apple for this
11:50 mjg59_; But it's still a "Fox News will be mean about us" trade-off
11:50 MinceR; lol
11:50 MinceR; hasn't crApple done something against LGBT+ people already?
11:50 reptilian_thrills; i mean tim cook is gay
11:50 reptilian_thrills; is he transphobic?
11:51 mjg59_; So eg Google's SF LGBT group were upset that the corporate group was funding SF Pride even though SF Pride accepted SFPD
11:51 reptilian_thrills; /me assumes all these things are one-dimensional, so its actually moot that one gay ceo means nothing regarding policies etc
11:51 MinceR; gay people have done horrible things to gay people before
11:51 mjg59_; And the corporate group shut down the local group and threatened to fire them
11:51 MinceR; like jozsef szajer
11:52 mjg59_; And yeah that's 100% bullshit
11:52 reptilian_thrills; gay people have done horrible things to gay people before <- they still do
11:52 mjg59_; And fucking evil
11:52 mjg59_; SFPD have a long history of beating gay people
11:52 MinceR; police officers have a long history of beating people in general, don't they?
11:52 mjg59_; But I'd prefer Google to have funded a bad Pride than refuse to fund a bad Pride because they hated Pride
11:52 MinceR; i don't see why they'd check and stop if they encounter one that happens to be gayt
11:53 reptilian_thrills; they do target specific groups
11:53 MinceR; s/.$//
11:53 MinceR; well, they don't target rich and powerful people, i suppose
11:53 reptilian_thrills; check and stop if they encounter one that happens to be gay <- probably a group or a couple more likely
11:53 reptilian_thrills; which gay club raid by police changed the laws in britain or new york?
11:53 reptilian_thrills; or sf?
11:54 mjg59_; It's all a spectrum - spending money to support marginalised groups in reality > spending money to support your idea of a marginalised group > spending money to hurt a marginalised group
11:54 reptilian_thrills; there was a famous one
11:54 reptilian_thrills; spending money to support your idea of a marginalised group <- next up: google wears dreadlocks
11:55 reptilian_thrills; "this is a good idea"
11:55 TR News; ONS Released Complete Mortality Data Moments Ago. It Shows Total Deaths Are 16.23% Above Pre-COVID-19 Levels (for the Week). https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/11/08/2022-total-deaths/
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11:55 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: Harvey Milk came after Stonewall, but the White Night riots were still a violent police response to the protests around the sentencing of his murderer
11:55 TR Bot; Blog Archive ONS Released Complete Mortality Data Moments Ago. It Shows Total Deaths Are 16.23% Above Pre-COVID-19 Levels (for the Week).
11:55 MinceR; apparently crApple banned some "LGBTW+ apps" on the crApp Store
11:55 MinceR; a while ago
11:56 reptilian_thrills; /me tries to figure out what the w stands for for likw 15 seconds before looking at keyboard layout
11:56 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: It's about a 10 minute walk from here to the Castro, it's actually still clearly a raw situation
11:56 schestowitz[TR]; nothing is worse than such "apps"
11:56 schestowitz[TR]; they also banned "drone tracking" apps
11:56 MinceR; s/W/Q/
11:56 reptilian_thrills; it's actually still clearly a raw situation <- oh i dont doubt it
11:56 schestowitz[TR]; because they interfered with assassinations
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; apple: we protect killer drones
11:57 reptilian_thrills; i was actually trying to explain why it MIGHT be
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; anddd attack helicopters
11:57 MinceR; nice
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-bans-drone-strike-app-from-app-store-2015-9
=> ↺ https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-bans-drone-strike-app-from-app-store-2015-9
11:57 TR Bot; Apple Bans Drone Strike App From App Store
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.vice.com/en/article/538kan/apple-just-banned-the-app-that-tracks-us-drone-strikes-again
11:57 TR Bot; Apple Just Banned the App That Tracks US Drone Strikes, Again
11:57 MinceR; so if i sexually identify as an attack helicopter, crApple will protect me and my rights?
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/apple-bans-drone-strike-app/
=> ↺ https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/apple-bans-drone-strike-app/
11:57 TR Bot; Apple bans drone strike app - Infosecurity Magazine
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.macworld.com/article/669871/apple-bans-drone-attack-tally-app.html
=> ↺ https://www.macworld.com/article/669871/apple-bans-drone-attack-tally-app.html
11:57 TR Bot; bans drone attack 'tally' app | Macworld
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/aug/30/apple-blocks-us-drone-strike-app
=> ↺ https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/aug/30/apple-blocks-us-drone-strike-app
11:57 TR Bot; Apple blocks 'objectionable' app that reports deaths from US drone strikes | Apps | The Guardian
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/12/04/apple-drones-app-banned-petition-steps-up-fight_n_2236434.html
11:57 TR Bot; Apple Drones App Banned: Politicians And Campaigners Step Up Fight | HuffPost UK Tech
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; sucha lovely company
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; protecting people
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; from offence
11:58 schestowitz[TR]; but not from assassination
11:58 schestowitz[TR]; that's typical pentagon toyish plastic "SJW"
11:58 mjg59_; And then in 1989 SFPD beat up a bunch of protestors campaigning about the US government response to AIDS
11:58 schestowitz[TR]; "master branch" bad
11:58 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Your company worked for the MoD
11:58 schestowitz[TR]; exploiting underage people for work. .. NOT slavery!!
11:58 reptilian_thrills; trans people are increasingly allowed to use bathrooms, except in the usual backwards states ofc
11:58 mjg59_; Such a lovely company
11:58 MinceR; i thought dr. supragenius made it clear already that offending people or talking about wishing them death was far worse than actually killing them
11:59 reptilian_thrills; but i think attack helicopters, like ricky gervais, dont belong in our bathrooms
11:59 mjg59_; If that's the impression I gave, I apologise - I don't believe that
11:59 MinceR; well, they wouldn't fit in any of mine
11:59 MinceR; my bathrooms are too small :(
11:59 reptilian_thrills; for one thing, attack helicopters are much bigger and more dangerous
11:59 MinceR; they're not nearly as dangerous as humans
11:59 reptilian_thrills; a bit like celebrity itself
12:00 mjg59_; Yeah had to have an electrician into my bathroom today because the GFCI kept tripping, definitely couldn't have fit a helicopter in there
12:00 reptilian_thrills; gfci be tripping
12:00 MinceR; :>
12:01 reptilian_thrills; plot twist: the gfci tripped over the uefi
12:01 reptilian_thrills; because of the acpi
12:01 mjg59_; Sadly the GFCI tripped over the ground shorting against the neutral in one of the light fittings
12:01 mjg59_; Your version is funnier
12:02 mjg59_; Less probability of death
12:02 reptilian_thrills; i mean thats why we have gfci in the first place
12:02 mjg59_; Yeah
12:02 MinceR; well, if your GFCI depends on UEFI and ACPI, you're actually in greater danger
12:02 MinceR; because neither of those two was engineered to be safe or reliable
12:02 mjg59_; I promise you that I would not suggest either UEFI or ACPI be involved in GFCI
12:03 MinceR; :>
12:03 reptilian_thrills; no tpm either
12:03 mjg59_; Safety-critical environments should have minimal dependencies
12:03 reptilian_thrills; computers: fuck it, lets see what happens
12:04 mjg59_; Hey, I'm helping reduce dependencies in trucks
12:04 MinceR; trucks with UEFI? the horror!
12:04 reptilian_thrills; keep the wheels, i think those are crucial
12:04 reptilian_thrills; linux kernel: where were going we dont need... floppies
12:04 MinceR; if hp were to build a truck, the wheels would be nonfunctional
12:05 mjg59_; Ha man Waymo's been on the road with UEFI for years
12:05 MinceR; but they'd have a musical horn
12:05 MinceR; great
12:05 reptilian_thrills; if hp built a truck the engine wouldnt start because it would overheat in .5 seconds
12:05 MinceR; as if their higher-level software wasn't dangerous enough on its own
12:06 MinceR; maybe UEFI can prevent it from starting and then it can't cause as much damage
12:06 reptilian_thrills; if lennart poettering made a truck you could retire after working for a tow service for a year
12:06 MinceR; lol
12:06 reptilian_thrills; because it would be the only kind of truck on the road
12:07 MinceR; provided you could somehow get a tow truck he had nothing to do with
12:07 reptilian_thrills; gfci is special
12:07 reptilian_thrills; its a more complicated design that makes life LESS miserable instead of more
12:07 reptilian_thrills; unless of course youre trying to end your life with the old toaster in the bathtub
12:08 mjg59_; UEFI can actually prevent it from starting
12:08 mjg59_; Having a fully measured boot, including the config, means you can prevent a dev build switching into autonomy
12:08 mjg59_; You just keep a secret that's sealed to production keys
12:09 reptilian_thrills; users eventually fix it
12:09 mjg59_; I actually designed that for Waymo
12:09 TR News; "The T8 Pro is a MiniPC featuring a 15W Celeron N5095 processor along with Intel UHD Graphics." https://linuxgizmos.com/gateway-minipc-equipped-with-celeron-cpu-and-dual-gbe-ports/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
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12:09 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/gateway-minipc-equipped-with-celeron-cpu-and-dual-gbe-ports/ )
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12:09 mjg59_; No idea if they deployed it
12:10 TR News; "Nmap is an open source utility for network discovery and security auditing." https://linuxhandbook.com/nmap-scan-ports/ | Source: Linux Handbook
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12:10 TR Bot; Scanning All or Specified Ports With Nmap
12:10 reptilian_thrills; this protects microsoft
12:10 mjg59_; But the point is you don't want an autonomous vehicle to run unless you've validated that it's in the appropriate state
12:10 mjg59_; Otherwise someone will fuck up at some point and the wrong software will be on something that's allowed onto the road
12:10 mjg59_; And that's bad!
12:11 reptilian_thrills; i saw that movie
12:11 reptilian_thrills; in the 80s it was just silly
12:11 reptilian_thrills; but now
12:11 MinceR; you probably don't want an autonomous vehicle to run unless it's either in a closed system with non-autonomous vehicles or pedestrians in it or it's a human-level AI developed to standards unattainable by gulag, MICROS~1, dehomag, crApple, intHell, Obstacle and their pals
12:11 mjg59_; We all remember the F8 of the Furious
12:11 reptilian_thrills; i was thinking of maximum overdrive :)
12:11 *MinceR presses F8
12:12 reptilian_thrills; /me bets elon musk has a movie poster for maximum overdrive in his office
12:12 reptilian_thrills; "hi im stephen king, and im low on cash this year"
12:14 MinceR; giving it more thought, it's pretty much impossible with humans to regulate what software is allowed to drive autonomous vehicles without locking them into some badly designed, badly implemented dangerous crap and not giving well engineered free software a chance
12:14 MinceR; so the whole thing is probably doomed in our doomed society anyway
12:14 MinceR; regulations are written to appease corporations with good access to the government
12:14 reptilian_thrills; the new toyota camry: now with funtenna
12:15 reptilian_thrills; corporations are against state regulation
12:15 reptilian_thrills; not of rivals, just of them specifically
12:15 MinceR; corporations are for state regulation that works the way they want it
12:16 MinceR; i.e. barring rivals from markets and such
12:16 reptilian_thrills; theyre against taxes but not the bailouts they get with tax money: PARADOX!
12:16 MinceR; and at this point the suits are probably more wary of engineers making self-driving cars that work well just for fun, for themselves than they are of other corporations
12:17 MinceR; well, the government already has some money that they can take
12:17 MinceR; after it's all gone, that's a different problem
12:17 MinceR; plus they could print money and hand it out
12:17 MinceR; didn't they invent a theory that justifies printing money endlessly already?
12:17 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights
12:17 reptilian_thrills; "congratulations, your life is about the same but now your customers cant afford meat or produce"
12:18 MinceR; good enough for sociopaths
12:18 reptilian_thrills; didn't they invent a theory that justifies printing money endlessly already <- yes, the theory is called fuck the poor
12:18 MinceR; i thought it was modern monetary theory or something like that
12:19 reptilian_thrills; its an old theory but broadly supported by everyone that has lots of money
12:19 TR News; "The history of documentation as it relates to operating systems and software development has a rich history that expands decades." https://news.opensuse.org/2022/11/08/os-site-aligns-w-upstream-documentation/ | Source: OpenSUSE
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12:19 TR Bot; openSUSE site Aligns with Upstream Documentation - openSUSE News
12:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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12:20 reptilian_thrills; Person Facepalming was approved as part of Unicode 9.0 in 2016 under the name "Face Palm" and added to Emoji 3.0 in 2016.
12:21 reptilian_thrills; they keep this up and unicode will become self-aware
12:21 MinceR; :)
12:21 reptilian_thrills; its probably already turing complete
12:21 schestowitz[TR]; unicode is a farce now
12:21 schestowitz[TR]; it's for "industry"
12:21 schestowitz[TR]; and not like proper industry
12:22 schestowitz[TR]; more like showbiz
12:22 reptilian_thrills; /me remembers when it was just a couple plucky engineers at a bake sale
12:22 MinceR; there's no business like show business
12:22 schestowitz[TR]; what about monkey businjess?
12:22 MinceR; Caleb didn't talk about that
12:22 reptilian_thrills; apina.biz?
12:23 reptilian_thrills; if you like apina coladas
12:24 schestowitz[TR]; Aldrin.biz
12:25 reptilian_thrills; i like that yoga was such a formidable threat by the late 70s that you had to specify a dislike for it in a personals ad
12:25 schestowitz[TR]; it's a gemini capsule
12:25 schestowitz[TR]; with lots of buzz about it
12:25 MinceR; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3DeEH_3BDw
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12:25 TR Bot; https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=u3DeEH_3BDw
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12:25 TR Bot; timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=u3DeEH_3BDw )
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12:26 schestowitz[TR]; nvidious instances perish fast
12:26 schestowitz[TR]; we added the non-clownflare ones
12:26 schestowitz[TR]; maybe a time to update the list
12:26 reptilian_thrills; clown wars
12:26 reptilian_thrills; if there must be wars, please let these clown wars
12:27 reptilian_thrills; stay
12:27 schestowitz[TR]; invidious.nerdvpn.de
12:27 schestowitz[TR]; "Last week, AWS and Microsoft admitted that their customers have realized their CLOWN costs are out of control." https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/02/cloud_magic_era_ends/ | Source: The Register UK
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12:27 TR Bot; Cloud magic was a nice story, now with an unhappy ending The Register
12:27 schestowitz[TR]; Timothy Prickett Morgan shilling clown computing for ICBM, his paymaster (Disclosure: I forgot to mention ICBM bribes us for puff pieces) https://www.itjungle.com/2022/11/07/if-youre-moving-to-the-cloud-first-you-have-to-get-into-the-weeds/
12:27 TR Bot; Readiness Assessment Accelerates Moving IBM i Workloads To The Cloud - IT Jungle
12:28 schestowitz[TR]; "why own when you can rent?" (??
12:28 schestowitz[TR]; pay $1000 a year to rent a server you can buy for $1000 to OWN
12:28 reptilian_thrills; why rent when you can go to a cafe?
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12:28 reptilian_thrills; as long as you keep ordering tea, they keep the server running smoothly
12:28 schestowitz[TR]; "why get married?"
12:29 schestowitz[TR]; ""why cook?"
12:29 reptilian_thrills; home cooking is killing the restaurant industry
12:29 reptilian_thrills; AND ITS ILLEGAL
12:29 schestowitz[TR]; "why have a toilet? you only use it 0.01% of the time!
12:29 schestowitz[TR]; "let's share toilets
12:30 schestowitz[TR]; a shared facility at the top of every road
12:30 reptilian_thrills; let's share toilets <- works for senators in airports
12:30 schestowitz[TR]; Cooking involved owning knives
12:30 schestowitz[TR]; and knives kill people
12:30 schestowitz[TR]; "let the responsible copyri;.. I mean, restaurant owners handle the knives"
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; btw, not kidding but:
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; I heard many apartments no longer have a kitchen!
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; it's astounding because
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; all those years even rented rooms and studios (minimal) came with at least a kitchenette
12:32 schestowitz[TR]; not it is seen as a luxuty
12:32 schestowitz[TR]; like cooking is some prestigious thing
12:32 reptilian_thrills; /me looks up samurai chef but its just a guy at a hibachi bar
12:32 schestowitz[TR]; iirc, daemonfc had to gook up some kitchen appliance on the floor/carpet
12:32 schestowitz[TR]; just to cook something
12:32 schestowitz[TR]; this is "developed country"
12:33 reptilian_thrills; im pretty sure bushido doesnt give a shit about an onion volcano, but theres a lot i dont know about feudal japan
12:33 schestowitz[TR]; a couple in the 30s cooking on the floor
12:34 schestowitz[TR]; a couple with INCOME
12:34 schestowitz[TR]; walmart full time
12:34 TR News; (NEW): Games: Steam Deck, Truck Simulator, Plot of the Druid, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Games_Steam_Deck_Truck_Simulator_Plot_of_the_Druid_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Games_Steam_Deck_Truck_Simulator_Plot_of_the_Druid_and_More.gmi
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12:34 TR Bot; Tux Machines Games: Steam Deck, Truck Simulator, Plot of the Druid, and More
12:35 TR News; Haha. Free speech, eh, Elon 'the mask fell off'? https://truthout.org/articles/twitter-suspends-comedian-kathy-griffin-after-she-mocks-elon-musk/ | Source: TruthOut
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12:35 TR Bot; Twitter Suspends Comedian Kathy Griffin After She Mocks Elon Musk
12:35 MinceR; (cat) https://www.deviantart.com/furlined/art/Akin-895426623
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12:35 TR Bot; by FurLined on DeviantArt
12:35 MinceR; the front fell off
12:36 TR News; How very Kremlin https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/07/attorney-general-formally-bans-the-collection-of-journalists-records-during-leak-investigations/ | Source: Techdirt
12:36 TR Bot; General Formally Bans The Collection Of Journalists Records During Leak Investigations | Techdirt
12:37 TR News; Elong demise https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/07/elon-musk-continues-to-speedrun-the-content-moderation-learning-curve/ | Source: Techdirt
12:37 TR Bot; Elon Speedrun Continues; Apparently Comedy Is Not Quite Legal On The New Twitter | Techdirt
12:38 TR News; "Some news outlets engage in journalism. Others just engage in hype." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/07/deas-rainbow-fentanyl-moral-panic-is-making-broadcasters-politicians-stupider-than-they-already-are/ | Source: Techdirt
12:38 TR Bot; Rainbow Fentanyl Moral Panic Is Making Broadcasters, Politicians Stupider Than They Already Are | Techdirt
12:40 TR News; Groups Urge Boycott of Twitter https://truthout.org/video/groups-urge-boycott-of-twitter-if-musk-allows-misinformation-to-go-unchecked/ | Source: TruthOut
12:40 TR Bot; Groups Urge Boycott of Twitter If Musk Allows Misinformation to Go Unchecked
12:40 MinceR; it doesn't have to be illegal for accounts to be banned because of it :>
12:40 schestowitz[TR]; they will joinm the "SJW" in boycotting twitter
12:40 schestowitz[TR]; or maybe now
12:40 schestowitz[TR]; Team SJW is STILL with Musk
12:40 schestowitz[TR]; and making excuses for it
12:40 schestowitz[TR]; because they never truly stood for anything
12:40 schestowitz[TR]; except deflecting for Bill gates
12:40 schestowitz[TR]; the other part owner of Twitter
12:41 schestowitz[TR]; who also suspends people who use facts against him
12:41 schestowitz[TR]; inc. zoobab and me
12:41 MinceR; they stand for whoever rewards them
12:41 schestowitz[TR]; (even repeatedly)
12:41 MinceR; it would be interesting to see a conflict in which both sides use SJW trolls against the other
12:41 schestowitz[TR]; (not a coincidence at all; it's a policy in Twiter)
12:42 schestowitz[TR]; maybe Musk can use 'Team SJW' to cancel his own critics
12:42 schestowitz[TR]; as they attack their 'own'
12:42 mjg59_; Team SJW is absolutely not with Musk
12:42 mjg59_; I have no idea where that comes from
12:43 reptilian_thrills; there are only two sides
12:44 reptilian_thrills; sjws and corporations vs bloggers and doctors of journalism
12:44 reptilian_thrills; musk is on the sjw side ofc
12:44 schestowitz[TR]; if you tweet, you work for musk
12:44 schestowitz[TR]; if you don't tweet, you don't
12:45 schestowitz[TR]; if you delete your account, you erode his "value"
12:45 schestowitz[TR]; I did not delete my account
12:45 schestowitz[TR]; and did not leave because of him either
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12:45 TR News; Starlink https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/07/usage-caps-coming-to-starlink-as-capacity-crunch-rears-its-head/ | Source: Techdirt
12:45 TR Bot; Caps Coming To Starlink As Capacity Crunch Rears Its Head | Techdirt
12:46 reptilian_thrills; when you ride alone, you ride with musk!
12:46 TR News; Musk is anagram of skam (almost) and skum
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12:47 TR News; Good thing we bought a lot of corn last month https://www.democracynow.org/2022/11/7/elon_musk_twitter_layoffs_misinformation_civil | Source: Democracy Now
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12:47 TR Bot; Musk Fires Half of Twitters Workforce; Rights Orgs Urge Boycott of Superspreader of Misinformation | Democracy Now!
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12:50 reptilian_thrills; when you ride alone, you ride with musk! <- but at least youre not part welsh
12:50 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: So are you team SJW or team Musk
12:51 TR News; Musk https://www.thenation.com/article/society/musk/ | Source: The Nation
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12:51 TR Bot; Musk | The Nation
12:51 TR News; "Curious to know what others had on their laptops, I asked!" https://opensource.com/article/22/11/laptop-stickers | Source: OpenSource.com
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12:51 TR Bot; stickers are on your laptop? | Opensource.com
12:52 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: that does not make sense
12:52 schestowitz[TR]; wanna know why I quit twitter?
12:52 schestowitz[TR]; I covered this many timrs
12:52 schestowitz[TR]; *times
12:52 schestowitz[TR]; in 2020 I quit replying because http://techrights.org/2020/06/08/twitter-cancel-culture/
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12:52 TR Bot; Social Control Media: Where Cancel Culture Thrives | Techrights
12:53 mjg59_; So why do you work for a company funded by the military
12:54 schestowitz[TR]; no, as I said before, I don't know what project it was so it probably predated me
12:54 schestowitz[TR]; I joined in 2011
12:54 schestowitz[TR]; you can use wayback machine
12:54 schestowitz[TR]; and see what happened and when
12:54 schestowitz[TR]; I never worked on anything mod or saw something to do with it
12:54 schestowitz[TR]; techrights is critical of mod
12:54 schestowitz[TR]; since like 2008
12:55 schestowitz[TR]; https://wikileaks.org/wiki/MoD_%27how_to_stop_leaks%27_document_is_leaked
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12:55 TR Bot; MoD 'how to stop leaks' document is leaked - WikiLeaks
12:55 schestowitz[TR]; "The threat [of leakage] is less likely to arise from positive acts of counter-espionage, than from leakage of information through disaffected members of staff, or as a result of the attentions of an investigative journalist"
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12:58 TR News; "Prior to the turn of the century, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals handed down a formative decision that helped craft the contours of Section 230 immunity." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/07/fourth-circuit-goes-on-the-attack-against-section-230-in-a-lawsuit-over-publication-of-third-party-data/ | Source: Techdirt
12:58 TR Bot; Circuit Goes On The Attack Against Section 230 In A Lawsuit Over Publication Of Third Party Data | Techdirt
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
13:01 TR News; "omnipresent American theater of social media," https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/11/08/a-rabbis-tales/ | Source: Counter Punch
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13:01 TR Bot; Rabbis Tales - CounterPunch.org
13:02 TR News; "As an aside, my embrace of vaccine mandates was my darkest day as a leftist." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/11/08/white-christian-supremacists-try-to-cancel-kyrie-irving/ | Source: Counter Punch
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13:02 TR Bot; Christian Supremacists Try To Cancel Kyrie Irving - CounterPunch.org
13:03 TR News; (NEW): openSUSE site Aligns with Upstream Documentation http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/openSUSE_site_Aligns_with_Upstream_Documentation.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/openSUSE_site_Aligns_with_Upstream_Documentation.gmi
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13:03 TR Bot; Tux Machines openSUSE site Aligns with Upstream Documentation
13:15 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Android_Leftovers.gmi
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13:15 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
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13:18 TR News; ODROID-N2L is a smaller, low-cost variant of ODROID-N2+ Arm SBC https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/11/08/odroid-n2l-is-a-smaller-low-cost-variant-of-odroid-n2-arm-sbc/
13:18 TR Bot; ODROID-N2L is a smaller, low-cost variant of ODROID-N2+ Arm SBC - CNX Software
13:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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13:20 TR News; Elon Musk Has Put Twitters Free Speech in Danger https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-free-speech-musk-takeover/
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13:20 TR Bot; Musk Has Put Twitters Free Speech in Danger | WIRED
13:23 schestowitz[TR]; "The threat [of leakage] is less likely to arise from positive acts of counter-espionage, than from leakage of information through disaffected members of staff, or as a result of the attentions of an investigative journalist"
13:32 TR News; Larabel turns mere "tweets" into 'articles' https://www.phoronix.com/news/NVK-New-Compiler-Starting
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13:32 TR Bot; Vulkan Driver Starting Work On New Compiler - Phoronix
13:35 TR News; 11,245 - 9,674 (5-year average) = 1,571. 1,571 is 16.23% of 9,674. https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/11/08/2022-total-deaths/
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13:35 TR Bot; Blog Archive ONS Released Complete Mortality Data Moments Ago. It Shows Total Deaths Are 16.23% Above Pre-COVID-19 Levels (for the Week).
13:36 TR News; Perl is out of the list of dependencies https://www.qt.io/blog/perl-is-out-of-the-list-of-dependencies Source: Qt | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.qt.io/blog/perl-is-out-of-the-list-of-dependencies
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13:36 TR Bot; Perl is out of the list of dependencies
13:37 TR News; (NEW): Linux laptop crew Tuxedo releases Stellaris AMD Gen 4 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Linux_laptop_crew_Tuxedo_releases_Stellaris_AMD_Gen_4.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Linux_laptop_crew_Tuxedo_releases_Stellaris_AMD_Gen_4.gmi
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13:37 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linux laptop crew Tuxedo releases Stellaris AMD Gen 4
13:39 TR News; Billionaires controlling their image https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/11/08/why-do-billionaires-love-owning-newspapers/ | Source: Counter Punch
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13:39 TR Bot; Do Billionaires Love Owning Newspapers? - CounterPunch.org
13:43 TR News; "Pick and place machines are a wonder to behold, as they delicately and accurately place part after part." https://hackaday.com/2022/11/07/an-rp2040-powered-pick-and-place/ | Source: Hackaday
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13:43 TR Bot; RP2040 Powered Pick And Place | Hackaday
13:47 TR News; "This article was distributed by a Chinese government accepted source" https://scheerpost.com/2022/11/07/the-us-chips-and-science-act-of-2022-and-its-impacts-on-chinas-semiconductor-industry/ | Source: Scheerpost
13:47 TR Bot; US Chips and Science Act of 2022 and Its Impacts on China's Semiconductor Industry - scheerpost.com
13:50 TR News; "inflation" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/11/08/an-economists-chart-goes-viral-shows-main-source-of-inflation/ | Source: Counter Punch
13:50 TR Bot; Economists Chart Goes Viral: Shows Main Source of Inflation - CounterPunch.org
13:58 TR News; So-called "economists" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/11/08/herman-daly-a-economist-who-future-economists-and-societies-will-dare-not-ignore/ | Source: Counter Punch
13:58 TR Bot; Daly: A Economist Who Future Economists and Societies Will Dare Not Ignore - CounterPunch.org
13:59 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/funny-pictures-11-7-22-13.jpg
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14:00 TR News; Diegetic mechanics gemini://idiomdrottning.org/diegetic-mechanics
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14:01 TR News; Lunar Eclipse 2022-11-08 (Fairbanks, AK, US) gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/starlog/20221108-0.gmi
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14:02 TR News; "Long live Microsoft, and long live Embrace, Extend, Extinguish!" gemini://gems.geminet.org/avr/2022-11-08-copilot-and-free-software.gmi
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14:05 TR News; Bezos lobbying using his pet 'news' site https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/11/08/washington-post-claims-voters-want-cuts-in-social-security-and-medicare/ | Source: Counter Punch
14:05 TR Bot; Post Claims Voters Want Cuts in Social Security and Medicare - CounterPunch.org
14:06 TR News; "All Quiet on the Western Front" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/11/07/netflixs-failed-adaptation-all-quiet-western-front | Source: Common Dreams
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14:06 TR Bot; Opinion | Netflix's Failed Adaptation of "All Quiet on the Western Front" | Camillo Mac Bica
14:06 TR News; Ketanji Brown Jackson https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/11/07/jackson-issues-first-dissent-over-supreme-court-refusal-hear-death-row-appeal | Source: Common Dreams
14:06 TR Bot; Jackson Issues First Dissent Over Supreme Court Refusal to Hear Death Row Appeal
14:11 TR News; Oxfam https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/11/07/single-billionaire-produces-million-times-more-emissions-average-person-oxfam | Source: Common Dreams
14:11 TR Bot; Single Billionaire Produces a Million Times More Emissions Than Average Person: Oxfam
14:19 TR News; (NEW): Moving From Twitter to Mastodon http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Moving_From_Twitter_to_Mastodon.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Moving_From_Twitter_to_Mastodon.gmi
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14:19 TR Bot; Tux Machines Moving From Twitter to Mastodon
14:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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14:20 starstreak; im watching the og tron movie btw
14:21 TR News; When billionaires buy election outcomes https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/11/07/thats-oligarchy-sanders-rips-billionaires-trying-buy-midterm-victories | Source: Common Dreams
14:21 TR Bot; 'That's Oligarchy': Sanders Rips Billionaires for Trying to Buy Midterm Victories
14:22 TR News; Labor Rights https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/labor-rights-midterms-ballot/ | Source: The Nation
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14:22 TR Bot; Labor Rights Are on the Ballot | The Nation
14:22 TR News; Go vote https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/youth-voters-turnout-democrats-2022-midterms/ | Source: The Nation
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14:22 TR Bot; Youth Turnout Will Decide the Fate of the Midterm Elections | The Nation
14:24 TR News; Vote Republican, says owner of Twitter. Don't worry, the so-called 'SJWs' are still working for him. They are incapable of showing principles.
14:24 starstreak; I don
14:24 starstreak; I don't like Elon Musk anymore because he said vote republican
14:24 starstreak; thats the final straw
14:25 TR News; A vote for the democrats is a vote for corporations controlling the state. A vote for the republicans is a vote for corporations controlling the state and corporations being bigots, too.
14:26 TR News; "If you attended the 2022 Supercon, you might have heard the story about the SMD soldering challenge table nearly catching on fire." https://hackaday.com/2022/11/07/smelting-solar-style/ | Source: Hackaday
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14:26 TR Bot; Solar Style | Hackaday
14:26 TR News; "We all know the temptation of adding one more feature to your latest project." https://hackaday.com/2022/11/07/overengineered-fume-extractor-version-2/ | Source: Hackaday
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14:26 TR Bot; Fume Extractor, Version 2 | Hackaday
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14:28 TR News; "Everything Old Is New Again" https://www.respectfulinsolence.com/2022/11/07/the-accelerating-war-on-science-based-medical-regulation/ |
14:28 TR Bot; The accelerating war on science-based medical regulation - RESPECTFUL INSOLENCE
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14:28 *EightBallz puts a rock in his pipe and smokes it
14:29 EightBallz; http://palmerluckey.com/if-you-die-in-the-game-you-die-in-real-life/
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14:29 TR Bot; If you die in the game, you die in real life. The Blog of Palmer Luckey
14:53 TR News; recession or worse https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/11/07/winter-coming-recession-created-feds-disdain-workers | Source: Common Dreams
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14:53 TR Bot; Opinion | Winter Is Coming: A Recession Created by the Fed's Disdain for Workers | Dante Dallavalle
14:54 TR News; inflation https://truthout.org/articles/report-big-shipping-companies-profits-increased-30000-percent-amid-inflation/ | Source: TruthOut
14:54 TR Bot; Report: Big Shipping Companies Profits Increased 30,000 Percent Amid Inflation
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14:55 TR News; "Last time, Ive explained everything you could want to know if you wanted to put an M.2 socket onto your board." https://hackaday.com/2022/11/07/m-2-for-hackers-cards/ | Source: Hackaday
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14:55 TR Bot; For Hackers Cards | Hackaday
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15:10 TR News; (NEW): Titan Linux Review: A Blend of Debian Stable and KDE Plasma Desktop http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Titan_Linux_Review_A_Blend_of_Debian_Stable_and_KDE_Plasma_Desk.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Titan_Linux_Review_A_Blend_of_Debian_Stable_and_KDE_Plasma_Desk.gmi
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15:10 TR Bot; Tux Machines Titan Linux Review: A Blend of Debian Stable and KDE Plasma Desktop
15:14 *Now talking on #techrights
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15:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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15:22 CrystalMath; a vote for democrats is a vote for cance[lr] culture
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15:26 starstreak; a vote for republicans is a vote for fascism
15:27 psydruid; a vote to nuke the USA and wipe it once and for all is a vote for sanity
15:28 EightBallz; you seem insane psydruid
15:28 EightBallz; kill millions on a whim because you don't like them
15:28 EightBallz; that actually sounds kind of like Hitler or Stalin
15:28 psydruid; EightBallz: that sounds more like something USonians do
15:29 psydruid; I've never killed anyone
15:29 EightBallz; you just want millions dead
15:30 psydruid; that's a small price to pay to save the rest of the world from getting harmed even more by the USA
15:30 psydruid; maybe fix your damn country
15:31 *EightBallz puts a crack rock in his pipe and smokes it
15:31 EightBallz; seek therapy
15:31 psydruid; that's what you and your countrymen should do indeed
15:31 psydruid; instead of trying to police the whole world
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15:37 TR News; (NEW): KDE Plasma 5.26.3 Continues to Improve the Plasma Wayland Session, Fixes Various Issues http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/KDE_Plasma_5_26_3_Continues_to_Improve_the_Plasma_Wayland_Sessi.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/KDE_Plasma_5_26_3_Continues_to_Improve_the_Plasma_Wayland_Sessi.gmi
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15:37 TR Bot; Tux Machines KDE Plasma 5.26.3 Continues to Improve the Plasma Wayland Session, Fixes Various Issues
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15:57 XRevan86; https://www.platformer.news/p/musk-discusses-putting-all-of-twitter Does he want people to flee?
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15:57 TR Bot; Musk discusses putting all of Twitter behind a paywall
15:58 XRevan86; What next? Channel take-over?
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16:08 schestowitz[TR]; haha
16:08 schestowitz[TR]; leenode
16:08 schestowitz[TR]; sasl
16:08 schestowitz[TR]; he said he wanted to authenticate ALL users
16:08 schestowitz[TR]; even dissidents
16:08 schestowitz[TR]; and during financial crisis he wants to START charging users
16:09 schestowitz[TR]; while Twitter press coverage is very very hostile
16:09 schestowitz[TR]; at the back end they probably see a collapse in # of users
16:09 schestowitz[TR]; memories of freenode
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16:12 TR News; The Entropy Centre First Impressions - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=YU2eNu54aAM | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/YU2eNu54aAM
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16:12 TR Bot; The Entropy Centre First Impressions - Invidious
16:12 XRevan86; schestowitz: Strange thing is that Elon Musk is not as stupid as a certain A.L., so I'm puzzled by what his end-game is.
16:13 XRevan86; Is he really oblivious to the tension his statements are creating?
16:13 schestowitz[TR]; the buyout was a mistake
16:13 schestowitz[TR]; impulsive buying
16:13 schestowitz[TR]; now buyer's remorse
16:13 schestowitz[TR]; it ruins his brand/name
16:13 XRevan86; The least he could do is not to break what he bought.
16:13 schestowitz[TR]; for those other companies too
16:13 schestowitz[TR]; like Lee with PIA and Shells
16:13 schestowitz[TR]; (his brother)(
16:13 TR News; "I often get asked about installing standalone window managers on Ubuntu. What's the best way to go about this? Well, the method that I have used in the past is installing Ubuntu Server, and then installing a window manager and needed utilities on top of that." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=AHvwxc62lDQ
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16:13 TR Bot; Ubuntu Server is Perfect for a Minimal "Window Manager" Installation - Invidious
16:14 XRevan86; Just like with freenode 2021, where every move Andrew Lee made cut the userbase in half.
16:19 TR News; A hands-on guide to work with MindSpore on Kubeflow https://ubuntu.com//blog/kubeflow-mindspore-integration-guide
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16:19 TR Bot; hands-on guide to work with MindSpore on Kubeflow | Ubuntu
16:19 TR News; (NEW): Videos: Ubuntu Server, The Entropy Centre, Late Night Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Videos_Ubuntu_Server_The_Entropy_Centre_Late_Night_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Videos_Ubuntu_Server_The_Entropy_Centre_Late_Night_Linux.gmi
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16:19 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos: Ubuntu Server, The Entropy Centre, Late Night Linux
16:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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16:20 schestowitz[TR]; XRevan86: popcorn time
16:20 XRevan86; schestowitz: Yep, at least with Twitter I don't care all that much.
16:21 schestowitz[TR]; yeah, I'm not a 'stakeholder' anymore
16:21 schestowitz[TR]; I left almost a year ago
16:21 schestowitz[TR]; I want to see it burn now
16:21 schestowitz[TR]; and for people not to go anywhere
16:21 schestowitz[TR]; like Twitter
16:21 schestowitz[TR]; just to have a life
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16:23 TR News; (NEW): Canonical/Ubuntu Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Canonical_Ubuntu_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Canonical_Ubuntu_Leftovers.gmi
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16:23 TR Bot; Tux Machines Canonical/Ubuntu Leftovers
16:27 TR News; Clonezilla Live 3.0.2-21 is out https://sourceforge.net/p/clonezilla/news/2022/11/stable-clonezilla-live-302-21-released/
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16:27 TR Bot; Clonezilla / News: Stable Clonezilla live 3.0.2-21 Released
16:28 TR News; Stable Clonezilla live 3.0.2-21 Released https://sourceforge.net/p/clonezilla/news/2022/11/stable-clonezilla-live-302-21-released/
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16:28 TR News; (NEW): CachyOS: The Brand-New Friendly, Performance-Tuned Arch Linux Derivative http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/CachyOS_The_Brand_New_Friendly_Performance_Tuned_Arch_Linux_Der.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/CachyOS_The_Brand_New_Friendly_Performance_Tuned_Arch_Linux_Der.gmi
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16:28 TR Bot; Tux Machines CachyOS: The Brand-New Friendly, Performance-Tuned Arch Linux Derivative
16:32 TR News; (NEW): LXQt 1.2.0: Top New Features & Wayland Updates http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/LXQt_1_2_0_Top_New_Features_Wayland_Updates.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/LXQt_1_2_0_Top_New_Features_Wayland_Updates.gmi
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16:32 TR Bot; Tux Machines LXQt 1.2.0: Top New Features & Wayland Updates
16:39 TR News; (NEW): VLC 3.0.18 is Out! #HowTo Install in Ubuntu 22.04 | 20.04 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/VLC_3_0_18_is_Out_How_to_Install_in_Ubuntu_22_04_20_04.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/VLC_3_0_18_is_Out_How_to_Install_in_Ubuntu_22_04_20_04.gmi
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16:39 TR Bot; Tux Machines VLC 3.0.18 is Out! How to Install in Ubuntu 22.04 | 20.04
16:41 TR News; SpellBinding: GYLRTUI Wordo: ADOP gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-11-08.gmi
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16:42 TR News; The Twitter invasion gemini://gemini.hitchhiker-linux.org/gemlog/the_twitter_invasion.gmi
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16:42 TR News; "Now, as a Geminaut, I'm used to back and forth communication taking a slower pace." gemini://gemini.hitchhiker-linux.org/gemlog/the_twitter_invasion.gmi
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16:44 TR News; Arduino Uno Pinout Guide https://linuxhint.com/arduino-uno-pinout-guide/ Source: Linux Hint | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxhint.com/arduino-uno-pinout-guide/
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16:44 TR Bot; Arduino Uno Pinout Guide
16:44 TR News; Welcome Opta, our first-ever micro PLC with Industrial IoT capabilities | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/11/08/welcome-opta-our-first-ever-micro-plc-with-industrial-iot-capabilities/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/11/08/welcome-opta-our-first-ever-micro-plc-with-industrial-iot-capabilities/
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16:44 TR Bot; Welcome Opta, our first-ever micro PLC with Industrial IoT capabilities | Arduino Blog
16:46 TR News; Bootlin at Capitole du Libre 2022: sponsor, booth and talks - Bootlin's blog https://bootlin.com/blog/bootlin-at-capitole-du-libre-2022-sponsor-booth-and-talks/#respond
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16:46 TR Bot; at Capitole du Libre 2022: sponsor, booth and talks - Bootlin's blog
16:48 TR News; Red Hat: to go Amazon (Proprietary Software) https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/11/08/visual-guide-deploying-jboss-eap-aws
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16:48 TR Bot; A visual guide to deploying JBoss EAP on AWS | Red Hat Developer
16:48 TR News; Red Hat explains GNU while defaming its founder to take over his project https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/11/08/introduction-debug-events-learn-how-use-breakpoints
16:48 TR Bot; An introduction to debug events: Learn how to use breakpoints | Red Hat Developer
16:49 TR News; More chances to catch AlmaLinux: SuperCompute 22, and OLF 22 - AlmaLinux OS Blog https://almalinux.org/blog/more-chances-to-catch-almalinux-supercompute-22-and-olf-22/ Source: AlmaLinux Official | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//almalinux.org/blog/more-chances-to-catch-almalinux-supercompute-22-and-olf-22/
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16:49 TR Bot; More chances to catch AlmaLinux: SuperCompute 22, and OLF 22 - AlmaLinux OS Blog
16:50 TR News; Red Hat seeking to inspire you to embrace vendor lockin https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/11/digital-transformation-questions-reinspire-your-efforts
16:50 TR Bot; Digital transformation: 5 questions to reinspire your efforts | The Enterprisers Project
16:51 TR News; "Cockpit now switches to a dark theme when system dark mode is enabled." https://cockpit-project.org//blog/cockpit-279.html
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16:51 TR Bot; Cockpit 279 Cockpit Project
16:52 TR News; "In October, we published 17 posts. The site had 10,946 visits from 6,735 unique viewers. 4,559 visits came from search engines, while 484 came from Twitter and 69 came from the WordPress Android App." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/community-blog-monthly-summary-october-2022/ 200 uniques per day. Fedora used to be vastly bigger.
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16:52 TR Bot; Community Blog monthly summary: October 2022 Fedora Community Blog
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17:09 TR News; [RFC PATCH v3 1/3] drivers/accel: define kconfig and register a new major https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20221106210225.2065371-1-ogabbay@kernel.org/T/
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17:09 TR Bot; [RFC PATCH v3 0/3] new subsystem for compute accelerator devices
17:10 TR News; [PULL] nouveau-next https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/CABDvA==s+nZD0n7CuRWLPE=Pj+02CN13r+ZQJxoHQ_EmR+o=XQ@mail.gmail.com/T/#u | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/CABDvA==s+nZD0n7CuRWLPE=Pj+02CN13r+ZQJxoHQ_EmR+o=XQ@mail.gmail.com/T/#u
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17:10 TR Bot; [PULL] nouveau-next
17:10 TR News; "obviously dead and abandoned." https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/19385
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17:10 TR Bot; delete clover (!19385) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
17:12 TR News; Outsourcing to MICROSOFT Proprietary Prison is "Open-Source"? Who benefits here? https://www.phoronix.com/news/NVIDIA-PhysX-51-Open-Source
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17:12 TR Bot; Makes The PhysX 5.1 SDK Open-Source - Phoronix
17:17 TR News; U.S. Seizes Over 50K Bitcoin Worth $3.3 Billion Linked to Silk Road Dark Web https://thehackernews.com/2022/11/us-seizes-over-50k-bitcoin-worth-33.html Source: Hacker News | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//thehackernews.com/2022/11/us-seizes-over-50k-bitcoin-worth-33.html
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17:17 TR Bot; U.S. Seizes Over 50K Bitcoin Worth $3.3 Billion Linked to Silk Road Dark Web
17:18 TR News; EU calls for spyware moratorium, but no ban to protect human rights - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/eu-spyware-moratorium/ Source: AccessNow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/eu-spyware-moratorium/
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17:18 TR Bot; EU calls for spyware moratorium, but no ban to protect human rights - Access Now
17:18 TR News; WiFi security flaw lets a drone track devices through walls | Engadget https://www.engadget.com/wifi-security-hole-see-through-walls-152138038.html Source: Engadget | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.engadget.com/wifi-security-hole-see-through-walls-152138038.html
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17:18 TR Bot; security flaw lets a drone track devices through walls | Engadget
17:19 TR News; Gulag puts back doors in things. It is in no position to lecture anybody on security. https://security.googleblog.com/2022/11/our-principles-for-iot-security-labeling.html
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17:19 TR Bot; Google Online Security Blog: Our Principles for IoT Security Labeling
17:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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17:21 TR News; Another example of EU abandoning the Web and slapping a bunch of worthless JS crapware on an HTTPS address, instead https://www.enisa.europa.eu/news/enisa-news/post-quantum-cryptography-anticipating-threats-and-preparing-the-future
17:21 TR Bot; NO TITLE
17:22 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/today_s_howtos.2.gmi
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17:22 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
17:22 TR News; (NEW): Fedora and Red Hat Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Fedora_and_Red_Hat_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Fedora_and_Red_Hat_Leftovers.gmi
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17:22 TR Bot; Tux Machines Fedora and Red Hat Leftovers
17:23 TR News; "Attention testers! On behalf of Testing and Automation devroom we'd like to announce that call for participation is now open." https://kiwitcms.org/blog/kiwi-tcms-team/2022/11/08/call-for-participation-testing-and-automation-devroom-fosdem23/
17:23 TR Bot; Kiwi TCMS - Call for participation: Testing and Automation devroom, FOSDEM'23
17:24 TR News; Non-cooperative wi-fi localization & its privacy implications https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3495243.3560530
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17:24 TR Bot;
17:25 TR News; "Mayhem for Code can help you find and fix vulnerabilities in your code." https://forallsecure.com/blog/how-we-make-it-easy-to-deploy-mayhem-for-code-on-your-premises
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17:25 TR Bot; How We Make It Easy to Deploy Mayhem for Code on Your Premises
17:27 TR News; Back doors company :/ https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cloud-hypervisor-project-welcomes-amd-as-a-member-of-the-advisory-board-301671280.html
17:27 TR Bot; Cloud Hypervisor Project welcomes AMD as a Member of the Advisory Board
17:28 TR News; ChromeOS Redesigned shows us a possible future of Googles Linux-based operating system https://betanews.com/2022/11/08/chromeos-redesigned/ Source: Beta News | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//betanews.com/2022/11/08/chromeos-redesigned/
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17:28 TR Bot; ChromeOS Redesigned shows us a possible future of Google's Linux-based operating system
17:29 TR News; Khronos Unveils Kamaros as the name for the Embedded Camera System API and Working Group https://www.khronos.org/blog/khronos-unveils-kamaros-as-the-name-for-the-embedded-camera-system-api-and-working-group Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.khronos.org/blog/khronos-unveils-kamaros-as-the-name-for-the-embedded-camera-system-api-and-working-group
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17:29 TR Bot; Khronos Blog - The Khronos Group Inc
17:29 TR News; "After two virtual events, FOSDEM 2023 will be in person, taking place on Saturday, February 4, and Sunday, February 5. LibreOffice Technology DevRoom is scheduled for the afternoon of Saturday, February 4, from 3PM to 7PM." https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/11/08/fosdem-2023-cfp-libreoffice-technology-devroom/
17:29 TR Bot; LibreOffice Technology DevRoom at FOSDEM 2023: Call for Papers - The Document Foundation Blog
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17:43 TR News; (NEW): Proprietary: Twitter, Facebook, Clown Computing, and Microsoft http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Proprietary_Twitter_Facebook_Clown_Computing_and_Microsoft.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Proprietary_Twitter_Facebook_Clown_Computing_and_Microsoft.gmi
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17:43 TR Bot; Tux Machines Proprietary: Twitter, Facebook, Clown Computing, and Microsoft
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17:45 TR News; (NEW): AMD in Cloud Hypervisor and OBS Studio http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/AMD_in_Cloud_Hypervisor_and_OBS_Studio.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/AMD_in_Cloud_Hypervisor_and_OBS_Studio.gmi
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17:45 TR Bot; Tux Machines AMD in Cloud Hypervisor and OBS Studio
17:45 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi
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17:54 TR News; Links 08/11/2022: KDE Plasma 5.26.3 and VLC 3.0.18 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/08/kde-plasma-5-26-3/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/08/kde-plasma-5-26-3/
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17:54 TR Bot; Links 08/11/2022: KDE Plasma 5.26.3 and VLC 3.0.18 | Techrights
17:56 TR News; (NEW): Devices/Embedded: Arduino and Yocto http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Devices_Embedded_Arduino_and_Yocto.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Devices_Embedded_Arduino_and_Yocto.gmi
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17:56 TR Bot; Tux Machines Devices/Embedded: Arduino and Yocto
17:56 TR News; (NEW): Events and Free, Libre, and Open Source Software http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Events_and_Free_Libre_and_Open_Source_Software.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Events_and_Free_Libre_and_Open_Source_Software.gmi
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17:56 TR Bot; Tux Machines Events and Free, Libre, and Open Source Software
17:56 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi
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18:03 starstreak; linucks btw
18:07 XRevan86; https://neuters.de/lifestyle/sports/qatar-world-cup-ambassador-says-homosexuality-is-damage-mind-2022-11-08/
18:07 TR Bot; Qatar World Cup ambassador says homosexuality is 'damage in the mind'
18:10 starstreak; you've just been butt slammed!
18:13 *EightBallz is now known as gangster_og
18:16 starstreak; "I am JP, I am a robot, I have a robot vagina"
18:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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18:33 DaemonFC; So, Musk wanted the managers to write two sentences for each person that was fired. One describing what they did and one describing why they were let go.
18:33 DaemonFC; Nice.
18:34 DaemonFC; "This person was laid off because our new owner is an idiot that said to lay off an artificial figure because he was in a bad mood about how much he overpaid for Twitter." "This person was responsible for like half of those new features you said were coming and we'll be reaching out to them by Sunday to ask them to come back."
18:35 DaemonFC; Then an email appears from Musk RE: YOUR future with Twitter.
18:35 DaemonFC; :)
18:37 MinceR; it's such a great time not to be a user of shitter
18:38 XRevan86; Should've bought popcorn. A lot.
18:39 XRevan86; A book will be written about this for sure.
18:39 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV2DLkDPwM8
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18:39 TR Bot; https://invidious.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=aV2DLkDPwM8
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18:39 TR Bot; inv.bp.projectsegfau.lt | Darth Vader "You have failed me for the last time" - Full Scene HD - Invidious
18:40 DaemonFC; Still the best scene out of any of the movies.
18:40 XRevan86; Maybe freenode will get an honourable mention in that book.
18:40 MinceR; https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/11/08/1062886/heres-how-a-twitter-engineer-says-it-will-break-in-the-coming-weeks/
18:40 TR Bot; Heres how a Twitter engineer says it will break in the coming weeks | MIT Technology Review
18:41 DaemonFC; Piett (off screen): "Oh fuck, fuck! I should have called in this morning! I had the attendance points to do it! Oh God, I'm next!"
18:41 DaemonFC; :)
18:42 DaemonFC; The title of "Admiral" isn't really worth it in an organization like the Empire.
18:43 DaemonFC; Notice how Vader never (on screen at least) force chokes any of the junior officers?
18:43 XRevan86; > Musks recent criticism of Mastodon, the open-source alternative to Twitter that has piled on users in the days since the entrepreneur took control of the platform, invites the suggestion that those in glass houses shouldnt throw stones.
18:43 XRevan86; :D
18:43 DaemonFC; MinceR, What do you figure is the highest rank that's safe from Vader yet reasonably prestigious?
18:43 DaemonFC; I think the lowest rank he's bothered choking was "Captain".
18:44 MinceR; 08 194315 < DaemonFC> Notice how Vader never (on screen at least) force chokes any of the junior officers?
18:44 MinceR; they get promoted first
18:44 XRevan86; https://nitter.it/bluewavering/status/1589666432404815872#m
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18:44 TR Bot; ola azul (@bluewavering): "The filthy screen on his computer suggests he fired all the cleaning staff as well."|nitter
18:44 MinceR; DaemonFC: i'd rather not be involved with the empire at all. it sucks.
18:44 DaemonFC; Good time to desert I guess.
18:45 DaemonFC; Well, they take conscripts.
18:45 DaemonFC; Like Putin.
18:45 DaemonFC; I suppose they may also shoot stormtroopers in the back for fleeing the battlefield when they're losing, like Russia does.
18:45 XRevan86; Elon's probably not the one who took the picture but still.
18:46 XRevan86; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_troops So that's what it's called in English.
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18:46 TR Bot; Barrier troops - Wikipedia
18:46 DaemonFC; I wonder what exactly happened at the Battle of Endor. Did the rest of the fleet stay and fight? There were a lot of Star Destroyers there. It was a big fleet even after the loss of Executor and the Second Death Star.
18:49 DaemonFC; MinceR, The problem with Disney's Star Wars, among the others, is that the New Republic didn't see the Imperial Remnant/First Order as a threat?
18:49 DaemonFC; Why?
18:49 DaemonFC; The backstory is that they lost a lot of worlds that voted to leave and join the First Order and the First Order still had the bulk of the Imperial Fleet.
18:49 DaemonFC; It was a major power.
18:50 DaemonFC; The Republic apparently signed some sort of peace deal that theoretically ended the conflict where it was and began a huge Cold War.
18:51 DaemonFC; But this makes no sense. The First Order was still a fascist organization with the stated goal of eventually declaring total war on the Republic and annexing its worlds.
18:51 DaemonFC; The logical course of action would have been to continue fighting them, not to sign some "peace deal" that allowed the Remnant to fall back and build up their forces.
18:52 DaemonFC; Palpatine didn't really care much what happened to the First Order either way.
18:54 DaemonFC; You notice that they were a relatively small Navy compared to his Final Order fleet that he constructed at Exegol, and none of the First Order ships had planet killer weapons. The Star Destroyers at Exegol all had a planet killer weapon, which was probably also a "one shot kill" weapon for engaging in ship-to-ship combat. The whole First Order thing was just a ruse.
18:54 DaemonFC; With or without them or Starkiller Base, Palpatine would have brought the fleet from Exegol to war with the Republic eventually.
18:56 DaemonFC; Upon finding out about Palpatine, it would have been more logical for Kylo Ren to bring the First Order fleet to Exegol while the Advanced Star Destroyer fleet was still unable to take off, and start a bombardment. One thing about Palpy.....You're not just going to kill him and take his fleet.
18:56 DaemonFC; So the option remaining would be to wipe it out and start a surface bombardment while he's still too weak to do anything.
18:58 DaemonFC; That would have left this movie series open to more sequels.
18:58 DaemonFC; Disney seems to like money, which is why they put out all of these movies that are increasingly pointless/bad/poorly directed.
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
19:00 DaemonFC; MinceR, I think I could have written a better script.
19:01 MinceR; many people would have
19:01 DaemonFC; New Republic: Destroyed / Snoke: Dead / Palpy: Blown up.
19:01 DaemonFC; The Sith "Rule of Two" is that the apprentice craves power and the best way to go about that would be to kill Palpatine and his loyalists.
19:01 DaemonFC; The First Order already had a big enough fleet and the Republic was gone.
19:02 DaemonFC; In time they could have just subjugated everyone else due to the power vacuum and having the largest remaining Navy in the galaxy.
19:03 DaemonFC; MinceR, DJ: "They blow you up today, you blow them up tomorrow. It's just business."
19:03 DaemonFC; I read that as Disney sort of insulting the audience for paying to see all of these movies.
19:04 DaemonFC; Nothing gets resolved. There's always "enough" of the Rebel Alliance or the Empire or whatever left to do another movie.
19:07 DaemonFC; This ends up being how the US and Russia "fight" each other. Both sides could destroy each other, so they don't go to war. They can't go to war. They just wait until the other one gets ambitious and goes to war somewhere else, and then props up the other side of the war.
19:07 DaemonFC; We blow you up today, you blow us up tomorrow.
19:08 *gangster_og puts a rock in his pipe and smokes it
19:08 DaemonFC; This thing in the Ukraine though.... I mean, Jesus. This is bad even by Russian standards. They've always taken huge losses in their wars and just sort of expected it to happen.
19:08 gangster_og; star wars is gangsta dawg
19:09 MinceR; dogs form gangs now?
19:10 DaemonFC; MinceR, Yes, they form packs.
19:10 DaemonFC; And then they're allowed to raise a bunch of dark money and get Republicans elected to the government, and you can't ask where any of the money came from.
19:10 DaemonFC; Which is why I don't trust dogs.
19:12 MinceR; :>
19:12 gangster_og; DaemonFC: do you suck dick for coke?
19:12 gangster_og; cuz i got a lot of dick
19:16 psydruid; better to stay away from rabid dogs
19:17 schestowitz[TR]; the trolling is increasing
19:17 schestowitz[TR]; and trying to associate us with illegasl activity
19:17 schestowitz[TR]; so we must be striking some nerves somewhere
19:17 psydruid; let's keep striking nerves wherever we can
19:17 psydruid; and whenever we can
19:18 schestowitz[TR]; or trying to force us to ban
19:18 psydruid; you know you can ban me any time you want
19:18 psydruid; for whatever reason you want
19:19 psydruid; but it will only make them win
19:19 schestowitz[TR]; my name is not elon musk
19:19 schestowitz[TR]; and I'd be banned if I changed me name to it ;-)
19:19 gangster_og; Elon Tusk
19:19 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/07/twitter-will-ban-permanently-suspend-impersonator-accounts-elon-musk-says-as-users-take-his-name
19:19 TR Bot; Twitter bans comedian Kathy Griffin for impersonating Elon Musk | Elon Musk | The Guardian
19:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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19:20 schestowitz[TR]; https://futurism.com/the-byte/elon-musk-bans-impersonation
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19:20 TR Bot; Furious Elon Musk Pledges to Ban Anyone Who Changes Their Display Name to "Elon Musk"
19:20 schestowitz[TR]; NOT the first time ^^
19:20 gangster_og; schestowitz[TR]: change your twitter name to Elon Tusk
19:20 schestowitz[TR]; in the past you could be banned for using his photo as your avater iirc
19:20 DaemonFC; <gangster_og> Elon Tusk
19:21 DaemonFC; Well we're not different people! I'm just him with tusks!
19:21 DaemonFC; bbl
19:21 gangster_og; wubba lubba dub dub
19:21 psydruid; lol
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19:22 gangster_og; damn, i almost sneezed all over my crack
19:23 gangster_og; its nice to see Rick and Morty fans here
19:23 psydruid; "Do you want your account to be permanently banned and deleted? Impersonate Elon Musk now!"
19:23 gangster_og; take off your pants and your panties, shit on the floor
19:23 gangster_og; its time to get schwifty in here
19:23 psydruid; will always be my favourite
19:24 gangster_og; what is this witchcraft
19:24 gangster_og; 19:23 < psydruid> will always be my favourite <- this witchcraft
19:24 gangster_og; some kind of weird runes
19:25 psydruid; not suitable for rabid dogs
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19:33 schestowitz[TR]; serious hardware issues this past week
19:33 schestowitz[TR]; damn
19:45 starstreak; that tends to be an issue when the computer is 20 years old
19:47 starstreak; its usually a hard drive too
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19:52 schestowitz[TR]; maybe cpu temps, but based on past 8 days' logs, not likely
19:54 starstreak; https://memtest.org/
19:54 TR Bot; Memtest86+ | The Open-Source Memory Testing Tool
19:54 starstreak; you can try checking the ram
19:54 schestowitz[TR]; thanks
19:55 starstreak; np
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20:02 starstreak; im so jealous: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/813546477414383646/1039610170000560218/unknown.png
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20:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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20:37 AdmFubar1; https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2022/11/08/40k_teslas_recalled_due_to/
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20:37 TR Bot; 40k Tesla cars recalled over patch that broke power steering The Register
20:39 schestowitz[TR]; :D
20:39 schestowitz[TR]; did they change their name to "elon musk"?
20:41 AdmFubar1; :)) 40k elon musks have been recalled due to broken steering
20:41 AdmFubar1; https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-08/spyware-is-running-amok-in-europe-eu-lawmaker-warns
20:41 TR Bot; - Are you a robot?
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20:42 techuser; hi
20:42 verbose; hi
20:42 verbose; schestowitz-TR: remember MentalOutlaw's video "Politically Correct Tech", tx2v0Y9Ci7I at YouTube?
20:42 schestowitz[TR]; 0/
20:43 schestowitz[TR]; censored?
20:43 verbose; deleted, but he was black there
20:43 AdmFubar1; https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-is-showing-ads-in-the-windows-11-sign-out-menu/
20:43 TR Bot; Microsoft is showing ads in the Windows 11 sign-out menu
20:43 verbose; schestowitz[TR]: and look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9stBcuJgr8
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20:43 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=P9stBcuJgr8
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20:43 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Improving Smartphone Privacy - Invidious
20:44 AdmFubar1; https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-08/who-will-replace-evans-hankey-as-jony-ive-s-successor-as-apple-s-design-chief
20:44 TR Bot; - Are you a robot?
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20:47 verbose; s/deleted/set to private/
20:48 schestowitz[TR]; maybe for a reason
20:48 schestowitz[TR]; like warning
20:48 verbose; hmm maybe he still is black on that newer video? I am not sure
20:49 verbose; The white balance is very different.
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21:02 verbose; schestowitz[TR]: What do you think? I am not good at distinguishing skin colors.
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21:03 verbose; If Michael Martin, the first man on the picture https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2020/06/02/blackinamerica-callout_wide-9d03e26ec3f18010d3ad5ccf475f90c7c72f9d43-s1200-c85.webp is black, then the new Mental Outlaw could be black, but I am not sure he is of the same color as on the old video.
21:05 verbose; That old video: https://linuxreviews.org/File:Mental_Outlaw_-_Politically_Correct_Tech.webm
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21:05 TR Bot; File:Mental Outlaw - Politically Correct Tech.webm - LinuxReviews
21:05 verbose; A picture comparable to the new video, with the old colors: https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/Mental_Outlaw
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21:05 TR Bot; Mental Outlaw | Wikitubia | Fandom
21:06 verbose; Does he have very bad lighting because of the windows in the background?
21:08 verbose; I guess when he turns his head it's more believable.
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21:09 TR News; Trusting the UPC (Unified Patent Court) in the Hands of Tyrants Who Ridicule Courts? | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/08/upc-epc-epo-and-iloat/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/08/upc-epc-epo-and-iloat/
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21:09 TR Bot; Trusting the UPC (Unified Patent Court) in the Hands of Tyrants Who Ridicule Courts? | Techrights
21:12 starstreak; verbose, i love mental outlaw
21:13 starstreak; hes the reason i switched to arch linucks btw
21:14 verbose; It's just that I checked his recent videos and thought he was white on them
21:14 starstreak; does it really matter?
21:14 verbose; not very recent
21:15 verbose; well, he wasn't before :P
21:15 verbose; and it was important in that old video
21:16 TR News; EPO Isnt Green and Isnt Women-Friendly, That’s Just Another Distraction From Corruption | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/08/epo-as-staff-in-munich-responds-to-greenwashing/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/08/epo-as-staff-in-munich-responds-to-greenwashing/
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21:16 TR Bot; EPO Isnt Green and Isnt Women-Friendly, Thats Just Another Distraction From Corruption | Techrights
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21:25 TR News; [Meme] The EPO is GREEN! | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/08/epo-is-green/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/08/epo-is-green/
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21:25 TR Bot; [Meme] The EPO is GREEN! | Techrights
21:28 starstreak; https://tube.xy-space.de/w/kqraVhNYwpxYRF8L8sTBLp
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21:28 TR Bot; David Icke - The Reptilian Agenda (with Shaman Credo Mutwa) - PeerTube (xy-space)
21:36 XRevan86; https://neuters.de/technology/elon-musks-net-worth-slips-below-200-billion-tesla-shares-waver-2022-11-08/
21:36 TR Bot; Elon Musk's net worth slips below $200 billion as Tesla shares waver
21:37 AdmFubar1; https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/11/using-wi-fi-to-see-through-walls.html
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21:37 TR Bot; Wi-FI to See through Walls - Schneier on Security
21:47 TR News; Microsofts Accounting Fraud and the Clown Computing Bubble Will Make It the Next Facebook (Share Price Collapsed by 80%) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/08/accounting-fraud-short-term-vision/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/08/accounting-fraud-short-term-vision/
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21:47 TR Bot; Microsofts Accounting Fraud and the Clown Computing Bubble Will Make It the Next Facebook (Share Price Collapsed by 80%) | Techrights
21:47 schestowitz[TR]; AdmFubar1: thrown under a Tesla(R) Bus
21:48 TR News; (NEW): 8 Best Free and Open Source Graphical Mastodon Clients http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/8_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Graphical_Mastodon_Clients.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/8_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Graphical_Mastodon_Clients.gmi
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21:48 TR Bot; Tux Machines 8 Best Free and Open Source Graphical Mastodon Clients
21:48 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi
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21:48 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
21:49 TR News; (NEW): ChromeOS Redesigned shows us a possible future of Google's Linux-based operating system http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/ChromeOS_Redesigned_shows_us_a_possible_future_of_Google_s_Linu.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/ChromeOS_Redesigned_shows_us_a_possible_future_of_Google_s_Linu.gmi
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21:49 TR Bot; Tux Machines ChromeOS Redesigned shows us a possible future of Google's Linux-based operating system
21:49 TR News; (NEW): Clonezilla Live 3.0.2 Comes with UFW Firewall in the Live System http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Clonezilla_Live_3_0_2_Comes_with_UFW_Firewall_in_the_Live_Syste.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Clonezilla_Live_3_0_2_Comes_with_UFW_Firewall_in_the_Live_Syste.gmi
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21:49 TR Bot; Tux Machines Clonezilla Live 3.0.2 Comes with UFW Firewall in the Live System
22:08 TR News; Twitters Elon Musk Imitates Freenodes Andrew Lee | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/08/elon-lee/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/08/elon-lee/
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22:08 TR Bot; Twitters Elon Musk Imitates Freenodes Andrew Lee | Techrights
22:10 TR News; (NEW): Today in Techrights http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Today_in_Techrights.gmi
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22:10 TR Bot; Tux Machines Today in Techrights
22:17 AdmFubar1; https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/malicious-extension-lets-attackers-control-google-chrome-remotely/
22:17 TR Bot; Malicious extension lets attackers control Google Chrome remotely
22:19 AdmFubar1; https://www.icij.org/investigations/luxembourg-leaks/australia-aims-to-force-corporations-to-report-which-countries-they-pay-taxes-to/
22:19 TR Bot; Australia aims to force corporations to report which countries they pay taxes to - ICIJ
22:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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