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04:13 schestowitz; 1493035965274894336 #nitter | more in http://schestowitz.com/2022/02/14/#latest
=> ↺ http://schestowitz.com/2022/02/14/#latest
04:13 schestowitz; [23:50] Nat is afraid of you talking
04:13 schestowitz; [23:50] so he blocked you
04:13 schestowitz; [23:50] Miguel wrote about me at least twice yesterday
04:13 schestowitz; [23:50] I never interacted with Nat
04:13 schestowitz; [23:50] Miguel and I were on a radio show at the same time
04:13 schestowitz; [23:50] around 2006
04:13 schestowitz; [23:50] I don't think he cares. I don't think a lot of people care
04:13 schestowitz; [23:51] I've been in tech for xxxxxxx years. The sexual harassment never stops
04:13 schestowitz; [23:51] my wife can tell
04:13 schestowitz; [23:51] like a colleague of mine staring at her
04:13 schestowitz; [23:51] she didn't tell me until years later
04:13 schestowitz; [23:52] oh god, I had an xxxxx year old employee invite me to an orgy when I was xxxx
04:13 schestowitz; [23:52] I got fired of course
04:13 schestowitz; [23:52] Microsoft did the same
04:13 schestowitz; [23:52] sort of
04:13 schestowitz; [23:53] e.g. http://techrights.org/2010/02/07/microsoft-orgies-and-drugs/ and http://techrights.org/2010/01/28/new-microsoft-hooker-scandal/
=> http://techrights.org/2010/02/07/microsoft-orgies-and-drugs/
=> http://techrights.org/2010/01/28/new-microsoft-hooker-scandal/
04:13 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Microsoft Refuses to Comment About (Deny) the Sex Parties, Drug Use | Techrights
04:13 schestowitz; [23:53] well, you've probably seen the Apple website
04:13 schestowitz; [23:53] which site?
04:13 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Microsoft Corporation: Sex, Drugs, and Corruption | Techrights
04:13 schestowitz; [23:55] the one collecting all the harassment stories
04:13 schestowitz; [23:56] I did not see that
04:13 schestowitz; [23:56] https://appletoo.us/
04:13 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-appletoo.us | #AppleToo
04:13 schestowitz; [23:56] looks like they took the stories down
04:13 schestowitz; [23:57] https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik she's been pretty vocal
=> ↺ https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik
04:13 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 400 @ https://mobile.twitter.com/ashleygjovik )
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04:13 schestowitz; [23:59] the sad thing is
04:13 schestowitz; [23:59] some people self-vanish
04:13 schestowitz; [23:59] I had such a case last week
04:13 schestowitz; [23:59] someone asked not to be named
04:13 schestowitz; [23:59] because of peer pressure
04:13 schestowitz; [00:00] I'm not 100% ready to exit, but I haven't been working and focusing on investments.
04:13 schestowitz; [00:00] It's made the pressure easier
04:13 schestowitz; [00:01] well, this stuff needs daylight
04:13 schestowitz; [00:01] Not sure if they'll let me back in at this point
04:13 schestowitz; [00:01] thank you for relaying so much info
04:13 schestowitz; [00:02] I've just opened my email
04:13 schestowitz; [00:02] I will not respond by email for privacy reasons
04:13 schestowitz; [00:03] understood. glad I found this channel
04:13 schestowitz; [00:05] you might want to get some context
04:13 schestowitz; [00:05] and understand the past of Mono
04:13 schestowitz; [00:06] we wrote 32,000 blog posts almost
04:13 schestowitz; [00:06] it's hard to tidy it all up, the wiki can help a bit
04:14 schestowitz; [00:06] sure, I might see some names I recognize
04:14 schestowitz; [00:08] http://techrights.org/2013/02/09/tombye/ http://techrights.org/2009/05/01/gnote-vs-tomboy-test/
=> http://techrights.org/2013/02/09/tombye/
=> http://techrights.org/2009/05/01/gnote-vs-tomboy-test/
04:14 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Canonical Neglects Tomboy (Mono) | Techrights
04:14 schestowitz; [00:09] http://techrights.org/2009/04/21/tomboy-is-afraid-of-gnote/
=> http://techrights.org/2009/04/21/tomboy-is-afraid-of-gnote/
04:14 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Gnote is a Lot Faster and a Lot Lighter Than Tomboy | Techrights
04:14 schestowitz; [00:09] http://techrights.org/2009/06/02/fedora-removes-mono-dependant/
=> http://techrights.org/2009/06/02/fedora-removes-mono-dependant/
04:14 schestowitz; [00:09] http://techrights.org/2009/04/07/tomboy-on-c-plus-plus/
=> http://techrights.org/2009/04/07/tomboy-on-c-plus-plus/
04:14 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Tomboy is Afraid of Gnote, Its Mono-free Sibling | Techrights
04:14 schestowitz; [00:10] http://techrights.org/2009/04/23/gnote-releases-version-020/
=> http://techrights.org/2009/04/23/gnote-releases-version-020/
04:14 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Red Hat Replaces Tomboy with Gnote, Removes Mono Dependency | Techrights
04:14 schestowitz; [00:10] http://techrights.org/2009/06/12/mono-and-moonlight-winforms/
=> http://techrights.org/2009/06/12/mono-and-moonlight-winforms/
04:14 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Did Tomboy Learn from TomTom? Project Forked, Moves Away from Microsoft Standards | Techrights
04:14 schestowitz; [00:10] and so on
04:14 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Announcement: Mono-Free Tomboy Replacement (Gnote) Releases Version 0.2.0 | Techrights
04:14 schestowitz; [00:10] oh yeah... I do have this message where Alex calls Tomboy his life's work
04:14 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | In Fedora, Tomboy and Banshee Depend on Winforms | Techrights
04:14 schestowitz; [00:10] those are old
04:14 schestowitz; [00:10] the site was a lot younger back then
04:14 schestowitz; [00:10] now we do deeper investigations
04:14 schestowitz; [00:10] seems like Friedman set him him for richness
04:14 schestowitz; [00:11] by funnelling Microsoft shareholders' money
04:14 schestowitz; [00:11] make this company
04:14 schestowitz; [00:11] do this thing
04:14 schestowitz; [00:11] I will tell my bosses (CEO of a 'slave' company of Microsoft)
04:14 schestowitz; [00:11] and we'll give you lots of shares
04:14 schestowitz; [00:11] maybe securities fraud
04:14 schestowitz; [00:11] he instructs the employer to pay an old mate
04:14 schestowitz; [00:12] "Or the times I was robbed of my lifes work and the millions of dollars that went with it?"
04:14 schestowitz; [00:12] tomboy as software is junk
04:14 schestowitz; [00:12] nothing special about it
04:14 schestowitz; [00:12] which makes sense
04:14 schestowitz; [00:12] high school dropout
04:14 schestowitz; [00:12] "I know pain. I know it real well."
04:14 schestowitz; [00:12] I've seen his code
04:14 schestowitz; [00:13] very procedural
04:14 schestowitz; [00:13] gnote rewroite it in beter language
04:14 schestowitz; [00:13] he mocks you gfor JS
04:14 schestowitz; [00:13] like Mono is something special
04:14 schestowitz; [00:13] it's crap
04:14 schestowitz; [00:13] I'm a solid programmer
04:14 schestowitz; [00:13] I have other ambitions
04:14 schestowitz; [00:14] his whole program was RE-written as a hobby
04:14 schestowitz; [00:14] in C++
04:14 schestowitz; [00:14] and then it run MUCH faster
04:14 schestowitz; [00:14] details in the above links
04:14 schestowitz; [00:14] "He is so insecure" "Full of doubts and strong opinions" "Fun to be around, but also very self destructive"
04:14 schestowitz; [00:14] -Miguel on Alex
04:15 schestowitz; [00:15] ha
04:15 schestowitz; [00:15] "Please ignore his angry rants. Nobody is a real@programmer, he is trying to hurt you"
04:15 schestowitz; [00:15] re " I've sent you an email regarding Nat Friedman. I'd love to discuss it with you. "
04:15 schestowitz; [00:15] It's controlled by Microsoft
04:15 schestowitz; [00:15] like many women, I write easy to read code that is well organized and get underestimated for it
04:15 schestowitz; [00:16] any interaction on their platform will be leveraged by them
04:15 schestowitz; [00:16] they spy on me
04:15 schestowitz; [00:16] email and "social" (control) media works against its users
04:15 schestowitz; [00:16] yeah, I saw you said you don't use linkedin after
04:15 schestowitz; [00:17] some find out when it's too late to undo
04:15 schestowitz; [00:18] Based on his code, Alex is the kind of engineer that doesn't understand easy to read doesn't mean it's simple
04:15 schestowitz; [00:18] yeah
04:15 schestowitz; [00:18] like I said, sse what "fig" did
04:15 schestowitz; [00:19] he rewrote the whole program
04:15 schestowitz; [00:19] in another language
04:15 schestowitz; [00:19] C++
04:15 schestowitz; [00:19] the technical improvements were vast
04:15 schestowitz; [00:19] alex is insecure but (now) well connected
04:15 schestowitz; [00:19] I suspect that Alex and Nat share darker secrets
04:15 schestowitz; [00:20] ask around
04:15 schestowitz; [00:20] they know my name
04:15 schestowitz; [00:21] and would not divulge any info to me
04:15 schestowitz; [00:21] miguel might
04:15 schestowitz; [00:22] I don't even understand why Alex is working. His net worth in BTC is around $200m
04:15 schestowitz; [00:22] if that was at all the truth
04:15 schestowitz; [00:26] it's fake
04:15 schestowitz; [00:27] I always laugh at those
04:15 schestowitz; [00:36] seemed reasonable. I'm not special and have some
04:15 schestowitz; [00:37] I know this other guy that's living in a bus and is secretly quite wealthy from crypto
04:15 schestowitz; [00:37] I've known him longer and he has no reason to lie to me about it b/c he's gay
04:15 schestowitz; [00:38] But in regards to Github, the Github hate community has already been in touch on twitter
04:15 schestowitz; [00:38] mostly in regard to the ICE stuff
04:15 schestowitz; [00:48] back with coffee
04:15 schestowitz; [00:49] GitHub does worse than ICE
04:15 schestowitz; [00:49] Also see http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/
=> http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/
04:15 schestowitz; [00:50] daemonfc is gay btw
04:15 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights
04:15 schestowitz; [00:50] just to add some context in there...
04:15 schestowitz; [00:56] ok lol
04:15 schestowitz; [00:56] otherwise you might find him offensive, without knowing this...
04:15 schestowitz; [00:57] he helped us a low when we exposed the Gates home arrest
04:16 schestowitz; [00:57] maybe you never heard that
04:16 schestowitz; [00:57] media suppressed that
04:16 schestowitz; [00:57] yeah something with some prostitutes
04:16 schestowitz; [00:57] we got 2,900 pages from Seattle Police
04:16 schestowitz; [00:57] no, arrest for pedophilia
04:16 schestowitz; [00:58] I saw something about it when the divorce was in the news
04:16 schestowitz; [00:58] oh... ok
04:16 schestowitz; [00:58] interesting
04:16 schestowitz; [00:58] one of dozens of parts: http://techrights.org/2020/08/06/gates-eng-police-search/
=> http://techrights.org/2020/08/06/gates-eng-police-search/
04:16 schestowitz; [00:58] we have all the police records
04:16 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Release: Several Police Reports About Searching the Home of Bill Gates Engineer (Stockpiles of Child Pornography Found Along With Illegal Firearm) | Techrights
04:16 schestowitz; [00:58] That clip of him squirming in an interview when someone asked him about meeting with Epstein
04:16 schestowitz; [00:59] ""
04:16 schestowitz; [00:59] more recent: http://techrights.org/wiki/Gates_Foundation_Critique#2021
=> http://techrights.org/wiki/Gates_Foundation_Critique#2021
04:16 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights
04:16 schestowitz; [00:59] "well, he's dead" folds hands sheepishly
04:16 schestowitz; [00:59] he might be next in line for FBI after 'prince' Andrew
04:16 schestowitz; [01:00] reports said he had fainted
04:16 schestowitz; [01:00] when this came out https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html
=> ↺ https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html
04:16 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.nytimes.com | Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York Times
04:16 schestowitz; [01:00] it's also when his wife approached the divorce lawyers
04:16 schestowitz; [01:00] they use RMS as a decoy:
04:16 schestowitz; [01:00] http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/
=> http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/
04:16 schestowitz; [01:01] http://techrights.org/2020/07/16/gates-press-sunset/
=> http://techrights.org/2020/07/16/gates-press-sunset/
04:16 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Mansion of Pedophilia Part II: Dr. Stallman Defamed in the Media One Day After Request Made for King County Sheriffs Office to Divulge Information About Pedophilia in Home of Bill Gates | Techrights
04:16 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | The Gates Press (GatesGate) Part VI: Sunsetting for Now | Techrights
04:16 schestowitz; [01:01] media suppression example
04:16 schestowitz; [01:02] I know my twitter writing is terrible, but this thread might be helpful [...]
04:16 schestowitz; [01:05] it just makes me said that the only joy in life these people have is exploiting others
04:16 schestowitz; [01:06] ewwww
04:16 schestowitz; [01:07] yeah...it's hard to explain how I let all this slide
04:16 schestowitz; [01:08] the nature of gaslighting
04:16 schestowitz; [01:08] yeah
04:16 schestowitz; [01:08] this isn't some sort of racist group is it?
04:16 schestowitz; [01:08] I'm all for open source stuff, but I'm not into this reverse racism stuff
04:16 schestowitz; [01:09] daemonfc?
04:16 schestowitz; [01:09] he's a league of his own and I constantly tell him not to do it
04:16 schestowitz; [01:09] he thinks his gayness makes it acceptable
04:16 schestowitz; [01:09] him and Alex have something in common
04:16 schestowitz; [01:09] many of us put him on mute
04:16 schestowitz; [01:10] inclduing me
04:16 schestowitz; [01:11] when you get to use a native irc client, mute him
04:16 schestowitz; [01:11] yes lol
04:16 schestowitz; [01:11] we only censor if people make threats
04:16 schestowitz; [01:11] which is rare
04:17 schestowitz; [01:12] that's our policy
04:17 schestowitz; [01:12] notice nobody replies to him
04:17 schestowitz; [01:12] I will say Alex and I got into this bizarre debate about what it means to be a libertarian
04:17 schestowitz; [01:13] ah...libertarians...
04:17 schestowitz; [01:13] a bit of a cult
04:17 schestowitz; [01:13] macho and pseudo-machos
04:17 schestowitz; [01:13] I have some of my own origin story there, but I've distanced myself from the label
04:17 schestowitz; [01:13] in a moment I'll wash away the nonsense from ryan (daemon)
04:17 schestowitz; [01:14] I finish my work shift in 2 mins
04:17 schestowitz; [01:14] anyways, Nat also considers himself a libertarian
04:17 schestowitz; [01:15] he tweets about Austrian econ sometimes
04:17 schestowitz; [01:15] I suspect he's related to the seasteading guy Patri Friedman
04:17 schestowitz; [01:16] but Alex thinks that being a libertarian means you can say whatever you want and nobody can get offended
04:17 schestowitz; [01:16] and getting offending is a free speech restriction
04:17 schestowitz; [01:17] Austrians do have a reputation for this
04:17 schestowitz; [01:17] Mises etc.
04:17 schestowitz; [01:17] Kinsella is one that I follow
04:17 schestowitz; [01:17] but some are too k00ky to me
04:17 schestowitz; [01:17] scapegoating "big gov"
04:17 schestowitz; [01:17] yeah... but those guys are all polite
04:17 schestowitz; [01:17] I still trust govs more than corporations
04:17 schestowitz; [01:17] or corporations-dominated govs
04:17 schestowitz; [01:18] generally. some are assholes
04:17 schestowitz; [01:18] you cannot vote out corporations
04:17 schestowitz; [01:18] can you vote out politicians?
04:17 schestowitz; [01:18] sometimes
04:17 schestowitz; [01:18] who enforces the patents?
04:17 schestowitz; [01:21] I hardly care anymore. I mostly just want to be able to live my life without someone trying to ruin me because I won't fuck them
04:17 schestowitz; [01:22] hacker culture in the coding sense focuses more on engineering
04:17 schestowitz; [01:22] sounds like alex was just a nutjob of sorts
04:17 schestowitz; [01:23] so he compensated with connection and faking it "till you make it"
04:17 schestowitz; [01:23] like the bitcoin charlatan thing
04:17 schestowitz; [01:23] regarding patents, we write a lot on this subject
04:17 schestowitz; [01:24] as impediment to all programmers
04:17 schestowitz; [01:24] not just free software coders
04:17 schestowitz; [01:24] I'm familiar with Kinsella's writings on the matter
04:17 schestowitz; [01:24] ah, good
04:17 schestowitz; [01:24] I follow his blog, he knows me...
04:17 schestowitz; [01:25] but he became less relevant in recent years
04:17 schestowitz; [01:25] but libertarian spaces are not for women or POC
04:18 schestowitz; [01:25] frankly, the racists got a lot louder about 8 years ago
04:18 schestowitz; [01:25] http://techrights.org/2010/05/15/stephan-kinsella-on-swpats/ http://techrights.org/2010/06/19/against-ipr/
=> http://techrights.org/2010/05/15/stephan-kinsella-on-swpats/
=> http://techrights.org/2010/06/19/against-ipr/
04:18 schestowitz; [01:26] yes, racists became "Great Again"
04:18 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Famous IP Lawyer Argues Against Patent and Copyright Law (Video) | Techrights
04:18 schestowitz; [01:26] and then racist corporations started pretending to be "Woke"
04:18 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Stephan Kinsella: The Case Against Intellectual Property Rights | Techrights
04:18 schestowitz; [01:26] while employing predators
04:18 schestowitz; [01:26] yep
04:18 schestowitz; [01:26] I'm kind of noticing a trend
04:18 schestowitz; [01:27] seems like POC and being pitted against "white women"
04:18 schestowitz; [01:27] white women are enemy #1 right now
04:18 schestowitz; [01:27] it kind of looks like a disinformation campaign
04:18 schestowitz; [01:28] not just white
04:18 schestowitz; [01:28] like a white woman using her privilege to hurt a POC is one thing
04:18 schestowitz; [01:29] But I keep hearing this theme that white women basically need to shut up about feminism until WOC have rights
04:18 schestowitz; [01:29] btw
04:18 schestowitz; [01:29] we wrote many things about those issues as well
04:18 schestowitz; [01:30] it's a partisan and polarity issue
04:18 schestowitz; [01:30] in rotting society, sectarian conflict is a thing
04:18 schestowitz; [01:30] FB and Twitter inflame that
04:18 schestowitz; [01:31] yeah... like the chapelle vs transwomen thing seems like a distraction
04:18 schestowitz; [01:31] the special was bad. and he's wrong
04:18 schestowitz; [01:32] yesterday I saw them weaponising these things against us
04:18 schestowitz; [01:32] because someone in the channel mentioned it
04:18 schestowitz; [01:32] I think daemon
04:18 schestowitz; [01:32] and then miguel et al try to latch onto it to call us names
04:18 schestowitz; [01:33] armchair activist that one
04:18 schestowitz; [01:33] who? miguel?
04:18 schestowitz; [01:33] miguel
04:18 schestowitz; [01:33] opportunists who stabbed many backs
04:18 schestowitz; [01:33] for personal gain
04:18 schestowitz; [01:34] but yeah, I think Chapelle and transwomen have a common enemy
04:18 schestowitz; [01:35] it's a bunch of disenfranchised groups fight over for the one chair on the table that's not reserved for white men
04:18 schestowitz; [01:35] and depending on the table the connected white men
04:18 schestowitz; [01:36] it's so weird a controversy to me
04:18 schestowitz; [01:36] OWS is activism
04:18 schestowitz; [01:36] this drama over a comedy skit? sigh.
04:18 schestowitz; [01:37] Twitter props up phony issues
04:18 schestowitz; [01:39] oh god, looking for the tweets you mentioned and someone's accusing Miguel of being in the closet
04:18 schestowitz; [01:40] someone said this to me 15 years ago
04:18 schestowitz; [01:40] not that I care
04:18 schestowitz; [01:40] it's unrelated
04:19 schestowitz; [01:41] his abuses are the focus
04:19 schestowitz; [01:41] yeah, seems petty
04:19 schestowitz; [01:41] also unfair to gay people
04:19 schestowitz; [01:41] when it's used as an insult
04:19 schestowitz; [01:41] and likely false imo
04:19 schestowitz; [01:42] the only reason I brought Alex's comments up was he used it as a defense for saying something hurtful to lesbian friends of mine
04:19 schestowitz; [01:45] :(
04:19 schestowitz; [01:46] but, yeah... Miguel is very performative and it's annoying.
04:19 schestowitz; [01:47] I don't think Nat pretends to care about human rights unless his employees are upset
04:19 schestowitz; [01:51] grew up with money
04:19 schestowitz; [01:51] learned to make more money
04:19 schestowitz; [01:51] c.f. bill gates
04:19 schestowitz; [01:51] Miguel is a class/career climber
04:19 schestowitz; [01:51] social climber also
04:19 schestowitz; [01:54] yeah... if Alex was ever honest with me at all, he seemed a bit envious of the world outside of that circle
04:19 schestowitz; [01:55] because he's essentially a loser in that group
04:19 schestowitz; [01:55] we went and looked at the Porsche 9/11 and he almost let out tears over not being able to afford it
04:19 schestowitz; [01:56] btc was like 3K at the time. I was always super confused about his money situation
04:19 schestowitz; [01:56] he had the fake mastercard blackcard
04:19 schestowitz; [01:57] it's like $500 annual fee. I could have one if I felt like wasting money
04:19 schestowitz; [01:58] some things he said, it sounded like they would bully him for dating someone like me seriously. it's very weird brand of toxic masculinity
04:19 DaemonFC; schestowitz, Maybe they should mention to Miguel that they pretty much disappeared Hispanic/Latino people in the Super Bowl ads this year, as well as Asians.
04:19 schestowitz; [01:59] I don't think Miguel personally feels that way but he looks the other way to fit in
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04:19 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-mibbit.com | Mibbit.com - Easy and fast Webchat in your browser
04:19 schestowitz; [02:54] Hi, it's tomboy's ex again. I'm done for the night but thanks for hearing what I have to say. Personal ethics + exploiting software patents to concentrate power is a noble cause, and i get it.
04:19 schestowitz; [02:54] thanks for returning
04:19 schestowitz; [02:54] I thought I may have said something offensive
04:19 schestowitz; [02:55] I finished my work shift
04:19 schestowitz; [02:55] Closed my tab accidentally
04:19 schestowitz; [02:55] didn't end up recording the video about switzerland
04:19 schestowitz; [02:55] I don't think I've found anything offensive about techrights yet[02:56] I do worry because freedom oriented spaces tend to tolerate bigotry and misogyny [02:56] there are subtle way to handle these
04:19 schestowitz; [02:56] within crushing people
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04:20 DaemonFC; Nobody white, Hispanic, or Asian buys insurance or cars or opens credit card accounts anymore, or buys furniture, or goes on vacation, since 2020.
04:20 DaemonFC; It's amazing, really.
04:21 DaemonFC; We don't even drink soda. We've stopped cold.
04:21 DaemonFC; It's amusing because if you know any Mexicans, you know how they knock back Cokes like it's going out of style.
04:21 DaemonFC; Yet, they've been deleted from Coke and Pepsi ads.
04:22 schestowitz; hmmm...
04:22 schestowitz; but wait
04:22 schestowitz; is this about race or class?
04:22 schestowitz; not the same thing
04:22 schestowitz; after the pandemic, which has not stopped BTW (!), we've not gone out much
04:23 schestowitz; no gym, not much reason to hang out
04:23 schestowitz; and masks make it less fun and things don't feel as safe anymore
04:24 DaemonFC; The only things we do spend much money on anymore are healthcare, rent, utilities, car repair, insurance, and legal bills.
04:27 DaemonFC; The cat will have an expensive vet bill coming up.
04:27 DaemonFC; That dental cleaning and while she's under, I'm going to have them take that cyst off.
04:28 DaemonFC; We're pretty sure it's just a cyst, but I want to have it removed now when it's just a "small growth".
04:28 DaemonFC; Rather than find out it's something nasty and aggressive later.
04:39 schestowitz; I see...
04:39 schestowitz; well, that's a health bill
04:40 schestowitz; not sure if they do pet insurance there
04:40 schestowitz; if you have fish you wouldn't go to a vet
04:40 schestowitz; unless it is a very special and dear fish
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14:08 schestowitz; x https://www.pcworld.com/article/435332/the-4-reasons-i-switched-from-google-to-bing.html
=> ↺ https://www.pcworld.com/article/435332/the-4-reasons-i-switched-from-google-to-bing.html
14:08 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.pcworld.com | How and why to switch from Google to Bing | PCWorld
14:10 schestowitz; x https://variety.com/vip/what-ma-game-should-tech-giants-hunt-following-microsofts-moves-1235178038/
14:10 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-variety.com | What M&A Game Should Tech Giants Hunt Following Microsoft's Moves? - Variety
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19:47 schestowitz; "
19:47 schestowitz; Thanks Dennis, roy, Fla, Lukas and all involved. :)
19:47 schestowitz; Fla
19:47 schestowitz; Fla - about 6 hours ago
19:47 schestowitz; @Doc Edward Morbius (defunct account) @Dr. Roy Schestowitz () guys, seriously?! Okay, Im usually the kind of nice guy, trying to understand others, being always polite etc. But wth are you doing right now? Its the very first time since 12 years that Im using diaspora* that Im actually about to loose my calm.
19:47 schestowitz; Why are you writing things like "The bottom line is, weve quite likely found a new podadmin ", even worse, publicly?!
19:47 schestowitz; Where on earth did you read that Denis would take over joindiaspora? He wont, and joindiaspora will be closed, as planned. What the foundation (not only Denis, stop pointing one person when were a community) is offering right now, is to help Lukas fixing the bad state of joindiaspora so that exports can be made. As you understand from the discussion above, the state is so bad that it will take more that 15 days to do this, this is why Dennis
19:47 schestowitz; said the closing wont be the 1st March. He is not saying at all that the close wont happen, nor that he is taking over as the new podmin.
19:47 schestowitz; Seriously, you guys are pushing everyone to the limits right now Why are you speculating on everything?
19:47 schestowitz; Fla
19:47 schestowitz; Fla - about 6 hours ago
19:47 schestowitz; Just to be clear, because Denis indeed proposed 3 years ago to take over joindiaspora: this offer isnt valid anymore.
19:47 schestowitz; Fla
19:47 schestowitz; Fla - about 6 hours ago
19:47 schestowitz; @Doc Edward Morbius (defunct account) The change log is usually only for users, if you need more technical information check on github: https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/releases/tag/v0.7.16.0
=> ↺ https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/releases/tag/v0.7.16.0
19:47 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-github.com | Release diaspora* 0.7.16.0 diaspora/diaspora GitHub
19:47 schestowitz; The changes to the format of the archive include the removal of the chat_enabled info, and the addition of blocked users ;)
19:47 schestowitz; Salinger 3
19:47 schestowitz; Salinger 3 - about 4 hours ago
19:47 schestowitz; Merci pour la clarificationHope they could fix it.
19:47 schestowitz; Doc Edward Morbius
19:47 schestowitz; Doc Edward Morbius - about 2 hours ago
19:47 schestowitz; @Fla Please note that youve been tagging my old account (on Joindiaspora). Im generally using diaspora.glasswings.com these days. (Which Im using to write this.) Thats dredmorbius@diaspora.glasswings.com. Youll find acknowledgement of this move at my @Doc Edward Morbius (defunct account) (Joindiaspora) account user page.
19:47 schestowitz; Your point on whos committed to what is well taken. Id not made the claim in question.
19:47 schestowitz; Claritiy in communications and not making inaccurate or unsupported claims is a large part of what Im advocating from those involved here, and is why Ive been calling strongly for clear and regular statements as to status, even where that status is unknown.
19:47 schestowitz; "Crisis communications" is a A Thing. Principles apply, even to Free Software and Federated Social Network projects.
19:47 schestowitz; Doc Edward Morbius
19:47 schestowitz; Doc Edward Morbius - about 2 hours ago
19:47 schestowitz; @Fla @Dennis Schubert Theres a good nutshell guide to crisis communications in the sense I have in mind in this January 2022 interview with Zeynep Tufekci on pandemics as a communications emergency (NY Times). Edting lightly for clarity:
19:48 schestowitz; [A] pandemic is a communication emergency. You have to be right. You have to be first. You have to be credible. [Y]ou have to be out there with the information and you have to be right about it. [That] could be we dont know. [The] idea is not that you [provide] false comfort to people. You say, all right, we got Omicron. It looks like antibody evading could probably cause breakthroughs. We dont know about severity. But here
19:48 schestowitz; s what we need to do for the three different possibilities
19:48 schestowitz; Those principles largely apply here:
19:48 schestowitz; Provide regular updates.
19:48 schestowitz; Provide accurate information.
19:48 schestowitz; Address specific concerns.
19:48 schestowitz; If the answer is we dont know, then say we dont know.
19:48 schestowitz; Id suggest that the goal here should be for people to plan and execute effectively:
19:48 schestowitz; Will I be able to continue using JoindiasporaCom? THE SAFEST ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION NOW IS NO, YOU CANNOT.
19:48 schestowitz; Related: who will take over the Pod if it is to continue operation? Presently: nobody.
19:48 schestowitz; If not, when should I move off the pod? THE SAFEST ANSWER IS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
19:48 schestowitz; How do I export my data? Use the Profile Settings /user/edit link.
19:48 schestowitz; If I am unable to export my data, what assistance process is there? PRESENTLY: NONE.
19:48 schestowitz; Will there be an attempt to publicly archive JoindiasporaCom? Ive tried to alert the ArchiveTeam about this, Ive yet to hear back. Theyd be interested in tools for effectively spidering the entire site, and potential pitfalls which might occur.
19:48 schestowitz; What happens to old content, and will it remain visible where its been federated, and interactive (new likes, comments, reshares) or not? Im unsure of this, though suspect non-deleted data will remain visible but cannot be interacted with.
19:48 schestowitz; Based on the recent-actives, Im presuming that roughly 500 1,000 profiles are likely of interest to be preserved, though that count might go higher. Im presuming that most of the 300k or so accounts never had appreciable traffic. Some groups, such as the Internet Archive and Archive Team take a preserve everything approach, my own philosophy is somewhat more pragmatic.
19:48 schestowitz; Theres a question of how the site will respond to heavy spidering, and whether or not a dump of public content and transfer to one of the Internet Archives Collections might be more appropriate. I raise this possibility. Given responses to date I doubt thats in the cards, but Im open to pleasant surprises.
19:48 schestowitz; Ive stated my own actions in my planning comment above.
19:48 schestowitz; I strongly encourage others now on JoindiapsoraCom to do likewise:
19:48 schestowitz; Create a new Diaspora* or Fediverse profile elsewhere, immediately.
19:48 schestowitz; Announce this from your current JoindiasporaCom profile, both in posts and in your profile biography.
19:48 schestowitz; If you can export data, do so. If not hope for the best but anticipate that those data will be lost. (Regular backups and archives are useful for a reason)
19:48 schestowitz; Reconnect with your followers. Thats a fairly manual process, but in most cases goes smoothly.
19:48 schestowitz; Continue on with life.
19:48 schestowitz; On data archival, tools to automate external extracts from Joindiaspora* might prove useful and Ill look into that possibility myself. A challenge is that basic site functionality requires Javascript, so that simple web-scraping approaches dont quite work.
19:48 schestowitz; Tilting at windmills is a great deal of fun, and I engage in this myself. Sometimes we simply need to do the needful, however, and focus on what can be accomplished, and do all we can to accomplish that. Recognise when you must let go of things, and then let go of them.
19:48 schestowitz; Dennis Schubert
19:48 schestowitz; Dennis Schubert - about 2 hours ago
19:48 schestowitz; Folks, chill. The diaspora* projects core team is actively engaging, and we will make sure that nobody will loose access to their data.
19:48 schestowitz; At the moment, there are no details to be announced because were still working things out. We will announce the plans as soon as they are ready. We dont need any help with funding or anything else. If there is any input from yall required, we will explicitly ask for that via a channel you will not miss.
19:48 schestowitz; Dont worry about the March 1st timeline - even if our preparations are not done by then, everything will be fine. Please refrain from spamming Lukas, me, or anyone else. That doesnt make things go any faster.
19:48 schestowitz; Make yourself a hot chocolate or something and relax.
19:48 schestowitz; That is all I have to say at this point in time.
19:48 schestowitz; Stop mentioning me, youre starting to get on my nerves. As I said multiple times already, there will be an update once there is something to update. And as also said multiple times, I am not going to engage in any kind of speculation about what might happen until the team knows what will happen.
19:48 schestowitz; Doc Edward Morbius
19:48 schestowitz; Doc Edward Morbius - 21 minutes ago
19:48 schestowitz; Those who dont care to be mentioned can probably help the situation by not mentioning that they dont care to be mentioned. Were aware youll check back on Saturday, and really, unless something absolutely explodes, that is fine and sufficient.
19:48 schestowitz; They might also consider potential enhancements for Diaspora* itself which make such crisis communications more viable and less annoying.
19:48 schestowitz; This is in fact a crisis, and theres going to be a lot of communication and discussion. Much of it will be noisy. The point is to minimise the pain around this point.
19:48 schestowitz; During the peak of the Google+ exodus, in which I also played an informational role, I was seeing upwards of 200 notifications per site on Diaspora*, Google+, and Reddit, per day. Yeah, that got a bit old.
19:49 schestowitz; My approach was to note (usually in a post to my profile) when Id hit saturation and simply cleared out notifications, declaring notification bankruptcy. I also made heavy use of Diaspora*'s ability to clear by type of notification. Likes, reshares, and comments arent so important, direct mentions I would at least try to take a look.
19:49 schestowitz; I suspect Diaspora*'s design intent is not as a crisis communications tool. Design intent and actual use frequently diverge. See Desire Paths.
19:49 schestowitz; And to be clear: no response is expected or necessary.
19:49 schestowitz; "
19:49 schestowitz; https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896
=> ↺ https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896
19:49 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@podmin@joindiaspora.com: # Hello JoinDiaspora there is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services. JD will also be shut down on 1 March. This is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service. If you think you can handle the task please contact us via hq@feneas.org. You can find the original post below or via https://git.feneas.org/feneas/
=> ↺ https://git.feneas.org/feneas/
19:49 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt master Feneas / association GitLab
19:49 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt master Feneas / association GitLab
19:49 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> git.feneas.org | Feneas GitLab
19:50 schestowitz; Tony MacDonell (@tmtek): ""Most Tweeters don't post things like this"??? Which dataset is this AI working off of? All I see is posts like this on here =)" | nitter https://nitter.eu/tmtek/status/1493614411180920835 #nitter | more in http://schestowitz.com/2022/02/15/#latest
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19:50 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-nitter.eu | Tony MacDonell (@tmtek): ""Most Tweeters don't post things like this"??? Which dataset is this AI working off of? All I see is posts like this on here =)" | nitter
19:50 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts
19:52 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/Gonzalo_VC23/status/1493292523552452617
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19:52 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Gonzalo_VC23: @schestowitz Money ruins everything
19:52 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/JamesSm28954246/status/1493431817617043462
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19:52 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@JamesSm28954246: @schestowitz Biden is a neo-con and his backers need a justification for US military spending now that Afghanistan is over
19:53 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/aral/status/1493478567824576513
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19:53 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@aral: @schestowitz Mozilla is so full of shit.
19:53 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/aral/status/1493479715159658496\
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19:53 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@aral: @schestowitz No shit, Twitter. Tell me something I dont already know. https://t.co/Z9wh6ggNQc
19:53 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@aral: @schestowitz No shit, Twitter. Tell me something I dont already know. https://t.co/Z9wh6ggNQc
19:53 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/lasombra_br/status/1493479964292829188
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19:53 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@lasombra_br: @aral @schestowitz You can only be passive agressive and dish veiled threats. Anything without nuance is out. :)
19:53 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/Scott_Matter/status/1493483769193324549
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19:53 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Scott_Matter: @aral @schestowitz https://t.co/31cTA6CltZ
19:53 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-Failed connect to civility.ai:443; Operation now in progress ( status 0 @ https://civility.ai/ )
19:53 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/alanlangford_ca/status/1493485514732802049
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19:53 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@alanlangford_ca: @aral @schestowitz I bet I can say that Mozilla is full to the brim with excrement and not get a warning...
19:53 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/alanlangford_ca/status/1493485638003396609
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19:53 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@alanlangford_ca: @aral @schestowitz Yup.
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