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00:00 matey; the first year that i had to deal with systemd
00:00 matey; i really fucking hated him
00:00 matey; for destroying gnu/linux
00:00 psydruid; I already hated him for pulseaudio
00:00 matey; right?
00:00 matey; however
00:01 matey; and im not condoning a single octet of his work here
00:01 matey; this is silver lining territory
00:01 psydruid; which I had to disable on my laptop to get decent non-crackling sound out of my soundcard
00:01 matey; the biggest drawback of systemd isnt systemd
00:01 matey; its the way the industry and its shills bent the fuck over for it
00:01 matey; and demanded the same of us
00:01 matey; thats where 99% of my ire about systemd goes
00:01 matey; we could have stopped this
00:02 matey; one man, at least of every living human i know, did absolutely everything he could.
00:02 psydruid; systemd is the nail in the coffin of gnu/linux
00:02 matey; he should get a fucking medal
00:02 matey; he was way ahead of devuan
00:02 matey; way ahead of me
00:03 matey; way ahead of everyone i can think of
00:03 SomeH4x0r; Poettering is not an issue himself. I think he has a corporation behind him.
00:03 matey; Poettering is not an issue himself. I think he has a corporation behind him <- more or less
00:03 matey; but i think he HELPED
00:03 SomeH4x0r; he did
00:03 psydruid; but systemd/gnu/linux will "win" by becoming "windows"
00:03 matey; "people say 'guns dont kill people'... but i think the gun helps!"-- izzard
00:04 matey; yes it will win by ceding
00:04 matey; "win by forfeit" is the essence of open source
00:04 psydruid; as long as people can play their "precious" games
00:04 matey; also known as "if you can beat them, join them"
00:04 matey; "whats PID 1, precious?"
00:06 matey; one man, at least of every living human i know, did absolutely everything he could. <- must be obvious to everyone else, since no one asked
00:06 bnchs; can we mark every human with their own PID
00:06 matey; no thats what ipv6 is for
00:06 psydruid; but it may not be a bad thing if it replaces "the system formerly known as windows"
00:06 matey; (as if imsi isnt enough)
00:06 bnchs; matey: PID is a single number
00:07 psydruid; as that is an even worse codebase
00:07 bnchs; independent of how much the CPU can support
00:07 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_fingerprinting
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00:07 TR Bot; Radio fingerprinting - Wikipedia
00:07 matey; An electronic fingerprint makes it possible to identify a wireless device by its radio transmission characteristics. Radio fingerprinting is commonly used by cellular operators to prevent cloning of cell phones a cloned device will have the same numeric equipment identity but a different radio fingerprint.
00:08 matey; i believe this relies on the laws of physics, rather than drm
00:09 matey; matey: PID is a single number <- im not sure how ipv6 is different in this regard
00:09 bnchs; it's not per device
00:09 bnchs; it's per human
00:09 matey; ahh, fair point
00:09 bnchs; like a social security number
00:09 bnchs; i can do a kill -s SIGKILL 1001029130
00:10 matey; so when people die we can use their pid for identity theft :)
00:10 bnchs; or pkill -s SIGKILL johndoe
00:10 bnchs; matey: the pid increments
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00:10 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 17.98 k/sec., IPFS upstream 52.21 average k/sec., average swarm size 500.28
00:10 psydruid; this can be used to erase someone from the planet
00:10 TR News; Links 07/05/2022: SparkyLinux 6.3 and Wine 7.8 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/07/sparkylinux-6-3/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/07/sparkylinux-6-3/
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00:10 bnchs; even if a guy with a PID died
00:10 TR Bot; Links 07/05/2022: SparkyLinux 6.3 and Wine 7.8 | Techrights
00:10 matey; im sure there are limits even on 64-bit versions
00:10 bnchs; you won't take his PID
00:10 psydruid; very cool tech, IBM
00:11 matey; ibm is traditionally good at erasing people from the planet
00:11 matey; its sort of their thing
00:11 psydruid; all the POWER is in your hands
00:11 TR News; Proprietary Software Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164592
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00:11 TR Bot; Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines
00:11 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164593
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00:11 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
00:11 matey; "ALLOW POWER"-- ibm in the 40s
00:11 TR News; Free, Libre, and Open Source Software Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164594
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00:11 TR Bot; Free, Libre, and Open Source Software | Tux Machines
00:11 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164595
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00:11 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
00:12 psydruid; Inspur POWER
00:13 psydruid; to help the Chinese with their digital transformation
00:13 psydruid; or is that mutation
00:13 psydruid; I forgot
00:13 matey; if youre talking about the people, its transformation
00:13 TR News; The Stars, From the Ground Up: While Supplies Last (Part 1) gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202205/20220507-the-stars-from-the-ground-up-while-supplies-last-part-1.gmi
00:13 matey; if youre talking about the laws, its mutation
00:14 psydruid; it's going to be a transformative experience for sure
00:14 psydruid; life will never be the same again
00:14 matey; the good news is that china is occupied by people intent on fixing it
00:15 matey; the bad news of course, is the relatively low count of such people :)
00:15 matey; but at least they are present
00:15 matey; and the numbers will continue to grow
00:16 matey; as roy says about github, its only a matter of time
00:16 matey; (sort of)
00:16 TR News; Voyager 22.04.1 is out https://voyagerlive.org/
00:16 TR Bot;
00:16 *psydruid was being extremely cynical about what's happening to people in Tibet and Xinjiang
00:16 matey; thats reasonable
00:16 matey; cynicism is justifiable
00:17 matey; im even in favour of it, as long as it doesnt become a crutch
00:17 matey; but i know youre smarter than that, so i dont worry
00:17 matey; it really is justifiable
00:17 matey; cynicism is normally better than throwing the monitor
00:17 matey; the world says "fuck everything" and the cynic says "whatever"
00:18 matey; later we can say more and maybe even do something about it
00:18 matey; but at least we dont have to go buy a new monitor
00:18 matey; so as a first step, cynicism is practical
00:18 matey; its a way of expressing rage that 9 out of 10 monitors prefer
00:19 matey; (some are just so tired of looking at tech news sites that they would prefer to die)
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00:21 psydruid; I've never been that destructive or pessimistic, but I try to be realistic most of the time
00:21 matey; realism has limitations
00:21 matey; the wright brothers didnt care about being realistic
00:21 matey; i beat a dead horse with them, only because they represent such a triumph of human ingenuity
00:22 matey; in the face of 99% of the scientific world thinking they were literally nuts.
00:22 matey; and they werent even scientists, they were BICYCLE DESIGNERS
00:22 matey; but when they were done, they were (at LEAST) engineers
00:23 matey; thats the kind of human spirit free software needs to get back
00:24 psydruid; I think there is something wrong with software in the first place
00:24 matey; also they started simple and iterated, which i fucking love
00:24 matey; I think there is something wrong with software in the first place <- interesting, what?
00:24 psydruid; or maybe even the field of computer science
00:24 matey; oh definitely
00:24 matey; i mean it has its good points
00:24 matey; most things do
00:24 psydruid; it makes no sense to reinvent everything every 30-50 years
00:25 matey; oh i think it makes more than none
00:25 matey; but fashion is way overdone
00:25 matey; its one thing to reinvent things every few decades
00:25 psydruid; you don't see that in natural sciences, which is where I come from
00:25 matey; its another to drag everyone else through that shit
00:25 matey; industry isnt a natural science :)
00:26 matey; its more of a cult
00:26 matey; and cults and narcissists have to keep reinventing themselves
00:26 matey; imagine what would happen if the spanish inquisition showed up right about now
00:26 matey; the original one
00:26 matey; youd have cardinals getting red on a lot more than their outfits
00:27 matey; theyd be toast
00:27 psydruid; imagine having to throw out the laws of Maxwell, Newton and Einstein because they are "old" and we should get with the "new"
00:27 matey; cults and narcissists have to reinvent themselves constantly, because otherwise people would catch on to their bullshit
00:28 matey; imagine having to throw out the laws of Maxwell, Newton and Einstein because they are "old" and we should get with the "new" <- indeed, this is the thing about computing i reject
00:28 matey; but
00:28 matey; there is this thing where
00:28 matey; when you get new tools...
00:28 matey; you want to go out and redo everything with new tools
00:28 matey; and while thats really terrible for some things, i get it, at least
00:28 psydruid; I was misled into thinking the field was young and things hadn't settled yet, but instead it all turned into complete garbage
00:29 matey; if you keep inventing the wheel, eventually some idiot is going to make a square one, and tell people round is out of date
00:29 matey; the problem is really that the industry pushes people around
00:30 matey; if people are free to laugh at this shit, and nothing can stop them from doing that, then its probably okay
00:30 matey; which is different from ideal
00:30 matey; but resources being what they are, it becomes a fight for those every time some idiot makes the square wheel OF THE FUTURE
00:30 matey; whether its the cloud, systemd or flatpak
00:30 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22050622
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00:30 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/9fzvyk0jr8x81.jpg created on 2022-05-06 08:22:44.822314
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00:30 matey; so here we are.
00:31 matey; and youre right that its far from a scientific attitude
00:31 matey; which is why i spent so much time talking about how our attitude about this could be more scientific
00:31 matey; not perfectly so, just more reasonably so
00:31 matey; i mean the cults we have to deal with are based on marketing and bullshit
00:32 matey; and the needs of industry douchebags
00:32 matey; aka "developers developers developers"
00:32 matey; which really means industry
00:33 matey; "microsoft! microsoft! microsoft! microsoft!" "microsoft! microsoft! microsoft! microsoft!"-- what ballmer really meant
00:33 matey; we have to reinvent everything-- so microsoft can sell it to us
00:33 matey; then a few years later, we have to do it again
00:34 matey; just like printer manufacturers arent in the printer business, theyre in the ink cartridge business
00:34 matey; microsoft isnt in the software business, theyre in the make users redo everything all over again (INNOVA~1) business
00:35 matey; if they gave a shit about software they would have taken windows outside and shot it years ago
00:35 matey; it serves their purposes
00:36 activelow; chopping long filenames was common with many early computer systems, reason being limited RAM, a few dozen KiB of it
00:36 matey; why sell the cow when you can sell the milk for so much more?
00:36 psydruid; I wonder how it serves anyone else's purpose
00:36 matey; it doesnt
00:36 matey; thats where marketing comes in
00:36 activelow; reminder, the early altair basic was punched onto a paper tape 4KiB max
00:37 matey; when a drug dealer sells you something highly addictive, theyre not considering anyone elses needs but their own
00:37 matey; its just business
00:37 activelow; some CP/M didn't support sub-directories... another such problem in the early days
00:37 matey; it takes a lot of marketing to sell people a model based on profiting from everyone else shooting themselves in the foot again and again and again
00:38 activelow; nowadays, it is megasoft almost everywhere, including the corporation which sticked to the label micro
00:39 activelow; maga-mega-soft
00:39 matey; http://techrights.org/wiki/Ted_MacReilly_Handbook_Revisited:_Chapter_9
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00:39 TR Bot; Ted MacReilly Handbook Revisited: Chapter 9 - Techrights
00:39 matey; Chapter 9: Ownership Through Branding
00:41 activelow; to my knowledge early "micro"-soft did implement their prime product themselves at that time: basic
00:42 activelow; nonetheless, i wouldn't touch any other of their products ever, except for the basic interpreter
00:43 activelow; don't know, if anyone on earth could decipher the paper tape
00:43 matey; whats funny about this is:
00:43 MinceR; except for the tons of bugfixing so it would actually work on the altair, from what i've heard :>
00:43 matey; www.awakenthegreatnesswithin.com/35-inspirational-thomas-j-watson-quotes-on-success/
00:43 matey; A leading self-made industrialist, he was one of the richest men of his time and was called the world's greatest salesman when he died in 1956.
00:43 psydruid; their newest products always require the latest computers
00:43 matey; whats funny about that snippet of text is
00:43 matey; i was looking for "far side" "greatest salesman"
00:44 matey; about the guy who sold refrigerators to eskimos :)
00:44 matey; and it gave me something about the guy from ibm.
00:45 matey; all you need to operate an altair is a long piece of paper, a very small hole punch, and GREAT DEAL of patience
00:46 matey; the first thing i would do, personally, is switch to some kind of plastic or mylar tape.
00:46 matey; the second thing i would do is switch to magnetic tape, and the third thing i would do is add a fucking usb port.
00:46 matey; "but not a real fucking usb port thats cruel"
00:48 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=B4L3ls_6UYg
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00:48 TR Bot; Barenaked Ladies - If I Had a Million Dollars (BEST Lyrics Video!) - Invidious
00:48 activelow; the paper tape has one huge benefit: longevity... if anyone could decipher it and construct the required hardware... including the altair
00:50 matey; of course a usb device connected to an altair is NOT going to have the throughput of a usb device connected to... a real usb port
00:50 matey; but since the altair can only read so many k from it anyway, thats okay
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00:52 matey; def wtflen(p):
00:53 matey; c=0
00:53 matey; for each in p: c += 1
00:53 matey; return c
00:53 matey; s/for/ for/
00:54 matey; print wtflen("how long is this string?")
00:56 psydruid; wtfbasic = python
00:56 matey; python and basic both have a perfectly good len statement
00:57 matey; the python one is cooler because it works on arrays (lists)
00:57 matey; python 3 = wtfpython
00:58 matey; wtflen() is meant as a sort of analogue to putting a usb port on an altair :)
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 17.75 k/sec., IPFS upstream 79.63 average k/sec., average swarm size 564.68
00:59 matey; i mean an actual len statement wouldnt work that way, because the language implementation should already have access to the size of variables etc
00:59 matey; otherwise how would it know how to iterate through the characters? its a tautological function definition
00:59 *psydruid has no idea what an altair even is
01:00 matey; the hardware that created microsoft
01:00 psydruid; evil hardware that must have been
01:00 matey; nope, the hardware is innocent
01:00 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altair_BASIC
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01:00 TR Bot; Altair BASIC - Wikipedia
01:01 matey; it was simply exploited to create an empire
01:01 matey; in fact it was more than innocent, the infamous "letter to hobbyists" was intended to discourage people from copying software for their altair
01:01 TR News; "A 7-segment display can be used to display a limited amount of data having numeric values and alphabets. Such types of displays are mostly used in banks, hospitals, super markets for displaying token numbers and counter numbers. So, we have also created a digital counter using the 7-segment display with Arduino Uno" https://linuxhint.com/make-digital-counter-seven-segment-arduino-2/
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01:01 TR Bot; How to make digital counter using 7 segment with Arduino Uno
01:02 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homebrew_Computer_Club
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01:02 TR Bot; Homebrew Computer Club - Wikipedia
01:02 psydruid; they did a "Gary, kill 'em all" on the industry
01:02 matey; The Homebrew Computer Club was an informal group of electronic enthusiasts and technically minded hobbyists who gathered to trade parts, circuits, and information pertaining to DIY construction of personal computing devices.
01:03 matey; It was started by Gordon French and Fred Moore who met at the Community Computer Center in Menlo Park.
01:03 matey; The first meeting of the club was held on March 5, 1975, in French's garage
01:03 matey; apple: started in a garage
01:03 matey; hp: started in a garage
01:03 matey; sam zeloof: makes chips in his garage
01:03 psydruid; didn't people have spines so as not to go along with the scam?
01:04 matey; spines have a limited carrying capacity
01:04 matey; the scam was a juggernaut
01:05 matey; things like microsoft really follow the boiling frog metaphor
01:05 psydruid; I'm thinking the lack of hardware freedom played a part as well
01:05 matey; even if the story itself (the boiling frog) is bullshit
01:05 matey; i mean in the 70s, hardware freedom was a thing
01:05 matey; its how apple started
01:05 matey; in the 70s, copyright couldnt be applied to software either (in the usa)
01:06 matey; not until the early 80s
01:06 activelow; berne convention and authors rights applied before
01:06 activelow; still does
01:06 matey; software was uncopyrightable
01:07 activelow; what does that mean? authors have rights; with or without whatever you mean with copyright.
01:07 matey; Many of the original members of the Homebrew Computer Club continue to meet (as of 2009[update]), having formed the 6800 Club, named after the Motorola (now Freescale) 6800 microprocessor
01:07 matey; Occasionally and variously renamed after the release of the 6800, 6809, and other microprocessors, the group continues to meet monthly in Cupertino, California.[citation needed]
01:08 matey; Most of the members were hobbyists but had an electronic engineering or computer programming background.[10] They came to the meetings to talk about the Altair 8800, to review other technical topics, and to exchange schematics and programming tips.
01:08 psydruid; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OorZcOzNcgE
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01:08 TR Bot; https://invidious.flokinet.to/watch?v=OorZcOzNcgE
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01:08 TR Bot; invidious.flokinet.to | Deep Purple - Child In Time - Live (1970) - Invidious
01:08 matey; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OorZcOzNcgE
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01:09 matey; cool, i only know "smoke on the water" by them
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01:10 psydruid; I think I learned to play it way back
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01:10 psydruid; "smoke on the water", that is
01:11 psydruid; just a few parts, though
01:11 matey; Felsenstein was one of the original members of the Homebrew Computer Club, which formed in 1975 in response to the appearance of the Altair 8800 computer kit. With a handy yardstick, Felsenstein "moderated" meetings at the SLAC Auditorium. He was less a chair than a keeper of chaos.
01:11 matey; i like the idea of a moderator that keeps things chaotic
01:12 matey; "excuse me, excuse me everyone-- could you keep the noise UP, please?"
01:12 matey; /me would consider earplugs, but probably still like it more than some other meeting
01:13 psydruid; LUGs seem as dead as UUGs were at some point
01:13 matey; if i designed a computer club and it worked exactly as designed, id probably start with something like callahans crosstime saloon
01:14 psydruid; but maybe that's because it's so easy to get it installed these days
01:14 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callahan%27s_Crosstime_Saloon
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01:14 TR Bot; Callahan's Crosstime Saloon - Wikipedia
01:14 matey; ive been to one, maybe two lugs ever
01:14 matey; at one i got to touch an xo-1 :)
01:15 psydruid; hardware should definitely play a part in a revival
01:15 matey; worth the trip for that alone
01:15 psydruid; of the concept at least
01:15 matey; hardware should definitely play a part in a revival <- in more ways than one
01:15 matey; regarding hardware, stallman is a damned fool
01:15 matey; regarding software, hes one of the most important people in the history of computing
01:16 matey; as long we dont mix up the two
01:16 XRevan86; matey: Would be a shame if anyone were to feed wtflen() an infinite iterator :)
01:16 matey; i mean, there are cheaper ways to create an endless loop
01:19 matey; >>> for p in range(10000000000): pass
01:19 matey; OverflowError: range() result has too many items
01:19 matey; >>> for p in range(1000000000): pass
01:19 matey; Traceback (most recent call last):
01:19 matey; MemoryError
01:20 XRevan86; matey: That feels like Python 2.
01:20 matey; of course
01:20 XRevan86; Of course, because Python 3's range is Python 2's xrange?
01:20 MinceR; try xrange then
01:20 matey; but i imagine python3 has similar (if not identical) safeties
01:20 XRevan86; matey: Yes, but range() is an iterator.
01:20 matey; werent we talking about iterators?
01:21 XRevan86; range() in Python 2 isn't.
01:21 matey; ah ok
01:21 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164596
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01:21 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
01:21 matey; so xrange then
01:21 matey; OverflowError: Python int too large to convert to C long
01:21 matey; thats the first one
01:22 XRevan86; matey: That's weird, it should work fine.
01:22 matey; 32bit
01:22 XRevan86; matey: It's not going to eat memory with xrange (range in Python 3)
01:22 matey; the second one was using 100% of one core :)
01:23 matey; in all instances memory usage didnt go up
01:23 matey; but in the xrange one that didnt overflow, it started grabbing cpu
01:23 matey; im pretty sure while 1: pass will do the same though
01:23 XRevan86; matey: Too efficient for your CPU :)
01:23 matey; i was of course able to kill the process
01:24 matey; thats not hard
01:24 matey; i mean, nothing was being weird
01:24 matey; but i didnt feel like playing a game of chicken with a system that has 200 days of uptime
01:25 matey; and quite a few things open at the moment
01:25 matey; (though the important ones are saved and synced im sure)
01:25 matey; (this is not how i would prefer to test that)
01:26 matey; ive got a laptop i could turn on and put up to this, but my curiosity is satisfied for the moment
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01:39 DaemonFC; Someone on Reddit was complaining that Instacart pairs orders and they lugged 10 24 packs of water up to someone's apartment and that person didn't tip, and they thought it was the person who left them a $60 tip.
01:40 DaemonFC; Someone else said if there's an order with a ton of bottled water, most of the time, that's the lousy/no tip.
01:43 DaemonFC; Someone in Japan with Bitcomet. Well, that's an unusual peer.
01:48 matey; they lugged 10 24 packs of water up to someone's apartment and that person didn't tip, and they thought it was the person who left them a $60 tip.
01:48 matey; 10 24 packs? id buy them dinner.
01:57 matey; when youre buying 10 24 packs of water, a saner option is a filter for the sink but
01:58 matey; they probably thought of that and opted for the "convenience" of 240 separate bottles.
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.60 k/sec., IPFS upstream 72.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 637.21
02:03 matey; one for dr sixel:
02:03 matey; from rob pike of unix (/google) fame
02:04 DaemonFC; Probably complaining about MARISOL.
02:04 matey; "compile time 0.18 seconds..." (ibm 360 high speed job stream, 1970s, 1mhz machine) "run time 0.11 seconds..." "i have been waiting to get back to that speed of compile my entire career"
02:04 matey; marisol, marisol, does whatever a marisol does
02:05 matey; the legend of marisol would have made a highly amusing text adventure
02:05 matey; you must collect apple airbuds at some point in the game
02:05 DaemonFC; Hey kid....want some truck water?
02:05 DaemonFC; :)
02:05 matey; especially if you dont need them and cant afford them
02:07 matey; "the stuff they had for doing high speed work on the 360, in my opinion is unparalleled ever since"-- rob pike
02:07 TR News; Plasma Desktop in Latest KDE Neon (State-of-the-Art Plasma) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/07/state-of-the-art-plasma/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/07/state-of-the-art-plasma/
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02:07 TR Bot; Plasma Desktop in Latest KDE Neon (State-of-the-Art Plasma) | Techrights
02:08 matey; he doesnt say hes a fan except of the compiler speed
02:09 matey; "back then [1975] you needed an ACCOUNT if you wanted to use the computer with more resources"
02:09 matey; yeah, about that...
02:11 matey; anyway, he got about $100 of "free" computing time from his professor
02:11 matey; redid his program to print out graphics
02:11 *swaggboi has quit (Quit: C-x C-c)
02:12 matey; showed the professor, who then escourted him to the graphics lab with a pdp-11/45 and some kind of graphics terminal
02:12 DaemonFC; I've finally got my black and white cat trained to hop up on the couch or bed when I tap on it.
02:12 matey; a dec gt40
02:12 DaemonFC; Just like a dog.
02:12 DaemonFC; That only took six years.
02:12 TR News; Open Hardware/Modding: Raspberry Pi and Arduino Articles Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164597
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02:12 TR Bot; Open Hardware/Modding: Raspberry Pi and Arduino Articles | Tux Machines
02:14 matey; "this (late 70s) framebuffer was 256x256 by 8 bits"
02:14 matey; and the first raster graphics terminal he had seen
02:15 matey; why 256x256x8?
02:15 matey; "that is the complete address space of the pdp-11"
02:15 matey; so you could basically show the state of the entire machine graphically
02:16 matey; and i guess buffering the image made very little sense too :) just write it
02:17 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164598
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02:17 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
02:21 TR News; KDE Neon had a new release this past Thursday; Ive decided to show what OS I tinker with these days (GNU/Linux at the cutting/bleeding edge) http://techrights.org/2022/05/07/state-of-the-art-plasma/
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02:22 TR News; Wrong thing to board about: "passed the milestone of more than 100 patents filed globally, spanning four continents and more than 10 countries." https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220418005594/en/AEye-Opens-Munich-Office-Appoints-Technical-Sales-Director-for-Europe
02:22 TR Bot; AEye Opens Munich Office, Appoints Technical Sales Director for Europe | Business Wire
02:22 TR News; Python Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164599
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02:22 TR Bot; Python Leftovers | Tux Machines
02:24 TR News; WTH is "HEY HI"? This is just patent propaganda. "Korean HEY HI lagging... blah blah legal protection" (link omitted)
02:24 TR News; Software Patents: "The '727 patent generally relates to a taxi trip meter system that includes a taximeter and a location sensor connected to a computer" https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/5/3/2000-for-fare-technologies-prior-art
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02:24 TR Bot; $2,000 for Fare Technologies prior art Unified Patents
02:25 TR News; Software Patents: "The '876 patent relates to a route guidance system for vehicles." https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/5/6/2000-for-prior-art-on-equitable-ip-entity-route-guidance-system-patent
02:25 TR Bot; $2,000 for prior art on Equitable IP entity, Route Guidance System patent Unified Patents
02:26 TR News; Software Patents: "dynamic computer system security method using dynamic encryption and full synchronization" https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/5/6/2000-for-prior-art-on-ip-edge-entity-moxchange
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02:26 TR Bot; $2,000 for prior art on IP Edge entity, Moxchange Unified Patents
02:26 matey; customs security guy in the late 70s early 80s, suspicious of software which is suddenly becoming important "whats in the bag?"
02:26 matey; rob pike "oh its a computer disk"
02:26 matey; customs "well is it software?"
02:26 matey; rob pike "no, its just computer programs"
02:27 matey; customs "ok, you can go then" :)
02:28 TR News; Greenwashing garbage for companies that break the law. Fake 'studies' and totally laughable junk https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vmware-joins-green-software-foundation-140110417.html http://techrights.org/wiki/VMware
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02:28 TR Bot; VMware Joins the Green Software Foundation
02:28 TR Bot; VMware - Techrights
02:28 matey; so he worked at bell labs in 1980 and then later went to google
02:29 matey; bell labs had metal walls on the labs :)
02:29 matey; to contain any explosions
02:30 TR News; How to give a bad name to Gentoo: call a reckless company in northeast England after gentoos https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-61007474 also: This is BillBC, which covered up for Jimmy Savile, whom it knew was raping little kids. Now BillBC does the same for Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein, albeit FOR PROFIT.
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02:30 matey; i think in the 80s, microsoft probably needed that more than bell labs did
02:30 TR Bot; explosion: Man charged with criminal damage - BBC News
02:32 TR News; At Watchroll now they have "Software Claiming A Look at Means-Plus-Function"... openly and shamelessly promoting... Software Patents. EPO mimics USPTO because some patent offices have been hijacked by crooks and their middlemen. USPTO is now run by Microsoft Vidal, who supports Software Patents.
02:33 TR News; This crazy world where you can carve yourself a monopoly on maths https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=cba7888e-8f64-4946-b4d1-4d62a7060e7b
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02:33 TR Bot; II - Strategies in Response to Non-Obviousness Requirements for Mechanical and Software Patents in the United States, China, Europe and Taiwan - Lexology
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02:34 TR News; FOSS Patents: Ericsson says Apple 'walk[ed] back its agreement to accept Ericsson's [5G patent licensing] offer if it is confirmed as FRAND' by Texas court http://www.fosspatents.com/2022/04/ericsson-says-apple-walked-back-its.html Source: fosspatents
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02:34 TR Bot; FOSS Patents: Ericsson says Apple 'walk[ed] back its agreement to accept Ericsson's [5G patent licensing] offer if it is confirmed as FRAND' by Texas court
02:35 TR News; "SPONSORED FEATURE"... this is what El Reg has been reduced to: advertorials. https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/08/origina_reduced_ibm_software_maintenance_bills/ see http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-register-microsoft-pr/
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02:35 TR Bot; Origina: We can cut your IBM software maintenance bills in half The Register
02:35 TR Bot; The Fall of The Register | Techrights
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02:37 TR News; Taiwan's litigation lobby hobbling and curtailing the country's own industry https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=3e7a55bc-c78a-41d1-883e-073d730f9bf7
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02:37 TR Bot; Patent Examination Guidelines for Computer Software-Related Inventions - Lexology
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02:38 DaemonFC; I need to get my glasses. I read that as hell labs.
02:38 DaemonFC; Satan: "What new things do you have for me today!?"
02:39 TR News; Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-070522.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-070522.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-070522.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-070522.txt
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02:39 TR News; "Spartan protocol is simpler than Gemini protocol and does not use TLS. This makes it significantly less computationally expensive and thus friendlier to very old machines." gemini://lyk.so/small-internet/spartan/
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02:40 TR News; "I am aware that the Gemini mailing list is currently down. The list admin has informed me that this is due to a hardware failure, and that they are working to restore it. There is no ETA yet. I have local copies of all the list traffic so nothing is likely to have been lost forever. Please be patient!" gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/~solderpunk/gemlog/gemini-mailing-list-down.gmi
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02:40 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, May 07, 2022
02:41 TR News; "server authors have a way to communicate to clients that they should slow down: status 44. And they have a way to communicate to bots which URLs not to request via /robots.txt." gemini://transjovian.org/gemini/page/Dealing%20with%20bots
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02:42 TR News; "In my last gemlog entry[1] I talked about the gemini server framework I created but hadn't yet made the code available. This wasn't because the code wasn't ready to publish but because I didn't yet know where I wanted to publish it." gemini://clifton.kaznocha.net/gemlog/2021-12-19-announcing-source_community.gmi
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02:46 XRevan86; matey: Before going to sleep, I'll just throw this at you:
02:46 XRevan86; > for i, _ in enumerate(p): continue
02:46 XRevan86; > return i + 1
02:46 XRevan86; -1 line.
02:48 MinceR; len(p)
02:48 XRevan86; MinceR: Amazing simplicity and efficiency :)
02:49 matey; len(p) <- it cant be done!
02:49 activelow; reminds me of an issue with abduco session manager... which does not track clientIDs for individual disconnect
02:49 matey; XRevan86 ive used enumerate about twice
02:49 matey; its a good design, it has my respect
02:49 XRevan86; There's also functools.reduce which can simplify further, but it's an import.
02:49 activelow; because, i want an option for a single-client connect, similar to tmux
02:50 matey; but whenever i would use it, im thinking about something else instead
02:50 matey; so it never gets used-- it is still a good design
02:50 matey; but its basically len() which i guess is the point
02:50 matey; my (openly silly) example shows how len works, sort of, in a way that is both misleading but easy to explain
02:51 matey; while enumerate is probably more efficient but also misleading (and also redundant, as is mine, comically so) and completely opaque
02:51 matey; all of its useless, all of its fun
02:51 XRevan86; matey: Except that len rarely works that way in Python, but ye have pointed this out yourself.
02:51 matey; here are the (comical) pros and cons
02:52 matey; yes i pointed out that it would be redundant for len to work that way :) tautological even
02:52 matey; like saying "god is all powerful and created everything else"
02:52 matey; ive never seen machine code for len, and i can still say with some confidence it works nothing like these examples
02:53 matey; because the language should know what the length of a variable is, and thats what len should return
02:53 matey; these programs either measure it, which is silly
02:53 matey; or they return the same value by similar means
02:53 matey; none are implementations, theyre either synonyms or misdirections :)
02:53 matey; still, its FUN to show that you can "sort of" implement in len in other ways
02:54 matey; as long as you dont tell people "see? this is how it works"
02:54 XRevan86; matey: Heard of len?
02:54 matey; whats it do :) i rarely dabble with the underscored stuff
02:55 matey; /me uses python as a step up from shell scripts, while some people use it as a step down from some international space station development environment
02:55 matey; python is a LOT more powerful than anything i use it for.
02:55 matey; by more than one order of magnitude i figure
02:56 matey; though what is use for is pretty close to its predecessor which inspired python
02:57 matey; the precessor of python: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABC_(programming_language)
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02:57 TR Bot; ABC (programming language) - Wikipedia
02:57 matey; predecessor
02:57 XRevan86; matey: https://docs.python.org/3/reference/datamodel.html#object.len
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02:57 TR Bot; 3. Data model Python 3.10.4 documentation
02:58 matey; "ABC had a major influence on the design of the language Python, developed by Guido van Rossum, who formerly worked for several years on the ABC system in the mid-1980s."
02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.93 k/sec., IPFS upstream 71.66 average k/sec., average swarm size 536.21
02:59 matey; matey: https://docs.python.org/3/reference/datamodel.html#object.len <- lol
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03:00 XRevan86; And that's how len() actually works.
03:01 matey; "nel blu dipinto di blu"
03:01 matey; And that's how len() actually works. <- no, its just the interface that len calls
03:01 matey; unless you can print it and get the code somehow
03:01 matey; which maybe you can, but
03:02 matey; it certainly doesnt SAY SO there in the paragraph
03:02 XRevan86; matey: But odds are the method will just get a stored value and give it out.
03:02 matey; i guessed that much
03:02 matey; i mean theres source code available for cpython
03:02 matey; so that is how it actually works
03:03 matey; "But odds are the method will just get a stored value and give it out." <- and i agree, and that was my guess too
03:03 matey; thats how pascal does it
03:03 matey; afaik c uses a nul character
03:03 matey; which i think is hateful, but its certainly efficient
03:04 XRevan86; "afaik" <- It definitely does.
03:04 XRevan86; Not particularly efficient.
03:04 matey; /me is partial to pascal strings, but not to pascal itself
03:04 XRevan86; It's the bane of C's existence.
03:04 matey; yes!
03:05 TR News; In Spite of All the AstroTurfing, Microsoft Edge (Ripoff of Chrome) is Falling Every Month So Far This Year (Along With Windows) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/07/browsers-by-use/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/07/browsers-by-use/
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03:05 TR Bot; In Spite of All the AstroTurfing, Microsoft Edge (Ripoff of Chrome) is Falling Every Month So Far This Year (Along With Windows) | Techrights
03:05 matey; sometimes even the gods fuck up
03:05 matey; i think c strings was one of those
03:06 XRevan86; matey: A lot of security specialists will agree.
03:06 TR News; We're just 4 weeks away now from the 18th birthday of Tux Machines http://techrights.org/2021/12/04/weds-anniversary/
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03:07 TR Bot; Tux Machines is 17.5 Years Old Today | Techrights
03:07 matey; whereas i simply think theyre inconvenient, and dislike them for that reason
03:07 matey; but im sure if i dabbled more in security it wouldnt take me long to find a second reason to hate them
03:07 matey; it sort of sounds like a recipe for "build your own overflow"
03:07 matey; or a big bullseye for an overflow that says "AIM HERE!"
03:08 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 94402 total Total number of pages in capsule: 40499 Active: active (running) since Mon 2022-02-07 16:50:38 GMT; 2 months 28 days ago
03:09 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 42 GB TotalOut: 9.0 GB
03:09 TR News; This Week in Linux 197: Firefox 100, WINE Bottles, Tails 5.0, Unity Desktop, Ubuntu and more Linux news! - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/this-week-in-linux/twil-197/ Source: TuxDigital | GNU | Linux
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03:09 TR Bot; Firefox 100, WINE Bottles, Tails 5.0, Unity Desktop, Ubuntu and more Linux news! - This Week in Linux - TuxDigital
03:10 XRevan86; matey: The fun thing is that nul doesn't have to even exist.
03:10 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:10 matey; /me is watching a video from rob pike where he talks about how in the early 80s, hello world in c didnt have int or void on main() and before that, didnt even include stdio but used printf anyway
03:10 matey; of course in version 6 unix i think stdio didnt exist yet
03:10 matey; so including it would be somewhat delusional (or VERY VERY advanced)
03:11 matey; in version 5 it did not exist yet
03:11 XRevan86; And that can break code in such a way that gives back parts of memory to the right of the string.
03:11 XRevan86; Very exploitable.
03:11 TR News; "No greenwashing, thank you, I already use GNU/Linux..." https://www.makeuseof.com/ways-linux-reduces-ewaste/ no ads (brainwash) either, no temptation for needless, wasteful consumption
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03:11 TR Bot; How Does Linux Help Reduce E-Waste?
03:11 matey; though at least now we have mitigations (and if you think i trust those to the ends of the earth, i dont)
03:12 TR News; Based on StatCounter, Microsofts Edge market share fell every month this year. Microsoft Edges share, all versions combined, from January to May: 4.12%, 4.06%, 4.05%, 4.05%, and 4.04%. http://techrights.org/2022/05/07/browsers-by-use/
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03:12 XRevan86; matey: C has implicit int.
03:12 XRevan86; It's highly deprecated, but it's there.
03:12 schestowitz-TR; who you call a c**?
03:12 IPFS; QmRQVhGpsKDNmkjNUW1AkVeznhpmY4wAGbjRcBeWH1qdd2
03:12 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
03:13 XRevan86; If main() doesn't have int or void, it has int, but it's implicit.
03:13 matey; c sells csh by the c shore
03:13 schestowitz-TR; xi sells
03:13 matey; i dont know their preferred pronoun
03:14 schestowitz-TR; bears are "it"
03:14 schestowitz-TR; pooh the bear is he
03:14 schestowitz-TR; xi is she
03:14 schestowitz-TR; but only audibly
03:14 schestowitz-TR; gn
03:15 matey; that actually reminds me of the lyrics to tom lehrers imaginary version of gilbert and sullivans take on oh my darling clementine
03:15 XRevan86; > and before that, didnt even include stdio but used printf anyway
03:16 XRevan86; matey: Huh, never heard of that quirk.
03:17 matey; well it stands to reason
03:17 matey; to include stdio, stdio must exist
03:17 matey; and and stdio was a feature of version 7 at the earliest
03:17 matey; and rob pike was using version 6 unix
03:18 matey; in version 6 they had started standardising io but
03:18 matey; it was version 7 where they really had the most reason to do so
03:18 matey; why include it if the os doesnt have it?
03:18 matey; i mean it wasnt part of the design yet
03:19 matey; and pipes > originally > looked like this >
03:19 matey; but then they must have decided that was crazy | and switched | to this
03:20 matey; but for pipes to work, io had to be standard
03:20 TR News; Real Madrid made it to CL final many times, and moreover won many times. Aston Villa did both before. But if both reach the CL final and play one another, you can finally say Villareal made it to the final of CL, not just semis like this year.
03:20 matey; and for unix to be unix, it has to have pipes
03:20 matey; so imo unix wasnt even REALLY unix until version 7
03:20 matey; but the history is interesting all the same
03:21 matey; there was some other form of ipc that competed with pipes in version 5 or 6
03:21 matey; it never caught on and came from some big company like hp or something
03:21 matey; "But I love she, and she loves me
03:21 matey; And raptured are the both of we
03:21 matey; Yes, I love she and she loves I
03:21 matey; And will through all eterni-ty!
03:21 matey; "
03:22 matey; tom lehrer poking at gilbert and sullivan
03:23 matey; he might not hate them, he had a go at cole porter too
03:26 matey; im not a fan of googlers of course
03:27 matey; but the book rob pike wrote with brian kernighan (and im a huge fan of kernighan, he didnt just write awk but hes sort of the author of hello world)
03:27 matey; dennis ritchie told him to write it
03:27 matey; the unix programming environment
03:28 matey; rob pike sent an email to ritchie and kernighan saying please please write this, its an important book
03:28 matey; and ritchie went to his office and said "why dont you write it"
03:28 matey; so he did, with kernighan
03:29 matey; "its full of in-jokes that almost nobody gets, but that makes them even better"
03:29 matey; "doug mcilroy the smartest person youve never heard of" rob pike
03:30 matey; i know who he is. hes the person who did unix pipes.
03:31 matey; a candidate for my favourite programmer in all of history
03:31 matey; though parts of the idea surely predate his implementation
03:32 matey; pipes are wasteful in terms of efficiency, and sometimes i redo things to avoid them
03:32 matey; and even most of the things i do to avoid them are absolutely designed in a way they inspired
03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.36 k/sec., IPFS upstream 53.93 average k/sec., average swarm size 1162.35
04:06 activelow; dirty hack... nonetheless, abduco session manager got session timeout now, and optional single-client-attach
04:08 activelow; re-iterating over the idea, a socket exposing the entire session ... at least i'll notice, if something happens
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05:21 AdmFubar; no they got it right https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/trend-micro-antivirus-modified-windows-registry-by-mistake-how-to-fix/
05:21 TR Bot; Trend Micro antivirus modified Windows registry by mistake How to fix
05:25 AdmFubar; :)) https://www.darkreading.com/attacks-breaches/scammer-infects-own-machine-reveals-true-identity
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05:25 TR Bot; Scammer Infects His Own Machine with Spyware, Reveals True Identity
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05:29 matey; The preferred way of contributing patches to Quassel is via our repository on Github. Simply fork the repository and then make pull requests.
05:35 AdmFubar; https://news.slashdot.org/story/22/05/07/0348254/is-plastic-recycling-a-myth?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed
05:35 TR Bot; Is Plastic Recycling a Myth? - Slashdot
05:35 AdmFubar; https://yro.slashdot.org/story/22/05/07/022206/millions-of-russians-are-tearing-holes-in-the-digital-iron-curtain-using-vpns?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed
05:35 TR Bot; Millions of Russians are 'Tearing Holes in the Digital Iron Curtain' Using VPNs - Slashdot
05:37 AdmFubar; https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rechargeable-molten-salt-battery-freezes-energy-in-place-for-long-term-storage/
05:37 TR Bot; Rechargeable Molten Salt Battery Freezes Energy in Place for Long-Term Storage - Scientific American
05:38 AdmFubar; https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/05/stung-by-3-court-losses-isps-stop-fighting-california-net-neutrality-law/
05:38 TR Bot; Stung by 3 court losses, ISPs stop fighting California net neutrality law | Ars Technica
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07:35 darwin; i bought an Eaton uninterruptible power supply (UPS)... Eaton PowerWare took over from Best Power, who used to make the top-quality ferroresonant pure sinewave UPSs... but this Eaton one isn't even turning on :( They are a main company that contributes to the Free/Libre Software (FLS) Network UPS Tools so I wanted to try them
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08:06 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, May 07, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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08:06 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
08:07 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
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08:07 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
08:08 TR News; In Spite of All the AstroTurfing, Microsoft Edge (Ripoff of Chrome) is Falling Every Month So Far This Year (Along With Windows) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/07/browsers-by-use/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/07/browsers-by-use/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/05/07/browsers-by-use/
=> gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/07/browsers-by-use/
08:08 TR Bot; In Spite of All the AstroTurfing, Microsoft Edge (Ripoff of Chrome) is Falling Every Month So Far This Year (Along With Windows) | Techrights
08:09 TR News; "Wine is the compatibility layer that allows you to run games and applications developed for Windows - on Linux (plus also macOS and BSD)" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/wine-78-is-out-now-with-x11-and-oss-drivers-converted-to-pe/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
=> ↺ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/wine-78-is-out-now-with-x11-and-oss-drivers-converted-to-pe/
08:09 TR Bot; 7.8 is out now with X11 and OSS drivers converted to PE | GamingOnLinux
08:10 TR News; "Germany based ICP has launched a compact PC based on Intels processors (11th Gen Intel Core & Celeron) for DIN rail use" https://linuxgizmos.com/din-rail-pc-with-four-2-5gbe-lan-dual-display-and-pcie-x4-slot/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
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08:10 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/din-rail-pc-with-four-2-5gbe-lan-dual-display-and-pcie-x4-slot/ )
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08:10 TR News; ">Radxarecently unveiled details about their newest SBC (Single Board Computer) Rock Pi 4 C+. At first sight" https://linuxgizmos.com/radxa-offers-affordable-rock-pi-4-c-equipped-with-rockchip-rk3399-t-processor/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
08:10 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/radxa-offers-affordable-rock-pi-4-c-equipped-with-rockchip-rk3399-t-processor/ )
08:14 TR News; old: US Patent for Methods and systems for providing FIDO authentication services Patent (Patent # 10,917,405 issued February 9, 2021) - Justia Patents Search https://patents.justia.com/patent/10917405 Source: patents
=> ↺ https://patents.justia.com/patent/10917405
08:14 TR Bot; US Patent for Methods and systems for providing FIDO authentication services Patent (Patent # 10,917,405 issued February 9, 2021) - Justia Patents Search
08:14 TR News; David Walden, Computer Scientist at Dawn of Internet, Dies at 79 - The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/03/technology/david-walden-dead.html Source: nytimes
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08:14 TR Bot; David Walden, Computer Scientist at Dawn of Internet, Dies at 79 - The New York Times
08:15 TR News; GNU Radio Amplitude Modulation https://odysee.com/@TallPaulTech:b/gnu-radio-amplitude-modulation:f Source: TallPaulTech
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08:15 TR Bot; GNU Radio Amplitude Modulation
08:16 TR News; old: How criminals like Bill Gates bribe those who are meant to write about the crimes https://www.projectcensored.org/state-of-the-billionaire-press-concerns-over-media-objectivity-after-bill-gates-gives-319-million-to-news-outlets/
08:16 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/state-of-the-billionaire-press-concerns-over-media-objectivity-after-bill-gates-gives-319-million-to-news-outlets/ )
08:16 TR News; Social control media ruins you https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-05/a-week-off-social-media-reduces-depression-and-anxiety-research?sref=E9Urfma4
08:16 TR Bot; - Are you a robot?
08:17 TR News; "In preparing some data for another upcoming blog post, I needed to convert a list of fully qualified GitHub repository names " https://qmacro.org/blog/posts/2022/05/06/converting-strings-to-objects-with-jq/ | Source: DJ Adams
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08:17 TR Bot; Converting strings to objects with jq | DJ Adams
08:17 TR News; "I came across a great article via lobsters recently: Introducing zq: an Easier (and Faster) Alternative to jq." https://qmacro.org/blog/posts/2022/05/02/some-thoughts-on-jq-and-statelessness/ | Source: DJ Adams
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08:17 TR Bot; Some thoughts on jq and statelessness | DJ Adams
08:19 TR News; "In our 2003 SOSP "Best Paper" Preserving Peer Replicas By Rate-Limited Sampled Voting (also here, expanded version here) we introduced a number of concepts." https://blog.dshr.org/2022/05/probabilistic-fault-tolerance.html | Source: David Rosenthal
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08:19 TR Bot; DSHR's Blog: Probabilistic Fault Tolerance
08:19 TR News; "Similar to how the International Space Station maintains its orientation" https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/05/05/this-gyroscopic-stabilizer-aims-to-reduce-boat-roll-in-waves/ | Source: Arduino
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08:19 TR Bot; This gyroscopic stabilizer aims to reduce boat roll in waves | Arduino Blog
08:20 TR News; "Half of the sites on the [Internet] are so overloaded with tracking scripts, ads, third-party "analytics" platforms" https://flower.codes/2022/03/23/backwards-compatibility.html |
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08:20 TR Bot; To Build an Absurdly Backwards Compatible Website | flower.codes
08:20 TR News; "At first Fig presents itself as just an auto-complete tool and, don't get me wrong, if that is all you are looking for" https://matduggan.com/fig-terminal-autocomplete-review/ |
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08:20 TR Bot; Fig Terminal Auto-complete Review
08:20 TR News; "This blog post documents my understanding of how the conventions for Unix command line syntax have evolved over time" https://blog.liw.fi/posts/2022/05/07/unix-cli/ | Source: Lars Wirzenius
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08:20 TR Bot; Unix command line conventions over time
08:21 TR News;
08:21 TR News; "Another Exercism Bash track exercise, another opportunity to learn from the community solutions." https://qmacro.org/blog/posts/2022/04/17/bash-notes-3/ | Source: DJ Adams
=> ↺ https://qmacro.org/blog/posts/2022/04/17/bash-notes-3/
08:21 TR Bot; Bash notes 3 | DJ Adams
08:22 TR News; "I looked at a couple of more solutions to another Exercism exercise in the Bash track - Scrabble Score." https://qmacro.org/blog/posts/2022/04/10/bash-notes-2/ | Source: DJ Adams
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08:22 TR Bot; Bash notes 2 | DJ Adams
08:22 TR News; "I completed a very basic solution to the Proverb exercise in the Bash track on Exercism" https://qmacro.org/blog/posts/2022/04/07/bash-notes/ | Source: DJ Adams
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08:22 TR Bot; Bash notes | DJ Adams
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08:24 TR News; "According to court documents, the current group of claimants has spent a total of 2,742 days in jail or prison because of false arrests." https://www.thestreet.com/investing/heres-why-you-might-get-arrested-for-renting-from-hertz | Source: The Street
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08:24 TR Bot; Why You Might Get Arrested For Renting From Hertz - TheStreet
08:24 TR News; "Their experiences may be the tip of a large iceberg. Hertz acknowledges that it files some 3,500 theft reports per year on customers" https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-03-14/renting-a-car-from-hertz-you-could-wind-up-in-jail | Source: Los Angeles Times
08:24 TR Bot; Hiltzik: Hertz customers face the risk of arrest - Los Angeles Times
08:25 TR News; "When talking to rental company, document everything" https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2022/03/04/rental-car-consumer-rights/9365841002/ | Source: Gannett
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08:25 TR Bot; Rental cars: Some Hertz customers face arrest. What are your rights?
08:25 TR News; "happen only after exhaustive attempts to reach the customer." https://www.thedrive.com/news/44327/hertz-customer-arrested-for-rental-theft-a-year-after-the-car-was-returned-report | Source: The Drive
08:25 TR Bot; Hertz Customer Thrown in Jail for Rental Car 'Theft' a Year After He Returned It: Report
08:25 TR News; "Hertz refuses to correct a police report when they've learned payments [were] made, when they've learned the car's been returned" https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hertz-car-rental-customer-arrested-new-hampshire/ | Source: CBS
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08:25 TR Bot; New Hampshire man arrested aboard cruise ship is latest to be accused of stealing Hertz rental car: "Most horrific experience of my life" - CBS News
08:26 TR News; "The issue, which is being investigated by several US senators" https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/hertz-stolen-rental-car-reports-senate-investigation-called-for/ | Source: CNET
08:26 TR Bot; Senators Call for Investigation of Hertz Stolen Vehicle Reports - CNET
08:28 TR News; "Califfs position could mean the FDA takes a stronger stance on COVID misinformation" https://futurism.com/neoscope/fda-head-misinformation-leading-cause-death-covid-pandemic | Source: Futurism (which helps oover up for high-profile pedophiles, a sort of reputation laundering for money)
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08:28 TR Bot; Head of FDA Says Misinformation Is Now the Leading Cause of Death
08:29 TR News; "I believe that misinformation is now our leading cause of death" https://healthjournalism.org/blog/2022/04/fda-commissioner-califf-sounds-the-alarm-on-health-misinformation-at-ahcj/ |
08:29 TR Bot; FDA Commissioner Califf sounds the alarm onhealthmisinformation | Association of Health Care Journalists
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08:32 TR News; "Why do I have so many "old" Apple computers, you ask? Because Apple builds exceptionally durable machines" http://flower.codes/2022/04/10/planned-obsolescence.html |
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08:32 TR Bot; ( status 308 @ http://flower.codes/2022/04/10/planned-obsolescence.html )
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08:32 TR News; "YouTube Go, an app providing offline video access, will be shutting down in August." https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/05/05/youtube-go-is-shutting-down/ | Source: Digital Music News
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08:32 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/05/05/youtube-go-is-shutting-down/ )
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08:34 TR News; "focus on the most meaningful experiences" https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/05/03/facebook-podcasts-shutting-down-in-june/ | Source: Digital Music News
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08:34 TR Bot; Facebook Is Abruptly Shutting Down Podcasts
08:34 TR News; "Real reason: MS had a deal in place with Novell to include some handling of Novell Netware client drive mappings." https://liam-on-linux.dreamwidth.org/83538.html |
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08:34 TR Bot; liam_on_linux | The real reason that the first version of Windows NT was called 3.1
08:35 TR News; "If we were to discuss simplicity only in the terms of overall size of the code, and define malware" https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28620 | Source: SANS
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08:35 TR Bot; InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center
08:35 TR News; "the phishing campaign was first detected in October" https://siliconangle.com/2022/05/04/uks-national-health-service-infected-massive-phishing-campaign/ | Source: Silicon Angle
08:35 TR Bot; National Health Service infected by massive phishing campaign - SiliconANGLE
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08:36 TR News; "But the rise of retail investigators raises civil liberties and privacy concerns, experts say." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/secret-surveillance-mining-customer-data-retailers-help-bag-shopliftin-rcna22259 | Source: NBC
08:36 TR Bot; Secret surveillance, mining customer data: How retailers help bag shoplifting kingpins
08:37 TR News; "Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not against the existence of smartphones" https://flower.codes/2022/05/02/i-hate-my-smartphone.html |
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08:37 TR Bot; Hate My Smartphone | flower.codes
08:37 TR News; "EU Commission will present an EU draft law on mandatory chat control" https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/chat-control-eu-commission-presents-mass-surveillance-plan-on-may-11/ | Source: Patrick Breyer
08:37 TR Bot; Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance plan on May 11 Patrick Breyer
08:37 TR News; "how authentication decisions will be made." https://restofworld.org/2022/where-anonymity-on-twitter-is-a-matter-of-life-or-death/ |
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08:37 TR Bot; Why Elon Musks ambition to have Twitter authenticate all real humans will get people killed - Rest of World
08:38 TR News; "Some improvement is possible in Passport without violating the system's goals of supporting unmodified browsers" https://www.cs.jhu.edu/~rubin/courses/sp03/papers/passport.pdf |
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08:42 TR News; "Divers like Sides take their roles as amateur investigators seriously." https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/youtube-scuba-diver-jeremy-sides-adventure-purpose-1340457/ | Source: Rolling Stone
08:43 TR Bot; YouTube Scuba Divers Are Solving Cold Cases --And Racking Up Views - Rolling Stone
08:43 TR News; Melinda "called Gates out for his relationship with Epstein" https://futurism.com/the-byte/bill-gates-jeffrey-epstein-bad-idea | Source: Futurism
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08:43 TR Bot; Bill Gates Says It Was a Bad Idea to Pal Around With Jeffrey Epstein
08:43 TR News; "A final decision on whether the men will be extradited now sits with Justice Minister Kris Faafoi" https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/127354588/final-supreme-court-ruling-clears-path-for-decision-on-kim-dotcom-extradition | Source: Suff NZ
08:43 TR Bot; Supreme Court ruling clears path for decision on Kim Dotcom extradition | Stuff.co.nz
08:43 TR News; "The judges don't always agree either" https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/empathy-critical-to-role-says-retiring-supreme-court-judge/DJ7PIKYBD6KRE4XMHOFKNLRGA4/ | Source: New Zealand Herald
08:43 TR Bot; Empathy 'critical' to role, says retiring Supreme Court judge - NZ Herald
08:44 TR News; "The arrests were on behalf of the FBI, which was carrying out a worldwide operation targeting Megaupload." https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/kim-dotcom-set-to-father-sixth-child-first-with-new-wife-liz/ZNVMUMTMOQVYVCPZ5EFO3HWPOI/ | Source: New Zealand Herald
08:44 TR Bot; Kim Dotcom set to father sixth child, first with new wife Liz - NZ Herald
08:44 TR News; "New footage has come out of the raid on Kim's home" https://www.businessinsider.com/new-footage-shows-just-how-crazy-the-kim-dotcom-raid-was-2012-8 | Source: Business Insider
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08:44 TR Bot; New Footage Shows Just How Crazy the Kim Dotcom Raid Was
08:45 TR News; "The raid was part of a worldwide FBI operation to take down Dotcom's Megaupload" https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/dotcom-wins-settlement-from-police-over-the-2012-dawn-raid-which-saw-him-arrested/2EGYXEM64SKGMYHJPZ23QNIRO4/ | Source: New Zealand Herald
08:45 TR Bot; Dotcom wins settlement from police over the 2012 dawn raid which saw him arrested - NZ Herald
08:45 TR News; "Usage on social media platforms hasnt necessarily slowed over time" (it DID!) https://variety.com/vip/social-media-slowdown-tests-investors-loyalty-1235259462/ | Source: Variety
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08:45 TR Bot; Media Slowdown Tests Investors' Loyalty - Variety
08:45 TR News; "Despite saying it was targeting only news outlets, the company deployed an algorithm for deciding what pages to take down" https://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-deliberately-caused-havoc-in-australia-to-influence-new-law-whistleblowers-say-11651768302 | Source: The Wall Street Journal
08:45 TR Bot; Deliberately Caused Havoc in Australia to Influence New Law, Whistleblowers Say - WSJ
08:46 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D582.jpg
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08:47 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D225.jpg
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08:47 TR News; So I Installed Arch on My Work Mac gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2022-05-07-so-i-installed-arch-on-my-work-mac.gmi
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08:48 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164600
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08:48 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
08:49 TR News; A Critique of Lagrange gemini://ainent.xyz/gemlog/2022-05-07-critique-of-lagrange.gmi "This is not a full review of Lagrange, but rather discussing one specific aspect of it. My intention here is to start a conversation."
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08:51 TR News; "Jokes can make us grimace and squirm as we laugh...or don't." https://text.npr.org/1097329698 | Source: NPR
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08:51 TR Bot; Opinion: For comedians, safety is a growing concern
08:51 TR News; "There was no text; no pictures; just an explanation." https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-journalists-flee-law-1.6397505 | Source: CBC
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08:51 TR Bot; 'Fake news' law forced many Russian journalists abroad. Those who remain must weigh truth against safety | CBC News
08:51 TR News; "The World Wide Web turned 33 last month" https://restofworld.org/2022/newsletter-south-asia-the-real-cost-of-internet-shutdowns-in-south-asia/ |
08:51 TR Bot; The real cost of internet shutdowns in South Asia - Rest of World
08:52 TR News; "This article is not about Julian Assange as a person" https://freedomnews.org.uk/2022/04/25/why-has-julian-assange-lost-in-the-high-court-where-lauri-love-won-and-what-could-this-mean-for-journalism/ |
08:52 TR Bot; Why has Julian Assange lost in the High Court, where Lauri Love won, and what could this mean for Journalism? Freedom News
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08:59 TR News; "In a sign that federal labor officials are closely scrutinizing management behavior during union campaigns" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/06/business/economy/nlrb-amazon-starbucks.html | Source: New York Times
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08:59 TR Bot; NLRB Finds Merit in Union Accusations Against Amazon and Starbucks - The New York Times
09:00 TR News; "The firings, which occurred outside the companys typical employee review cycle" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/06/technology/amazon-fires-managers-union-staten-island.html | Source: New York Times
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09:00 TR Bot; Amazon Fires Senior Managers Tied to Unionized Staten Island Warehouse - The New York Times
09:03 TR News; "As Wi-Fi is deployed more widely in cities, and perhaps at higher frequencies, it may depend on an abundant urban asset: streetlight poles." https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2022/05/wi-fi-may-be-coming-soon-lamppost-near-you More spying enabled "passively" (network scanning)
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09:03 TR Bot; Wi-Fi May Be Coming Soon to a Lamppost Near You | NIST
09:03 TR News; "Although Xbox seemed to resolve these problems, it looks like issues with its store, digital titles, and Cloud Gaming have started to resurface." https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/7/23061588/xbox-having-more-issues-affecting-cloud-gaming-digital-titles | Source: The Verge
09:03 TR Bot; An Xbox outage is preventing some players from launching digital titles - The Verge
09:04 TR News; Threat to privacy and not necessarily better security, either. Imperialistic agenda. https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/05/your-phone-may-soon-replace-many-of-your-passwords/ | Source: Krebs On Security
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09:04 TR Bot; Your Phone May Soon Replace Many of Your Passwords Krebs on Security
09:05 TR News; 'No Corporation That Breaks the Law Should Get a Federal Contract' https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/07/sanders-says-no-corporation-breaks-law-should-get-federal-contract | Source: Common Dreams http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
=> ↺ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/07/sanders-says-no-corporation-breaks-law-should-get-federal-contract
=> http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
09:05 TR Bot; Sanders Says 'No Corporation That Breaks the Law Should Get a Federal Contract'
09:05 TR Bot; The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
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09:13 TR News; "Large-scale pirate IPTV operations can generate significant profits but with that comes the chance of significant liability should things go bad." https://torrentfreak.com/iptv-pirate-agrees-to-pay-well-over-half-a-billion-dollars-in-damages-220507/ | Source: Torrent Freak
09:13 TR Bot; Pirate Agrees to Pay Well Over Half a Billion Dollars in Damages * TorrentFreak
09:16 TR News; Where we are, the Green Party has twice as many votes as Conservatives https://www.manchester.gov.uk/electionresults
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09:16 TR Bot; 5 May 2022 Local Election Results | The next election | Manchester City Council
09:20 TR News; "Starbucks has been saying that no union-busting ever occurred in Buffalo. Today, the NLRB sets the record straight." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/07/workers-say-nlrb-complaint-fully-unmasks-starbucks-facade-progressive-company | Source: Common Dreams
09:20 TR Bot; Workers Say NLRB Complaint "Fully Unmasks Starbucks' Facade as a Progressive Company"
09:21 TR News; "Trust me, you dont have to build your own keyboard from the deskpad up to be happy or feel like one of the cool kids." https://hackaday.com/2022/05/07/mods-make-a-stock-keyboard-your-own/ | Source: Hackaday
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09:21 TR Bot; Make A Stock Keyboard Your Own | Hackaday
09:21 TR News; "Theres no shortage of ESP32 development boards out there" https://hackaday.com/2022/05/07/bee-motion-combines-esp32-with-pir-sensor-and-usb-c/ | Source: Hackaday
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09:21 TR Bot; Motion Combines ESP32 With PIR Sensor And USB-C | Hackaday
09:26 TR News; >Wine Staging 7.8 Released with Improved Alt+Tab Handling for Unity Games http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164573#comment-33581
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09:26 TR Bot; Wine development release 7.8 is now available. | Tux Machines
09:27 TR News; Bash is not "Linux", sorry... https://medium.com/techtofreedom/5-types-of-expansions-on-linux-9de60e812119
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09:27 TR Bot; Types of Expansions on Linux. A small feature can make your life much | by Yang Zhou | TechToFreedom | May, 2022 | Medium
09:29 TR News; Tor 0.4.7 Stable Version Released - LinuxStoney https://linuxstoney.com/tor-0-4-7-stable-version-released/ Source: linuxstoney
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09:29 TR Bot; 0.4.7 Stable Version Released - LinuxStoney
09:29 TR News; Nextcloud Hub 24 automates data export and import - LinuxStoney https://linuxstoney.com/nextcloud-hub-24-automates-data-export-and-import/ Source: linuxstoney
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09:29 TR Bot; Hub 24 automates data export and import - LinuxStoney
09:29 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Saturday, May 07, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/08/irc-log-070522/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/08/irc-log-070522/
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09:29 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Saturday, May 07, 2022 | Techrights
09:31 TR News; "I'm watching paddington with my coworkers and its wild how much like a wes anderson film this is" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
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09:31 TR News; "I feel like I'm frequently 3-4 years behind on most mainstream media." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/929
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09:49 TR News; Counter-intuitive if you believe the buzzwords, but smart people would reject smartphones (based on actual information, not fashion and trends)
09:49 TR News; Proprietary Stuff and DRM Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164601
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09:49 TR Bot; Proprietary Stuff and DRM | Tux Machines
09:56 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164602
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09:56 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
09:56 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164603
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09:56 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
09:58 TR News; Links 08/05/2022: Nextcloud Hub 24 and Tor 0.4.7 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/08/tor-0-4-7/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/08/tor-0-4-7/
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09:58 TR Bot; Links 08/05/2022: Nextcloud Hub 24 and Tor 0.4.7 | Techrights
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11:17 TR News; Dillinger is a web-based feature-rich Markdown editor https://medevel.com/dillinger-markdown/
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11:17 TR Bot; Dillinger is a web-based feature-rich Markdown editor
11:19 TR News; "hledger is released under the GPL-3.0 License." https://medevel.com/hledger-web/
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11:19 TR Bot; HLedger Web is an outstanding personal accounting and money tracking system
11:19 TR News; "Jellyfin is an Opensource software which can handle all your media requirements by exposing them securely, allowing you to access anywhere as well as features like metadata fetch, transcoding, user access." https://unixcop.com/deploy-jellyfin-on-docker/
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11:19 TR Bot; Deploy Jellyfin on Docker - Unix / Linux the admins Tutorials
11:21 TR News; I'm going to stop linking to any AWS howtos. AWS isn't our friend (or enemy of enemy), and it has made that increasingly clear in recent years http://techrights.org/2020/06/10/the-bezos-leaning-ploy/
=> http://techrights.org/2020/06/10/the-bezos-leaning-ploy/
11:21 TR Bot; AWS is Not GNU/Linux and AWS Certification is a Bezos-Leaning Ploy That Rewards People for Memorising Proprietary Interfaces (Vendor Lock-in) | Techrights
11:22 TR News; "It is a simple easy to use contact manager and address box solution, written with Python and Django." https://medevel.com/contact-otter/
=> ↺ https://medevel.com/contact-otter/
11:22 TR Bot; Contact Otter is your personal free, CRM and contact manager
11:23 TR News; Vista 11 is universally rejected https://linuxgizmos.com/din-rail-pc-with-four-2-5gbe-lan-dual-display-and-pcie-x4-slot/
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11:23 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/din-rail-pc-with-four-2-5gbe-lan-dual-display-and-pcie-x4-slot/ )
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12:03 TR News; On the Cusp of Widespread Adoption of GNU/Linux in More Countries | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/08/china-and-edge-of-change-gnu-linux-policies/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/08/china-and-edge-of-change-gnu-linux-policies/
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12:03 TR Bot; On the Cusp of Widespread Adoption of GNU/Linux in More Countries | Techrights
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13:02 bnchs; i'm migrating to artix linux
13:02 bnchs; WHILE having an IRC client
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13:39 TR News; Debian is Not Defending Volunteers by SLAPPing Other Volunteers, It Just Tarnishes the Communitys Reputation and Brand | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/08/debian-slapping-volunteers/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/08/debian-slapping-volunteers/
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13:39 TR Bot; Debian is Not Defending Volunteers by SLAPPing Other Volunteers, It Just Tarnishes the Communitys Reputation and Brand | Techrights
13:40 TR News; Debian is Not Defending Volunteers by SLAPPing Other Volunteers, It Just Tarnishes the Communitys Reputation and Brand | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/08/debian-slapping-volunteers/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/08/debian-slapping-volunteers/
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13:47 TR News; [PULL] drm-intel-next - Jani Nikula https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/87bkwbkkdo.fsf@intel.com/ Source: intel
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13:47 TR Bot; [PULL] drm-intel-next - Jani Nikula
13:48 TR News; Add thermal daemon skeleton https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/thermal/linux.git/commit/?h=thermal/linux-next&id=c07a7c8dbcd8e0e31446f10235108aef1f6d03ce
13:48 TR Bot; kernel/git/thermal/linux.git - Thermal group
13:49 TR News; radv: minor RT opts, allow LBVH on GFX6+ (!16203) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/16203 Source: gitlab
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13:49 TR Bot; radv: minor RT opts, allow LBVH on GFX6+ (!16203) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
13:49 TR News; It looks like China may soon migrate 50 million PCs to GNU/Linux, according to the corporate media controlled by an American oligarch http://techrights.org/2022/05/08/china-and-edge-of-change-gnu-linux-policies/
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13:50 TR News; Volunteers of Debian face an unwelcoming gesture not because of critics online but because it seems clear that Debian leadership misuses very limited Debian funds to SLAPP disgruntled volunteers; the project is not in good hands and this needs to be corrected before it gets yet worse http://techrights.org/2022/05/08/debian-slapping-volunteers/
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13:52 TR News; Save the date - Deutscher Perl/Raku Workshop 2023 in Frankfurt am Main - 27.02.2023-1.03.2023 http://blogs.perl.org/users/max_maischein/2022/05/save-the-date---deutscher-perlraku-workshop-2023-in-frankfurt-am-main---27022023-1032023.html
13:52 TR Bot; the date - Deutscher Perl/Raku Workshop 2023 in Frankfurt am Main - 27.02.2023-1.03.2023 | Max Maischein [blogs.perl.org]
13:53 TR News; revealJS is an open-source presentation framework https://medevel.com/revealjs/
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13:53 TR Bot; revealJS is an open-source presentation framework
13:53 TR News; "This month I accepted 186 and rejected 26 packages. The overall number of packages that got accepted was 188." http://blog.alteholz.eu/2022/05/my-debian-activities-in-april-2022/
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13:53 TR Bot; Debian Activities in April 2022 blog.alteholz.eu
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13:55 TR News; Canaan K510 CRB RISC-V AI development kit ships with dual-camera module and LCD display - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/05/08/canaan-k510-crb-risc-v-ai-development-kit-ships-with-dual-camera-module-and-lcd-display/ Source: Linux | GNU | Hardware | cnxsoftware
13:55 TR Bot; Canaan K510 CRB RISC-V AI development kit ships with dual-camera module and LCD display - CNX Software
13:58 TR News; Applications: Jellyfin, hledger, Contact Otter, and Dillinger Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164604
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13:58 TR Bot; Applications: Jellyfin, hledger, Contact Otter, and Dillinger | Tux Machines
13:59 TR News; platform/x86: thinkpad_acpi: Add a s2idle resume quirk for a number of laptops https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/pdx86/platform-drivers-x86.git/commit/?h=fixes&id=455cd867b85b53fd3602345f9b8a8facc551adc9
13:59 TR Bot; kernel/git/pdx86/platform-drivers-x86.git - Linux x86 platform drivers tree
14:00 TR News; KDE Plasma 5.25: Top New Features and Release Details https://www.debugpoint.com/2022/05/kde-plasma-5-25/
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14:00 TR Bot; reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.debugpoint.com/2022/05/kde-plasma-5-25/ )
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14:03 TR News; "Magda is released under the Apache-2.0 License" https://medevel.com/magda-bigdata/
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14:03 TR Bot; Magda is an open-source Big Data cataloging system
14:05 TR News; KDE Plasma 5.25: Top New Features and Release Details Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164605
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14:05 TR Bot; KDE Plasma 5.25: Top New Features and Release Details | Tux Machines
14:15 TR News; There is no such thing as "IP"; they just try to combined totally different things, based on lobbyists' suggestions https://www.managingip.com/article/b1xw0p5jxlvjtf/inta-2022-office-heads-tout-pros-of-unified-ip-agencies
14:15 TR Bot; INTA 2022: Office heads tout pros of unified IP agencies | Managing Intellectual Property
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14:17 TR News; There is no such thing as "Europes patent community"; those are parasites and this piece is lobbying disguised as journalist, citing "tweets" https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/legal-commentary/the-cjeu-has-clarified-pi-case-law-for-europes-judges/
14:17 TR Bot; "The CJEU has clarified PI case law for Europe's judges" - JUVE Patent
14:18 TR News; Konstanze Richter speaks of "the impending UPC" even though it's neither legal nor certain
14:20 TR News; More ads/spam disguised as reporting; this publisher profits from promotion of law firms that sue with patents, so there's a conflict of interest, to https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/people-and-business/joachim-feldges-passes-baton-in-allen-overys-patent-team/
14:20 TR Bot; After Feldges: Allen & Overy's patent team secures succession - JUVE Patent
14:21 TR News; Mathieu Klos speaks of "the potential UPC" without noting that it is illegal
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14:22 TR News; PATROLL aims to shatter records in 2022 https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/5/4/patroll-aims-to-shatter-records-in-2022 they squash fake patents. That's good.
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14:22 TR Bot; PATROLL aims to shatter records in 2022 Unified Patents
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14:23 TR News; "But with more than a year since Director Iancu stepped down from the USPTO, Fintiv and 314(a) denials have plummeted dramatically." https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/5/2/ptab-discretionary-denials-fall-board-time-spent-on-issue-rises http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Andrei_Iancu
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14:23 TR Bot; PTAB Discretionary Denials Fall; Board Time Spent on Issue Rises Unified Patents
14:23 TR Bot; Andrei Iancu - Techrights
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14:24 TR News; "resulted in claims 110, 1322, and 2534 of U.S. Patent 9,553,880 being found unpatentable" https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/28/b-on-demand-voluntarily-dismissed-own-fed-circuit-appeal
14:24 TR Bot; B# On Demand abandons own Federal Circuit appeal Unified Patents
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15:10 TR News; The Charade of Fake News and Lobbying (Based on Lies) by Team UPC | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/08/team-upc-disinformation/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/08/team-upc-disinformation/
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15:10 TR Bot; The Charade of Fake News and Lobbying (Based on Lies) by Team UPC | Techrights
15:34 MinceR; (cat) https://i.imgur.com/CMr6vme.jpeg
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15:35 matey; Summary: Volunteers of Debian face an unwelcoming gesture not because of critics online but because it seems clear that Debian leadership misuses very limited Debian funds to SLAPP disgruntled volunteers; the project is not in good hands and this needs to be corrected before it gets yet worse
15:36 matey; "the project is not in good hands and this needs to be corrected before it gets yet worse" so um, some time between 2014 and now, then?
15:36 matey; 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019,
15:36 matey; 2020, 2021, 2022...
15:37 matey; "and this needs to be corrected" what, no "debian will be gone" as the solution? (github, ibm, microsoft, mozilla)
15:37 matey; but waiting for hell to close is always the solution
15:37 matey; "sorry people, hell is full"
15:37 matey; "youll just have to go somewhere else"
15:38 matey; im open to solutions if anybody has one
15:38 matey; my guess is the solution is waiting another 7 or 8 years for debian to stop being a bunch of cunts
15:38 matey; good luck with that
15:39 matey; maybe it will become the universally loathed distro
15:39 matey; its practically ubuntu now anyway
15:40 matey; "fedora lite"
15:40 matey; distros were better when there were still distros
15:41 matey; and not just package repos for systemd
15:41 matey; my question is: if debians real job is to peddle a pile of shit
15:42 matey; who do you EXPECT to do that, EXCEPT a bunch of cunts?
15:42 matey; who else would even take the job?
15:42 bnchs; i migrated to artix
15:42 bnchs; specifically openrc
15:43 matey; that was fast
15:43 matey; not sarcasm-- didnt you announce your intent like 48 hours ago?
15:43 bnchs; [12:57:09] i'm migrating to artix linux
15:44 bnchs; the guide wasn't straightforward
15:44 bnchs; i had to change a few commands
15:45 bnchs; hey at least it actually shutdowns faster
15:45 bnchs; rather than ending with 3000 kauditd callbacks
15:45 matey; /me doesnt even know what kauditd is
15:45 matey; oh
15:45 matey; k audit d
15:46 matey; stupid "init"
15:46 bnchs; and complaining about systemd-homed not existing
15:46 matey; please wait while systemd performs kernel updates
15:46 matey; do not shut off your computer.
15:48 matey; immediate knee jerk when systemd inevitably implements windows-style mandatory updates and people complain:
15:48 matey; there are plenty of distros you can use without systemd
15:48 bnchs; i'm not done with the transition yet
15:49 matey; you can compile it without the mandatory updates option
15:49 MinceR; they had better hurry up if they want to use that knee jerk
15:49 matey; do you think running out of date kernels is a good idea?
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16:05 MinceR; (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypn3Fe_PLts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0c7wcpJslg
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16:05 TR Bot; https://y.com.sb/watch?v=ypn3Fe_PLts
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16:05 TR Bot; y.com.sb | Yellowstone Won't Explode And End Civilisation (Sorry) | The Deep Dive - Invidious
16:05 TR Bot; https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=v0c7wcpJslg
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16:05 TR Bot; invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | You Dont Need to Worry About Yellowstone (or Any Other Supervolcano) - Invidious
16:09 XRevan86; MinceR: Come on, Russian TV promised me this like years ago.
16:09 MinceR; :>
16:10 XRevan86; They never follow through.
16:10 MinceR; don't worry, volcano or no volcano, humans will take care of exterminating themselves
16:12 matey; /me isnt surprised mincer is so cynical after what happened to the revolution in hungary
16:12 matey; and the state of things there today
16:13 MinceR; all our revolutions were pointless
16:13 matey; though people do have a habit of projecting the state of their country onto the rest of the world
16:13 matey; well, i dont know of anyone that fought more tenaciously than the hungarians
16:13 MinceR; why fight for freedom and independence if the majority just goes and decides they want to live in a dictatorship ruled by terrorussia in 2010?
16:13 matey; so i can understand the cynicism now
16:13 XRevan86; Over the years my disagreement with MinceR on this went from categorical disagreement to a shrug.
16:14 matey; cynicism is a useful point of view for some things
16:14 matey; underrated in my opinion
16:14 XRevan86; My view on the world has gotten very bleak.
16:14 matey; and like anything else, it has its limist
16:14 matey; a bit like my typing
16:14 XRevan86; And yes, it is projecting the state of my country.
16:14 matey; why fight for freedom and independence if the majority just goes and decides they want to live in a dictatorship <- because people do get tired of it
16:14 matey; but when they miss windows of opportunity it costs them decades
16:15 matey; and half a revolution is ultimately like none at all
16:15 matey; reform will never work
16:15 matey; revolution (debatably) hasnt yet
16:15 matey; if you dont believe in either of those, humanity has nothing to hope for
16:15 XRevan86; matey: Half-revolutions can still be progress.
16:16 XRevan86; matey: Like what's happening in Kazakhstan.
16:16 matey; a half revolution will be destroyed by counterrevolution
16:16 matey; its worth fighting of course
16:16 XRevan86; The cult of Nazarbayev's personality is dying out.
16:16 matey; because if it turns into a full revolution, then half is a good start
16:16 matey; its just that half a revolution isnt enough to sustain itself
16:17 matey; well im more optimistic than mincer. thats not hard.
16:17 XRevan86; Even though the revolution was squashed, the effort still changed the political balance of power.
16:17 matey; hes literally the most cynical person i know
16:17 matey; and to make matters worse, hes right about many things
16:18 matey; Even though the revolution was squashed <- the one thing about half a revolution that really serves the future long term is
16:18 matey; it provides lessons (both happy and unhappy) for future efforts
16:18 matey; half a revolution is a mix of victory and failure
16:18 matey; we can learn from both
16:19 matey; the cynic cant learn from victory
16:19 matey; they see it as only failure
16:19 matey; failure is a hard lesson-- death, torture, slavery
16:20 matey; all the worst aspects of mankind
16:20 matey; all the best things to fight
16:22 matey; i have no idea how the people driving these things have their ears still attached to their heads
16:22 matey; ive lost most of my hearing for at least 20 minutes (decades ago)
16:22 XRevan86; matey: I don't really see the world in the revolution/counterrevolution light. What I see is political powers' mobility, accountability, rotation.
16:23 matey; everything that has happened to free software for the past 20 years is revolution/counterrevolution, mostly the latter
16:23 matey; my associate calls it the free software thermidor
16:23 XRevan86; Basically, the way I see it, counter-revolution is just bound to happen if the people in power work the political system in such a way that they will just have it unconditionally.
16:23 XRevan86; Erosion of the political process, corruption, et al.
16:24 matey; counter-revolution is just bound to happen <- this much i agree with
16:24 matey; Erosion of the political process, corruption, et al. <- yes
16:25 matey; even russia had two revolutions (the second being the october) before it took
16:25 matey; lenins health failed, stalin got in, we know how that worked out
16:26 matey; the funny thing was, stalin never had the ambition to do the horrible things he did
16:26 matey; he only sought to be in charge
16:26 matey; once he gained power, he held onto that so tightly that he was willing to murder anyone who opposed it
16:26 matey; he was batshit insane
16:26 matey; finally they killed him for it
16:27 XRevan86; matey: The ugly thing is that the Us-Them traitor mentality was there even before Stalin got in charge.
16:27 matey; sure
16:27 matey; but false/forced unity doesnt solve that
16:27 XRevan86; So the poison was there.
16:27 matey; let me make sure i dont misunderstand your point about this
16:28 matey; you dont think the concept of a traitor is entirely useless or counterproductive?
16:28 matey; we would agree either way im sure, that the notion can be abused, taken advantage of opportunistically (and often is)
16:28 matey; but thats not my question
16:29 XRevan86; matey: I think that the Soviet Russia was built on undermining people who disagreed, and then on the Civil War, and that created a very unhealthy dynamic.
16:29 matey; labelling opponents as traitors is completely unoriginal
16:29 XRevan86; And then Stalin rode that wave and made it an absolute.
16:29 matey; I think that the Soviet Russia was built on undermining people who disagreed <- this i would agree, created a situation ripe for stalin, yes
16:30 matey; lenin said "you want obedience? youll have obedient fools!"
16:30 XRevan86; But I'd still fault Stalin for Stalin in the same fashion as I fault Putin for Putin.
16:30 matey; of course
16:30 matey; you have to work pretty hard to be the worst.
16:31 XRevan86; Putin's Russia is an extension of Yeltsin's Russia, and all the vices of the latter allowed the former to come to this world.
16:32 matey; you think putin is an alcoholic?
16:32 XRevan86; matey: I meant vices like legalised thuggery.
16:32 matey; that makes more sense
16:32 XRevan86; Oligarchy, et al.
16:32 matey; of course
16:34 XRevan86; And Putin is a product of the Russia's 90s much more than he's a product of KGB even.
16:35 matey; supervillains often have interesting (if cliched) origin stories
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16:38 activelow; found one wrongdoer, who changed permissions of (bsd) tty device nodes...
16:39 MinceR; https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/stages https://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/165133416420220430after.png
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16:39 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Stages
16:40 activelow; rather concerning, given ... see what dtach/dvtm could do, if some tty dev node permissions allow
16:41 activelow; kernel unix98 style tty device nodes, udev etc... complicate this further
16:42 activelow; bsd-style pty device node management, at least, handover control back to the administrator
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16:43 activelow; yet, if any daemon with root privileges mis-behaves, tty device nodes with mode 666 are dangling
16:44 activelow; if then, any ordinar user grabs such a tty node the terminal session exposes read-write permissions to everyone on the system
16:46 activelow; digging into dvtm terminal multiplexer sources raised even more concerns
16:47 activelow; at, least, what i got now, with a terminal session managed by dvtm, is notifications when a session was handed over to another client/ssh-connect/login, and session-detach timeout
16:49 activelow; and tty device node ownership and permissions are statically set chown/chmod once during system-boot, by the admininistrator, which is me
16:49 activelow; not kernel, not udev, not systemd...
16:50 activelow; and i wouldn't trust openpty()/forkpty()/grantpt() etc.., regardless who implemented it, linux kernel or *bsd
16:52 activelow; openbsd implemented wscons, the other *bsd do openpty() nowadays, seems only linux kernel offers the traditional bsd pty
16:53 activelow; another minor benefit of statically managed bsd pty device nodes; by chown/chmod to a dedicated user/group, the administrator can decide who and how many pseudo terminals are available to anyone, such as ssh sessions
16:54 activelow; so, i rather live with the limitations of pre-Unix98 pty than any openpty() implementation
16:55 activelow; which reminds me of the dispute Alan Cox resigned over... which was a race-condition issue withing kernel pty handling...
16:55 activelow; besides, i do not trust any of the dynamic device node management such as udev/mdev etc... i removed this entirely
16:56 activelow; again, i rather live with the disadvantages of this, such as de-reattaching a usb sound or video device requires a sudo root chown of such nodes
16:57 activelow; maybe, i will re-integrate some suckless.org device node manager, certainly not any udev implementation of it
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.75 k/sec., IPFS upstream 66.31 average k/sec., average swarm size 416.58
17:13 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164606
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17:13 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
17:19 MinceR; https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/normal https://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/165150918120220502after.png
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17:19 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Normal
17:43 schestowitz; [17:39] is using lies about the UPC illegal or has the UPC become invalid/illegal itself?
17:43 schestowitz; [17:39] yes some reinforcement of that can be added into the article
17:43 schestowitz; [17:39] lies can be a violation in the legal profession
17:43 schestowitz; [17:39] I think they have commitments
17:43 schestowitz; [17:39] and I think calling them out on it
17:43 schestowitz; [17:39] helps to silence them
17:43 schestowitz; [17:39] they don't want to get caught
18:02 TR News; UPC: A Neo-colonialist Plot | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/08/unitary-patent-system-neo-colonialist-plot/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/08/unitary-patent-system-neo-colonialist-plot/
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18:02 TR Bot; UPC: A Neo-colonialist Plot | Techrights
18:05 matey; Dishonesty, on the other hand, is regarded as an extremely serious matter and will almost certainly result in a referral to the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal and will, if it is proven, almost invariably result in a striking off.
18:05 matey; https://www.lawyersdefencegroup.org.uk/our-services/conduct-and-regulatory-issues/misconduct-and-dishonesty/
18:05 TR Bot; Misconduct and Dishonesty - Lawyers Defence Group
18:06 matey; anyones guess what the difference between theory, claims and practice are here
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18:33 schestowitz; http://fussellcharles.com
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18:33 schestowitz; II did a video today about this SLAPPstick
18:33 TR Bot; Fussell Charles & Jonathan Cohen & Debian Embezzlement
18:35 TR News; Renewing tuaxmachines domain until 2027 when it turns 23!
18:36 TR News; 7 Top Free and Open Source Crystal Web Frameworks Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164607
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18:36 TR Bot; 7 Top Free and Open Source Crystal Web Frameworks | Tux Machines
18:36 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164608
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18:36 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
18:52 activelow; console mouse support for text applications, such as w3m (no blame towards this)...
18:52 activelow; another giant f***up
18:55 activelow; either terminal lacks capabilities, or termcaps are not exposed by terminfo, or the individual application becomes confused about termcaps and how to handle them
18:57 activelow; the simplest test case being on linux console (without X11); gpm started; TERM=linux w3m -o use_mouse=true $url
18:57 activelow; guess what...
18:58 activelow; within X11 at least TERM=xterm w3m does enable mouse support as it should be... yet x11/xterm won't be the main environment here, certainly not
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 17.20 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.01 average k/sec., average swarm size 507.60
19:00 activelow; the linux console/gpm mouse bug with w3m was reported year 2006 already ...
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19:14 MinceR; (cat) https://i.imgur.com/4lduSgO.jpeg
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19:25 DaemonFC; Basically, the way I see it, counter-revolution is just bound to happen if the people in power work the political system in such a way that they will just have it unconditionally.
19:25 XRevan86; A bit clunky wording, I know.
19:25 DaemonFC; Well, Putin could be setting Russia up for another revolution. One of the things that was stopping it was that he could turn the military on them if they tried.
19:26 DaemonFC; But he's rapidly throwing away pretty much all their military equipment in Ukraine.
19:26 XRevan86; So far Putin's been able to squash every protest movement without using any military.
19:27 DaemonFC; It's interesting that the police are fine with being paid in Rubles.
19:27 DaemonFC; Maybe that will change.
19:28 XRevan86; So far it's been the police, the National Guard and the groupings like the "Cossacks"
19:28 DaemonFC; The list of equipment lost in Ukraine is growing by the day.
19:28 DaemonFC; It's already quite large.
19:29 DaemonFC; I admit I was sitting here laughing pretty hard about the Moskva sinking.
19:29 DaemonFC; Then the US government like "Yeah, we told Ukraine how to target it, but hey it was their decision to blow it up, so....".
19:30 XRevan86; DaemonFC: There's something iffy going on here, they stated that they didn't do that.
19:30 DaemonFC; This is by far the most effective campaign of harassment the United States has ever waged against Russia.
19:30 DaemonFC; The Republicans were bragging about Afghanistan and the Stingers.
19:32 DaemonFC; The US military, Congress, and the CIA see the investment as worth every penny.
19:32 XRevan86; https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/05/06/pentagon-denies-helping-ukraine-sink-moskva-a77600 https://nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/biden-told-officials-media-reports-us-intel-sharing-ukraine-are-counte-rcna27738
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19:32 TR Bot; Pentagon Denies Helping Ukraine Sink Moskva - The Moscow Times
19:32 TR Bot; Biden told officials media reports about U.S. intel sharing with Ukraine are counterproductive
19:32 DaemonFC; For a few billion dollars, there's a graveyard of destroyed Russian equipment and ships.
19:33 DaemonFC; And we got to find out that the Russian military's most advanced tanks really aren't that effective against our Javelin system.
19:34 DaemonFC; And at this rate, in just 90 days, there will be more than twice as many dead Russian soldiers in Ukraine than died in the entire campaign in Afghanistan.
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19:34 DaemonFC; They're retreating from Kharkiv and blowing up bridges, afraid that the Ukrainian military will follow them as they retreat.
19:34 XRevan86; DaemonFC: Per Ukraine's claims it's already way above that.
19:35 DaemonFC; Putin has turned to screaming at his generals (the ones that haven't been picked off yet) and threatening purges.
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19:36 XRevan86; But even if they're overblowing it, the genuine number will still have to be at least close to 15k.
19:36 DaemonFC; MinceR, I think Putin would have purged the generals except they had like 50 of them when they went into this and now he'd have to pick one of the five to blame.
19:36 DaemonFC; B-)
19:37 XRevan86; DaemonFC: He can't openly purge anyone.
19:37 XRevan86; Because that would be admitting that something went seriously wrong.
19:37 XRevan86; But as we know, everything is going according to plan.
19:37 DaemonFC; Well, he'll have to retire one of them due to sudden issues with their health.
19:37 DaemonFC; It's funny how Ricin can do that.
19:38 XRevan86; That can only be done once or twice though.
19:38 DaemonFC; Maybe one day for no particular reason, they'll start walking out of windows.
19:39 XRevan86; As far as I can tell, Putin is doing what he does best: he relieves people of duty in the back-stage informal government, while keeping their formal posts.
19:39 XRevan86; Putin is not a man of formalities.
19:40 DaemonFC; So he'll keep them around as a figurehead and then just relay decisions someone else makes?
19:40 XRevan86; DaemonFC: Yes.
19:40 MinceR; familiar
19:40 MinceR; that's what orban had kasler do after he proved himself incompetent even by fideath standards
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19:41 chicksahoy; prurigro: hiya
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19:46 XRevan86; DaemonFC: Regarding the number of death, there's a big nasty catch: Russian's army is very mixed, and not everyone who died is, strictly speaking, part of the army, the National Guard was sent to Ukraine in the early days of the invasion, and they were by large just massacred. Then there are the PMC's and the armies of the quasi-republics L/DPR. All in all not every loss is counted the same by Russia.
19:50 XRevan86; The Ministry of *fence of Russia made a response in kind (kind of) and said that Ukraine lost 23k people from the army, National Guard, "foreign mercenaries" and other militarised groups (probably Terorobona).
19:50 MinceR; *fence :D
19:50 XRevan86; The way I see it, they included everyone who came even close to being a partisan and got killed in there.
19:51 XRevan86; Maybe even a perceived partisan, who's going to check?
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19:53 XRevan86; "Teroborona" <- "Territorial Defence Forces" of Ukraine
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19:57 MinceR; https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/pain-3
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19:57 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Pain
19:58 XRevan86; Tomorrow will be an exhausting day information-wise.
19:59 MinceR; maybe disinformation-wise :>
19:59 XRevan86; All kinds.
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20:02 TR News; New release of Tiny Core Linux "v13.1 ...A few minor updates ... See System Announcement in the support forum for detailed change log and update notes." http://www.tinycorelinux.net/
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20:02 TR Bot; Tiny Core Linux, Micro Core Linux, 12MB Linux GUI Desktop, Live, Frugal, Extendable
20:02 XRevan86; Potentially something nasty will be announced, hard to predict with certainty.
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20:06 TR News; How open source leads the way for sustainable technology | https://opensource.com/article/22/5/open-source-sustainable-technology Source: FreeSW | RedHat | IBM | GNU | Linux
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20:06 TR Bot; open source leads the way for sustainable technology | Opensource.com
20:07 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164609
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20:07 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
20:07 TR News; drm/rockchip: Add VOP2 driver https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next.git/commit/?id=604be85547ce4d61b89292d2f9a78c721b778c16
20:07 TR Bot; kernel/git/next/linux-next.git - The linux-next integration testing tree
20:09 TR News; 20 Best Linux Media Server Distros & Software for Your Home Theater PC Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164610
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20:09 TR Bot; 20 Best Linux Media Server Distros & Software for Your Home Theater PC | Tux Machines
20:12 TR News; The Two-Dimensional Political Compass is an Insult gemini://malinfreeborn.com/gen/political_dimensions.gmi
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20:13 TR News; E-mails Aren't Really Letters gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-05-08-e-mails-aren-t-really-letters.gmi
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20:15 TR News; Linux going in a bad direction because GAFAM insists on it https://linuxstoney.com/the-sixth-version-of-patches-for-the-linux-kernel-with-support-for-the-rust-language/
20:15 TR Bot; sixth version of patches for the Linux kernel with support for the Rust language - LinuxStoney
20:16 TR News; PS4/Switch/Vita/Linux Release - pEMU 6.0 (NES/SNES/Sega/Arcade emulator suite) - Wololo.net https://wololo.net/2022/05/06/ps4-switch-vita-linux-release-pemu-6-0-nes-snes-sega-arcade-emulator-suite/ Source: wololo
20:16 TR Bot; Release - pEMU 6.0 (NES/SNES/Sega/Arcade emulator suite) - Wololo.net
20:16 XRevan86; General mobilisation is considered to be unlikely at this point (but never ruled out), but there's also a chance for some kind of conditional mobilisation.
20:17 TR News; The EPO is harming the European Union because its handlers try to ratify an illegal system under the guise of unity http://techrights.org/2022/05/08/unitary-patent-system-neo-colonialist-plot/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/05/08/unitary-patent-system-neo-colonialist-plot/
20:17 TR Bot; UPC: A Neo-colonialist Plot | Techrights
20:17 TR News; EPO President Antnio Campinos has reached the "let me through!" or the "let me in!" moment (like Lukashenko 2 years ago) http://techrights.org/2022/05/08/epo-president-video/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/05/08/epo-president-video/
20:17 TR Bot; [Meme] He is the EPOs President | Techrights
20:18 XRevan86; Another thing that can happen is an announcement regarding the fate of the currently occupied territories, like another quasi-republic, or an agglomeration of all the *PR's into one big PR, or direct annexation into Russia.
20:18 TR News; The EPOs replace-courts-with-kangaroo-courts project is based on lies, disinformation (worse than misinformation), fabrication, and glorification of illegal actions, overt violations of constitutions, conventions being ignored, court-rigging, and even habitual perjury http://techrights.org/2022/05/08/team-upc-disinformation/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/05/08/team-upc-disinformation/
20:18 TR Bot; The Charade of Fake News and Lobbying (Based on Lies) by Team UPC | Techrights
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20:32 bnchs; wtf is pEMU
20:33 bnchs; here's the bullshit about PlayStation, if you don't give the console an internet connection, and you play one of the games you licensed from their online store
20:33 bnchs; it will suspend your game after 15 minutes if it can't vaildate the license
20:33 bnchs; i mean the game*
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20:34 bnchs; and you have to pay for game licenses PER ACCOUNT
20:34 bnchs; not the entire console anymore
20:41 activelow; w3m and gpm mouse simply isn't implemented for no-X11 outside xterm
20:44 *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@4ib67bpjevnsu.irc) has joined #techrights
20:44 psydroid2; "Welcome to the World of Warcraft"
20:44 psydroid2; war on end users
20:44 bnchs; one thing i noticed about systemd and openrc
20:45 bnchs; openrc has cleaner interface names
20:45 bnchs; eth0 vs eno1
20:45 bnchs; wlan0 vs wlp5s0
20:45 bnchs; systemd INTENTIONALLY renames interfaces to these garbage
20:52 XRevan86; bnchs: This is on udev.
20:54 XRevan86; bnchs: And Gentoo is moving away from eudev, so the default will likely change as well.
20:54 XRevan86; bnchs: Oh wait, I just stumbled upon https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/sys-fs/eudev/eudev-3.2.11-r2.ebuild#n55
=> ↺ https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/sys-fs/eudev/eudev-3.2.11-r2.ebuild#n55
20:55 TR Bot; eudev-3.2.11-r2.ebuild eudev sys-fs - repo/gentoo.git - Official Gentoo ebuild repository
20:55 XRevan86; bnchs: Are ye sure ye didn't just disable this on the OpenRC-based system?
20:58 psydroid2; device specific names make sense on some level, but it should be a choice the sysadmin makes
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.21 k/sec., IPFS upstream 81.96 average k/sec., average swarm size 552.18
20:59 XRevan86; psydroid2: Seems like bnchs made this choice and then has forgotten :).
21:00 psydroid2; XRevan86, I think many (or all) systemd distributions enable this by default :)
21:01 XRevan86; psydroid2: Check the link, it says that eudev enables it by default as well.
21:01 activelow; non-systemd systems almost always use a udev implementation too
21:02 activelow; a linux system doesn't need any udev; it is a few lines of chmod/chown during system boot and all permissions match, including x11/libdrm/audio etc
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21:02 XRevan86; Yes. Unless bnchs somehow dodges udev altogether, it's more likely that he just got the warning from portage and axed it off immediately, and then forgot.
21:03 activelow; problem is, if devices are re-attached dynamically... to act upon such events to re/set permissions, which i remain sceptical with udev
21:04 XRevan86; "a linux system doesn't need any udev" <- That's a bold statement.
21:04 activelow; evdev sucks too, Xorg switched input device drivers to evdev ones... i rolled-back this change here...
21:05 activelow; i don't trust evedv; udev/evdev, this is systemd even when openrc is the init process
21:06 activelow; meaning, replacing systemd init with openrc does NOT remove all the systemd clutter, in fact some of the worst parts remain even with openrc/eudev
21:07 activelow; XRevan86: sure, with udev/evdev removed, this has some disadvantages
21:08 XRevan86; Just some.
21:08 activelow; nonetheless, the typical argument X11/GTK required any of this is wrong, i got X11/GTK here, with all the clutter removed
21:08 activelow; although, i did fully wipe GTK recently, too i will wipe X11, for other reasons then their poisoning with systemd-clutter
21:09 activelow; for those who want to, suckless.org suggests some simple device node manager, which is good enough, and is less than 1% the lines of code produced elsewhere
21:30 bnchs; XRevan86, i am not a gentooer
21:30 bnchs; i am a artix
21:31 bnchs; arch linux had this problem
21:31 bnchs; before i switched to artix
21:31 bnchs; also i was /AWAY
21:32 SomeH4x0r; wb
21:33 bnchs; also i didn't have a choice, and i didn't even change something remotely to the interface names
21:36 DaemonFC; Ukraine plunged into war. Stock market in free fall. Business Insider be like: "I'm a Brit and the color of American macaroni and cheese upset me!"
21:36 DaemonFC; schestowitz, ^
21:41 DaemonFC; "My husband is watching movies I already have on Blu Ray, but they are on some stupid Amazon stick where Kevin Hart is screaming about credit cards every few minutes.
21:41 DaemonFC; :/ What have I done?"
21:59 DaemonFC; I have some Blu Rays because they turn up cheap at the thrift stores.
21:59 DaemonFC; Their pricing is really hit or miss.
22:00 DaemonFC; Like you can get 7 DVDs for a dollar now. A dollar! One dollar! Gets you 7 DVDs.
22:00 DaemonFC; I remember when these came out and they were selling players for $500 and movies for $35, per disc, in the 1990s!
22:01 DaemonFC; They could get away with that easily back then because nobody had the established infrastructure to just dump the discs and share them on BitTorrent.
22:02 DaemonFC; Mom asked me what I was doing and I said I finally got around to getting Frost/Nixon.
22:03 DaemonFC; The Eleventh Doctor told Nixon "Say hi to David Frost for me.".
22:03 DaemonFC; I was imitating Nixon. "I'm saying that when the president does it, it's not illegal! I am not a crook! I've earned everything I've got!".
22:04 DaemonFC; MinceR, I was doing that with a pair of lobsters one day.
22:04 DaemonFC; Tossing them back and forth (they were frozen) so their claws would swing around, before I threw them in the water.
22:04 DaemonFC; "I am not a crook! I am not a crook!"
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22:17 TR News; Free software dev in France https://blog.jabberhead.tk/2022/05/08/europe-trip-journal-entry-6-laundry-day/
=> ↺ https://blog.jabberhead.tk/2022/05/08/europe-trip-journal-entry-6-laundry-day/
22:17 TR Bot; Europe Trip Journal Entry 6: Laundry Day vanitasvitae's blog
22:18 TR News; On forms of apparent progress https://blogs.fsfe.org/pboddie/?p=2523 Source: fsfe
=> ↺ https://blogs.fsfe.org/pboddie/?p=2523
22:19 TR Bot; On forms of apparent progress Paul Boddie's Free Software-related blog
22:19 TR News; Kevin Fenzi: Onlykey DUO https://www.scrye.com/wordpress/nirik/2022/05/08/onlykey-duo/
=> ↺ https://www.scrye.com/wordpress/nirik/2022/05/08/onlykey-duo/
22:19 TR Bot; Onlykey DUO Kevin's musings
22:23 TR News; The Root Commander is a homemade MIDI controller ensures you never play the wrote note | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/05/08/this-homemade-midi-controller-ensures-you-never-play-the-wrote-note/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking
22:23 TR Bot; The Root Commander is a homemade MIDI controller ensures you never play the wrote note | Arduino Blog
22:28 TR News; CrowPI2: Reviewing the Famous all-in-one STEM Solution Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164611
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164611
22:28 TR Bot; CrowPI2: Reviewing the Famous all-in-one STEM Solution | Tux Machines
22:28 TR News; 4 Major Distros in the History of Linux That Shaped the Linux World Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164612
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164612
22:28 TR Bot; 4 Major Distros in the History of Linux That Shaped the Linux World | Tux Machines
22:30 TR News; mdSilo is an outstanding open-source note-taking app for the active mind https://medevel.com/mdsilo-note/ "mdSilo is released under the GNU Affero General Public License v3.0." Source: medevel
=> ↺ https://medevel.com/mdsilo-note/
22:30 TR Bot; mdSilo is an outstanding open-source note-taking app for the active mind
22:35 TR News; Conflating patents with "innovation" to help the EPO spread mindless propaganda, supportive of an agenda to grant fake patents in bulk https://eindhovennews.com/news/2022/04/eindhoven-continues-to-be-the-innovation-hub/
=> ↺ https://eindhovennews.com/news/2022/04/eindhoven-continues-to-be-the-innovation-hub/
22:35 TR Bot; Eindhoven continues to be the innovation hub - Eindhoven News
22:36 TR News; "On 22 April 2022, the Danish Eastern High Court handed down its decision in yet another dispute concerning applied art and the question of originality and infringement under copyright law." http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2022/05/guest-post-second-time-is-charm-danish.html seems generic to me...
=> ↺ http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2022/05/guest-post-second-time-is-charm-danish.html
22:36 TR Bot; [Guest post] Second time is a charm: Danish design company wins plant box war - The IPKat
22:36 TR News; "My personal music player on Linux is MPD + NCMPCPP but if you want a more contained solution then how about you try out musikcube which even has an android app to control it." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=NNyEfdLWHSU
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=NNyEfdLWHSU
22:37 TR Bot; MusikCube: All In One Player, Library & Streaming - Invidious
22:45 TR News; Linus Torvalds: Linux 5.18-rc6 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164613
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164613
22:45 TR Bot; Linus Torvalds: Linux 5.18-rc6 | Tux Machines
22:45 TR News; Free Software: mdSilo, Greenwash, and Magda Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164614
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164614
22:45 TR Bot; Free Software: mdSilo, Greenwash, and Magda | Tux Machines
22:45 TR News; Devices: ICP, Ardunino, and Canaan/RISC-V Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164615
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164615
22:45 TR Bot; Devices: ICP, Ardunino, and Canaan/RISC-V | Tux Machines
22:47 MinceR; https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/s-2
=> ↺ https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/s-2
22:47 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - S
22:51 TR News; Vista 11 is a giant eXPeriment and its users are subjects https://dekisoft.com/amd-driver-crashes-on-windows-11/
=> ↺ https://dekisoft.com/amd-driver-crashes-on-windows-11/
22:51 TR Bot; AMD driver keeps crashing while playing games on Windows 11 - DekiSoft
22:52 TR News; "A quick summary of it is that Jakob managed to implement Derek Sivers's method of staying in touch with hundreds of people[2], by which you categorize people into four levels of importance that dictate how often you should contact them. Sort of like MySpace's top friends feature but even more punishing." gemini://envs.net/~negatethis/response-to-greenfeld.gmi
=> ↺ gemini://envs.net/~negatethis/response-to-greenfeld.gmi
22:54 TR News; "But to be honest, the cool thing about Gemini has always been implementing stuff, not the content itself. I guess many people feel the same way." gemini://hannuhartikainen.fi/twinlog/2021-01-06_away.gemini
=> ↺ gemini://hannuhartikainen.fi/twinlog/2021-01-06_away.gemini
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.01 k/sec., IPFS upstream 6.50 average k/sec., average swarm size 403.83
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23:01 SomeH4x0r; hi
23:01 matey; hi
23:02 TR News; "when I typed into google "weather s" it gave me the weather south of me" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi while registering what was on your mind, which is a "side purpose" of Gulag
=> ↺ gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
23:03 DaemonFC; Wow. 10,000 people have seen my review of the Battery Asshole.
23:04 DaemonFC; That's only been up for a few weeks.
23:05 matey; thatll teach him
23:06 matey; gnu+linux, meet battery+arsehole
23:06 bnchs; lol "seen"
23:06 bnchs; as if what's their definition of seen
23:07 DaemonFC; "What's the matter, bitch? Why aren't you laughing?"
23:07 *Skywave has quit (connection closed)
23:07 DaemonFC; "Because there's nothing funny about a dickless moron with a battery up his ass!"
23:07 *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@4ebk9724jjdmq.irc) has joined #techrights
23:08 matey; /me thinks the stores reputation might "diehard"
23:08 DaemonFC; with a vengeance
23:10 matey; yipee ki yyippee ki yay, motherfucker
23:10 matey; my keyboards getting too old for this shit
23:13 DaemonFC; Well, at least they solved for how to get 90 blocks in half an hour in New York City.
23:14 matey; fair enough
23:15 DaemonFC; They left a gold bar worth $100,000 in the back of a Yugo.
23:15 DaemonFC; Another great moment.
23:16 matey; /me wonders what the gdp of yugoslavia was that year
23:18 DaemonFC; Well, the movie came out in 1995.
23:19 TR News; Links 08/05/2022: A Look at CrowPI2 and Release of Linux 5.18 RC6 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/08/release-of-linux-5-18-rc6/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/08/release-of-linux-5-18-rc6/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/05/08/release-of-linux-5-18-rc6/
=> gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/08/release-of-linux-5-18-rc6/
23:19 TR Bot; Links 08/05/2022: A Look at CrowPI2 and Release of Linux 5.18 RC6 | Techrights
23:20 DaemonFC; Hyperinflation was rampant between 1992-1994.
23:20 DaemonFC; Probably about as much as a Yugo.
23:20 DaemonFC; Which is where we'll be if Biden is in there much longer.
23:21 DaemonFC; Countries tend to experience Hyperinflation right before one of three things happens.
23:21 DaemonFC; A political revolution, a violent overthrow, or the country breaking up into several successor states.
23:22 matey; so 100,000 would be about 5 times the gdp of yugoslavia around that time
23:22 matey; a little less
23:23 matey; and how far do you think the usa is from hyperinflation?
23:23 DaemonFC; The BLS says it's 9.68% on an annual basis right now.
23:23 bnchs; i found a old emacs script from 1988
23:23 DaemonFC; Of course, the government has every reason to lie.
23:24 DaemonFC; If they lie and say it's lower, then benefit payments grow more slowly and taxes go up.
23:24 matey; /me found an old command shell from the 1970s
23:24 matey; "if" they lie
23:25 AdmFubar; https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/06/disney-is-still-trying-to-avoid-paying-its-writers/
=> ↺ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/06/disney-is-still-trying-to-avoid-paying-its-writers/
23:25 TR Bot; Is Still Trying To Avoid Paying Its Writers | Techdirt
23:25 bnchs; lol
23:25 bnchs; the same old disney
23:26 matey; /me found a curry that makes a certain beer taste like donuts
23:26 matey; ill be back in a week.
23:26 MinceR; https://hugelolcdn.com/i/827089.jpg
=> ↺ https://hugelolcdn.com/i/827089.jpg
23:26 bnchs; what happened to the old adult swim classics
23:26 MinceR; miraculin curry?
23:27 matey; its got thai chili peppers <3
23:27 matey; the ones that are like more impressive peppers except not as impressive and much easier to find
23:27 matey; but the beer is belgian style or something
23:27 matey; and if you eat the curry and drink the beer, the beer tastes like donuts
23:28 matey; i dont even know why, i refuse to question it
23:29 matey; the last time i went to a krispy kreme it was in washington dc though
23:29 matey; this is nearly as good
23:30 matey; /me doesnt know why they call it that, roughly zero of their donuts are crispy
23:31 matey; crispy donuts probably wouldnt be huge sellers, but i dont pretend to know what the market really wants
23:31 matey; they all have smartphones, ergo they are crazy
23:32 matey; if its a crispy donut you want, i recommend a stroopwaffel
23:33 matey; which i always assume was the forces hitler sent in to take over bakeries, but whatever
23:33 matey; "mein fuhrer, the bakeries are all plotting against us" "send in the stroopwaffel"
23:33 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164616
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164616
23:33 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
23:33 matey; "ja wohl"
23:33 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164617
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164617
23:33 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
23:34 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164618
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164618
23:34 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
23:34 DaemonFC; No no no.
23:34 DaemonFC; It's "Mein Fuhrer, Steiner.....".
23:34 DaemonFC; "The bakeries are plotting against us...."
23:34 matey; the director loves the hitler reacts videos
23:34 DaemonFC; They explain nervously how bad the situation is.
23:34 matey; of the original
23:34 DaemonFC; Hitler goes crazy.
23:34 matey; hehehe
23:35 DaemonFC; Demands the stroopwafel.
23:35 matey; :D
23:35 DaemonFC; Blames the SS that they don't have any.
23:35 DaemonFC; Shoots himself in the head.
23:35 matey; "mein fuhrer... steiner... he ate the last stroopwaffel"
23:35 DaemonFC; "FUCK!!!!!"
23:36 matey; "IVE BEEN CRAVING STROOPWAFFELS ALL WEEK!"
23:36 matey; woman cries "dont worry, i know a place we can buy more of them"
23:37 matey; /me wonders if theyll still make new hitler reacts videos 10 years from now
23:37 DaemonFC; Well, yeah, WEST Germany will have a ton of them due to the Capitalist demand economy while the East Germans will be blowing up their coffee machines wiht 49% coffee packets.
23:37 matey; thank churchhill, it was all his idea
23:38 matey; the way they split things up after the war
23:38 matey; he was a dick
23:39 matey; of course, to be fair
23:39 DaemonFC; Then at the end of the day, when the stroopwafel demand was not as high as it averaged, they'll mark down the day old stroopwafels by half to bring the market demand to stroopwafel equilibrium, and the East Germans will get shot in the back by their own soldiers trying to get at them
23:39 matey; they didnt actually HAVE TO create the fucking stasi
23:39 matey; but it must have seemed like a good idea at the time
23:39 DaemonFC; And that's where Ronald Reagan shouts "Mr. Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!".
23:39 matey; Then at the end of the day, when the stroopwafel demand was not as high as it averaged, they'll mark down the day old stroopwafels by half to bring the market demand <- like they dont do that now
23:40 DaemonFC; "REAGAN SMASH! REAGAN SMAAAAAAASH!"
23:40 matey; seriously, i can walk about two blocks and get you a stroopwaffel thats nearly old enough to vote
23:41 DaemonFC; Capitalism produces more than it anticipates the market needing, because as long as it can reduce costs to clear out a little excess inventory, they're doing better than if they aim low and don't have enough to sell.
23:41 DaemonFC; Communism falls apart because central planning figures that they can dictate what demand will be and what wages are, and then you have black markets.
23:41 matey; someone needs to tell them theyre not twinkies, shelf life isnt the same thing as half life
23:42 matey; im pretty sure the communists anticipated black markets
23:42 DaemonFC; They didn't mind them, at least.
23:42 matey; well the bureaucracy certainly didnt
23:42 DaemonFC; Officially, they didn't tolerate them, but they persisted in part because the politicians themselves ended up shopping there in the end.
23:42 matey; after all, it was the same thing they were doing
23:43 matey; Officially, they didn't tolerate them <- a bit like americas reaction to hitler
23:43 DaemonFC; And if there's a universal truth about politicians, they always manage to end up rich, even in Communist countries, somehow.
23:43 DaemonFC; :)
23:43 DaemonFC; And it's always at the direct expense of the public, but in a "worker's state" you'd expect something more modest.
23:44 DaemonFC; And yet that's not what happens.
23:44 activelow; dvtm is awesome, combined with nnn for example, this fully replaces midnight commander, is modular etc...
23:44 matey; even in Communist countries, somehow. <- as long as rich is a relative thing, politicians taking advantage of their position isnt harder in a communist country as long as the leader is insane
23:44 activelow; dvtm can be bundles into any desired application, such as irc session handling for ii etc.
23:44 activelow; bundled
23:44 matey; And it's always at the direct expense of the public <- corruption generally is
23:44 DaemonFC; Leaders are usually insane.
23:45 matey; its not a requirement, but it certainly happens a lot
23:45 DaemonFC; Because the most insant people are the ones who respond to insane politicians.
23:45 activelow; if i didn't ditch glib, tmux, irssi and various other then i had not bothered with dvtm and not discovered the power of this
23:45 DaemonFC; Until things spiral so far out of control that more moderate people can't take it anymore, and they vote based on who sounds more reasonable.
23:45 DaemonFC; So it tends to go crazy, more normal, crazy, more normal, and so on.
23:45 matey; which is too easy to fake in a crisis
23:46 matey; just dont give a damn, and say whatever people obviously want to hear
23:46 matey; any sociopath can do it
23:46 matey; vote for marisol
23:47 matey; "an airpod on every table"
23:47 DaemonFC; I'm considering wearing a VOTE SAXON button to the polls this year.
23:47 DaemonFC; And seeing if anyone there even realizes what that is or thinks I'm politicking.
23:49 schestowitz; https://diaspora.psyco.fr/posts/8529551#e6322630ac8f013a5e8628a1592b385a
=> ↺ https://diaspora.psyco.fr/posts/8529551#e6322630ac8f013a5e8628a1592b385a
23:49 schestowitz; "Snap is a PITA. It is better changing distro (Debian, Trisquel, Fedora, Opensuse, Mageia)."
23:49 TR Bot; Ubuntu Cinnamon 22.04 -- A great 22.04 release! http://www.tuxmachi...
23:54 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=gssXrqIH2aY
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=gssXrqIH2aY
23:54 TR Bot; Kelloggs SCP83 1983 Snap Crackle Pop - Invidious
23:57 matey; i can see why jesus didnt bother coming back
23:57 matey; just this recording is reason enough to stay home
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